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Bush now #15 in dodds top 275? (1 Viewer)

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I like Bush's upside but #10 is pushing it. It's clear he will not be getting goaline carries and the Saints offense is no juggernaut. (NFC south in no joke either). He can't do it all himself. Peter Warrick was amazing in college too.

 
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I aree completely, #10 is awful high. I like Bush's potential, but his touchs will be limited. I've seen him move up to the 2nd round in mocks. I thought he would be a nice pick mid-third, but I think second is a little too high.

 
I aree completely, #10 is awful high. I like Bush's potential, but his touchs will be limited. I've seen him move up to the 2nd round in mocks. I thought he would be a nice pick mid-third, but I think second is a little too high.
after a 7 yard run this weekend, his stock will rise yet again . . .
 
I like Bush's upside but #10 is pushing it. It's clear he will not be getting goaline carries and the Saints offense is no juggernaut. (NFC south in no joke either). He can't do it all himself. Peter Warrick was amazing in college too.
Peter Warrick compared to Reggie Bush in ANY way? :wall:
 
I like Bush's upside but #10 is pushing it. It's clear he will not be getting goaline carries and the Saints offense is no juggernaut. (NFC south in no joke either). He can't do it all himself. Peter Warrick was amazing in college too.
When has this ever been established? It's long been assumed, but there is really no evidence to back that up.That said, Reggie at #10 is awfully high (and I'm a huge Saints homer).

 
I like Bush's upside but #10 is pushing it. It's clear he will not be getting goaline carries and the Saints offense is no juggernaut. (NFC south in no joke either). He can't do it all himself. Peter Warrick was amazing in college too.
Peter Warrick compared to Reggie Bush in ANY way? :wall:
You don't think their college careers are comparable?
 
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10 is not far fetched westbrook played in 12 games had around 600 rec and 600 rush and 60 receptions and ended up 18th in total points. I know there is the split time issue with duece. I say he needs around 1500 total yards and 9 Td's to be at the top ten say 900 yrds rushing and around 600 receiving and he is itching at the top ten. I think he will be big in the second half when NO is trailing the games he should get a ton of dump off's and draws

 
1) Deuce is fresh off knee surgery... for every ACL rehab within 12 months you can list, I can point out 5 guys who struggled their year back

2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.

He's got a chance of busting.. sure... and he's no lock to live up to 10th pick... but neither is anyone below him. In a PPR league he's got an even better chance of finishing 10th.

 
' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594'] 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.
so, Bush (at 201) will block for Deuce . . . good one . . .
 
' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594'] 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.
so, Bush (at 201) will block for Deuce . . . good one . . .
Decoy down? They are on record saying he'll be used as a receiver... both out of the back field and lining up in the slot. But hey.. please.... blindly hate away. You're right.... kid won't break 1000 yards combined. :lmao:Tell ya what... care to wager on him breaking 1100/5/40?You call the stakes...
 
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' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594'] 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.
so, Bush (at 201) will block for Deuce . . . good one . . .
Decoy down? They are on record saying he'll be used as a receiver... both out of the back field and lining up in the slot. But hey.. please.... blindly hate away. You're right.... kid won't break 1000 yards combined. :lmao:
If Deuce is in the backfield, and he's going to RUN the ball, then what do they need Bush for . . . that's an expensive decoy . . .I'm thinking a FB would make more sense . . . but that's just me . . .
 
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' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594'] 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.
so, Bush (at 201) will block for Deuce . . . good one . . .
Decoy down? They are on record saying he'll be used as a receiver... both out of the back field and lining up in the slot. But hey.. please.... blindly hate away. You're right.... kid won't break 1000 yards combined. :lmao:
If Deuce is in the backfield, and he's going to RUN the ball, then what do they need Bush for . . . that's an expensive decoy . . .I'm thinking a FB would make more sense . . . but that's just me . . .
Not very creative are we?
 
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' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594'] 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.
so, Bush (at 201) will block for Deuce . . . good one . . .
Decoy down? They are on record saying he'll be used as a receiver... both out of the back field and lining up in the slot. But hey.. please.... blindly hate away. You're right.... kid won't break 1000 yards combined. :lmao:
If Deuce is in the backfield, and he's going to RUN the ball, then what do they need Bush for . . . that's an expensive decoy . . .I'm thinking a FB would make more sense . . . but that's just me . . .
Welcome to the site... We always love opinions of new guys around here. I'm sure you're just champing at the bit then to take me up on my 1100/5/40 wager then... right?
 
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' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594'] 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.
so, Bush (at 201) will block for Deuce . . . good one . . .
Decoy down? They are on record saying he'll be used as a receiver... both out of the back field and lining up in the slot. But hey.. please.... blindly hate away. You're right.... kid won't break 1000 yards combined. :lmao:
If Deuce is in the backfield, and he's going to RUN the ball, then what do they need Bush for . . . that's an expensive decoy . . .I'm thinking a FB would make more sense . . . but that's just me . . .
Not very creative are we?
Guy joined 20 days ago.. prob ran the table in a yahoo public league and is playing expert now.
 
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' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594'] 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.
so, Bush (at 201) will block for Deuce . . . good one . . .
Decoy down? They are on record saying he'll be used as a receiver... both out of the back field and lining up in the slot. But hey.. please.... blindly hate away. You're right.... kid won't break 1000 yards combined. :lmao:
If Deuce is in the backfield, and he's going to RUN the ball, then what do they need Bush for . . . that's an expensive decoy . . .I'm thinking a FB would make more sense . . . but that's just me . . .
Welcome to the site... We always love opinions of new guys around here. I'm sure you're just champing at the bit then to take me up on my 1100/5/40 wager then... right?
I said nothing about his yardage total . . . I said that putting both of them in the backfield when Deuce runs the ball makes little sense . . .
 
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' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594'] 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.
so, Bush (at 201) will block for Deuce . . . good one . . .
Decoy down? They are on record saying he'll be used as a receiver... both out of the back field and lining up in the slot. But hey.. please.... blindly hate away. You're right.... kid won't break 1000 yards combined. :lmao:
If Deuce is in the backfield, and he's going to RUN the ball, then what do they need Bush for . . . that's an expensive decoy . . .I'm thinking a FB would make more sense . . . but that's just me . . .
Not very creative are we?
Guy joined 20 days ago.. prob ran the table in a yahoo public league and is playing expert now.
I'm pretty sure you have the same amount of knowledge of Bush's pro career.
 
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' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:04 PM' post='5352615']

' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594'] 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible.
so, Bush (at 201) will block for Deuce . . . good one . . .
Decoy down? They are on record saying he'll be used as a receiver... both out of the back field and lining up in the slot. But hey.. please.... blindly hate away. You're right.... kid won't break 1000 yards combined. :lmao:
If Deuce is in the backfield, and he's going to RUN the ball, then what do they need Bush for . . . that's an expensive decoy . . .I'm thinking a FB would make more sense . . . but that's just me . . .
Welcome to the site... We always love opinions of new guys around here. I'm sure you're just champing at the bit then to take me up on my 1100/5/40 wager then... right?
I said nothing about his yardage total . . . I said that putting both of them in the backfield when Deuce runs the ball makes little sense . . .
1) What are YOUR projections for Bush? Combined yardage, TD, REC?2)Did I say that Bush would be decoying on every play? Did I say Bush would be playing the role of FB? Bush will be used in a VARIETY of roles.. not just as a RB... he will be a Decoy,.. he will be a reciever... he will be all over the place. He will also finish in the top 15 in PPR leagues and possibly in the top 10.
 
' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594']1) Deuce is fresh off knee surgery... for every ACL rehab within 12 months you can list, I can point out 5 guys who struggled their year back 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible. He's got a chance of busting.. sure... and he's no lock to live up to 10th pick... but neither is anyone below him. In a PPR league he's got an even better chance of finishing 10th.
no way will Deuce be on the field EVERY time that Deuce is in the backfield . . . if its even 50 percent then he will be doing well; I'm not predicting Bush's totals because they are based on a HUGE unknown factor: Deuce's health . . .
 
' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594']1) Deuce is fresh off knee surgery... for every ACL rehab within 12 months you can list, I can point out 5 guys who struggled their year back 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible. He's got a chance of busting.. sure... and he's no lock to live up to 10th pick... but neither is anyone below him. In a PPR league he's got an even better chance of finishing 10th.
no way will Deuce be on the field EVERY time that Deuce is in the backfield . . . if its even 50 percent then he will be doing well; I'm not predicting Bush's totals because they are based on a HUGE unknown factor: Deuce's health . . .
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Deuce will be on the field EVERY time that Deuce is in the backfield.
 
' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594']1) Deuce is fresh off knee surgery... for every ACL rehab within 12 months you can list, I can point out 5 guys who struggled their year back 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible. He's got a chance of busting.. sure... and he's no lock to live up to 10th pick... but neither is anyone below him. In a PPR league he's got an even better chance of finishing 10th.
no way will Deuce be on the field EVERY time that Deuce is in the backfield . . . if its even 50 percent then he will be doing well; I'm not predicting Bush's totals because they are based on a HUGE unknown factor: Deuce's health . . .
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Deuce will be on the field EVERY time that Deuce is in the backfield.
(assuming Deuce is actually healthy and playing)see you back here in about a month . . .
 
' date='Aug 17 2006, 10:00 PM' post='5352594']1) Deuce is fresh off knee surgery... for every ACL rehab within 12 months you can list, I can point out 5 guys who struggled their year back 2) When Duece IS in the backfield alone, Bush will still be on the field either as a 2nd back or lining up in the slot... something. Reggie is a playmaker and they will be doing whatever they can to get the ball in his hands as often as possible. He's got a chance of busting.. sure... and he's no lock to live up to 10th pick... but neither is anyone below him. In a PPR league he's got an even better chance of finishing 10th.
no way will Deuce be on the field EVERY time that Deuce is in the backfield . . . if its even 50 percent then he will be doing well; I'm not predicting Bush's totals because they are based on a HUGE unknown factor: Deuce's health . . .
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Deuce will be on the field EVERY time that Deuce is in the backfield.
(assuming Deuce is actually healthy and playing)see you back here in about a month . . .
:whoosh:
 
I'm taking Bush at 1.4 in a new dynasty draft Sunday. 1pt per reception. And its $250 league!
wow dynasty.. how about redraft boys. 10th rb???? are you kidding me. ddodds spelled many--- manay. maybe there was a little beverage involved. i am up in arms, one pre season game????????????
 
I like Bush's upside but #10 is pushing it. It's clear he will not be getting goaline carries and the Saints offense is no juggernaut. (NFC south in no joke either). He can't do it all himself. Peter Warrick was amazing in college too.
Footballguys Public AnnouncementDobbs has a draft this weekend... so he's priming the other owners to get someone to take Bush in the 1st round... Rumor is Maroney will be ranked 14th and Addai 17th by Friday.... after the draft Sunday, Dobbs will update the cheatsheets accordingly...* This post is for entertainment purposes only and does not reflect the views of footballguys.com or it's staff
 
It's the same thing every year. Proven players get knocked for various reasons but rookies never have anything but upside. Why? Because they never played. Barlow was a lock in 2004 too.

 
Mr. Dodds, and I mean that whole heartedly (sp?). I started another thread bamboozled by this. But I bow down to the authority, please explain... I am a lifer FGB guy (loved it when it was free :) )

but as far as names go.. this has to be the bigest surprise (quickest) ever. Again from my obnoxious post i reitterate... #10 and UNDERVALUED?? TEACH ME OBEYWON(sp?)

 
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If Deuce is in the backfield, and he's going to RUN the ball, then what do they need Bush for . . .

that's an expensive decoy . . .



I'm thinking a FB would make more sense . . .

but that's just me . . .
I'd say that's a pretty expensive fullback too. :bye:

 
Here is my thought process right now:

1. Deuce is coming back from ACL surgery. I expect him to be eased back.

2. Even before Deuce's injury he looked bad. His ypc has dropped every year since 2003 (4.7 to 4.0 to 3.6). If Deuce averages worse than 3.6 ypc, he will be the change of pace back to Bush in short order.

3. Devery Henderson sucks as WR #3. He gets open, but drops everything. I think it's reasonable to think they will use Bush in the slot a lot.

4. It was just one play, but it's hard not to see that Bush run for what it was. Someone who is a lot faster than most everyone in the NFL. He is going to have his long runs. Much like Tiki Barber, I see Bush scoring even though he may get pulled near the goal line.

5. The Saints traded Michael Bennett. That speaks volumes to them wanting to give Bush the rock a lot.

6. Saints are selling tickets because of Bush (not McAllister). They all want to see the kid play. They know their team is not a playoff team, but are happy to support this product with Bush on it.

7. Bush's yards per carry both rushing and receiving should be HUGE. 50 receptions could easily be close to 500 yards. and I think he is going to get 50 receptions. 225 rushes could also be a thousand yards. When you start doing the math, you realize not many backs have the same chance for this level of fantasy scoring.

Add this all together and I see Bush getting a lot of work and yielding great results. Maybe I am a tad high on him this second, but until I see Deuce actually running hard in a game (and being productive), I see Bush as the #1 RB on the Saints by a wide margin right now.

 
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If Deuce is in the backfield, and he's going to RUN the ball, then what do they need Bush for . . .

that's an expensive decoy . . .



I'm thinking a FB would make more sense . . .

but that's just me . . .
I'd say that's a pretty expensive fullback too. :bye:
eh?
Oh I was just saying that Deuce being a fullback is a dumb idea....in not so many words.
ahh, thought the other guy was saying bush would be the fullback. no worries. doesnt matter, when bush meets the nfl, game 1 the kicker will mow him down. can you tell i am a ucla fan yet?? still waiting for the explantion.. from yoda... and of coure leinhart to start dating lance bass

 
I like Bush's upside but #10 is pushing it. It's clear he will not be getting goaline carries and the Saints offense is no juggernaut. (NFC south in no joke either). He can't do it all himself. Peter Warrick was amazing in college too.
I've been driving the Bush train - and prided myself on having Bush higher than most other staffers - but I also think RB10 is too high.Haven't read them yet, but noticed David just posted his thoughts, so I'll read them now.
 
We're not accounting for risk here. Bush can't handle a #1 workload which directly impacts his upside. He didn't have a workhorse workload in college and he wont have one in the NFL, not for a long time.

 
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Here is my thought process right now:1. Deuce is coming back from ACL surgery. I expect him to be eased back.2. Even before Deuce's injury he looked bad. His ypc has dropped every year since 2003 (4.7 to 4.0 to 3.6). If Deuce averages worse than 3.6 ypc, he will be the change of pace back to Bush in short order.3. Devery Henderson sucks as WR #3. He gets open, but drops everything. I think it's reasonable to think they will use Bush in the slot a lot.4. It was just one play, but it's hard not to see that Bush run for what it was. Someone who is a lot faster than most everyone in the NFL. He is going to have his long runs. Much like Tiki Barber, I see Bush scoring even though he may get pulled near the goal line.5. The Saints traded Michael Bennett. That speaks volumes to them wanting to give Bush the rock a lot.6. Saints are selling tickets because of Bush (not McAllister). They all want to see the kid play. They know their team is not a playoff team, but are happy to support this product with Bush on it.7. Bush's yards per carry both rushing and receiving should be HUGE. 50 receptions could easily be close to 500 yards. and I think he is going to get 50 receptions. 225 rushes could also be a thousand yards. When you start doing the math, you realize not many backs have the same chance for this level of fantasy scoring.Add this all together and I see Bush getting a lot of work and yielding great results. Maybe I am a tad high on him this second, but until I see Deuce actually running hard in a game (and being productive), I see Bush as the #1 RB on the Saints by a wide margin right now.
and that boys is why i have been here and only here for 5 years. thank you sir, for stepping up and explaing. i still want rudi and caddy at 9 and 12 though!!!!! :) u...c...l...a.. ucla fight fight fight!!!
 
I like Bush's upside but #10 is pushing it. It's clear he will not be getting goaline carries and the Saints offense is no juggernaut. (NFC south in no joke either). He can't do it all himself. Peter Warrick was amazing in college too.
When has this ever been established? It's long been assumed, but there is really no evidence to back that up.
Agreed that there is no evidence to back up the assertion.That said, Deuce is a MONSTER at the goal line - just look at his GL numbers on our site.

56 GL rushes in his career, 21 TDs. That's REALLY good.

 
Here is my thought process right now:1. Deuce is coming back from ACL surgery. I expect him to be eased back.2. Even before Deuce's injury he looked bad. His ypc has dropped every year since 2003 (4.7 to 4.0 to 3.6). If Deuce averages worse than 3.6 ypc, he will be the change of pace back to Bush in short order.3. Devery Henderson sucks as WR #3. He gets open, but drops everything. I think it's reasonable to think they will use Bush in the slot a lot.4. It was just one play, but it's hard not to see that Bush run for what it was. Someone who is a lot faster than most everyone in the NFL. He is going to have his long runs. Much like Tiki Barber, I see Bush scoring even though he may get pulled near the goal line.5. The Saints traded Michael Bennett. That speaks volumes to them wanting to give Bush the rock a lot.6. Saints are selling tickets because of Bush (not McAllister). They all want to see the kid play. They know their team is not a playoff team, but are happy to support this product with Bush on it.7. Bush's yards per carry both rushing and receiving should be HUGE. 50 receptions could easily be close to 500 yards. and I think he is going to get 50 receptions. 225 rushes could also be a thousand yards. When you start doing the math, you realize not many backs have the same chance for this level of fantasy scoring.Add this all together and I see Bush getting a lot of work and yielding great results. Maybe I am a tad high on him this second, but until I see Deuce actually running hard in a game (and being productive), I see Bush as the #1 RB on the Saints by a wide margin right now.
I like Bush, but Deuce is making big time money as well. I believe he got a contract extension last year. (Certainly has had his moments)Bush will be treated like westbrook, playmaker, but not someone who can carry the load. I will take Westbrook at 23 and you can take the saint's offense at 10. With all do respect.
 
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I like Bush's upside but #10 is pushing it. It's clear he will not be getting goaline carries and the Saints offense is no juggernaut. (NFC south in no joke either). He can't do it all himself. Peter Warrick was amazing in college too.
When has this ever been established? It's long been assumed, but there is really no evidence to back that up.
Agreed that there is no evidence to back up the assertion.That said, Deuce is a MONSTER at the goal line - just look at his GL numbers on our site.

56 GL rushes in his career, 21 TDs. That's REALLY good.
Yudkin could run through some of those wholes with Justice and company on the line.
 
We're not accounting for risk here. Bush can't handle a #1 workload which directly impacts his upside. He didn't have a workhorse workload in college and he wont have one in the NFL, not for a long time.
Based on what? In college when he got 20+ touches he always ended up with 200+ yards. When did he ever wear down in college? In high school? Please explain this argument to me because I don't understand it all. It might end up being true (just like we did not know if Ronnie Brown or Caddy could handle full-time duties). But to say this as fact, I would love some factual backup to show this is the case.
 
We're not accounting for risk here. Bush can't handle a #1 workload which directly impacts his upside. He didn't have a workhorse workload in college and he wont have one in the NFL, not for a long time.
Assumption based on ???Remember that while at USC, he had a LOT of duties, including KR, PR, and pass catching.

And, finally, I would assume you agree that Ronnie Brown can't handle a #1 workload. Or Cadillac Williams - he DID split time, and he DID get injured every year he's played ball except one.

 
We're not accounting for risk here. Bush can't handle a #1 workload which directly impacts his upside. He didn't have a workhorse workload in college and he wont have one in the NFL, not for a long time.
Based on what? In college when he got 20+ touches he always ended up with 200+ yards. When did he ever wear down in college? In high school? Please explain this argument to me because I don't understand it all. It might end up being true (just like we did not know if Ronnie Brown or Caddy could handle full-time duties). But to say this as fact, I would love some factual backup to show this is the case.
Me too.But we may be :wall: here.Just check out the Bush in the 1st round thread - I have the feeling LHUCKS and I are about to go round the ring again.
 
We're not accounting for risk here. Bush can't handle a #1 workload which directly impacts his upside. He didn't have a workhorse workload in college and he wont have one in the NFL, not for a long time.
Based on what? In college when he got 20+ touches he always ended up with 200+ yards. When did he ever wear down in college? In high school? Please explain this argument to me because I don't understand it all. It might end up being true (just like we did not know if Ronnie Brown or Caddy could handle full-time duties). But to say this as fact, I would love some factual backup to show this is the case.
Me too.But we may be :wall: here.

Just check out the Bush in the 1st round thread - I have the feeling LHUCKS and I are about to go round the ring again.
Bush averaged 18.2 touches/game last year for 13 games, which would be 291 touches over a 16 game season. Most are actually projecting him to have fewer touches per game this year, so I don't see any reason to say Bush is less likely to achieve those projections than any other RB in the NFL.
 
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I will probably cave here because there are still a lot of unknowns (mostly surrounding McAllister). I don't think I would take him at #10 either, because the roles are not fully known this second. But I would not hesitate to take him in the middle of the second round.

In a PPR league, he is definitely a late first-rounder in my opinion.

I will probably redo the top guys in my next projection tweak which will likely put Bush around 15.

 

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