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Tiki Barber and the #5 spot (1 Viewer)

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Assuming LJ, SA, LT2 and Portis are the first 4 to go, is Tiki really the guy to grab at 5? I know Tiki's history and how under estimated hes been every year. This year is different and he wont fly under the radar, he's also the dreadful 31 years of age at RB, hes playing in a tough division and has a possible TD vulture behind him!

Now assuming he can shake of the age question (which I think is a big concern), he should be able to put up great yardage numbers, we know this. TD's will be down though, I say from the 7-10 range is where he'll total. Therefore would he really at years end be the 5th best RB?!?! 2005 was his "career year" and his absolute ceiling IMO! At a spot like pick # 5, with the risk is it worth it to take this guy. Other Rb's to consider are guys like Edge, SJax, Caddy, Brown, Jordan and maybe Rudi. Each of all those RB's have their own question marks as well. So basically after those top 4, do you have to take Tiki, or would it be crazy to go a different route????

 
Tiki Barber will be worth the #5 draft pick up until the year he is not worth the #5 draft pick.

Sounds stupid, but it's damn true.

For some people, his age plus double consecutive career highs in carries & yards make him a big risk.

For others, the fact that he's been lights out 3 of the last 4 years weighs more heavily in their rankings.

He doesn't appear to have lost a step last year, so I doubt he just falls off a cliff.

 
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Since he is finally going in the 1st round, I am little wary of the hype jinx. But he should be just as productive this year as last especially in PPR leagues. They say Jacobs will steal goal line but Tiki scores most of his TDs from outside the 5 anyway.

 
Assuming LJ, SA, LT2 and Portis are the first 4 to go, is Tiki really the guy to grab at 5? I know Tiki's history and how under estimated hes been every year. This year is different and he wont fly under the radar, he's also the dreadful 31 years of age at RB, hes playing in a tough division and has a possible TD vulture behind him!

Now assuming he can shake of the age question (which I think is a big concern), he should be able to put up great yardage numbers, we know this. TD's will be down though, I say from the 7-10 range is where he'll total. Therefore would he really at years end be the 5th best RB?!?! 2005 was his "career year" and his absolute ceiling IMO! At a spot like pick # 5, with the risk is it worth it to take this guy. Other Rb's to consider are guys like Edge, SJax, Caddy, Brown, Jordan and maybe Rudi. Each of all those RB's have their own question marks as well. So basically after those top 4, do you have to take Tiki, or would it be crazy to go a different route????
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i'm taking tiki 4th ahead of portis
 
I'd like to hear some opinions on strategy from the 5 spot...

I think it's a great position to be in. I've seen the following in 10-man leagues:

Tiki / WR (TO, Holt, CJ) / RB (K. Jones, J. Lewis) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, Gonzo

Tiki / RB (McGahee, and I've even seen Westbrook here) / WR or TE (Gates, Boldin) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, Gonzo

Needless to say, I love how these teams look. Any thoughts?

 
I'd like to hear some opinions on strategy from the 5 spot...

I think it's a great position to be in. I've seen the following in 10-man leagues:

Tiki / WR (TO, Holt, CJ) / RB (K. Jones, J. Lewis) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, Gonzo

Tiki / RB (McGahee, and I've even seen Westbrook here) / WR or TE (Gates, Boldin) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, Gonzo

Needless to say, I love how these teams look. Any thoughts?
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I traded 10 and 11 in my league for 5 and 14. I am hoping for Portis.I've got concerns about Tiki. There is his age, but mostly Brandon Jacobs. If Jacobs has the kind of camp he had last year, I think he carries the ball on every play inside the 5 and 10-12 carries a game. The thing to watch beyond his gl rushing are his fumbles. He had a few killer ones in game situations last year. Coughlin, Accorsi, etc, are as afraid of overworking Tiki as anyone, and have always looked to find a big man (Dayne, famously) to take some of the pounding off Barber.

If Jacobs looks good, forget about Tiki being in the top 5 RBs at year end. My second choice, if Clint is gone, is either SJax, Caddy, or maybe even Ronnie Brown.

At 15, your golden. You get TO, CJ, or Holt and love life.

 
I'd like to hear some opinions on strategy from the 5 spot...

I think it's a great position to be in. I've seen the following in 10-man leagues:

Tiki / WR (TO, Holt, CJ) / RB (K. Jones, J. Lewis) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, Gonzo

Tiki / RB (McGahee, and I've even seen Westbrook here) / WR or TE (Gates, Boldin) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, Gonzo

Needless to say, I love how these teams look. Any thoughts?
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I traded 10 and 11 in my league for 5 and 14. I am hoping for Portis.I've got concerns about Tiki. There is his age, but mostly Brandon Jacobs. If Jacobs has the kind of camp he had last year, I think he carries the ball on every play inside the 5 and 10-12 carries a game. The thing to watch beyond his gl rushing are his fumbles. He had a few killer ones in game situations last year. Coughlin, Accorsi, etc, are as afraid of overworking Tiki as anyone, and have always looked to find a big man (Dayne, famously) to take some of the pounding off Barber.

If Jacobs looks good, forget about Tiki being in the top 5 RBs at year end. My second choice, if Clint is gone, is either SJax, Caddy, or maybe even Ronnie Brown.

At 15, your golden. You get TO, CJ, or Holt and love life.
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:thumbup: I agree I am totally not that high on Tiki, unless the pre season really shows something different. I too am VERY high on R.Brown, especially with Cpep out there. I like SJax as well, but the Rams as a team concern me more than the Dolphins.........
 
Tiki Barber will be worth the #5 draft pick up until the year he is not worth the #5 draft pick.

Sounds stupid, but it's damn true.

For some people, his age plus double consecutive career highs in carries & yards make him a big risk.

For others, the fact that he's been lights out 3 of the last 4 years weighs more heavily in their rankings.

He doesn't appear to have lost a step last year, so I doubt he just falls off a cliff.
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Or #4. In a re-draft league he may be better than Portis depending on scoring.
 
Tiki is one of the players I am really trying to avoid at all costs this year. When I had the 5th pick I moved back to 10th so I would not have to deal with him. There are enough people out there that will jump at the chance to draft Tiki so you shouldn't have any problems trading down if you are not comfortable with him.

 
I have the number 1 pick in our keeper draft and Tikki is the obvious free agent choice. I am not sure that I am happy about drafting him. I share the same fear, but still view him as less rick than an S Jax, Caddy, or Brown.... simply because he has already done what the others are attempting to do.

I am not intending to hijack, but I have thought about this a lot because I face a Bush/Barber question in a keeper league. I fully expect the wise decision is to see what pre season holds.

 
I think its also wise to really take your leagues scoring situation into account. I have more of a td/heavy system, without ppr, and I really like Rudi Johnson at 5. I love R. Browns rush scedule this year. very soft. The last thing I hate is watching a football game and seeing your first draft pick get pulled when its first and goal on the 1.

 
I think its also wise to really take your leagues scoring situation into account. I have more of a td/heavy system, without ppr, and I really like Rudi Johnson at 5. I love R. Browns rush scedule this year. very soft. The last thing I hate is watching a football game and seeing your first draft pick get pulled when its first and goal on the 1.
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I agree..... considering a ppr league though at only .25 pts per rec, i cant see rudi being taken that high. I think R.Brown has great opportunity to really make a mark as well!!! In a redraft I just think Tiki is risky, not to mention he had over 400 touches last season and history and odds show that when a rb's load is to that amount of touches, usually his touches decreased the following year significantly. Oh and the fact he will be 31......
 
I'd like to hear some opinions on strategy from the 5 spot...

I think it's a great position to be in. I've seen the following in 10-man leagues:

Tiki / WR (TO, Holt, CJ) / RB (K. Jones, J. Lewis) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, Gonzo

Tiki / RB (McGahee, and I've even seen Westbrook here) / WR or TE (Gates, Boldin) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, Gonzo

Needless to say, I love how these teams look. Any thoughts?
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I have the #5 slot in a 10 man league. Right now I am going to assume that Portis will go #4 and I would right now pick Tiki cause nobody right now is worthy of that #5 spot. Hype is what will get a player ranked above Tiki cause nobody has produced yet to deserve that spot. There are waaay too many ???? with Sjax and Edge and they are the only others I would consider at #5.But back to your mocks draft results you are seeing. I am thrilled to get a Tiki and in the 2nd be guaranteed Holt, TO, CJ or Fitz. Unless a RB in the tier of R. Brown/Caddy somehow slips to me in the 2nd I will go stud WR in the 2nd. I won't settle for mediocre #2 RB over a stud WR.

 
Tiki Barber will be worth the #5 draft pick up until the year he is not worth the #5 draft pick.

Sounds stupid, but it's damn true.

For some people, his age plus double consecutive career highs in carries & yards make him a big risk.

For others, the fact that he's been lights out 3 of the last 4 years weighs more heavily in their rankings.

He doesn't appear to have lost a step last year, so I doubt he just falls off a cliff.
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Or #4. In a re-draft league he may be better than Portis depending on scoring.
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The guy with 5 in my league felt the same way, and had a lot of trouble trading that pick. I ended up getting it (1.5, 4.8 for 2.6,3.7 : a GREAT value) and taking Tiki. I followed that up with SJax at 7, and obviously I feel I am set at RB.I have some concern with the fact that the Giants are playing the 2nd toughest defensive schedule next year, and BJ possibly stealing more GL carries, but I figure Tiki has fewer ?'s then many of the 4-10 RBs and I don't see him dropping off that much from last year's numbers, worst case.

As for Jacobs, I own him in both of my Dynasty leagues, so I watched him quite a bit last year. To be honest, I am really disappointed in his skill set. Maybe he'll develop, but right now, I think I'd leave Tiki in at the GL if I were the coach.

 
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I'd like to hear some opinions on strategy from the 5 spot...

I think it's a great position to be in. I've seen the following in 10-man leagues:

Tiki / WR (TO, Holt, CJ) / RB (K. Jones, J. Lewis) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, Gonzo

Tiki / RB (McGahee, and I've even seen Westbrook here) / WR or TE (Gates, Boldin) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, Gonzo

Needless to say, I love how these teams look. Any thoughts?
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I have the #5 slot in a 10 man league. Right now I am going to assume that Portis will go #4 and I would right now pick Tiki cause nobody right now is worthy of that #5 spot. Hype is what will get a player ranked above Tiki cause nobody has produced yet to deserve that spot. There are waaay too many ???? with Sjax and Edge and they are the only others I would consider at #5.But back to your mocks draft results you are seeing. I am thrilled to get a Tiki and in the 2nd be guaranteed Holt, TO, CJ or Fitz. Unless a RB in the tier of R. Brown/Caddy somehow slips to me in the 2nd I will go stud WR in the 2nd. I won't settle for mediocre #2 RB over a stud WR.
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Just drew the #5 slot in a ten-teamer last night, so I would gladly take Portis or Tiki, whoever is left...It's kind of a no decision point where you can just focus on the next rounds. Personally I am loving it.
 
Assuming LJ, SA, LT2 and Portis are the first 4 to go, is Tiki really the guy to grab at 5? I know Tiki's history and how under estimated hes been every year. This year is different and he wont fly under the radar, he's also the dreadful 31 years of age at RB, hes playing in a tough division and has a possible TD vulture behind him!

Now assuming he can shake of the age question (which I think is a big concern), he should be able to put up great yardage numbers, we know this. TD's will be down though, I say from the 7-10 range is where he'll total. Therefore would he really at years end be the 5th best RB?!?! 2005 was his "career year" and his absolute ceiling IMO! At a spot like pick # 5, with the risk is it worth it to take this guy. Other Rb's to consider are guys like Edge, SJax, Caddy, Brown, Jordan and maybe Rudi. Each of all those RB's have their own question marks as well. So basically after those top 4, do you have to take Tiki, or would it be crazy to go a different route????
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i'm taking tiki 4th ahead of portis
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I think that could be a good move. For the past two years Tiki has been right with SA and LT in scoring, and the dropoff from him to Portis has been pretty significant. Here are the 05 differences from two HP scoring leagues, one with .5 ppr, the other with 2-point bonuses for 100 yard ru and rec games:ppr: Tiki 337, Portis 261.55

bonus: Tiki 323, Portis 261.88

signifcant dropoffs in both formats. Makes me wonder why everyone assumes Portis is such a surefire no. 4 ahead of him.

 
Tiki Barber will be worth the #5 draft pick up until the year he is not worth the #5 draft pick.

Sounds stupid, but it's damn true.

For some people, his age plus double consecutive career highs in carries & yards make him a big risk.

For others, the fact that he's been lights out 3 of the last 4 years weighs more heavily in their rankings.

He doesn't appear to have lost a step last year, so I doubt he just falls off a cliff.
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Or #4. In a re-draft league he may be better than Portis depending on scoring.
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The guy with 5 in my league felt the same way, and had a lot of trouble trading that pick. I ended up getting it (1.5, 4.8 for 2.6,3.7 : a GREAT value) and taking Tiki. I followed that up with SJax at 7, and obviously I feel I am set at RB.I have some concern with the fact that the Giants are playing the 2nd toughest defensive schedule next year, and BJ possibly stealing more GL carries, but I figure Tiki has fewer ?'s then many of the 4-10 RBs and I don't see him dropping off that much from last year's numbers, worst case.

As for Jacobs, I own him in both of my Dynasty leagues, so I watched him quite a bit last year. To be honest, I am really disappointed in his skill set. Maybe he'll develop, but right now, I think I'd leave Tiki in at the GL if I were the coach.
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BJ saw very few carries the last 8 weeks and only 2 of his 7 TDs in that span, so I think the coach may be thinking the same thing. Bottom-line: if the game's on the line, Tiki is the surer bet not to fumble the ball at the 1.
 
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How I see drafts this year shaping up is

LJ

LT

SA

Tiki

Portis

at pick 6 you're SOL.. because whatever RB you'll get will be as good as the RB available at 12. Whatever WR you take will be as good as a WR available at 12. Or you could take Manning.

Either way I think Tiki is the clear choice. The drop off from him to Lamont/Jackson/Caddy/Rudi/whoever is significant.

 
Assuming LJ, SA, LT2 and Portis are the first 4 to go, is Tiki really the guy to grab at 5? I know Tiki's history and how under estimated hes been every year. This year is different and he wont fly under the radar, he's also the dreadful 31 years of age at RB, hes playing in a tough division and has a possible TD vulture behind him!

Now assuming he can shake of the age question (which I think is a big concern), he should be able to put up great yardage numbers, we know this. TD's will be down though, I say from the 7-10 range is where he'll total. Therefore would he really at years end be the 5th best RB?!?! 2005 was his "career year" and his absolute ceiling IMO! At a spot like pick # 5, with the risk is it worth it to take this guy. Other Rb's to consider are guys like Edge, SJax, Caddy, Brown, Jordan and maybe Rudi. Each of all those RB's have their own question marks as well. So basically after those top 4, do you have to take Tiki, or would it be crazy to go a different route????
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Tiki may be worth the #4 spot.
 
I think that could be a good move. For the past two years Tiki has been right with SA and LT in scoring, and the dropoff from him to Portis has been pretty significant. Here are the 05 differences from two HP scoring leagues, one with .5 ppr, the other with 2-point bonuses for 100 yard ru and rec games:

ppr: Tiki 337, Portis 261.55

bonus: Tiki 323, Portis 261.88

signifcant dropoffs in both formats. Makes me wonder why everyone assumes Portis is such a surefire no. 4 ahead of him.
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Things don't stay the same1) Barber is now 31, not a good age historically for RBs

2) Barber has a tougher schedule

3) Al Saunders as the new OC has been very friendly to RB's, so Portis may benefit

Either guy is a good pick, tho...you can't win a league with the first pick, but you can lose it. Both RB's have fewer ?'s than the RB's going after them, so they look like solid choices at the moment. Personnally, I'd love to get Tiki b/c my league is PPR.

 
Much has been made about the age factor but I truly believe Tiki will prove to be a valid exception to the 30+ rule. Tiki didn't log a lot of carries earlier in his career. He kinda has the Marcus Allen thing going for him in that regard. I can honestly say I've never seen the guy look stronger than he did in 2005. Some of you may recall that this time last year eveyone was saying not to overspend on Tiki as RB's coming off career years at his age rarely repeat. Well Tiki proved the doubters wrong.

I don't think an owner is making a mistake taking Tiki in the 5 spot. I do think he'll have a productive season. I don't think he hits last years numbers but part of that should be due to the Giants not having to rely on him as much. I think Eli will continue to develop and take some of that pressure off Barber.

All of this being said, I have both Portis and Steven Jackson ahead of Tiki in my redraft ranking.

 
then, at least in your opinion, wouldn't it be a mistake taking him at the five, assuming you have the big three ahead of it?

 
as youll recall people on here said the same thing about corey dillon last year & look what happened. FBG had him rankled #8 among RB's. yes i know he was injured, but he didnt do well when he was healthy. I'm not sold that tiki is a #5. lol maybe its because I had him the year he only scored 3 tds all season and had fumbleitus

 
as youll recall people on here said the same thing about corey dillon last year & look what happened.  FBG had him rankled #8 among RB's.  yes i know he was injured, but he didnt do well when he was healthy.  I'm not sold that tiki is a #5.  lol maybe its because I had him the year he only scored 3 tds all season and had fumbleitus
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Why'll I dont think Tiki will just plain out fall off a cliff, I think we cant soley continue to just look at last year and the year before and how hes done. Fact is1. He's had a HUGE workload the last two years including over 400+ touches last season. Odds usually say that RB's who recieve 400+ touches in year N will regress a significant amount and recieve less touches in year N+1. Now of course there could be many scenorios to this reasoning, such as injuries, key offensive players hurt, defence not playing well and a harder schedule in year N+1 than in year N.

2. The Giants face one of the hardest schedules in the league this season and play in the toughest division.

3. Tiki is the dreadful RB age of 31. I know, I know Tiki could be an exception to this age old rule, but I am looking at the odds of things and trying to accumilate it all up.

4. Tiki's ceiling was last year, no way in hell he repeats that performance again. By what margin he finishes up at is the real question. So only looking at last years numbers I dont think is being 100% real, I see his yards going down a bit while his TD's will by somewhere near 6-10 total.

5. You have the vulure of Brandon Jacobs. Yes he didnt get lots of looks down the stretch last season, But its a new year, Jacobs is in year #2, he should be more comfortable and more trustworthy with the coaching staff and the offense. He will ease some of the workload off of Tiki.

Tiki is ranked and expected to be picked around the 5 spot by default because of the last 2 years and the other potential RB's havent done what hes done YET. Also like last year, Priest was ranked around 4 or 5 by default as well by many people. We know how that turned out. That being said, I think #5 spot is a very tough position to be in IMHO.

 
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About the schedule, Barber and Portis only have 4 games that are different.

The obvious games are the division games Barber gets Washington twice and Portis gets the Giants twice.

The other 2 games are

Barber gets the Seahawks (wk 2) and the Bears (wk 10)

While Portis gets the Vikings (wk 1) and the Rams (wk 16)

 
After LT, LJ,SA and Portis is gone, I'd take Edge for few reasons.

1. He will get his touches somehow.

2. The WR should open up the box a lot.

3. Everything I've heard sounds like he wants to prove he's a great RB and it wasn't just the system at Indy.

4. Cake schedule!

5. Cake schedule, need to mention that twice.

 
Isn't the Redskins and Giants schedule almost identical? They play each other week #17 so one of their head to head goes out the door in a fantasy meaningless game.

So Tiki and Portis have similar opponents except for 3 games. Portis just about has as hard a schedule as Tiki. Tiki has outperformed Portis badly the alst 2 years and Tiki is the RB likely to still put up yardage even vs. Tough defenses cause of his receiving skills.

Here all the only differences in the 2 schedules, granted NYG teams are more difficult but it is only 3 games and SOS rankings goes out the window after week one every year in the NFL.

Portis:

STL

Minn

NYG

Tiki:

Sea

Chi

Wash

In summary, if you don't like Tiki over Portis cause of TD vulturing or the age factor...fine, but I am not buying the tougher schedule slant cause they essentially have the same schedule. And does it really matter....never bench your studs and the same should apply to drafting....don't pass on a stud in the draft based on last year's strength of schedule rankings projected to this year.

:coffee:

 
I still think that Tiki is the obvious pick here... and if you're uncomfortable with that, trade down. The real question is the 2nd round, and whether to grab a RB like McGahee or Westbrook or a stud WR like TO or CJ.

I'd like to hear some opinions on this...

 
I still think that Tiki is the obvious pick here... and if you're uncomfortable with that, trade down. The real question is the 2nd round, and whether to grab a RB like McGahee or Westbrook or a stud WR like TO or CJ.

I'd like to hear some opinions on this...
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Not even a question about 2nd rd, you have to go Stud WR unless a Brown slips to you in the second rd. I dont know, the closer I get to draft day the more leary I feel about Barber. I just dont know who I would take instead. Would love SJax but I really would like to get Holt in the 2nd rd and I dont want the same #1 RB/WR on the same team.
 
I have it narrowed to Tiki at 5 and Edge at the 6 slot for various reasons in my draft. I think there are less ?'s with Tiki and unless injured Tiki is a lock to put up a minimum of 1600 combined yards with a much higher ceiling than the other backs behind him. I will comfortably take those guranteed yards and then the TD's become bonus with Tiki. Time will only tell how many yards and TD's Edge will be able to muster up in Arizona so I feel Tiki will be the safer play.

Tiki's combined yards over the last 4 years are as follows:

1,984 yards

1,677 yards

2,096 yards

2,390 yards

Edge the other guy I have at 5 are as follows in those same 4 years (and this was in Indy a very friendly place to play)

1,343 yards

1,551 yards

2,031 yards

1,843 yards

These guys are both consistent but Edge is going to a new team, therefore I like Tiki at 5.

 
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I have it narrowed to Tiki at 5 and Edge at the 6 slot for various reasons in my draft. I think there are less ?'s with Tiki and unless injured Tiki is a lock to put up a minimum of 1600 combined yards with a much higher ceiling than the other backs behind him. I will comfortably take those guranteed yards and then the TD's become bonus with Tiki. Time will only tell how many yards and TD's Edge will be able to muster up in Arizona so I feel Tiki will be the safer play. Tiki's combined yards over the last 4 years are as follows:1,984 yards1,677 yards2,096 yards2,390 yardsEdge the other guy I have at 5 are as follows in those same 4 years (and this was in Indy a very friendly place to play)1,343 yards1,551 yards2,031 yards1,843 yardsThese guys are both consistent but Edge is going to a new team, therefore I like Tiki at 5.
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Can't argue with that thinking, you know Tiki is getting you 1600yds minimum barring injury of course,
 
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as youll recall people on here said the same thing about corey dillon last year & look what happened. FBG had him rankled #8 among RB's. yes i know he was injured, but he didnt do well when he was healthy. I'm not sold that tiki is a #5. lol maybe its because I had him the year he only scored 3 tds all season and had fumbleitus
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Why'll I dont think Tiki will just plain out fall off a cliff, I think we cant soley continue to just look at last year and the year before and how hes done. Fact is1. He's had a HUGE workload the last two years including over 400+ touches last season. Odds usually say that RB's who recieve 400+ touches in year N will regress a significant amount and recieve less touches in year N+1. Now of course there could be many scenorios to this reasoning, such as injuries, key offensive players hurt, defence not playing well and a harder schedule in year N+1 than in year N.

2. The Giants face one of the hardest schedules in the league this season and play in the toughest division.

3. Tiki is the dreadful RB age of 31. I know, I know Tiki could be an exception to this age old rule, but I am looking at the odds of things and trying to accumilate it all up.

4. Tiki's ceiling was last year, no way in hell he repeats that performance again. By what margin he finishes up at is the real question. So only looking at last years numbers I dont think is being 100% real, I see his yards going down a bit while his TD's will by somewhere near 6-10 total.

5. You have the vulure of Brandon Jacobs. Yes he didnt get lots of looks down the stretch last season, But its a new year, Jacobs is in year #2, he should be more comfortable and more trustworthy with the coaching staff and the offense. He will ease some of the workload off of Tiki.

Tiki is ranked and expected to be picked around the 5 spot by default because of the last 2 years and the other potential RB's havent done what hes done YET. Also like last year, Priest was ranked around 4 or 5 by default as well by many people. We know how that turned out. That being said, I think #5 spot is a very tough position to be in IMHO.
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Pretty much seems it all up, nice work. Barber is overrated this year. I think people are just too used to him being underrated to see it.
 
jurb26 said:
junk17 said:
as youll recall people on here said the same thing about corey dillon last year & look what happened. FBG had him rankled #8 among RB's. yes i know he was injured, but he didnt do well when he was healthy. I'm not sold that tiki is a #5. lol maybe its because I had him the year he only scored 3 tds all season and had fumbleitus
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Why'll I dont think Tiki will just plain out fall off a cliff, I think we cant soley continue to just look at last year and the year before and how hes done. Fact is1. He's had a HUGE workload the last two years including over 400+ touches last season. Odds usually say that RB's who recieve 400+ touches in year N will regress a significant amount and recieve less touches in year N+1. Now of course there could be many scenorios to this reasoning, such as injuries, key offensive players hurt, defence not playing well and a harder schedule in year N+1 than in year N.

2. The Giants face one of the hardest schedules in the league this season and play in the toughest division.

3. Tiki is the dreadful RB age of 31. I know, I know Tiki could be an exception to this age old rule, but I am looking at the odds of things and trying to accumilate it all up.

4. Tiki's ceiling was last year, no way in hell he repeats that performance again. By what margin he finishes up at is the real question. So only looking at last years numbers I dont think is being 100% real, I see his yards going down a bit while his TD's will by somewhere near 6-10 total.

5. You have the vulure of Brandon Jacobs. Yes he didnt get lots of looks down the stretch last season, But its a new year, Jacobs is in year #2, he should be more comfortable and more trustworthy with the coaching staff and the offense. He will ease some of the workload off of Tiki.

Tiki is ranked and expected to be picked around the 5 spot by default because of the last 2 years and the other potential RB's havent done what hes done YET. Also like last year, Priest was ranked around 4 or 5 by default as well by many people. We know how that turned out. That being said, I think #5 spot is a very tough position to be in IMHO.
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Pretty much seems it all up, nice work. Barber is overrated this year. I think people are just too used to him being underrated to see it.
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Tiki is the focal point of the Giant offense, an offense that completely lit it up last year. You can talk about the negatives on Tiki all you want, but at #5 I still have yet to have someone sell me on who should be at the 5 hole without any question marks attacehd to him.
 
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It is what it is said:
2005 NYG 16 16 357 1860 5.2 95 9 54 530 9.8 48 22004 NYG 16 14 322 1518 4.7 72 13 52 578 11.1 62 22003 NYG 16 16 278 1216 4.4 27 2 69 461 6.7 36 12002 NYG 16 15 304 1387 4.6 70 11 69 597 8.7 38 0Barber's numbers over 4 years as starting RB. Is Barber a 5.2 ypc kinda guy? Or closer to a 4.5 ypc kinda guy? 4.5 Will Barber have three 200 yard rushing games again this year? Will Barber have over 400 touches again in 2006?31? 31? 31? Is this the year he is done?
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Is Barber a 5.2 ypc kinda guy? Or closer to a 4.5 ypc kinda guy? 4.5 - 300 carries @ 4.5 = 1350 rushing ydsWill Barber have three 200 yard rushing games again this year? NoWill Barber have over 400 touches again in 2006? No31? 31? 31? Is this the year he is done? No[/quSo basically we have a 31 yo RB who will run for 1300-1400 yds catch for another 400-500 and score 8-10 TD'sWorthy of the 5th pick???? Where do I sign
 
Tiki bringing up the fact that he might retire after this season scares me.

It's kind of like a cop in a movie who only has a week to go until he can collect a pension. They usually die.

By that rationale, Tiki is gonna get hurt this year for chirping about retiring.

 
bentley said:
barndog said:
I like Tiki even at #4.My question: Is B Jacobs a must-draft handcuff?
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If you think Tiki is going to get hurt he is. Handcuffs are generally worthless.
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Priest drafters who didn't take LJ don't feel that way.I don't actually EXPECT Tiki to get hurt, just like I didn't expect S Smith to get hurt in the first game two years ago. These things happen, tho.The question really is: can Jacobs substitute ably for Tiki should he go down, ie will he produce similar numbers? I hear enough speculation about his flakiness that I wanted to solicit info about him.
 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Tiki bringing up the fact that he might retire after this season scares me.It's kind of like a cop in a movie who only has a week to go until he can collect a pension. They usually die.By that rationale, Tiki is gonna get hurt this year for chirping about retiring.
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I think a fair amount of that thinking is because he's so successful outside the football world right now (SIRIUS, etc).
 
barndog said:
bentley said:
barndog said:
I like Tiki even at #4.My question: Is B Jacobs a must-draft handcuff?
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If you think Tiki is going to get hurt he is. Handcuffs are generally worthless.
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Priest drafters who didn't take LJ don't feel that way.I don't actually EXPECT Tiki to get hurt, just like I didn't expect S Smith to get hurt in the first game two years ago. These things happen, tho.The question really is: can Jacobs substitute ably for Tiki should he go down, ie will he produce similar numbers? I hear enough speculation about his flakiness that I wanted to solicit info about him.
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No. But the guys who competed against Priest owners and drafted LJ do. If you think someone's going to get hurt, draft his backup, whether the original back is on your team or not.
 
TheLaw said:
I'd still take Portis here even with the new injury.
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Over Tiki? No way...Barber is now the lock, stock and barrel smart pick at 4. It would be a questionable move to presume Portis will give you 16 games at full strength, and you need that from him to justify taking him over Barber IMHO.
 
barndog said:
bentley said:
barndog said:
I like Tiki even at #4.My question: Is B Jacobs a must-draft handcuff?
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If you think Tiki is going to get hurt he is. Handcuffs are generally worthless.
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Priest drafters who didn't take LJ don't feel that way.I don't actually EXPECT Tiki to get hurt, just like I didn't expect S Smith to get hurt in the first game two years ago. These things happen, tho.The question really is: can Jacobs substitute ably for Tiki should he go down, ie will he produce similar numbers? I hear enough speculation about his flakiness that I wanted to solicit info about him.
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Jacobs is not an every down back . . . take him if you want, but expect mediocrity if Tiki goes down . . . of course, mediocrity is better than nothing . . .
 
Jason Wood said:
TheLaw said:
I'd still take Portis here even with the new injury.
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Over Tiki? No way...Barber is now the lock, stock and barrel smart pick at 4. It would be a questionable move to presume Portis will give you 16 games at full strength, and you need that from him to justify taking him over Barber IMHO.
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Barber is the lock for 1st round bust... other than that, if you're not happy about Portis it's time to start looking at R.Brown and Rudi.
 
((Morpheus)) said:
I'd like to hear some opinions on strategy from the 5 spot...I think it's a great position to be in. I've seen the following in 10-man leagues:Tiki / WR (TO, Holt, CJ) / RB (K. Jones, J. Lewis) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, GonzoTiki / RB (McGahee, and I've even seen Westbrook here) / WR or TE (Gates, Boldin) / WR (S. Moss, R. Williams, A. Johnson) / Foster, GonzoNeedless to say, I love how these teams look. Any thoughts?
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Saturday night in an IDP league I went:1. (5) T. Barber RB 2. (20) T. Holt WR 3. (29) R. Droughns RB 4. (44) T. Brady QB5. (53) D. Branch WR 6. (68) B. Urlacher DL 7. (77) F. Gore RB 8. (92) L. Coles WR 9. (101) T. Glenn WR
 
jurb26 said:
Jason Wood said:
TheLaw said:
I'd still take Portis here even with the new injury.
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Over Tiki? No way...Barber is now the lock, stock and barrel smart pick at 4. It would be a questionable move to presume Portis will give you 16 games at full strength, and you need that from him to justify taking him over Barber IMHO.
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Barber is the lock for 1st round bust... other than that, if you're not happy about Portis it's time to start looking at R.Brown and Rudi.
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On what Earthly plane is he the lock 1st round bust? Led the league in yards from scrimmage each of the last two seasons, has no injuries of note, his line returns intact as does his coaching staff and supporting cast. He could suffer a 30% degradation in his fantasy points and more than justify a 1st round pick.Are you looking into the magic crystal ball and predicting injury for an as-yet-healthy player?
 
My biggest ???? is.....

I have 2nd pick in a keep 3 (only 1 RB) league. Tiki is the best available on the board at the outset of the regular draft.

If the guy in front of me passes on Tiki do I snatch him up or do I take Bush in an attempt at getting my future RB for years to come......

Ahhh, the joys of fantasy football :banned:

 
Jason Wood said:
jurb26 said:
Jason Wood said:
TheLaw said:
I'd still take Portis here even with the new injury.
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Over Tiki? No way...Barber is now the lock, stock and barrel smart pick at 4. It would be a questionable move to presume Portis will give you 16 games at full strength, and you need that from him to justify taking him over Barber IMHO.
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Barber is the lock for 1st round bust... other than that, if you're not happy about Portis it's time to start looking at R.Brown and Rudi.
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On what Earthly plane is he the lock 1st round bust? Led the league in yards from scrimmage each of the last two seasons, has no injuries of note, his line returns intact as does his coaching staff and supporting cast. He could suffer a 30% degradation in his fantasy points and more than justify a 1st round pick.Are you looking into the magic crystal ball and predicting injury for an as-yet-healthy player?
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He easily has the highest bust potential of any 1st round pick. You know the arguements, they have been covered several times.
 
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