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CB Jimmy Williams likely to start (1 Viewer)

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atlantafalcons.com

From Jim Mora Q&A

Right now if everyone's healthy and we're going to go play, Jason (Webster) would kick in at the nickel and Jimmy Williams would go in at right corner.
Williams projects to have excellent value at baseline as a big corner who stuff the run and play the ball well. With DeAngelo Hall across from him, the rookie corner rule should apply as well. Pretty nice upside here.
 
Excellent news. The only thing that would let me wait too long is him being a Va Tech guy (we're in Richmond) so he's a little more of a known commodity around here, but he could easily end up in the top 15-20 DBs.

 
atlantafalcons.com

From Jim Mora Q&A

Right now if everyone's healthy and we're going to go play, Jason (Webster) would kick in at the nickel and Jimmy Williams would go in at right corner.
Williams projects to have excellent value at baseline as a big corner who stuff the run and play the ball well. With DeAngelo Hall across from him, the rookie corner rule should apply as well. Pretty nice upside here.
:pickle: All of that is why I drafted him. :)

 
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atlantafalcons.com

From Jim Mora Q&A

Right now if everyone's healthy and we're going to go play, Jason (Webster) would kick in at the nickel and Jimmy Williams would go in at right corner.
Williams projects to have excellent value at baseline as a big corner who stuff the run and play the ball well. With DeAngelo Hall across from him, the rookie corner rule should apply as well. Pretty nice upside here.
:pickle: All of that is why I drafted him. :)
Me too and right after drafting him I got trade offers. People were hoping he would drop a little further. No such luck.
 
atlantafalcons.com

From Jim Mora Q&A

Right now if everyone's healthy and we're going to go play, Jason (Webster) would kick in at the nickel and Jimmy Williams would go in at right corner.
Williams projects to have excellent value at baseline as a big corner who stuff the run and play the ball well. With DeAngelo Hall across from him, the rookie corner rule should apply as well. Pretty nice upside here.
Was attitude the only reason why he slipped to the second round? I can't remember but I think his 40 time was a little worse than expected, but I still can't believe he fell as far as he did. Middle of last year he was projected as a top 10 pick. He is a hot head, but sometimes this can be good if tamed correctly. I think a lot of teams are going to be kicking themselves for passing on him.
 
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atlantafalcons.com

From Jim Mora Q&A

Right now if everyone's healthy and we're going to go play, Jason (Webster) would kick in at the nickel and Jimmy Williams would go in at right corner.
Williams projects to have excellent value at baseline as a big corner who stuff the run and play the ball well. With DeAngelo Hall across from him, the rookie corner rule should apply as well. Pretty nice upside here.
:pickle: All of that is why I drafted him. :)
Me too and right after drafting him I got trade offers. People were hoping he would drop a little further. No such luck.
I got him at 5.04, which was pick #60. :pickle: No trade offers, though in our league that's not surprising.
 
atlantafalcons.com

From Jim Mora Q&A

Right now if everyone's healthy and we're going to go play, Jason (Webster) would kick in at the nickel and Jimmy Williams would go in at right corner.
Williams projects to have excellent value at baseline as a big corner who stuff the run and play the ball well. With DeAngelo Hall across from him, the rookie corner rule should apply as well. Pretty nice upside here.
:pickle: All of that is why I drafted him. :)
Me too and right after drafting him I got trade offers. People were hoping he would drop a little further. No such luck.
I got him at 5.04, which was pick #60. :pickle: No trade offers, though in our league that's not surprising.
About the same here, about 5.05.
 
Does Jimmy have some good dynasty value? Is he worth a roster spot? I know hes a corner but some corners like R. Barber and N. Clements seem to always put up solid stats.

The FBG experts dont even have him ranked in the top 77 for dynasty DBs or top 90 redraft DBs. Is there a reason they are so down on this guy? :confused:

 
Does Jimmy have some good dynasty value? Is he worth a roster spot? I know hes a corner but some corners like R. Barber and N. Clements seem to always put up solid stats.The FBG experts dont even have him ranked in the top 77 for dynasty DBs or top 90 redraft DBs. Is there a reason they are so down on this guy? :confused:
He's a large-sized rookie CB who is playing opposite a franchise caliber talent at the other CB spot in DeAngelo Hall. Enemy QB's figure to send him a lot of business, particularly this year given that he's a rookie, but I'd expect for that to be the trend even after this year. I like his size because it implies that he should be good in run support and overall tackling skills. So yeah, there's value here IMHO, and assuming he starts this year I could easily envision him ending in the top 10-15 CB's in overall points.
 
Micon said:
Does Jimmy have some good dynasty value? Is he worth a roster spot? I know hes a corner but some corners like R. Barber and N. Clements seem to always put up solid stats.The FBG experts dont even have him ranked in the top 77 for dynasty DBs or top 90 redraft DBs. Is there a reason they are so down on this guy? :confused:
He has dynasty value and is worth a roster spot depending on your league's scoring system.Not to speak for the rest of the crew, but I don't think we're "down" on him. I'm holding back bumping him significantly for a couple of reasons. He did start the first preseason game ahead of Webster as Mora suggested he would, but I'm waiting for definitve word that he's the opening weekend starter. Also, corners in aggressive schemes with solid players surrounding them sometimes aren't the best targets to have. I think Williams ends up being fine, but he's no lock for 70 tackles as a rookie. It's a risk-reward situation. There's decent risk that he's much worse than replacement value, but could have DB2 value if he's as pretty on the field as he is on paper.I think the small chance that he remains a nickel corner and the fact he's yet to prove his scouting report on the field is just enough to keep him out of most of our top 60 DBs. I bumped him from the mid 50s to the mid 40s in my dynasty rankings and he's just in my top 60 redraft in today's update.
 
Micon said:
Does Jimmy have some good dynasty value? Is he worth a roster spot? I know hes a corner but some corners like R. Barber and N. Clements seem to always put up solid stats.

The FBG experts dont even have him ranked in the top 77 for dynasty DBs or top 90 redraft DBs. Is there a reason they are so down on this guy? :confused:
He has dynasty value and is worth a roster spot depending on your league's scoring system.Not to speak for the rest of the crew, but I don't think we're "down" on him. I'm holding back bumping him significantly for a couple of reasons. He did start the first preseason game ahead of Webster as Mora suggested he would, but I'm waiting for definitve word that he's the opening weekend starter. Also, corners in aggressive schemes with solid players surrounding them sometimes aren't the best targets to have. I think Williams ends up being fine, but he's no lock for 70 tackles as a rookie. It's a risk-reward situation. There's decent risk that he's much worse than replacement value, but could have DB2 value if he's as pretty on the field as he is on paper.

I think the small chance that he remains a nickel corner and the fact he's yet to prove his scouting report on the field is just enough to keep him out of most of our top 60 DBs. I bumped him from the mid 50s to the mid 40s in my dynasty rankings and he's just in my top 60 redraft in today's update.
Please elaborate on the bolded part, above. :popcorn:
 
Micon said:
Does Jimmy have some good dynasty value? Is he worth a roster spot? I know hes a corner but some corners like R. Barber and N. Clements seem to always put up solid stats.

The FBG experts dont even have him ranked in the top 77 for dynasty DBs or top 90 redraft DBs. Is there a reason they are so down on this guy? :confused:
He has dynasty value and is worth a roster spot depending on your league's scoring system.Not to speak for the rest of the crew, but I don't think we're "down" on him. I'm holding back bumping him significantly for a couple of reasons. He did start the first preseason game ahead of Webster as Mora suggested he would, but I'm waiting for definitve word that he's the opening weekend starter. Also, corners in aggressive schemes with solid players surrounding them sometimes aren't the best targets to have. I think Williams ends up being fine, but he's no lock for 70 tackles as a rookie. It's a risk-reward situation. There's decent risk that he's much worse than replacement value, but could have DB2 value if he's as pretty on the field as he is on paper.

I think the small chance that he remains a nickel corner and the fact he's yet to prove his scouting report on the field is just enough to keep him out of most of our top 60 DBs. I bumped him from the mid 50s to the mid 40s in my dynasty rankings and he's just in my top 60 redraft in today's update.
Please elaborate on the bolded part, above. :popcorn:
All about consistency for me with corners. I want a skill set that'll be consistent in any scheme or a scheme that will make weaker or a certain profile of skill sets consistent. Setting the rookie corner rule aside for a bit with Williams, where are the tackles going to come from when you're surrounded by three solid run supporting linebackers, two solid nickel backers, and two improved safeties? That defense was a mess last year, with plenty of opportunities to make tackles in the secondary, but DeAngelo Hall couldn't top 60 solo tackles. He had three or fewer solo tackles in seven games and needed 6 picks and ten passes defended to approach the top 30 in FBG scoring. Webster did get 75 solos though.

I suppose I could be over-stating the impact of an "aggressive" scheme, but guys like Sheldon Brown and Marcus Trufant are both bigger corners with good surrounding casts in aggressive defenses that have been pretty inconsistent in their careers. I like Williams' potential, especially with his reputation of being a big time run-stuffer, but I'm just not in a rush to bump a player who hasn't proven he'll be a big tackle producer who's in a scheme that isn't favorable to corner production.

Will Williams be more consistent than guys like DeAngelo Hall or Marcus Trufant after his rookie corner luster wears off? If he plays to his scouting report, yes, I think he will be. Otherwise for IDP purposes you may rather have guys like Cedric Griffin or Ashton Youboty or Alan Zemaitis if any of them establish themselves as starters down the line in their Tampa-2 defenses.

 
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Ourlads still had Williams as the 2nd stringer when I checked today. Is this valid, and if so when if ever does he figure to become the starter? Are they merely easing him into the lineup?

 
PSA: Don't pay any attention to this old article....

Here's the latest I could find. Sounds similar to what we've been speculating during camp -- Webster is still considered the starter but won't play this week with that lingering foot injury. My guess would be that if Williams impresses or even holds his own, he stays with the ones.

ajc.com

The Falcons' top 2006 draft pick, cornerback Jimmy Williams, will start Friday's preseason opener against New England, coach Jim Mora said.

Mora had planned for veteran Jason Webster to start at right cornerback along with starting defensive backs DeAngelo Hall, Lawyer Milloy and Chris Crocker, but Webster has been bothered by a foot injury for most of training camp and has rarely practiced.

A bone scan showed no fractures to Webster's foot, and Mora said Webster probably could play, but coaches and the medical staff don't want to risk harm to a player who over the past three seasons has missed 18 games to injury.

Williams, drafted in the second round from Virginia Tech, has worked with the first-team defense for all but the first few days of training camp and has drastically improved, Mora said. Mora is eager to see the 6-foot-2, 208 pounder against New England's higher-caliber players.
 
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Wow, that article's almost 4 weeks old.

I'm going to do some digging myself and will report back.

 
Here you go. Sorry for the poor first link. CC's comments are interesting, but you'd still have to think Williams' time comes sooner than later. Falcons message board junkies are hoping he lines up against Keyshawn Johnson this week to eliminate some of the height advantage he'd have over Webster.

ajc.com

Starting right cornerback Jason Webster (foot) is probable to start at Carolina, Mora said. Webster didn't play against Jacksonville because of continued soreness in his foot. He has practiced sporadically and he was held out of a 38-10 exhibition loss at Green Bay because of the discomfort.
 
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Here you go. Sorry for the poor first link. CC's comments are interesting, but you'd still have to think Williams' time comes sooner than later. Falcons message board junkies are hoping he lines up against Keyshawn Johnson this week to eliminate some of the height advantage he'd have over Webster.

ajc.com

Starting right cornerback Jason Webster (foot) is probable to start at Carolina, Mora said. Webster didn't play against Jacksonville because of continued soreness in his foot. He has practiced sporadically and he was held out of a 38-10 exhibition loss at Green Bay because of the discomfort.
That's consistent with what I'm reading here (if you can wade through all the Panther fan - Falcon fan #### talking). The consensus is that Webster's health is still in question but that he may play; Williams in theory is a better matchup against Johnson based upon his size, but he's a rookie and man coverage is his weakness. Fortunately, they seem to play a lot of zone (Cover-2?), so he may see a fair amount of action.
 
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Here you go. Sorry for the poor first link. CC's comments are interesting, but you'd still have to think Williams' time comes sooner than later.
Agreed.Here's the piece I read a few days ago

Williams, a second-string cornerback and the nickel back for the Falcons, hopes to erase any talk about his character this season.

It's a matter of "making 'SportsCenter' in a good way -- not having my name flashed on the bottom for nothing that I shouldn't be doing, whether it be a ticket, drunk in public, things of that sort," he said. "Try to stay out of the news. If I go out and perform to my ability, I can make 'SportsCenter' and I will make a name for myself.

"All I can do is ... keep my nose clean."

Williams is not only concerned with doing well off the field. He is still trying to prove himself on the field.

"Some days I have a good practice, and some days I might think it's good but the coaching staff might find some little things," he said. "I'm just getting adjusted to the speed and the endurance. ... The difference between college and the pros is you've got to perform at a high level every play. I'm trying to step my game up."

Williams said he is a little tired. The long preseason seems to be taking its toll on him.

"He's kind of at a standstill. I think he hit the wall a little bit," Falcons coach Jim Mora said. "He's got very good talent, but right now we're not seeing the consistency nor the physical play that we want to see out of him. I don't think it's unnatural ... for this to happen at this point with a lot of these rookies.

"We really like him a lot. I want to see him climb over this wall."

Williams did not get rave reviews from his coaches in a film session Monday for his play in a 20-6 exhibition win over Tennessee last Saturday.

"I felt good out there in the Tennessee game. I was out there in my swagger," he said. "I was comfortable, not nervous, not really worried about a player beating me. I thought I had a good game. We came into film today and the way the coaches made it seem to me, my performance wasn't that great. I guess when I think I'm doing good, it still might not be enough. But I can take criticism."

Williams feels like a target in exhibition games.

"A lot of players are going to come at you," he said. "They want to show you up, being one of the top defensive backs coming into the NFL this year. The receivers, they figure I'm one of the top rookies, one of the top corners, so they want to beat me even more."

Mora said Williams is working hard and has a "fantastic attitude" but needs to improve his fundamentals, such as footwork and hand placement.
 
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So are we any closer to this happening? I could really use another starting CB as my starters head into their bye weeks.

 
So are we any closer to this happening? I could really use another starting CB as my starters head into their bye weeks.
I don't have any special insight, just watched two of the games pretty closely, and I vote NO. Jimmy Williams is not starting anytime soon. You might scrape a few points out of him in a pinch, but you're passing some corner with more opportunity for the potential future benefits here.
 

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