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veteran IDP sleepers coming off injury (1 Viewer)

Nathan R. Jessep

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I couldn't find a thread on sleepers/good values of IDP players that were injured most or all of last year, and would represent a good value this year. I am especially interested b/c of my brutal salary cap IDP keeper league.

A couple I will be keeping an eye on:

DL: Calvin Pace

LB: ?

DB: Donovan Darius, Mike Rumph

got any more? DISCUSS!

 
I couldn't find a thread on sleepers/good values of IDP players that were injured most or all of last year, and would represent a good value this year. I am especially interested b/c of my brutal salary cap IDP keeper league.

A couple I will be keeping an eye on:

DL: Calvin Pace

LB: ?

DB: Donovan Darius, Mike Rumph

got any more? DISCUSS!
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Some of these guys may fit your criteria.DL/ Kenechi Udeze, Matt Roth, Kris Jenkins

LB/ Gerald Hayes, Anthony Simmons, Shawn Barber, Alfred Fincher, Teddy Lehman, Boss Bailey, (Takeo Spikes and Ed Hartwell)

DB/ Rodney Harrison, Shaun Williams, Madieu Williams, Ken Hamlin, Antrel Rolle, Gary Baxter, Jerametrius Butler

 
(I'm from outside of Philly, so take that into account) I would pay close attention to the Eagles training camp battle at WLB. People are really talking up 2nd year LB Matt McCoy. The downside to him is he likely won't play in the nickel. If Shaun Barber wins the job, he may end up playing all three downs, as he will be the nickel LB.

I think Sheldon Brown will always outperform his draft position/salary in fantasy. He is one of the best tackling corners in the game, and if he's healthy, is a top 20 DB that can be had for next to nothing.

Elsewhere, I like Alfred Fincher as a late round gamble. If he wins the MLB job, he should have solid numbers.

Charles Grant is no sleeper, but he should bounce back nicely this year.

This could also be the year Bradie James decides to fulfill his potential. He showed some flashes last year with several great games, but followed them up with some duds. Parcells may be the guy to push his buttons.

Pay attention to how your league lists Rosie Colvin in NE. If they allow you to use him as a DE, he should give you low LB tackle numbers. MFL currently lists him as a DE.

My rookie to watch is WLB James Anderson in Carolina. The only guy between him and the WLB is Keith Adams. Keith Adams was a dog in Philly and I doubt has improved with age. He's got great wheels, but is never where he needs to be. Anderson might be able to sneak into a very productive job there.

My player to avoid is Vilma.

Vilma is an absolute stud but will have to lose some tackles in the move to the 3-4. He should finish top ten, but does not deserve to be the first LB off the board.

 
great info guys! most of these I knew about/remembered, but a couple of them I had forgotten about

exactly the kind of insight I was looking for. Thanks! :thumbup:

 
Chaun Thompson and Warrick Holdman. Rookies expected to come in and take their jobs, but it's not a given.

 
I couldn't find a thread on sleepers/good values of IDP players that were injured most or all of last year, and would represent a good value this year. I am especially interested b/c of my brutal salary cap IDP keeper league.

A couple I will be keeping an eye on:

DL: Calvin Pace

LB: ?

DB: Donovan Darius, Mike Rumph

got any more? DISCUSS!
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Some of these guys may fit your criteria.DL/ Kenechi Udeze, Matt Roth, Kris Jenkins

LB/ Gerald Hayes, Anthony Simmons, Shawn Barber, Alfred Fincher, Teddy Lehman, Boss Bailey, (Takeo Spikes and Ed Hartwell)

DB/ Rodney Harrison, Shaun Williams, Madieu Williams, Ken Hamlin, Antrel Rolle, Gary Baxter, Jerametrius Butler
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Jene has a really good list here ... :thumbup:
 
Pay attention to how your league lists Rosie Colvin in NE. If they allow you to use him as a DE, he should give you low LB tackle numbers. MFL currently lists him as a DE.
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I have Colvin in one league on MFL and he i listed there as a LB. Will that change?
 
Pay attention to how your league lists Rosie Colvin in NE.  If they allow you to use him as a DE, he should give you low LB tackle numbers.  MFL currently lists him as a DE.
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I have Colvin in one league on MFL and he i listed there as a LB. Will that change?
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Very doubtful.
 
Pay attention to how your league lists Rosie Colvin in NE. If they allow you to use him as a DE, he should give you low LB tackle numbers. MFL currently lists him as a DE.
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Why on earth would they list him as a DE? I understand the 3-4 DE/OLB thing, but has there ever even been a hint that he'd play anywhere but linebacker?
 
Vilma ...should finish top ten, but does not deserve to be the first LB off the board.
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I agree with the first half, but not the second.He probably won't finish first, but he has a better chance than anyone else IMO.

 
Spikes was mentioned already as was Simmons - those would be my two main LBs.

Pace is supposedly moving to LB (albeit SLB) so there's another one.

Looking at this from the angle of who to avoid - I think Jay Foreman is done.

 
Eric Barton could be a sleeper at LB. He was hurt most of last year but has always posted solid tackle numbers.

 
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Donovan Darius @ Safety

anthony Henry @ cb in league that separate the position

Jeff Ulbrich @ LB waiver wire pick-up or extremely late(3-4 ILB)

Jay Bellamy/Dwight Smith watch to see who starts and at what position

Lawyer Malloy @ S

Madieu Williamd @ S

 
Donovan Darius @ Safety

anthony Henry @ cb in league that separate the position

Jeff Ulbrich @ LB waiver wire pick-up or extremely late(3-4 ILB)

Jay Bellamy/Dwight Smith watch to see who starts and at what position

Lawyer Malloy @ S

Madieu Williamd @ S
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Already had Darius on my draft list (2 more picks and he's mine) and Ulbrich on my watch list! :thumbup: Thanks for the post!
 
DL: Erasmus James, Reggie Hayward, Rob Ninkovich, maybe Cornelius Griffin.

LB: Dan Morgan ( :scared: ), Pisa Tinoisamoa, Marcus Washington

DB: Nick Ferguson, Donovin Darius (pending signing), Roman Harper

There are also plenty of established stud vets coming off injury that might be had for good value, although they won't have "sleeper" status.

 
I guess we'll maintain this thread as the veteran IDP thread.

A name I'll throw into the mix is DE Andre Carter. He was both learning a new defense and (re)learning the 4-3 DE spot when he came to the 'Skins last year from Mike Nolan's 3-4 defense in SF, but in my two IDP leagues (both of which break out DE's from DT's) he was the 6th and 4th ranked DE over the last six weeks of the 2006 season. To give an idea of the pace, those stats would project to 83 tackles, 16 assists, and 11 sacks over a full season.

That defense was a wreck with injuries and can only do better, notwithstanding that they didn't address their biggest area of need on the DL. While I don't think he'll maintain the pace he had over the last six games of last season, I do think he's a solid 8-10 sack DE who will have his share of tackles, probably in the 45-60 range. He's good value.

 
redman said:
I guess we'll maintain this thread as the veteran IDP thread.

A name I'll throw into the mix is DE Andre Carter. He was both learning a new defense and (re)learning the 4-3 DE spot when he came to the 'Skins last year from Mike Nolan's 3-4 defense in SF, but in my two IDP leagues (both of which break out DE's from DT's) he was the 6th and 4th ranked DE over the last six weeks of the 2006 season. To give an idea of the pace, those stats would project to 83 tackles, 16 assists, and 11 sacks over a full season.

That defense was a wreck with injuries and can only do better, notwithstanding that they didn't address their biggest area of need on the DL. While I don't think he'll maintain the pace he had over the last six games of last season, I do think he's a solid 8-10 sack DE who will have his share of tackles, probably in the 45-60 range. He's good value.
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:loco: Another guy that will likely not be on most people's radar is Cullen Jenkins

He'll be the DE opposite Kampman on running downs and is a good defender against the run. Then on passing downs, KGB will come in he'll move to DT where he is still a productive pass rusher.

I think he can put up decent numbers with 50-70 tackles and around 8-10 sacks. He'll definitely be my final round pick in my local IDP league.

 
Not a sexy pick, but Ellis Hobbs - DB - NE.

I do not see the Pats and Asante Samuel reconciling their differences, leaving Hobbs and (likely) Tory James as the starting CB's. One could assume that with James' experience, teams might want to pick on the less-experienced and less-confident Hobbs, who played his way out BB's dog house last year. He stepped it up a notch, especially at the end of the season.

With the Pats bringing pressure from everywhere, he will see his share of batted/errant throws and take them back to the house.

I can see 7 picks (some for TD's) and a host of PD's for him this year.

 
Last year's thread was for veteran players coming off a significant injury that folks may have forgotten about. I thought it was worth keeping separate in case there were questions about the injuries of the 2007 potentials. I'll amend the title to highlight the injury caveat.

 
Mike Peterson

Not sure if people forgot about him, but he's one of the best when healthy and should be fully healed.

 
I am not nearly the IDP expert as a lot of guys here so I will suggest a name for discussion. DE Michael Strahan is getting pretty old and coming off injury but he has been a top performer for many years. His age/injury last season might create some value for this year?

 
I'll add a cornerback to the list.

He didn't miss all of 2006, but he did miss 4 games (and sat out Week 17) - Lito Sheppard.

Extrapolating his points would put him in CB1 status (at least in Red Dog scoring) in a 16 team league.

In FBG scoring, he would have been in the 105-108 FP range with similar play (taking out game 1 where he was injured on the opening series and Week 17 where all the starters were pulled after Philly clinched the division - basically he played 11 games and posted 73 points), which would have him about CB28 or so.

Granted it is more of a PPG basis, but that's how I start players in most leagues anyway. In 11 games he had 6 INTs, so I'll take that from a corner. The only downside is that he's not that consistent of a fantasy scorer. More of a big play guy.

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
I'll add a cornerback to the list.He didn't miss all of 2006, but he did miss 4 games (and sat out Week 17) - Lito Sheppard.Extrapolating his points would put him in CB1 status (at least in Red Dog scoring) in a 16 team league.In FBG scoring, he would have been in the 105-108 FP range with similar play (taking out game 1 where he was injured on the opening series and Week 17 where all the starters were pulled after Philly clinched the division - basically he played 11 games and posted 73 points), which would have him about CB28 or so.Granted it is more of a PPG basis, but that's how I start players in most leagues anyway. In 11 games he had 6 INTs, so I'll take that from a corner. The only downside is that he's not that consistent of a fantasy scorer. More of a big play guy.
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sheppard's stats were skewed by that insane game he had against Dallas, including a TD return on an INT on the last play of the game IIRC. I like Sheldon Brown better.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
I'll add a cornerback to the list.He didn't miss all of 2006, but he did miss 4 games (and sat out Week 17) - Lito Sheppard.Extrapolating his points would put him in CB1 status (at least in Red Dog scoring) in a 16 team league.In FBG scoring, he would have been in the 105-108 FP range with similar play (taking out game 1 where he was injured on the opening series and Week 17 where all the starters were pulled after Philly clinched the division - basically he played 11 games and posted 73 points), which would have him about CB28 or so.Granted it is more of a PPG basis, but that's how I start players in most leagues anyway. In 11 games he had 6 INTs, so I'll take that from a corner. The only downside is that he's not that consistent of a fantasy scorer. More of a big play guy.
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sheppard's stats were skewed by that insane game he had against Dallas, including a TD return on an INT on the last play of the game IIRC. I like Sheldon Brown better.
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I like both, but it really depends on your league scoring and your want/ need of a big play guy.Lito had 5 games with INTs. Yes he went nuts in the Dallas game, but you can say that often about a player (remove one game and...)Just breaking it down, Brown vs. Sheppard:Brown:
9 games with 3 FP or less (and I'm throwing out Week 17, for apples to apples).

4 games with 6 or more FP

Sheppard:
3 games with 3 FP or less (and I'm throwing out Week 17, for apples to apples).

6 games with 6 or more FP

(and Brown played the entire season)
 
Angelo Crowell. Even though he may be a sam he has a lot of upside. If someone gets hurt he could move to any LB position.

redman said:
I guess we'll maintain this thread as the veteran IDP thread.

A name I'll throw into the mix is DE Andre Carter. He was both learning a new defense and (re)learning the 4-3 DE spot when he came to the 'Skins last year from Mike Nolan's 3-4 defense in SF, but in my two IDP leagues (both of which break out DE's from DT's) he was the 6th and 4th ranked DE over the last six weeks of the 2006 season.
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In the last 5 games he had 27 tackles, 6 assists and 4 sacks.
 
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Jeff Pasquino said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
I'll add a cornerback to the list.He didn't miss all of 2006, but he did miss 4 games (and sat out Week 17) - Lito Sheppard.Extrapolating his points would put him in CB1 status (at least in Red Dog scoring) in a 16 team league.In FBG scoring, he would have been in the 105-108 FP range with similar play (taking out game 1 where he was injured on the opening series and Week 17 where all the starters were pulled after Philly clinched the division - basically he played 11 games and posted 73 points), which would have him about CB28 or so.Granted it is more of a PPG basis, but that's how I start players in most leagues anyway. In 11 games he had 6 INTs, so I'll take that from a corner. The only downside is that he's not that consistent of a fantasy scorer. More of a big play guy.
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sheppard's stats were skewed by that insane game he had against Dallas, including a TD return on an INT on the last play of the game IIRC. I like Sheldon Brown better.
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I like both, but it really depends on your league scoring and your want/ need of a big play guy.Lito had 5 games with INTs. Yes he went nuts in the Dallas game, but you can say that often about a player (remove one game and...)Just breaking it down, Brown vs. Sheppard:Brown:
9 games with 3 FP or less (and I'm throwing out Week 17, for apples to apples).

4 games with 6 or more FP

Sheppard:
3 games with 3 FP or less (and I'm throwing out Week 17, for apples to apples).

6 games with 6 or more FP

(and Brown played the entire season)
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I wont disagree that Brown had a down year, his worst in a long time. Part of it is due to some injuries, but part isn't - although his bad 2006, both statistically and on the field, makes him a more stealthy sleeper. If Brown can get back to form, he's already shown he can be a solid fantasy DB with a finish of DB31 in 2005, and DB17 in 2004. Sheppard has never finished higher than DB53 in FBG scoring over a full season. He did have a nice year last year on PPG basis, but I doubt anyone had him in for his yahtzee game against Dallas since he had missed the previous 3 games. I think Brown is the better bet for a good fantasy year because he's more aggressive and a better tackler in run support and he can be just as good a ballhawk as Sheppard
 
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Angelo Crowell. Even though he may be a sam he has a lot of upside. If someone gets hurt he could move to any LB position.
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:goodposting: Crowell should be an LB3 with upside, even on the strong side, because he's a good playmaker, and he'll be on the field for every down.
 
Former Lion James Hall, now with the Rams. First, he is playing opposite Leonard Little, who will draw a lot more attention. He is a solid run defender. Last year, he only played in 7 games, and he was on a pace which would have put him in the top 25 DL's in FBG scoring. The 3 previous seasons he finished 23rd, 8th and 30th. He is under the radar.

 
This guy isn't much of a sleeper if you paid any attention in January, but based purely off of 2006 regular season some owners (i.e. your guppy league guys) will overlook Bob Sanders.

Finished out of the Top 100 last year but projected to be a DB1.

 
IIRC, reports have Chad Greenway looking good in MIN OTAs.

Also, does Jevon Kearse have anything left in the tank?

These are two more guys that will fly under the average casual league's radar.

 
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Mike PetersonNot sure if people forgot about him, but he's one of the best when healthy and should be fully healed.
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:thumbup: I think Peterson is highly overrated. I'm a Jags fan and I swear every game I've watched him play he might have 5 or 6 tackles. Those statisticians in Jacksonville must be very generous in the way they hand out tackles and assists.I ended up trading him away because as a Jags fan I was disappointed in his play. Turned out pretty good for me because he went on to get injured. Those torn pectorals are hard to gauge as far as whether he can come all the way back. Just ask Patrick Kerney. :goodposting:
 
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Sigmund Bloom said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
Jeff Pasquino said:
I'll add a cornerback to the list.

He didn't miss all of 2006, but he did miss 4 games (and sat out Week 17) - Lito Sheppard.

Extrapolating his points would put him in CB1 status (at least in Red Dog scoring) in a 16 team league.

In FBG scoring, he would have been in the 105-108 FP range with similar play (taking out game 1 where he was injured on the opening series and Week 17 where all the starters were pulled after Philly clinched the division - basically he played 11 games and posted 73 points), which would have him about CB28 or so.

Granted it is more of a PPG basis, but that's how I start players in most leagues anyway. In 11 games he had 6 INTs, so I'll take that from a corner. The only downside is that he's not that consistent of a fantasy scorer. More of a big play guy.
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sheppard's stats were skewed by that insane game he had against Dallas, including a TD return on an INT on the last play of the game IIRC. I like Sheldon Brown better.
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I like both, but it really depends on your league scoring and your want/ need of a big play guy.Lito had 5 games with INTs. Yes he went nuts in the Dallas game, but you can say that often about a player (remove one game and...)

Just breaking it down, Brown vs. Sheppard:

Brown:

9 games with 3 FP or less (and I'm throwing out Week 17, for apples to apples).

4 games with 6 or more FP

Sheppard:
3 games with 3 FP or less (and I'm throwing out Week 17, for apples to apples).

6 games with 6 or more FP

(and Brown played the entire season)
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I wont disagree that Brown had a down year, his worst in a long time. Part of it is due to some injuries, but part isn't - although his bad 2006, both statistically and on the field, makes him a more stealthy sleeper. If Brown can get back to form, he's already shown he can be a solid fantasy DB with a finish of DB31 in 2005, and DB17 in 2004. Sheppard has never finished higher than DB53 in FBG scoring over a full season. He did have a nice year last year on PPG basis, but I doubt anyone had him in for his yahtzee game against Dallas since he had missed the previous 3 games. I think Brown is the better bet for a good fantasy year because he's more aggressive and a better tackler in run support and he can be just as good a ballhawk as Sheppard
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Lito is the better CB which makes Brown the better Fantasy CB.Early quotes from Jim Johnson said the Will James will be able to challenge Brown for the starting job as well as rumors of Brown moving to CB. That doesn't sound like a firmly entrenched stud CB to me.

Personally I wouldn't want either guy unless I had to play a CB and then I would rather have Lito. Having watched every Eagles game, I don't agree with your comment that Brown is more aggressive or a better tackler. I know he gets more tackles because they throw at him more (which is what you want for points) but he is not the better CB.

 
Mpudi said:
Also, does Jevon Kearse have anything left in the tank?
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Doesn't look too good. He may be fading like KGB. Injuries and being too light is now the issue. I would take a real late flier on him in deep leagues if I took him at all.
 
Zoomanji said:
Mpudi said:
Also, does Jevon Kearse have anything left in the tank?
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Doesn't look too good. He may be fading like KGB. Injuries and being too light is now the issue. I would take a real late flier on him in deep leagues if I took him at all.
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I think this is a tad gloomy here. True, if you're looking for a 16-game starter, then Kearse is not your man. OTOH, he was an absolute world-beater when he was in the lineup. His PPG was second only to Jason Taylor through 2 weeks when he went down (and actually he lost the second half of the second game IIRC). I was watching that week 2 game and he was moving like he did when he was a rookie. I've heard nothing bad about his rehab course. I think you take Kearse and start him for as many games as you can get out of him, but simply know that you need to grab another option for depth. With saavy drafting you could end up with a guy like Geathers as your 3rd DE, which wouldn't be bad at all.
 
redman said:
Zoomanji said:
Mpudi said:
Also, does Jevon Kearse have anything left in the tank?
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Doesn't look too good. He may be fading like KGB. Injuries and being too light is now the issue. I would take a real late flier on him in deep leagues if I took him at all.
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I think this is a tad gloomy here. True, if you're looking for a 16-game starter, then Kearse is not your man. OTOH, he was an absolute world-beater when he was in the lineup. His PPG was second only to Jason Taylor through 2 weeks when he went down (and actually he lost the second half of the second game IIRC). I was watching that week 2 game and he was moving like he did when he was a rookie. I've heard nothing bad about his rehab course. I think you take Kearse and start him for as many games as you can get out of him, but simply know that you need to grab another option for depth. With saavy drafting you could end up with a guy like Geathers as your 3rd DE, which wouldn't be bad at all.
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All Philly fans are gloomy :shrug: Found this on the Eagles Web site Here

He worked throughout the spring drills with no signs of limitations. Kearse is the starter on the left side, opposite the combination of Trent Cole and Darren Howard on the right side. Kearse looked quick, and he played with confidence on his surgically-repaired knee. While his weight wasn't where he wants it to be in a month's time – Kearse thinks he will report to Lehigh University between 250 and 255 pounds – The Freak doesn't have concerns about his bulk. As long as he has quickness, the reasoning goes, Kearse will be effective.

That said, Kearse is part of a rotation now, one the Eagles think they will employ with confidence throughout the season. Look for the team to work both Kearse and Thomas in at left end, and if they need to go heavy, they can use the 275-pound Abiamiri. Cole and Howard appear to be the primary ends on the right side.

Ideally, Kearse would play in the range of 40-45 snaps per game to keep him fresh and springy off the edge. Too many games of 60-plus snaps could wear him down.
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Zoomanji said:
redman said:
Zoomanji said:
Mpudi said:
Also, does Jevon Kearse have anything left in the tank?
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Doesn't look too good. He may be fading like KGB. Injuries and being too light is now the issue. I would take a real late flier on him in deep leagues if I took him at all.
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I think this is a tad gloomy here. True, if you're looking for a 16-game starter, then Kearse is not your man. OTOH, he was an absolute world-beater when he was in the lineup. His PPG was second only to Jason Taylor through 2 weeks when he went down (and actually he lost the second half of the second game IIRC). I was watching that week 2 game and he was moving like he did when he was a rookie. I've heard nothing bad about his rehab course. I think you take Kearse and start him for as many games as you can get out of him, but simply know that you need to grab another option for depth. With saavy drafting you could end up with a guy like Geathers as your 3rd DE, which wouldn't be bad at all.
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All Philly fans are gloomy :unsure: Found this on the Eagles Web site Here

He worked throughout the spring drills with no signs of limitations. Kearse is the starter on the left side, opposite the combination of Trent Cole and Darren Howard on the right side. Kearse looked quick, and he played with confidence on his surgically-repaired knee. While his weight wasn't where he wants it to be in a month's time – Kearse thinks he will report to Lehigh University between 250 and 255 pounds – The Freak doesn't have concerns about his bulk. As long as he has quickness, the reasoning goes, Kearse will be effective.

That said, Kearse is part of a rotation now, one the Eagles think they will employ with confidence throughout the season. Look for the team to work both Kearse and Thomas in at left end, and if they need to go heavy, they can use the 275-pound Abiamiri. Cole and Howard appear to be the primary ends on the right side.

Ideally, Kearse would play in the range of 40-45 snaps per game to keep him fresh and springy off the edge. Too many games of 60-plus snaps could wear him down.
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A healthy Kearse can be a nice player, but his limited playtime may be an issue for some.Personally I like the rotation as it is good for the real Eagles (not FF here) and keeps everyone fresh for the game and all 4 quarters.

Kearse's impact will be dependent on 3 things:

1. The opposite DE and how well he does (i.e. does Kearse get doubled or singled with Howard or Cole in the game).

2. How well the DTs stuff the run (Patterson and Bunkley, I'm talking to you two)

3. How well the LBs play. That's a more subtle one, but if there's a perceived weak link in the front seven, teams will try and exploit it. That'll impact how "in on the play" Kearse will be.

I don't think his health will be a concern that much because his injury was a hit and not a chronic type issue, and like others have said he looks back and ready to go in OTAs already.

I don't necessarily want to rely on him, but he's a nice pickup with upside.

 
Just thought up another one after browsing through some injury lists from last year...

Reggie Hayward DL JAX should have some value I think.

Will see what else I can dig up

 
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