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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I have played FF since 1994 and have never used it. However I am considering using PPR but I would like to hear some of the pro's and cons of using PPR.
Kleck
Footballguy
I'm slapping together an article on PPR leagues. Lots of misunderstandings about the affect of this rule. Thought this poll might add in a nice add on.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
I'd like to hear if anyone uses a half point per reception league too? We're trying that this year and awarding .5 per reception to RB, WR, TE.
The 1 point seems like a huge jump to make from standard non reception points scoring, so we went with the middle of the road.
I think it's a good mix between getting the value of RB and WR's just about right. Anyone else us the .5?
The 1 point seems like a huge jump to make from standard non reception points scoring, so we went with the middle of the road.
I think it's a good mix between getting the value of RB and WR's just about right. Anyone else us the .5?
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Yep, my league uses it and I like it. I think if a guy catches 10 passes for 100 yards that should be worth more than 10 points IMO.
Harry Beanbag
Sausage King of Chicago
My redraft leagues does a point per reception. (My keep 2 league does not.) In the redraft league that is why tight ends and posession recievers get picked higher than in similar leagues. Also, the Rbs that have good hands and get balls thrown to them frequently, (Edge, LT, etc.) go very high compared to other.
possession wide outs have more value in the NFL then in no PPR fantasy. Thats why I've always liked it. The big problem is with RB's who are often over valued due to PPR but the fact is there versitility normally does make them more of a threat in reality as well so I've never had a problem with PPR uping their vaule.
yes some, no others....
IMO You just notice the rec column. Don't go nuts with it but be aware. For example-Tiki and Westbrook are good backs regardless o the format really. Moving em' up a couple spots because its PPR is fine but a big bump will bite ya.
Lamont Jordan caught a ton of balls last year but I don't think he'll do that again. I'd swear every WR and even some TEs were hurt for the Raiders last year so they had to get him more involved in the passing game. While just a small sample of time with the Raiders, I'm confident he had more than normal amount of catches because of those injuries and being a playmaker. Good RB, ranked high to begin with...leave it alone IMO.
Veteran WRs seem to hold more weight in PPR leagues. Maybe they can't average 15 per catch anymore and it's more like 8-12 YPC but they can still get to a spot and work their defender over.
3rd down RBs and precious few FBs over the years can be used for a bye week filler because 30-40 yards rushing and 4 catches for 40 yards could get ya 10 points. That's cool to get thru a tough bye week but if you're hoping for ten points most weeks from your RB you're not doing so well to begin with.
All in all, I think people would benefit more from just a quick glance at the receptions column and not a through breakdown.
IMO You just notice the rec column. Don't go nuts with it but be aware. For example-Tiki and Westbrook are good backs regardless o the format really. Moving em' up a couple spots because its PPR is fine but a big bump will bite ya.
Lamont Jordan caught a ton of balls last year but I don't think he'll do that again. I'd swear every WR and even some TEs were hurt for the Raiders last year so they had to get him more involved in the passing game. While just a small sample of time with the Raiders, I'm confident he had more than normal amount of catches because of those injuries and being a playmaker. Good RB, ranked high to begin with...leave it alone IMO.
Veteran WRs seem to hold more weight in PPR leagues. Maybe they can't average 15 per catch anymore and it's more like 8-12 YPC but they can still get to a spot and work their defender over.
3rd down RBs and precious few FBs over the years can be used for a bye week filler because 30-40 yards rushing and 4 catches for 40 yards could get ya 10 points. That's cool to get thru a tough bye week but if you're hoping for ten points most weeks from your RB you're not doing so well to begin with.
All in all, I think people would benefit more from just a quick glance at the receptions column and not a through breakdown.
bbuster
Footballguy
My commish absolutely refuses to listen to any arguements regarding PPR. I just joined last year, and I think the league used to be basically a TD league. Last year they moved to a basic performance league...pretty standard scoring. He can't see the point of using PPR. He thinks it's overkill. Last year we had an auction league. This year we are doing both and auction and a snake draft. For the snake draft he told us we wouldn't be getting our draft spots until the day of the draft. His reason was to avoid people trading picks! 
Mooks77
Footballguy
I have this in one of my leagues. I think it's a good balance.
Deepster
Footballguy
Simply put, we use the old "Miller Lite" scoring system where TD's are graded 6-9-12 pts by length. Yardage is only 100 yds or more for RB/WR rush/rec.
So, we found that a RB (like Jerome Bettis) was getting 1 rush for 1 TD (6 pts) and a WR was getting 8 catches for 97 yds and no TD's and Bettis had a "better" day. We put in 1 pt per reception for every catch over 5 catches. So now, in that previous scenario, the WR would have 8 pts. It really evened things out for our scoring system.
So, we found that a RB (like Jerome Bettis) was getting 1 rush for 1 TD (6 pts) and a WR was getting 8 catches for 97 yds and no TD's and Bettis had a "better" day. We put in 1 pt per reception for every catch over 5 catches. So now, in that previous scenario, the WR would have 8 pts. It really evened things out for our scoring system.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
We use it for TE (.5) and it's been working out great.
Kleck
Footballguy
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doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
League #1 = 1 PPR, all players
League #2 - .5 PPR, all players
League #3 - No PPR, but receiving yards earn more points than rushing yards
PPR does increase receivers value in reference to other positions, and it really helps RBs who catch a lot of balls. Plus, people have the opportunity to play a third-down back in an emergency and still get decent points.
League #2 - .5 PPR, all players
League #3 - No PPR, but receiving yards earn more points than rushing yards
PPR does increase receivers value in reference to other positions, and it really helps RBs who catch a lot of balls. Plus, people have the opportunity to play a third-down back in an emergency and still get decent points.
C
CrossEyed
Guest
1 ppr WRs & RBs
1.5 ppr TEs
1.5 ppr TEs
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I've done PPR for 12 years now.
IMO, the only way to go now.
IMO, the only way to go now.
after playing around w/different systems, this seems to be fairestI went 0RB-1WR-2TE in 3 leagues I just started and I think that might be alittle too much of a swing
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think so the standard TD leagues, or distance TD league = boring
waiver wire
Footballguy
keep 9 league 17 man roster start 9
1 qb, 1-2 rb 3-4 wr,1-2 te,1k,1 def
rb 0,wr 1/2, te 1
idp 35 man roster start 9 on offense
1-2 qb , 1-3 rb ,3-5 wr,1-2 te, 1 k (2 flex)
rb 1/2 pt, wr 1 pt, te 2pt
2 out 4 leagues use ppr
1 qb, 1-2 rb 3-4 wr,1-2 te,1k,1 def
rb 0,wr 1/2, te 1
idp 35 man roster start 9 on offense
1-2 qb , 1-3 rb ,3-5 wr,1-2 te, 1 k (2 flex)
rb 1/2 pt, wr 1 pt, te 2pt
2 out 4 leagues use ppr
Some of my leagues use PPR, some don't. Some vary the scoring by position, others do not.
There's nothing wrong with PPR, and there's nothing right with it, unless people are using it to do things it doesn't do. Some people claim that PPR helps WRs vs. RBs and prevents the RB run at the top. Actually, it magnifies the disparity between top and bottom RBs, to the point that it enforces RB runs. That's if you give the same number of points per position. I prefer PPRs that give different points by position to try and equalize the value of the different positions. I don't want precisely equal values, but I like to play in leagues where there isn't a massive RB run through the first two rounds.
There's nothing wrong with PPR, and there's nothing right with it, unless people are using it to do things it doesn't do. Some people claim that PPR helps WRs vs. RBs and prevents the RB run at the top. Actually, it magnifies the disparity between top and bottom RBs, to the point that it enforces RB runs. That's if you give the same number of points per position. I prefer PPRs that give different points by position to try and equalize the value of the different positions. I don't want precisely equal values, but I like to play in leagues where there isn't a massive RB run through the first two rounds.
Tornacl
Footballguy
The dynasty league I'm in uses PPR, and it really devalues the QBs, especially since we use 4 pt/passing TD.
I think that .75 ppr or even .5 ppr would be a better balance while still getting some benefit.
Not sure why QBs are the red-headed step children of the FF world. Why not give some points per completion?
I think that .75 ppr or even .5 ppr would be a better balance while still getting some benefit.
Not sure why QBs are the red-headed step children of the FF world. Why not give some points per completion?
My main league uses ppr. So I voted yes and same for all.
We like the way it evens out the values of the players.
After all, as someone said on this site " we want to play fantasy football, not fantasy running back"
While there is potential value across the board in our draft, you just can't find any adp chart that would accurately reflect our draft. So I have to gameplan for what I think will happen without any reinforcement.
Forces me to REALLY think about how things will go for first 4 rds.
We like the way it evens out the values of the players.
After all, as someone said on this site " we want to play fantasy football, not fantasy running back"
While there is potential value across the board in our draft, you just can't find any adp chart that would accurately reflect our draft. So I have to gameplan for what I think will happen without any reinforcement.
Forces me to REALLY think about how things will go for first 4 rds.
bentley
Footballguy
How do you have both an auction and a snake draft?bbuster said:My commish absolutely refuses to listen to any arguements regarding PPR. I just joined last year, and I think the league used to be basically a TD league. Last year they moved to a basic performance league...pretty standard scoring. He can't see the point of using PPR. He thinks it's overkill. Last year we had an auction league. This year we are doing both and auction and a snake draft. For the snake draft he told us we wouldn't be getting our draft spots until the day of the draft. His reason was to avoid people trading picks!
snellman
Footballguy
Not to get off the subject, but I play in a league that does not give points per reception, is a pretty vanilla league going 1 pt/20 yds rushing and receiving and 1 pt/50 yds passing. However it awards .5 point per completion and is a start 2 qb league also. Talk about an interesting twist come draft day.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Embrace change, Shick!Now, please start doing all your projections with PPR and...6pt passing TDs. This will help get you guys out of the 90s. I do love FBGs, but I think it's time for some updating.
matuski
Footballguy
We do - ultra PPR, performance whatever you want to call it. If it happens in a game someone gets points for it. Scores in our head to heads each week look something like 292-261. It is amazing to see that with few exceptions our rankings end up almost identical to regular ppr when all is said and done on offense.I love it if for no other reason than adding interest to damn near every play of every game every week. Compare this to the old TD league I played in... that format added nothing beyond my usual interest level.
JayMan
Footballguy
I think it has Shick!... Just the fact that it adds to the dynamic of the draft/auction/rookie draft (depending on the type of league) mainly because it rewards the possession guy - the Keyshawn / Derrick types that are valuable to their teams without being deep threat and/or red zone targets... I think any knowledgeable fan can agree that having a guy that can effeortlessly catch a 3rd and 7 pass for a 1st down (due to good route running and great hands) and keep the drive alive is a safety valve that every team wants...The main (read: big money) league I'm playing in doesn't reward point for a reception - only for RBs - and I think it's the best format (for having used the "standard PPR" or "no PPR") - since we all know that the vast majority of these pass plays are dump-offs / screen / outlets passes where no other target is open - and no particular skills are needed to catch theses... the RBs gets their points for those with the yards they gain anyway... Tomlinson / Barber / James / Jordan / Davis / Westbrook will already be your league leaders from a combined yardage point of view...
I know that there should be a fine line where a guy like Westbrook (and now Bush) should get rewarded for running a great route and leaving a LB looking for his jock strap before catching the ball (conversely to catching a dump-off pass) - but we all know that's impossible to do...
I think PPR is now the standard... and 2QB / IDP / [DYNASTY] formats are on their way also (if they have not arrived yet) - it just adds so much to the dynamic of the coaching aspect of your FF team (draft/trade/waivers/contracts/salaries/etc.) - rather than going in with RB/RB/WR/RB on your mind (Dominic Rhodes should not be as much in "demand" as Payton Manning is, in my opinion - just look at the Colts payroll to convince yourself)...
My 2 cents...
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Pictus Cat
Footballguy
.75 ppr.
i dont like 1.0 point per reception at all . im in 15 leagues this year and when checking settings dont join if there is 1.0 per reception . but its really a matter of just what you like . when ive played a couple times it waters down the importance of the rb to me. i like having RB be the focus of ff .
i do however like .25 per reception in a couple leagues for variety where alot of flex players are in the lineup . it gives just a little for the reception effort but not so much that alot of wr numbers will be close to good rb numbers . but even this i like just in 1 or 2 leagues for some variety .
i do however like .25 per reception in a couple leagues for variety where alot of flex players are in the lineup . it gives just a little for the reception effort but not so much that alot of wr numbers will be close to good rb numbers . but even this i like just in 1 or 2 leagues for some variety .
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Any results on those drafts you could post?
Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll
Footballguy
Where do TE's go in your draft...and where do you thing Gates will go this year?
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
My 12 team local redraft uses 1 ppr for WRs & TEs, 0 for RBs. We use multiple flex players & it does a nice job of balancing out scoring between RBs & WRs. For example, we mandate starting 1 RB & 2 WRs. Using FBG projections, the #13 RB (the 1st from the "flex pool") is projected to score 188 pts. The first non-mandatory WR (#25) is projected at 191 pts. The WR pts drop off more slowly than RBs as we go down the list, but that's ok to me - we run out of starting RBs in the NFL before we do starting WRs. That 12 spot difference holds for a while, though - the #25 RB is slated to score 146 pts & the #37 WR is projected at 152.
To those philosophically opposed to ppr because "the NFL doesn't award catches with points" or who say "but you're giving a guy points when he didn't necessarily gain positive yardage", I'll say this:
1. The "mirroring the NFL" folks walk a slippery slope.
2. If you're so offended by the mere thought of ppr, you can achieve the similar results by tinkering with your points per yard parameter or by awarding points per first down. All you're doing is playing with numbers, guys.
The point with my league was to get the points up to even out the flex possibilities. Most of my leaguemates didn't care how we did it - it's not a league full of sharks, though we've been in existence for 18 years. We decided that this was the easiest for everyone to understand & to keep up with while watching games.
To those philosophically opposed to ppr because "the NFL doesn't award catches with points" or who say "but you're giving a guy points when he didn't necessarily gain positive yardage", I'll say this:
1. The "mirroring the NFL" folks walk a slippery slope.
2. If you're so offended by the mere thought of ppr, you can achieve the similar results by tinkering with your points per yard parameter or by awarding points per first down. All you're doing is playing with numbers, guys.
The point with my league was to get the points up to even out the flex possibilities. Most of my leaguemates didn't care how we did it - it's not a league full of sharks, though we've been in existence for 18 years. We decided that this was the easiest for everyone to understand & to keep up with while watching games.
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Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
As a point of reference, the MBSLs use PPR, with 2 PPR for TE, 1 for RB and WR. Surely, that gives all pass catchers added weight over the system here, but you can get a pretty good gauge of where Gates is going in relation to the RBs and WRs - usually around pick #14 or so.
JayMan
Footballguy
Like I mentioned earlier we are using the same system (see post above)... I adds alot of FF coaching - which is what everyone is looking for... Do you go with Derrick Mason or Willie Parker in the flex? The fact that Mason will probably get 8 catches against the Bengals adds to the dynamic of lineup juggling... Also, as I mentioned in my post - to even things out (supply and demand for each position) - for a RB there is no need to give a point per reception since the guys that catch many balls will eventually end up as league leaders in combined yardage (just look at Lamont Jordan and Rudi Johnson's stats from '05 to convince yourself)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think it's the only way to go, especially in larger leagues (12+).
What it does is increase the number of "stud" players available. I find that without PPR, the value of guys like LJ, LT, and Shaun Alexander (and maybe even Portis this year) are skewed in importance, giving a guy that drafts them an unfair advantage.
When you throw in PPR, now you have guys like Tiki in the same class and guys like LaMont Jordan (last year) and Michael Westbrook approaching the class. Also, now the guys that are in position to draft the top WRs have just as studly a player on their roster as the guy at the top of the draft.
What it does is increase the number of "stud" players available. I find that without PPR, the value of guys like LJ, LT, and Shaun Alexander (and maybe even Portis this year) are skewed in importance, giving a guy that drafts them an unfair advantage.
When you throw in PPR, now you have guys like Tiki in the same class and guys like LaMont Jordan (last year) and Michael Westbrook approaching the class. Also, now the guys that are in position to draft the top WRs have just as studly a player on their roster as the guy at the top of the draft.
