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Player Spotlight: Laveranues Coles (1 Viewer)

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Jason Wood

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2006 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Laveranues Coles, WR, New York Jets

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All depends on the QB, who will it be, still up in the air. If Pennington can play 10-14 games I think Coles can make a run at 1000 yards, 70 catches and 4-5 TD's easy....

 
Nothing to really like here as of yet. I dont hold any hope for Penny, but if Ramsey can take hold of the job and push the ball downfield, Coles has a good shot at a decent season.

With what we know now, 70-900-5.

 
I'll get back into the swing of things here with a player I'm pretty familiar with.

The Jets ranked 27th in passing yards and 31st in passing TDs last year. In 2004, the Jets ranked 22nd and 22nd; in 2003, 14th and 15th and in 2002, 17th and 10th.

The Jets had all kinds of QB troubles last year, and suffered constant injuries on the line.

Based off all that, it seems like last year's numbers for Coles are a realistic floor -- 73/845/5.

Coles has also played with Ramsey, which is a nice bonus in case Pennington is injured again. It's pretty difficult to figure out what type of offense the Jets will run here, but I'd imagine Schottenheimer will be given full control for running the basic offense. Mangini's obviously a very young guy and is known for his defensive background.

We don't have a ton of information to go on for Schottenheimer. He's been the QB coach for his father the past five years, one in Washington and the past four in San Diego. I'm not sure there's a whole lot in there to figure out what Schottenheimer will do in NY, but he did feature his main target (Conway, Boston, Gates and Gates) quite a bit each year.

Coles is far and away the Jets best offensive player, so I'd expect him to get the lion's share of targets. Coles has averaged over 80 receptions the past four years, and there's no reason that trend should stop now. He's had to deal with some absolutely horrible QBing the past two seasons (the Resdkins averaged 5.6 YPA in 2004, the Jets had just 11 passing TDs last year), which might make people forget how strong a player Coles really is.

80 catches, 1040 yards, 6 TDs

 
75 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs

I certainly think Coles is a good WR but he's screwed by his QB situation IMHO. Pennington's noodle arm isn't going to help him out. After his 1st surgery the guy had to lob the balls and had no velocity on his passes whatsoever. He wasn't strong armed QB to begin with. After seeing what he played like after the 1st surgery, and then enduring a 2nd one inside 8 months, I do not have high expectations for the kid at all. It sucks but it's a part of football. I don't think they're going to move the ball at all with him behind the center. If Ramsey comes in, Coles will do better but I can't say for sure how much better. He hasn't really proven himself to this point. He has played with Coles in the past but I don't think that will give me too much of a head start.

 
75 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs

I certainly think Coles is a good WR but he's screwed by his QB situation IMHO. Pennington's noodle arm isn't going to help him out. After his 1st surgery the guy had to lob the balls and had no velocity on his passes whatsoever. He wasn't strong armed QB to begin with. After seeing what he played like after the 1st surgery, and then enduring a 2nd one inside 8 months, I do not have high expectations for the kid at all. It sucks but it's a part of football. I don't think they're going to move the ball at all with him behind the center. If Ramsey comes in, Coles will do better but I can't say for sure how much better. He hasn't really proven himself to this point. He has played with Coles in the past but I don't think that will give me too much of a head start.
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Hey TKO,Maybe you can help me see what you're thinking here. The Jets didn't lose anyone important on offense this off-season, so I guess I'm wondering if you think the Jets offense will be just as bad if not worse than last year, or if Coles is going to see a smaller share of the pie this year. Obviously you have to think one of those to put Coles at slightly worse than last year's numbers.

 
75 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs

I certainly think Coles is a good WR but he's screwed by his QB situation IMHO. Pennington's noodle arm isn't going to help him out. After his 1st surgery the guy had to lob the balls and had no velocity on his passes whatsoever. He wasn't strong armed QB to begin with. After seeing what he played like after the 1st surgery, and then enduring a 2nd one inside 8 months, I do not have high expectations for the kid at all. It sucks but it's a part of football. I don't think they're going to move the ball at all with him behind the center. If Ramsey comes in, Coles will do better but I can't say for sure how much better. He hasn't really proven himself to this point. He has played with Coles in the past but I don't think that will give me too much of a head start.
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Hey TKO,Maybe you can help me see what you're thinking here. The Jets didn't lose anyone important on offense this off-season, so I guess I'm wondering if you think the Jets offense will be just as bad if not worse than last year, or if Coles is going to see a smaller share of the pie this year. Obviously you have to think one of those to put Coles at slightly worse than last year's numbers.
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My predictions: 75 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs2005 stats: 73 catches, 845 yards, 5 TDs

I got him getting 2 more catches, 20 fewer TDs and 1 less TD compared to last season. Surely he has the ability to post better stats but I think they're going to give Pennington the opening day start and I don't think he can do it anymore. Coles posted 33 combined yards in week 3 and 4 with Pennington throwing to him for 1 game. If you take those games out and do an average, his yards/game would obviously be higher. I have him getting 11 yards a reception, which is pretty much on the mark compared to last year and with Pennington at the helm, there won't be much in the way of stretching the field. IMHO, they're going to be running the ball a lot more if they stick with Chad, thus less passing opportunities. It's hard to project him at this point because we don't know how the QB situation will play out. If Ramsey is starting, my projections will increase substantially, but I honestly don't have any faith in Pennington running the team and I think that directly impacts Coles in a big way. I hope I made it more clear.

 
75 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs

I certainly think Coles is a good WR but he's screwed by his QB situation IMHO. Pennington's noodle arm isn't going to help him out. After his 1st surgery the guy had to lob the balls and had no velocity on his passes whatsoever. He wasn't strong armed QB to begin with. After seeing what he played like after the 1st surgery, and then enduring a 2nd one inside 8 months, I do not have high expectations for the kid at all. It sucks but it's a part of football. I don't think they're going to move the ball at all with him behind the center. If Ramsey comes in, Coles will do better but I can't say for sure how much better. He hasn't really proven himself to this point. He has played with Coles in the past but I don't think that will give me too much of a head start.
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Hey TKO,Maybe you can help me see what you're thinking here. The Jets didn't lose anyone important on offense this off-season, so I guess I'm wondering if you think the Jets offense will be just as bad if not worse than last year, or if Coles is going to see a smaller share of the pie this year. Obviously you have to think one of those to put Coles at slightly worse than last year's numbers.
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My predictions: 75 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs2005 stats: 73 catches, 845 yards, 5 TDs

I got him getting 2 more catches, 20 fewer TDs and 1 less TD compared to last season. Surely he has the ability to post better stats but I think they're going to give Pennington the opening day start and I don't think he can do it anymore. Coles posted 33 combined yards in week 3 and 4 with Pennington throwing to him for 1 game. If you take those games out and do an average, his yards/game would obviously be higher. I have him getting 11 yards a reception, which is pretty much on the mark compared to last year and with Pennington at the helm, there won't be much in the way of stretching the field. IMHO, they're going to be running the ball a lot more if they stick with Chad, thus less passing opportunities. It's hard to project him at this point because we don't know how the QB situation will play out. If Ramsey is starting, my projections will increase substantially, but I honestly don't have any faith in Pennington running the team and I think that directly impacts Coles in a big way. I hope I made it more clear.
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I'm a little confused as to why you looked at Coles' week 3 and 4 stats. Pennington didn't play in week 4, and he was injured in week 3. In the only two complete games for Pennington (weeks 1 and 2), Coles put up 11 catches, 134 yards, and 1 TD.There's no doubt that the Jets QB situation looks bleak this year, but I'd be very surprised if it's worse than in 2005. The Jets ranked 26th in QB Rating, 27th in passing yards and tied for 31st in passing TDs. Coles had 28.2% of the Jets' receiving yards last season, and I don't see that number decreasing. Therefore, as long as the Jets improve on that paltry 2989 passing yards, Coles' numbers will improve.

I haven't made any team projections yet. It's pretty difficult IMO to project any individual player alone, especially since a WR is such a product of his offense. But based on a much better projected supporting cast in 2006, I have a hard time knocking Coles down from his 2005 numbers.

 
75 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs

I certainly think Coles is a good WR but he's screwed by his QB situation IMHO. Pennington's noodle arm isn't going to help him out. After his 1st surgery the guy had to lob the balls and had no velocity on his passes whatsoever. He wasn't strong armed QB to begin with. After seeing what he played like after the 1st surgery, and then enduring a 2nd one inside 8 months, I do not have high expectations for the kid at all. It sucks but it's a part of football. I don't think they're going to move the ball at all with him behind the center. If Ramsey comes in, Coles will do better but I can't say for sure how much better. He hasn't really proven himself to this point. He has played with Coles in the past but I don't think that will give me too much of a head start.
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Hey TKO,Maybe you can help me see what you're thinking here. The Jets didn't lose anyone important on offense this off-season, so I guess I'm wondering if you think the Jets offense will be just as bad if not worse than last year, or if Coles is going to see a smaller share of the pie this year. Obviously you have to think one of those to put Coles at slightly worse than last year's numbers.
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My predictions: 75 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs2005 stats: 73 catches, 845 yards, 5 TDs

I got him getting 2 more catches, 20 fewer TDs and 1 less TD compared to last season. Surely he has the ability to post better stats but I think they're going to give Pennington the opening day start and I don't think he can do it anymore. Coles posted 33 combined yards in week 3 and 4 with Pennington throwing to him for 1 game. If you take those games out and do an average, his yards/game would obviously be higher. I have him getting 11 yards a reception, which is pretty much on the mark compared to last year and with Pennington at the helm, there won't be much in the way of stretching the field. IMHO, they're going to be running the ball a lot more if they stick with Chad, thus less passing opportunities. It's hard to project him at this point because we don't know how the QB situation will play out. If Ramsey is starting, my projections will increase substantially, but I honestly don't have any faith in Pennington running the team and I think that directly impacts Coles in a big way. I hope I made it more clear.
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I'm a little confused as to why you looked at Coles' week 3 and 4 stats. Pennington didn't play in week 4, and he was injured in week 3. In the only two complete games for Pennington (weeks 1 and 2), Coles put up 11 catches, 134 yards, and 1 TD.There's no doubt that the Jets QB situation looks bleak this year, but I'd be very surprised if it's worse than in 2005. The Jets ranked 26th in QB Rating, 27th in passing yards and tied for 31st in passing TDs. Coles had 28.2% of the Jets' receiving yards last season, and I don't see that number decreasing. Therefore, as long as the Jets improve on that paltry 2989 passing yards, Coles' numbers will improve.

I haven't made any team projections yet. It's pretty difficult IMO to project any individual player alone, especially since a WR is such a product of his offense. But based on a much better projected supporting cast in 2006, I have a hard time knocking Coles down from his 2005 numbers.
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Well I brought up those stats because his numbers don't look as good because of them. In week 3 Pennington went down and week 4 the QB shuffle began. Those 2 weeks he posted a combined 33 yards. What I'm saying is if you took out those 2 weeks, he would've been on pace for 77 catches for 928 yards last season. It actually makes my numbers look much lower and the more you question me, the more I look into it deeper and realize with Pennington's injury in week 3 and the QB shuffle throughout the season, that even with Pennington's weak arm, throughout the year he would most likely improve on last year's numbers. That's why I like the feedback without the flaming :) How about 79 catches for 950 yards and 6 TDs.

 
75 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs

I certainly think Coles is a good WR but he's screwed by his QB situation IMHO. Pennington's noodle arm isn't going to help him out. After his 1st surgery the guy had to lob the balls and had no velocity on his passes whatsoever. He wasn't strong armed QB to begin with. After seeing what he played like after the 1st surgery, and then enduring a 2nd one inside 8 months, I do not have high expectations for the kid at all. It sucks but it's a part of football. I don't think they're going to move the ball at all with him behind the center. If Ramsey comes in, Coles will do better but I can't say for sure how much better. He hasn't really proven himself to this point. He has played with Coles in the past but I don't think that will give me too much of a head start.
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Hey TKO,Maybe you can help me see what you're thinking here. The Jets didn't lose anyone important on offense this off-season, so I guess I'm wondering if you think the Jets offense will be just as bad if not worse than last year, or if Coles is going to see a smaller share of the pie this year. Obviously you have to think one of those to put Coles at slightly worse than last year's numbers.
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My predictions: 75 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs2005 stats: 73 catches, 845 yards, 5 TDs

I got him getting 2 more catches, 20 fewer TDs and 1 less TD compared to last season. Surely he has the ability to post better stats but I think they're going to give Pennington the opening day start and I don't think he can do it anymore. Coles posted 33 combined yards in week 3 and 4 with Pennington throwing to him for 1 game. If you take those games out and do an average, his yards/game would obviously be higher. I have him getting 11 yards a reception, which is pretty much on the mark compared to last year and with Pennington at the helm, there won't be much in the way of stretching the field. IMHO, they're going to be running the ball a lot more if they stick with Chad, thus less passing opportunities. It's hard to project him at this point because we don't know how the QB situation will play out. If Ramsey is starting, my projections will increase substantially, but I honestly don't have any faith in Pennington running the team and I think that directly impacts Coles in a big way. I hope I made it more clear.
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I'm a little confused as to why you looked at Coles' week 3 and 4 stats. Pennington didn't play in week 4, and he was injured in week 3. In the only two complete games for Pennington (weeks 1 and 2), Coles put up 11 catches, 134 yards, and 1 TD.There's no doubt that the Jets QB situation looks bleak this year, but I'd be very surprised if it's worse than in 2005. The Jets ranked 26th in QB Rating, 27th in passing yards and tied for 31st in passing TDs. Coles had 28.2% of the Jets' receiving yards last season, and I don't see that number decreasing. Therefore, as long as the Jets improve on that paltry 2989 passing yards, Coles' numbers will improve.

I haven't made any team projections yet. It's pretty difficult IMO to project any individual player alone, especially since a WR is such a product of his offense. But based on a much better projected supporting cast in 2006, I have a hard time knocking Coles down from his 2005 numbers.
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Well I brought up those stats because his numbers don't look as good because of them. In week 3 Pennington went down and week 4 the QB shuffle began. Those 2 weeks he posted a combined 33 yards. What I'm saying is if you took out those 2 weeks, he would've been on pace for 77 catches for 928 yards last season. It actually makes my numbers look much lower and the more you question me, the more I look into it deeper and realize with Pennington's injury in week 3 and the QB shuffle throughout the season, that even with Pennington's weak arm, throughout the year he would most likely improve on last year's numbers. That's why I like the feedback without the flaming :) How about 79 catches for 950 yards and 6 TDs.
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That sounds pretty good. I appreciate the honesty. I've rethought this a bit as well. If you give the 06 Jets the average number of passing yards from the 2002-2004 Jets (the three years Pennington led the team in passing), and give Coles 28% of those yards, that still leaves him shy of 1,000 yards. I think your projections seem very reasonable, and my original projections (1040) might be closer to his high-end numbers than his expected value numbers (without discounting for injury).

Good discussion.

 
There's no doubt that the Jets QB situation looks bleak this year, but I'd be very surprised if it's worse than in 2005. The Jets ranked 26th in QB Rating, 27th in passing yards and tied for 31st in passing TDs.
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That's the problem. If they just started Ramsey all year they would do better than that this year. But they'll likely start Pennington since they're loyal to the guy, and if he struggles (which is likely) they'll probably stick with him through an unknown number of dismal offensive games.
 
There's no doubt that the Jets QB situation looks bleak this year, but I'd be very surprised if it's worse than in 2005. The Jets ranked 26th in QB Rating, 27th in passing yards and tied for 31st in passing TDs.
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That's the problem. If they just started Ramsey all year they would do better than that this year. But they'll likely start Pennington since they're loyal to the guy, and if he struggles (which is likely) they'll probably stick with him through an unknown number of dismal offensive games.
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Not if Pennington looks bad in camp and preseason and Ramsey looks good. Its a new coaching staff and new regime who have already stated that they like Pennington but feel no loyalty towards him (further evidenced by the team asking him to take an insulting pay cut) and it will be an open competition.If Ramsey outplays Pennington, Ramsey will be the starting QB.

 
I'm just wondering whether now's a good time to bring this thread into the conversation?

I love the logic that Coles' ypc must improve if the QB play improves. Does that mean that McCareins ypc, which was almost 17 ypc, is going to average 20 now?

Coles averaged the least amount of ypc on his team. Think about that. His foot injury is not healed right, and he's not getting separation like he used to. His explosiveness is gone. Whether he's got a good QB throwing to him or not, that fact really won't change.

 
I felt the difference in what Coles accomplished in Washington vs. what Moss accomplished in Washington was quite telling. Whether it's his toe that's caused him to lose his game I don't know, but he's no better than mediocre.

 
I guess I'll never understand the people who knock Coles. THe last two years, playing under a JV offense in Washington, and then going through some five different QBs last year, not a single one of which was a starting-caliber QB in the NFL, this guy has 163 receptions. Over the last four years, he is number 6 overall in catches. To me, what Coles was able to accomplish in the last two years in such awful surroundings is a huge confirmation of my beliefs that this guys is an elite WR who just needs some stability. However, I'm just not sure what kind of offense the Jets will run, so I hesitate to predict any real stats. Let's face it, the Jets are a wide-open mess. We dont' konw who will start at nearly every skill position, so I'm not making any projections yet.

 
I guess I'll never understand the people who knock Coles. THe last two years, playing under a JV offense in Washington, and then going through some five different QBs last year, not a single one of which was a starting-caliber QB in the NFL, this guy has 163 receptions. Over the last four years, he is number 6 overall in catches. To me, what Coles was able to accomplish in the last two years in such awful surroundings is a huge confirmation of my beliefs that this guys is an elite WR who just needs some stability. However, I'm just not sure what kind of offense the Jets will run, so I hesitate to predict any real stats. Let's face it, the Jets are a wide-open mess. We dont' konw who will start at nearly every skill position, so I'm not making any projections yet.
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Care to explain why McCareins averaged 5 ypc more than Coles did in the same offense?
 
I guess I'll never understand the people who knock Coles. THe last two years, playing under a JV offense in Washington, and then going through some five different QBs last year, not a single one of which was a starting-caliber QB in the NFL, this guy has 163 receptions. Over the last four years, he is number 6 overall in catches. To me, what Coles was able to accomplish in the last two years in such awful surroundings is a huge confirmation of my beliefs that this guys is an elite WR who just needs some stability. However, I'm just not sure what kind of offense the Jets will run, so I hesitate to predict any real stats. Let's face it, the Jets are a wide-open mess. We dont' konw who will start at nearly every skill position, so I'm not making any projections yet.
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Care to explain why McCareins averaged 5 ypc more than Coles did in the same offense?
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Because he dropped a lot of the 5 yard passes.
 
I believe that Coles has proven himself as a capable #1 WR in the NFL. The main issue looking at the upcoming year is the QB situation in NY. Pennington is a health concern, Ramsey has never taken advantage of his changes in Washington and still has much to prove that he can start at the NFL level, Bollinger seemed to prove that he is at best a backup QB, and Clemens is a rookie. Coles without doubt will be limited by this since any WR is only as good as the guy that can throw him the rock. I expect him to be the main target in NY and to get some opportunities by whoever is throwing but I think a realistic mark at to what he will achieve is somewhere in the area of about 70 catches, 850 yards and 7 TD's. The average yards per catch should be around the 12 yard mark and not much higher, lock that in if Chad is throwing most of the season.

I kicked myself all year long last year after trading Santana Moss in a deal instead of Coles thinking Coles was going to the better situation. :wall:

 
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Been a big Coles fan since his first stint with the Jets. He clearly is not the same WR he was since the foot injury.

His upside is basically 2005 Antonio Bryant stats now. If everything breaks right for him this year, he'll put up...

80 catches, 1000 yards 6 TDs.

 
I guess I'll never understand the people who knock Coles. THe last two years, playing under a JV offense in Washington, and then going through some five different QBs last year, not a single one of which was a starting-caliber QB in the NFL, this guy has 163 receptions. Over the last four years, he is number 6 overall in catches. To me, what Coles was able to accomplish in the last two years in such awful surroundings is a huge confirmation of my beliefs that this guys is an elite WR who just needs some stability. However, I'm just not sure what kind of offense the Jets will run, so I hesitate to predict any real stats. Let's face it, the Jets are a wide-open mess. We dont' konw who will start at nearly every skill position, so I'm not making any projections yet.
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Care to explain why McCareins averaged 5 ypc more than Coles did in the same offense?
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Because he dropped a lot of the 5 yard passes.
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=Cotchery getting a shot this year.. :ph34r:
 
Care to explain why McCareins averaged 5 ypc more than Coles did in the same offense?

Because he dropped a lot of the 5 yard passes.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
I am looking at Coles as good value as the clear #1 WR on his team even if it is the J-E-T-S. He would be a good #3, great #4 WR based on his WR rank, #27-31 area. I'm in a 10 team league though, so I guess he's a 3rd WR in a 12 teamer.

 
Last year was an absolute train wreck for the Jets and Coles. No QB to speak of, a terrible HC, no Curtis Martin, terrible OL. McCareins did drop every short pass and the toe is not the problem (see above). Moss would have sucked in that O in 2005.

In the offseason I think the JEts upgraded every one of those negatives from last year. There is no way Coles has similar stats this year - there is nowhere to go but up. His value is dirt cheap right now - could be a pleasant steal as a #3/4 WR who could end up putting up #2 numbers IMO. Look for a decent bounce back this year - no matter who is QB!

85 catches 1,200 yds 7 TDs

 
85 catches 1,200 yds 7 TDs
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Those numbers seem high to me, but they're certainly not out of reach. He's had two identical seasons to those already, and not too long ago. Guys like Moulds, Burress and Muhammad come to mind as players who had big years sandwiched around some below average ones.I've got the Jets QBs projected at 308/520 and 3,440 yards. If you give Coles the same percentage of those yards as he had last year, that puts him at 973 yards. Obviously reaching 1200 yards would involve the Jets passing offense doing better than expectations, or Coles stealing more yards from McCareins.

 
not a guy that really you can get excited about, but he's a solid WR3 in a 12 team league and may have the upside of a WR2 if things fall right for the Jets.

77/902/5

 
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Those numbers seem high to me, but they're certainly not out of reach. He's had two identical seasons to those already, and not too long ago. Guys like Moulds, Burress and Muhammad come to mind as players who had big years sandwiched around some below average ones.I've got the Jets QBs projected at 308/520 and 3,440 yards. If you give Coles the same percentage of those yards as he had last year, that puts him at 973 yards. Obviously reaching 1200 yards would involve the Jets passing offense doing better than expectations, or Coles stealing more yards from McCareins.
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Coles is not just the best Jet passing option but he is the only passing option! McCareins is terrible (I am not kidding - a complete bum so far in NY), no Wayne Chrbet, Cotchery has only a few catches under his belt, Baker is untested/injury prone, Jolley sucks. I think Coles still has talent and I also think the JEts O will be much better this year with Schott, better OL and much better QBs (no matter who is in there - Bollinger just is not close to an NFL QB) - as such I think the upside with Coles is huge. Trust me - the toe was not the problem last year - all the other stuff was. Does this mean that I am targeting him as my #2 WR? Heck no - everyone is dumping on the Jets - you may be able to get him for a song.....like Santana Moss last year! Remember many top WRs come out of the lower rds (S Moss, Galloway, etc) - I stand by my prediction - I think a lot of people will be shocked with Coles this year.

 
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Those numbers seem high to me, but they're certainly not out of reach. He's had two identical seasons to those already, and not too long ago. Guys like Moulds, Burress and Muhammad come to mind as players who had big years sandwiched around some below average ones.I've got the Jets QBs projected at 308/520 and 3,440 yards. If you give Coles the same percentage of those yards as he had last year, that puts him at 973 yards. Obviously reaching 1200 yards would involve the Jets passing offense doing better than expectations, or Coles stealing more yards from McCareins.
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Coles is not just the best Jet passing option but he is the only passing option! McCareins is terrible (I am not kidding - a complete bum so far in NY), no Wayne Chrbet, Cotchery has only a few catches under his belt, Baker is untested/injury prone, Jolley sucks. I think Coles still has talent and I also think the JEts O will be much better this year with Schott, better OL and much better QBs (no matter who is in there - Bollinger just is not close to an NFL QB) - as such I think the upside with Coles is huge. Trust me - the toe was not the problem last year - all the other stuff was. Does this mean that I am targeting him as my #2 WR? Heck no - everyone is dumping on the Jets - you may be able to get him for a song.....like Santana Moss last year! Remember many top WRs come out of the lower rds (S Moss, Galloway, etc) - I stand by my prediction - I think a lot of people will be shocked with Coles this year.
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I agree with a lot of what you said. And I'm a big Coles fan. But here's the one thing that troubles me, and reigns me in on my Coles projections (you may have noticed I lowered them after my initial post in this thread).Coles was competing with Justin McCareins, Wayne Chrebet, Doug Jolley, Chris Baker, Jerricho Cotchery, Jerald Sowell and Curtis Martin for receiving yards last year. That was probably one of the worst groups in the league.

The NFL average WR1 caught 29.1% of his team's receiving yards, and that number undervalues a WR1. The WR1 for Philadelphia last year was TO, and he caught 19% of his team's yards. An average WR1 should easily clear 30% of his team's receiving yards if he plays sixteen games.

Coles caught just 28.3% of the Jets' receiving yards. Brandon Lloyd, for example, caught 33.5% of the 49ers' receiving yards.

Coles was clearly the Jets best WR last year, but his numbers were underwhelming. I was surprised to see that he had only 132 more yards than McCareins last year. As bad as McCareins was, Coles should have really outgained him by more than that.

 
85 catches 1,200 yds 7 TDs
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Those numbers seem high to me, but they're certainly not out of reach. He's had two identical seasons to those already, and not too long ago. Guys like Moulds, Burress and Muhammad come to mind as players who had big years sandwiched around some below average ones.I've got the Jets QBs projected at 308/520 and 3,440 yards. If you give Coles the same percentage of those yards as he had last year, that puts him at 973 yards. Obviously reaching 1200 yards would involve the Jets passing offense doing better than expectations, or Coles stealing more yards from McCareins.
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Coles is not just the best Jet passing option but he is the only passing option! McCareins is terrible (I am not kidding - a complete bum so far in NY), no Wayne Chrbet, Cotchery has only a few catches under his belt, Baker is untested/injury prone, Jolley sucks. I think Coles still has talent and I also think the JEts O will be much better this year with Schott, better OL and much better QBs (no matter who is in there - Bollinger just is not close to an NFL QB) - as such I think the upside with Coles is huge. Trust me - the toe was not the problem last year - all the other stuff was. Does this mean that I am targeting him as my #2 WR? Heck no - everyone is dumping on the Jets - you may be able to get him for a song.....like Santana Moss last year! Remember many top WRs come out of the lower rds (S Moss, Galloway, etc) - I stand by my prediction - I think a lot of people will be shocked with Coles this year.
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I agree with a lot of what you said. And I'm a big Coles fan. But here's the one thing that troubles me, and reigns me in on my Coles projections (you may have noticed I lowered them after my initial post in this thread).Coles was competing with Justin McCareins, Wayne Chrebet, Doug Jolley, Chris Baker, Jerricho Cotchery, Jerald Sowell and Curtis Martin for receiving yards last year. That was probably one of the worst groups in the league.

The NFL average WR1 caught 29.1% of his team's receiving yards, and that number undervalues a WR1. The WR1 for Philadelphia last year was TO, and he caught 19% of his team's yards. An average WR1 should easily clear 30% of his team's receiving yards if he plays sixteen games.

Coles caught just 28.3% of the Jets' receiving yards. Brandon Lloyd, for example, caught 33.5% of the 49ers' receiving yards.

Coles was clearly the Jets best WR last year, but his numbers were underwhelming. I was surprised to see that he had only 132 more yards than McCareins last year. As bad as McCareins was, Coles should have really outgained him by more than that.
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Good points - but my main argument is that based on the negative factors above - I think you can only use last year as a floor for Coles. You can not compare a season of Vinny, Bollinger, Fabini, Kenadall at Center, C Houston as starting RB - to this year. I mean Vinny and Brooks looked clueless out there and I can't penalize Coles for that. I don't care if it is Chad (only way he plays is if he is somewhat healthy), Ramsey or Clemens - QB situation is much better this year. Add two young but blue chip OL (I don't care how young they are - it is an upgrade from 2005) plus a healthy CuMart and I have a nice bounce back from Coles.

How many people would have laughed at a S Moss and Galloway projection at the numbers they actually produced? Just have a feeling coles may do the same.

 
Interesting that Coles has become one of the more debated players in these threads.
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Coles is a guy to keep tabs on b/c he was the #27 WR in PPR leagues last year, practically WR2 in that format. Current ADP has him going in round seven, not bad in a start 3 WR PPR league.Good discussion here, keep it coming. :thumbup:

 
OUCH.....

Just a quote from Jets Insider..

Starting wide receivers Laveranues Coles and Justin McCareins were hobbling around in mini-camp. McCareins suffered some kind of leg injury that eventually forced him to the sidelines. Coles, who has a chronic turf toe, was seen limping around on a few occasions.



This bleep aint easy no more, Coles was heard saying while running back to a huddle after a pass pattern.

 
OUCH.....

Just a quote from Jets Insider..

Starting wide receivers Laveranues Coles and Justin McCareins were hobbling around in mini-camp. McCareins suffered some kind of leg injury that eventually forced him to the sidelines. Coles, who has a chronic turf toe, was seen limping around on a few occasions.



This bleep aint easy no more, Coles was heard saying while running back to a huddle after a pass pattern.
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It may be a tough pill to swallow given the way that the Coles-Moss trade has worked out, but listen to 'Skins fans on this one. We don't hate Coles - we all appreciated his toughness and the fact that he's a gamer when he played for us. But he did suffer an injury that noticeably affected his play. He's a good guy with a bad injury. Unless you're drafting him dramatically low (like in WR3 territory or lower), you have no business picking him up in anything other than a PPR league.

 
Coles has had a 90-catch season with the two veteran QB's on the Jets roster. He has been bothered by his chronic foot problem, but hasn't looked to be slowed by it too much. The Jets need quite a bit of offensive work, but Coles is the obvious number one and primary target: 79/1050/5

 
OUCH.....

Just a quote from Jets Insider..

Starting wide receivers Laveranues Coles and Justin McCareins were hobbling around in mini-camp. McCareins suffered some kind of leg injury that eventually forced him to the sidelines. Coles, who has a chronic turf toe, was seen limping around on a few occasions.



This bleep aint easy no more, Coles was heard saying while running back to a huddle after a pass pattern.
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It may be a tough pill to swallow given the way that the Coles-Moss trade has worked out, but listen to 'Skins fans on this one. We don't hate Coles - we all appreciated his toughness and the fact that he's a gamer when he played for us. But he did suffer an injury that noticeably affected his play. He's a good guy with a bad injury. Unless you're drafting him dramatically low (like in WR3 territory or lower), you have no business picking him up in anything other than a PPR league.
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It is a tough pill to swallow But, I still say at 100% health from what we saw in NY, Coles is/was a better talent than Moss. The Players on the Jets actually lobbied for the trade and Chad offered to give salary $$$$ back to get him over Moss.. THAT, to me was eye opening.Now, The Toe Injury is the Main Factor here.... Yes, Coles looked hampered but, I would expect NFL doctors and Team officials to be able to tell better than fans watching TV wether or not this was a long Term problem that would change his game forever.

If this turns out to be an OJ Mcduffie, long term, Career changing injury, I'ts just one more thing I shake my head at the old Bradway Regime at......

You can't make that trade without knowing Coles is going to be 100% at some point..... As fans, we were told Coles would be the same player we knew and loved.

We'll see what happens this year, hopefully with a much better QB situation in NY.

But, Jet fans also remember, wether the injury reports show it or not, Moss seemingly always being hampered, limping or questionable in what seemed like a chronic Hammy situation.... Funny how the situation turns around.

Well, not so funny.

To me last year was a washout for anything associated with the Jets offense and the stats will mean Nothing in my projections or analysis. Moss, did put on a show though and I have to eat crow for that.

 
It is a tough pill to swallow But, I still say at 100% health from what we saw in NY, Coles is/was a better talent than Moss. The Players on the Jets actually lobbied for the trade and Chad offered to give salary $$$$ back to get him over Moss.. THAT, to me was eye opening.

Now, The Toe Injury is the Main Factor here.... Yes, Coles looked hampered but, I would expect NFL doctors and Team officials to be able to tell better than fans watching TV wether or not this was a long Term problem that would change his game forever.

If this turns out to be an OJ Mcduffie, long term, Career changing injury, I'ts just one more thing I shake my head at the old Bradway Regime at......

You can't make that trade without knowing Coles is going to be 100% at some point..... As fans, we were told Coles would be the same player we knew and loved.

We'll see what happens this year, hopefully with a much better QB situation in NY.

But, Jet fans also remember, wether the injury reports show it or not, Moss seemingly always being hampered, limping or questionable in what seemed like a chronic Hammy situation.... Funny how the situation turns around.

Well, not so funny.

To me last year was a washout for anything associated with the Jets offense and the stats will mean Nothing in my projections or analysis. Moss, did put on a show though and I have to eat crow for that.
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I remember reading, sometime around spring of 2005, that team doctors had recommended surgery and Coles flat out refused. If that's the case, you're right - the team doctors did know best, and Coles refused surgery. If it's a chronic foot problem, it's something that will be fine at the start of the season and progessively worsen as the season wears on, unless it heals fully during the off-season. Whether it's actually ever healed is in question, it would appear.
 
I remember reading, sometime around spring of 2005, that team doctors had recommended surgery and Coles flat out refused. If that's the case, you're right - the team doctors did know best, and Coles refused surgery. If it's a chronic foot problem, it's something that will be fine at the start of the season and progessively worsen as the season wears on, unless it heals fully during the off-season. Whether it's actually ever healed is in question, it would appear.
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I'm talking Jet doctors who I know are well respected Doctors in the NFL and other sports in NY..... They did their analysis after the one you remember - The doctors who were part of OK'ng a trade for a potentially Damaged product.... They didn't say "Sure trade for the guy only IF he has surgery" - They said he would be fine without the surgery and all he needed was Rest.......
 
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