Player Spotlight: Ben Roethlisberger (1 Viewer)

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Roethlisberger is set to have a very strong year, provided he suffers no ill effects from his unfortunate accident a few weeks ago. Now, he's not going to challenge the Mannings of the world for fantasy dominance, as the Steelers simply run the ball too much. I don't see that changing significantly this year. In past years, when the Steelers shifted their offensive focus from the run to the pass, it was primarily due to an inability to run the ball effectively. Typically, this was a result of some combination of circumstances - either the defense wasn't up to snuff, and they were forced to play a lot of catch-up, the offensive line suffered injuries and had both untested players in and guys playing out of position, or the passing game lacked the teeth to keep defenses honest. None of these should be an issue this year, as the line is intact and has the benefit of playing an entire year together, Roethlisberger has weapons at his disposal with Holmes, Wilson, Ward, and Miller, and the defense seems poised to be as good or better than last year's version. Taking all that into consideration, along with the fact that the Steelers all but abandon the pass when ahead in the second half, means Roethlisberger's attempts will be limited again. I do, however, see a small uptick coming in the pass to run ration, if for no other reason than Bettis' retirement deprives them of a reliable back who rarely fumbles (I know...) and doesn't get injured - a guy they can lean on to close games. Also, Miller has another year on him, and the big-play ability they've lacked in terms of having a pure speed merchant at wideout is solved by the arrival of Santonio Holmes (and maybe even Willie Reid.) Add to this, that thecoaches will be more comfortable opening things up a bit now that Ben has had a couple of years to fully acclimate himself to the system and the pro game. Roethlisberger is known for doing a lot with limited chances, as his yards per attempt have been at the top of the NFL since he first set foot on the field.

I'm going to project him for 14 games to account for the faint possibility that he won't be ready to start week 1 (seems unlikely since he is playing charity golf tournaments and is already participating in throwing drills) as well as his tendency to suffer minor injuries during the season. He's averaged about 21 attempts per game in his career thus far, I think that number will rise slightly this year, to ~23 attempts per contest. Thus, I see about 325 attempts this year. Using pretty well-established YPA, TD/ATT and COMP % data (as I feel that his situation offensively has changed very negligibly) :

204/325 2,795 yards 19 TD 10 INT, with 35 rushes for 74 yards and 2 TDs.

In other words, a serviceable #2 with the ability to have a big week now and again (hopefully when your #1 is on a bye.)

229 comp, 352 atts, 3110 yds, 22 TDs, 11 Ints, 40 carries, 110 yds, 2 TDs

Does his injury hurt his results? SuperBowl Hangover?

I'm not high on Big Ben this year.

Current ADP - 98 (QB 16)

I think the setback could open Ben up for a slow start. He may even be more likely to be injured (Not that I would predict it). It does increae the risk factor in drafting him...imo.

Loss of the Bus and all of those tough 3rd down conversions.

Loss of Randle El.

Ward although a stud...is a year older.

Lot's of questions on Offense for this team.

Yards - 3150

TD's- 17

Int- 15

Ru Yards - 85

TD's - 2

I think that by the time the season rolls around, Big Ben's motorcycle accident will be ancient history and folks will be on the band-wagon recalling the passing game the Steelers used in the playoffs to roll to the Super Bowl.

But, there will be affects to the accident and Rothlisberger will have his sophomore set-backs in his third season as the Steelers return their focus to the ground game. Big Ben's turnovers increase and his overall performance slips a little. I also see some continuing minor injuries compounding his struggles. He has yet to play an injury free season.

190 completions in 280 attempts for 2620 yards, 16 TDs and 15 Ints. He adds 35 rushes for 90 yards and 2 TDs.

Current ADP - 98 (QB 16)

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This ADP surprises me a bit. Here are the things he will have to overcome to finish as QB16:- QB21 and QB19 in 2 seasons so far- Could have some aftereffects of his accident- Has not stayed healthy yet, missing 5 games in 2 seasons- Lost Bettis and Randle El- The whole team could suffer from the "Super Bowl hangover effect"What are the positives as compared to last year?Another thing I noticed. In weeks 14-17 in his two sesaons thus far he has played 7 of 8 games, missing week 17 in 2004 (not important to many fantasy leagues). He has only averaged 13.6 fantasy points per game in those 7 games, below his 17.2 fppg average for the games he has played in weeks 1-13. It's too small a sample set to be a major concern, but it certainly doesn't push him higher in my rankings.

Current ADP - 98 (QB 16)

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This ADP surprises me a bit. Here are the things he will have to overcome to finish as QB16:- QB21 and QB19 in 2 seasons so far

- Could have some aftereffects of his accident

- Has not stayed healthy yet, missing 5 games in 2 seasons

- Lost Bettis and Randle El

- The whole team could suffer from the "Super Bowl hangover effect"

What are the positives as compared to last year?

Another thing I noticed. In weeks 14-17 in his two sesaons thus far he has played 7 of 8 games, missing week 17 in 2004 (not important to many fantasy leagues). He has only averaged 13.6 fantasy points per game in those 7 games, below his 17.2 fppg average for the games he has played in weeks 1-13. It's too small a sample set to be a major concern, but it certainly doesn't push him higher in my rankings.

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I don't think it's that much of a leap of faith - his QB19 ranking last season was with him missing 4 games. In PPG, he was in the top 10 or 12 in most systems.I suspect his numbers are going to be pretty similar to where they were last season, only he will stay healthy for 16.

3200 yards, 23 TD, 12 Int, 100 rushing, 1 TD.

I'm not in the business of predicting injuries, and I don't think we have enough to label him as any more of an injury risk than just about any other QB not named Favre/P Manning/Brady. His weapons are relatively similar to what they were last year, Randle-El just isn't that difficult of a receiving option to replace, and Parker will be on the field more and is more of an option than Bettis was.. There is some risk that the injury could cause some adverse effects, but there is also the upside that they could actually let him take over more of the offense. He's capable of more...

Current ADP - 98 (QB 16)

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This ADP surprises me a bit. Here are the things he will have to overcome to finish as QB16:- QB21 and QB19 in 2 seasons so far

- Could have some aftereffects of his accident

- Has not stayed healthy yet, missing 5 games in 2 seasons

- Lost Bettis and Randle El

- The whole team could suffer from the "Super Bowl hangover effect"

What are the positives as compared to last year?

Another thing I noticed. In weeks 14-17 in his two sesaons thus far he has played 7 of 8 games, missing week 17 in 2004 (not important to many fantasy leagues). He has only averaged 13.6 fantasy points per game in those 7 games, below his 17.2 fppg average for the games he has played in weeks 1-13. It's too small a sample set to be a major concern, but it certainly doesn't push him higher in my rankings.

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I don't think it's that much of a leap of faith - his QB19 ranking last season was with him missing 4 games. In PPG, he was in the top 10 or 12 in most systems.

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Good catch. He actually has missed 6 games in 2 seasons, not 5. How many will he miss this year? And this year is also different due to the accident and the loss of Bettis & Randle El. A regression in his PPG numbers is likely.

Current ADP - 98 (QB 16)

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This ADP surprises me a bit. Here are the things he will have to overcome to finish as QB16:- QB21 and QB19 in 2 seasons so far

- Could have some aftereffects of his accident

- Has not stayed healthy yet, missing 5 games in 2 seasons

- Lost Bettis and Randle El

- The whole team could suffer from the "Super Bowl hangover effect"

What are the positives as compared to last year?

Another thing I noticed. In weeks 14-17 in his two sesaons thus far he has played 7 of 8 games, missing week 17 in 2004 (not important to many fantasy leagues). He has only averaged 13.6 fantasy points per game in those 7 games, below his 17.2 fppg average for the games he has played in weeks 1-13. It's too small a sample set to be a major concern, but it certainly doesn't push him higher in my rankings.

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I don't think it's that much of a leap of faith - his QB19 ranking last season was with him missing 4 games. In PPG, he was in the top 10 or 12 in most systems.

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Good catch. He actually has missed 6 games in 2 seasons, not 5. How many will he miss this year? And this year is also different due to the accident and the loss of Bettis & Randle El. A regression in his PPG numbers is likely.

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You can't really dock him any games for 04. In week 1, he wasn't the starter. And in week 17, the playoff positioning was locked up for them. If home field was on the line, he probably would have played.

With the loss of Bettis, I expect Ben's TDs to increase, and most likely some increase in # of passes as well. We all know Hines Ward is among the best all around WRs in the league, but a #2 WR has to emerge. Maybe Wilson is that guy, but I'm thinking Miller steps up as the #2 passing option, along with Parker getting a fair amount of screens and short dump off passes.

Looking at his 1st two seasons, he's averaged 200 yards, 1.36 TDs and 0.8 INT per game. I can see a bump up to 220, 1.5 and 1, leading to 3,520 yards, 24 TD and 16 INT. I have no idea how much he'll run, on one hand, he may run more because Bettis is gone, and the coverage on Hines and Miller will probably be tight, but on the other, will he be willing to take a hit?

With the loss of Bettis, I expect Ben's TDs to increase, and most likely some increase in # of passes as well. We all know Hines Ward is among the best all around WRs in the league, but a #2 WR has to emerge. Maybe Wilson is that guy, but I'm thinking Miller steps up as the #2 passing option, along with Parker getting a fair amount of screens and short dump off passes.

Looking at his 1st two seasons, he's averaged 200 yards, 1.36 TDs and 0.8 INT per game. I can see a bump up to 220, 1.5 and 1, leading to 3,520 yards, 24 TD and 16 INT. I have no idea how much he'll run, on one hand, he may run more because Bettis is gone, and the coverage on Hines and Miller will probably be tight, but on the other, will he be willing to take a hit?

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Using your passing numbers and giving him his rushing numbers from last year (69/3), this would have ranked Ben as QB5 last season, only 0.3 fantasy points behind QB4 (FBG scoring). Is that really what you expect?Another thing. Your stats appear to be off a bit. In his first two seasons, if you ignore his 0 attempt Baltimore game last year, he played 26 games and averaged 192.5 passing yards, 1.31 passing TDs, and 0.8 interceptions, so you're giving him a bit bigger bump than you indicated--14% bump in yards and 10% bump in passing TDs. Despite losing Bettis & Randle El.

Ben Roethlisberger is a fantasy stud waiting to happen. The reason that he hasn't yet taken that leap is due to his career path and the success of the Steelers. Blessed with a very good running game and a strong defense, the team did not allow Roethlisberger to get too creative when he had to start 13 games as a rookie. That trend continued in 2005. The team was able to win with a strong running game and a dominant defense.

Roethlisberger has attempted 30 or more passes in just two of his 26 regular season starts. The reason I think he may eventually become an elite fantasy option is due to his efficiency. His yards per attempt figure is extremely high, and falls in the same range as Peyton Manning's. For every attempt Roethlisberger has thrown, he has averaged 8.89 yards. Most rookie QBs are terrible in their first year, but Roethlisberger completed 66.4% of his passes and had a healthy TD:INT ratio. His completion rate fell last year, probably because he was allowed to attempt a few more difficult passes, but his TD:INT ratio improved and was very nearly 2:1.

The Steelers will be a different team this year after the retirement of Jerome Bettis. Willie Parker had a very good season but it was Bettis who saw action at the goal line and in other short yardage situations. I would expect his loss to force the Steelers to pass more, particularly in the red zone. TE Heath Miller started strongly but was not used as much in the second half of the season and that should change this year. Hines Ward will still be the clear number one receiver, but Randle El departed leaving Cedrick Wilson and Santonio Holmes to challenge for playing time. With the three main receivers all measuring six feet or under, Miller could be targeted heavily in the end zone now that Bettis is no longer around. Roethlisberger's TD numbers should rise as a result. He may even get a few chances to run in a TD himself.

The core of Pittburgh's team returns, so I don't expect Roethlisberger to get enough passing attempts to reach elite status just yet, but I do think he will exceed 300 attempts for the first time. A tough looking schedule will challenge the Steelers and probably force them into passing situations more often. The key to his success will be staying healthy and playing a full season for the first time.

Prediction

256/400 3280 passing yards 24 TDs 14 INTs

60 rushes 150 yards 3 TDs

Ben will be money this season for one simple fact. That motorcycle accident woke him up and will make him more focused on his football career than ever before. I will gladly take him as a backup (only because Pitt is still a run first team) and reap the benefits when my starter slumps.

from Aaron Schatz of Football Outsiders...

Once he can play, Roethlisberger will return to full strength quickly, and he's one of the best quarterbacks in the game whether you judge by rings or by stats. Big Ben is the only quarterback since 1978 with two seasons in the top 10 for net yards per pass attempt, and of course they happen to be the only two seasons he's played.

I'll say 3300 yards 23 TDs 10 INT's 65 rush yards 2 rush TDs

Agreed with much of what Museboy wrote.

Check out Roethlisberger's statistics over 16 starts last year (12 regular season + 4 playoff games):

226/361 for 3188 yards (199 per game), 63% completions, 8.8 YPA

24 TD passes/12 interceptions

50 rushes for 106 yards and 5 TD

Roethlisberger accumulated these stats in an offense that ran the ball nearly 60% of the time (leading the league). Put his 16 game numbers next to FF darlings like Eli Manning and Matt Hasselbeck and you have very similar FF QBs but Roethlisberger will be drafted much later.

Of the Steelers 70 plays inside their opponents 10 yard line last year they ran the ball 53 times. Most of those went to Jerome Bettis. The Steelers will still run the ball inside the 10 but I expect them to be much more balanced with Hines Ward and Heath Miller as solid options. Roethlisberger's athleticism makes him a potent run/pass option near the goalline, expect to see him used often in that capacity.

The major issue regarding Roethlisberger is his mental state after the moto-wreck. If he's ready to go for training camp and most believe he will be, he's a draft day steal. If healthy I think you can count on him for a few more passes per game and similar numbers as last year (over 16 games) with plenty of upside.

My guess:

260/416 for 3500 yards (219 per game)

25 TD passes/ 12 INT

45 rushes for 100 yards/ 4 TD

With the loss of Bettis, I expect Ben's TDs to increase, and most likely some increase in # of passes as well. We all know Hines Ward is among the best all around WRs in the league, but a #2 WR has to emerge. Maybe Wilson is that guy, but I'm thinking Miller steps up as the #2 passing option, along with Parker getting a fair amount of screens and short dump off passes.

Looking at his 1st two seasons, he's averaged 200 yards, 1.36 TDs and 0.8 INT per game. I can see a bump up to 220, 1.5 and 1, leading to 3,520 yards, 24 TD and 16 INT. I have no idea how much he'll run, on one hand, he may run more because Bettis is gone, and the coverage on Hines and Miller will probably be tight, but on the other, will he be willing to take a hit?

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Using your passing numbers and giving him his rushing numbers from last year (69/3), this would have ranked Ben as QB5 last season, only 0.3 fantasy points behind QB4 (FBG scoring). Is that really what you expect?Another thing. Your stats appear to be off a bit. In his first two seasons, if you ignore his 0 attempt Baltimore game last year, he played 26 games and averaged 192.5 passing yards, 1.31 passing TDs, and 0.8 interceptions, so you're giving him a bit bigger bump than you indicated--14% bump in yards and 10% bump in passing TDs. Despite losing Bettis & Randle El.

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I'm good with that. I rarely take last year's other performances into account. If that makes him QB5, great. If Cowher opens the offense, as I suspect he will, just a little, I feel comfortable with my projections.Losing Bettis, while probably huge in the clubhouse, doesn't mean much to me in FF. I figure, the Steelers offense won't be hurt all that much, and will have to throw more in the red zone.

Randle El, despite being probably my favorite "non stud" player in the NFL (only behind LT to me), isn't as huge a loss for Ben's FF value as Miller's development could help it.

Benny is going to have a breakout season. I see alot of good points in this thread. A few that haven't been mentioned...

-Ben battled a thumb injury the final 2 months of the season. He was unable to throw the deep ball like he normally does. That is a huge dimension of his game because his scrambling ability allows receivers to get deep. This year he'll be able to throw the long ball more effectively.

-The Steelers WR core is much deeper than last year. Nothing against Randle El but he was hardly a deep threat last season. Santonio Holmes is exactly that. Cedric Wilson showed some deep threat ability in the playoffs, he's now got a year under his belt. Throw in the development of 2nd year WR Nate Washington, who the coaches rave about, and you have an arsenal of solid secondary threats to go with the vet stud Ward and 2nd year TE Heath Miller.

-The strength of this offense is QB and WR/TE, the past 3 first round picks have gone to solidify these positions. Cowher and Whisenhunt won't abandon the run but they'd be foolish not to recognize the strength of their offense.

-There seems to be some worry that the Steelers will completely abandon the pass when they get up big in the 2nd half. That may be the case in a few games but look at their opponents for 2006, I wouldn't expect many blowouts:

MIA, at JAX, CIN, at SD, KC, at ATL, at OAK, DEN, NO, at CLE, at BAL, TB, CLE, at CAR, BAL, at CIN

Outside of NO and CLE there aren't many cupcakes. That should be conducive to a balanced O in Steeltown.

It sort of seemed to me that things were lining up in PIT for the passing game to be opened up a bit more in 06... but with Ben's wreck and Holmes' issues, I am less confident that it will happen now... I guess I'm on the fence.

For now, I'll go with-

15 GP

Pass Yds: 3100

Pass TDs: 21

Pass INTs: 14

Rush Yds: 100

Rush TDs: 2

Predicted

256/400 3280 passing yards 24 TDs 14 INTs

60 rushes 150 yards 3 TDs

Actual

280/469 3513 passing yards 18 TDs 23 INTs

32 carries 98 rushing yards 2 TDs

Props to OZ for nailing the yardage in his prediction, but nobody guessed that Roethlisberger's TD/INT ratio would fall so dramatically. He also missed one game, but still threw for over 3500 yards. I am not unhappy with this prediction as I got closer than most.

Musesboy said:

Ben Roethlisberger is a fantasy stud waiting to happen. The reason that he hasn't yet taken that leap is due to his career path and the success of the Steelers. Blessed with a very good running game and a strong defense, the team did not allow Roethlisberger to get too creative when he had to start 13 games as a rookie. That trend continued in 2005. The team was able to win with a strong running game and a dominant defense.

Roethlisberger has attempted 30 or more passes in just two of his 26 regular season starts. The reason I think he may eventually become an elite fantasy option is due to his efficiency. His yards per attempt figure is extremely high, and falls in the same range as Peyton Manning's. For every attempt Roethlisberger has thrown, he has averaged 8.89 yards. Most rookie QBs are terrible in their first year, but Roethlisberger completed 66.4% of his passes and had a healthy TD:INT ratio. His completion rate fell last year, probably because he was allowed to attempt a few more difficult passes, but his TD:INT ratio improved and was very nearly 2:1.

The Steelers will be a different team this year after the retirement of Jerome Bettis. Willie Parker had a very good season but it was Bettis who saw action at the goal line and in other short yardage situations. I would expect his loss to force the Steelers to pass more, particularly in the red zone. TE Heath Miller started strongly but was not used as much in the second half of the season and that should change this year. Hines Ward will still be the clear number one receiver, but Randle El departed leaving Cedrick Wilson and Santonio Holmes to challenge for playing time. With the three main receivers all measuring six feet or under, Miller could be targeted heavily in the end zone now that Bettis is no longer around. Roethlisberger's TD numbers should rise as a result. He may even get a few chances to run in a TD himself.

The core of Pittburgh's team returns, so I don't expect Roethlisberger to get enough passing attempts to reach elite status just yet, but I do think he will exceed 300 attempts for the first time. A tough looking schedule will challenge the Steelers and probably force them into passing situations more often. The key to his success will be staying healthy and playing a full season for the first time.

Prediction

256/400 3280 passing yards 24 TDs 14 INTs

60 rushes 150 yards 3 TDs

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Musesboy said:

Props to OZ for nailing the yardage in his prediction, but nobody guessed that Roethlisberger's TD/INT ration would fall so dramatically. He also missed one game, but still threw for over 3500 yards. I amnot unhappy with this prediction as I got closer than most.

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Thanks, although the most ominous part of my post better exemplified his season:

-OZ- said:

With the loss of Bettis, I expect Ben's TDs to increase, and most likely some increase in # of passes as well. We all know Hines Ward is among the best all around WRs in the league, but a #2 WR has to emerge. Maybe Wilson is that guy, but I'm thinking Miller steps up as the #2 passing option, along with Parker getting a fair amount of screens and short dump off passes.

Looking at his 1st two seasons, he's averaged 200 yards, 1.36 TDs and 0.8 INT per game. I can see a bump up to 220, 1.5 and 1, leading to 3,520 yards, 24 TD and 16 INT. I have no idea how much he'll run, on one hand, he may run more because Bettis is gone, and the coverage on Hines and Miller will probably be tight, but on the other, will he be willing to take a hit?

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I really don't know whether to chalk Ben's TD/INT ratio up to the injuries and apparent lack of protection he received in many games, 46 sacks for the year? Nobody would have seen that coming. Was the loss of the Bus to blame there, was Ben just holding the ball too long, or did the OL fall apart that quickly? I'm blaming the OL for now, but Ben was probably gunshy as well.

I think I pretty much nailed my analysis here. I don't know where I posted it, but I said all along Ben is injury-prone and that is a major fantasy concern. Surprised it wasn't in this thread.

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I think I pretty much nailed my analysis here. I don't know where I posted it, but I said all along Ben is injury-prone and that is a major fantasy concern. Surprised it wasn't in this thread.

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This again? Nothing about Ben's season this year should label him as injury prone. The guy had a terrible motorcycle accident and an emergency appendectomy before the first game of the season and missed ONE game. Does that make him injury prone?The organization probably rushed him back and he started off poorly, but he looked fantastic againt KC and in the first half against Atlanta until he suffered another concussion. Who knows if that was related at all to his first one. But how much time did he miss after that concussion? He played the next week. It was an up and down year, and a lot of his struggles were related to terribly inconsistent play from the offensive line, but he was far down the list of reasons why the Steelers' season turned out the way it did. From a fantasy perspsective, despite the offseason accident, surgery, and his slow start, he still managed to finish right around QB15.

Steelers4Life said:

BGP said:

I think I pretty much nailed my analysis here. I don't know where I posted it, but I said all along Ben is injury-prone and that is a major fantasy concern. Surprised it wasn't in this thread.

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This again? Nothing about Ben's season this year should label him as injury prone. The guy had a terrible motorcycle accident and an emergency appendectomy before the first game of the season and missed ONE game. Does that make him injury prone?

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He has yet to play a full season in the NFL because he gets hurt every year. Well, he didn't play a full season his rookie year because he wasn't the starter right away. But even then, in the playoffs he had the thumb injury and played horribly. And looking back, if there was one reason the Steelers missed the playoffs, it might be that they rushed Ben back too soon when they had a capable backup in Charlie Batch.

Durable QB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...6/injuries.html

Injury-prone QB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...0/injuries.html

BGP said:

Durable QB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...6/injuries.html

Injury-prone QB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...0/injuries.html

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Manning didn't take near the punishment Roethlisberger did and the only game Ben missed was due to an appendectomy, which was completely unrelated to football. Had it not been for the appendicitis, he would have played in all 16 games this season.Even still, Roethlisberger has played 47 games in the first 3 years of his career, which is one less than Peyton Manning.

Godsbrother said:

BGP said:

Durable QB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...6/injuries.html

Injury-prone QB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...0/injuries.html

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Manning didn't take near the punishment Roethlisberger did and the only game Ben missed was due to an appendectomy, which was completely unrelated to football. Had it not been for the appendicitis, he would have played in all 16 games this season.Even still, Roethlisberger has played 47 games in the first 3 years of his career, which is one less than Peyton Manning.

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BGP is once again.

Godsbrother said:

Roethlisberger has played 47 games in the first 3 years of his career, which is one less than Peyton Manning.

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1. I guess you didn't read my post so I will say it again. Looking back, if there was one reason the Steelers missed the playoffs, it might be that they rushed Ben back too soon when they had a capable backup in Charlie Batch. Playing in games you shouldn't be playing in because your injuries are causing your performance to drop and thus hurting the franchise isn't a good thing. But that's what the injury-prone Ben did.2.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/RoetBe00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MannPe00.htm

Ben has NOT played in 6 games during his first 3 years. And he should have sat out some more games this year to get healthy and let Batch play.

Peyton Manning has NEVER missed a game in his ENTIRE NINE YEAR CAREER.

Godsbrother said:

BGP said:

Durable QB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...6/injuries.html

Injury-prone QB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...0/injuries.html

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Manning didn't take near the punishment Roethlisberger did and the only game Ben missed was due to an appendectomy, which was completely unrelated to football. Had it not been for the appendicitis, he would have played in all 16 games this season.

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I hope you are not suggesting that I said Ben is injury-prone strictly within the sphere of the game. "Unrelated to football"? I just don't know where you're going with odd comments like that. You give the impression that you can't dispute what I'm saying so you are trying to set up a "straw man" arguement. A "straw man" arguement is to pretend I said something and then argue that point. I NEVER said that the term "injury-prone" was strictly football-related. So why you are bringing that up is strange.

And try to focus better when you dispute things. You don't look very good there.

BGP said:

Godsbrother said:

Roethlisberger has played 47 games in the first 3 years of his career, which is one less than Peyton Manning.

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1. I guess you didn't read my post so I will say it again. Looking back, if there was one reason the Steelers missed the playoffs, it might be that they rushed Ben back too soon when they had a capable backup in Charlie Batch. Playing in games you shouldn't be playing in because your injuries are causing your performance to drop and thus hurting the franchise isn't a good thing. But that's what the injury-prone Ben did.2.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/RoetBe00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MannPe00.htm

Ben has NOT played in 6 games during his first 3 years. And he should have sat out some more games this year to get healthy and let Batch play.

Peyton Manning has NEVER missed a game in his ENTIRE NINE YEAR CAREER.

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Manning also has ZERO Superbowl rings in 9 seasons.

BGP said:

Godsbrother said:

BGP said:

Durable QB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...6/injuries.html

Injury-prone QB:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...0/injuries.html

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Manning didn't take near the punishment Roethlisberger did and the only game Ben missed was due to an appendectomy, which was completely unrelated to football. Had it not been for the appendicitis, he would have played in all 16 games this season.

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I hope you are not suggesting that I said Ben is injury-prone strictly within the sphere of the game. "Unrelated to football"? I just don't know where you're going with odd comments like that. You give the impression that you can't dispute what I'm saying so you are trying to set up a "straw man" arguement. A "straw man" arguement is to pretend I said something and then argue that point. I NEVER said that the term "injury-prone" was strictly football-related. So why you are bringing that up is strange.

And try to focus better when you dispute things. You don't look very good there.

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I am sorry but no one in their right mind would consider someone getting appendicitis as being injury prone. I didn't think even you would be that silly but I guess I should have known better.All football players get hurt from time to time -- even Peyton Manning has. And your links were meaningless anyway. I mean look at this injury prone QB: VERY injury prone.

The bottom line is can you suit up on Sunday or not. Roethlisberger missed 0 games due to injury his rookie season. In 2005 he missed 4 games due to a knee injury but still played 16 games. This season he played in 15 games despite the motorcycle accident, being sacked 46 times and his appendix "injury" a week before the season.

So all told that is 47 games in three seasons which is one less than Manning in his first three seasons and more than most of the QBs in the league.