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Brandon Jacobs question? (1 Viewer)
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mightyeskimo
Footballguy
No. Jacobs is the guy. Which chart are you looking at? It's probably out of date or just completely wrong.
nfl.com and the giants homepage
Mik789fl
Footballguy
That page shows Rob Johnson as the #3 QB. He was released over the weekend. Jacobs will be #2 when the REAL games begin.
stashy,
IIRC last couple days you have had a bunch of Giant Qs. I'd recommend looking at the blogger(news link above) and BBI
http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/pub/news_notes.cfm
IIRC last couple days you have had a bunch of Giant Qs. I'd recommend looking at the blogger(news link above) and BBI
http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/pub/news_notes.cfm
houndirish
Footballguy
Giants.com is an embarrassment. I'm a Giants homer and it's not even in the rotation of websites I visit for team info.
Check Bob Henry's depth charts. They're likely more up to date.
FWIW, Jacobs is the unequivocal #2.
Check Bob Henry's depth charts. They're likely more up to date.
FWIW, Jacobs is the unequivocal #2.
He was in the mix before he got hurt. He's gotta get healthy and they can afford to wait til he's 100%. Jacobs looks REAL good and very much improved from last year. Ward and he were similar last year use-wise and stat-wise but Ward's also going to have to improve dramatically to keep up the pace. I don't see it, he's depth now
http://www.giants.com/news/transcripts/sto...?story_id=17953
Q: At the end of training camp, we talked about Brandon Jacobs trying to become more a part of this offense, and not just for short yardage. Is he closer to that? Do you anticipate playing him outside of short yardage situations in the regular season?
A: Most of the time when we get asked that, it’s what was the situation? Why does Tiki remain in there, and the question is, who do you want with the ball? I’ll just answer it that way. Right now Brandon’s done a good job with our short yardage and our goal line, and when he’s run the ball, he’s run the ball effectively. I feel like, from a confidence standpoint, there’s no doubt that he’s improved. I watched him pass-protect today and he did a nice job of that, so I’m very confident that he is further along than he was a year ago and can handle more parts of the offense and the protection aspect of it without any major concern.
Q: At the end of training camp, we talked about Brandon Jacobs trying to become more a part of this offense, and not just for short yardage. Is he closer to that? Do you anticipate playing him outside of short yardage situations in the regular season?
A: Most of the time when we get asked that, it’s what was the situation? Why does Tiki remain in there, and the question is, who do you want with the ball? I’ll just answer it that way. Right now Brandon’s done a good job with our short yardage and our goal line, and when he’s run the ball, he’s run the ball effectively. I feel like, from a confidence standpoint, there’s no doubt that he’s improved. I watched him pass-protect today and he did a nice job of that, so I’m very confident that he is further along than he was a year ago and can handle more parts of the offense and the protection aspect of it without any major concern.
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
He'd get pretty tired if he were.
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
That's what everyone thought about Tiki, prior to 2002. How do you know?
Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
Why is Brandon Jacobs the goalline RB? Tiki gets better results. Or is it just to preserve Tiki from the pounding that happens at the goalline?
doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
Last year Jacobs converted 22 of his 38 carries into first downs or touchdowns, so I don't know if I would say Tiki gets better results at the goal line. I think preserving Tiki has something to do with it as well, though.
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Chairshot
Footballguy
I admit that I'm a NY homer, as well, but I don't see any reason why Jacobs can't be a legit NFL starter. He's big and strong and can move the pile. He has better speed then people give him credit for.
I love Tiki and he deserves every ounce of credit he gets (and more, honestly), but if we had to start Jacobs tomorrow, I wouldn't be *that* worried about it. Dowgrade from Tiki? Yes. Scrub RB? No way.
And to answer the question, don't worry about what any depth chart says. What others have said is right - Jacobs will get the goal line carries for the Giants. If Ward gets carries it will be to spell Tiki between the 20s, it won't be stealing carries from Jacobs.
I love Tiki and he deserves every ounce of credit he gets (and more, honestly), but if we had to start Jacobs tomorrow, I wouldn't be *that* worried about it. Dowgrade from Tiki? Yes. Scrub RB? No way.
And to answer the question, don't worry about what any depth chart says. What others have said is right - Jacobs will get the goal line carries for the Giants. If Ward gets carries it will be to spell Tiki between the 20s, it won't be stealing carries from Jacobs.
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
so Mr. NY homer should Tiki owners be worried about Jacobs stealing more of his carries, or do you think it wil stay more or less the same as last year?
nygiants56
Footballguy
I'm a Giants homer, and I couldn't agree more..Jacobs is so much like Stacey Mack, it isn't funny..what I mean by that is he's a great 2nd string RB, good for the short yardage stuff, but like Mack, I'm not so sure that Jacobs can make the transition to starting at the position..also, history is not on his side..other than Christian Okoye, and maybe Rod Bernstine, I can't name another RB that big, who lasted more than 1-2 years as a starter..it doesn't happen often, if ever..Jacobs, to me anyways, looks ordinary..
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Chairshot
Footballguy
I think it will probably stay more or less the same from last year.The Giants are trying to win the division and a Superbowl. Tiki is such a huge part of the offense that I can't see them starting to limit his carries to Jacobs. Jacobs was pretty successful as a goal line back last year and I would think that success continues this year.If they had to give more carries to Jacobs because of injuries, that's one thing. But I don't think anyone will limit Tiki's carries because they choose to.Tiki has indicated more then once that he proabably will only play another 2 seasons, 3 max. Jacobs is around for goal line carries now and to carry the load when Tiki walks away, in a best case scenerio. For now, Tiki should still get all the carries he got last year, I would think.If I were a Tiki owner (and so far, I'm not) I wouldn't worry about Jacobs stealing his carries.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I think there was a joke in there. I think you missed it.
H.K.
Footballguy
I'd call Jacobs more like RB 1A right now. He will get all the TD's and a ton more between the 20's work than last year. Barber's value this season in the tank.It is statisitically impossible for Barber to even be a top 20 RB anymore. Book it.
wannabee
Footballguy
please explain why impossible
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Chairshot
Footballguy
I'd like to hear more about why you think Barber's value will tank this year. Gut feeling or do you have something more tangible to work with?
H.K.
Footballguy
Link (from the blogger)
With Barber suggesting he may retire after this season, and with the Giants hoping to conserve Barber’s energy, Jacobs is getting consideration as something more than a situational bulldozer.
“Brandon’s done a good job with our short yardage and our goal line, and when he’s run the ball, he’s run the ball effectively,” Coach Tom Coughlin said. “From a confidence standpoint, there’s no doubt that he’s improved. I watched him pass-protect today and he did a nice job with that, so I’m very confident that he is much further along than he was a year ago and can handle more parts of the offense.”
Through three preseason games, Jacobs leads the Giants in carries (26) and yards (87), and has scored the team’s only three rushing touchdowns — all, predictably, from the 1-yard line.
Most telling is that Jacobs has been playing with the first-team offense in practice, something that did not happen last year.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
As a Giants homer I have a question for you. What happens if Tiki goes down this year for significant time? For the sake of argument, say he misses 6 games due to injury. He turned 31 this year and that's the wrong side of 30 for NFL RB's so missing time isn't out of the realm of possibility. So my question is, what happens in the backfield with him not there? They didn't draft a RB and I don't recall them signing one in FA. Just curious....Who gets the carries? Does Jacobs even get a chance at being the starter if Tiki goes down?
BoulderBob
Footballguy
JAcobs is the goal-line guy, that is his role, and it is the reason the Giants picked him. If Tiki goes down, and Jacobs gets 250+ carries, I'd be surprised if he can average 3.6 YPC.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Bump....Can any Giant Homer jump in on this question?
houndirish
Footballguy
Too many people look at the role Jacobs played last season and simply forecast him as a short yardage back. Coming off the 2004 season the Giants were among the league's worst at converting short yardage situations. They'd have a 3rd and 1 and get stuffed more times than I could count. In the beginning I'd root for them to go for it on 4th and 1 but the same thing would happen so after a few games you just resigned yourself to the fact that they simply could not convert a short yardage play. The 2005 draft landed Brandon Jacobs who brought a cure to this ailment. There are plenty of people who chirp that Jacobs wasn't that good in this role but I assure you, if you were watching Giants football in 2003 or 2004 he was a VAST improvement over anyone on the roster in this capacity. One of the reasons Jacobs seemingly got stuffed a lot last year was the Giants made no attempt to disguise their intentions in these situations. They simply lined up and plowed forward. Sometimes they got it, sometimes they didn't. However they were horribly predictable in these situations which at least has to be factored into some of Jacobs struggles. With Tiki in the backfield the defense had to honor a lot more options. Tiki could string it outside and is also an excellent receiver. Jacobs possessed neither trait so the defense simply played a stout middle and the result was anywhere from a 1 yard loss to a 2 yard gain, but not much else.
In '05 Jacobs was slow to learn blocking and blitz assigments so when Tiki needed a rest Ward was summoned.
My thinking has been that Jacobs will begin getting more "normal situation" carries beginning this season, now that he really doesn't have a reason not to have a handle on the blocking. I don't see him garnering several touches a game so I'd say Tiki is still a pretty safe guy to draft, however I could see Jacobs getting 3-5 carries that aren't limited to short yardage situations. I do think Jacobs will continue to vulture Tiki's TD's. I have a hard time seeing Barber eclipsing last years total as he had many that were big gainers. Most of the stuff inside the 5 will go to Jacobs.
Jacobs was used as a battering ram last season since it's really the only skill he could bring to the table. Now he's got a year of experience and should be able to step into feature back situations without a neagtive effect on the offense.
It's too soon to accurately predict if Jacobs is the feature back of the future, the same way it's premature to simply label him a short yardage guy. Unfortunately the jury is still out. However I'm at least confident the Giants will give Jacobs every opportunity to carry the load as a #1 RB sometime in the future, although barring injury I don't see it happening this season.
In '05 Jacobs was slow to learn blocking and blitz assigments so when Tiki needed a rest Ward was summoned.
My thinking has been that Jacobs will begin getting more "normal situation" carries beginning this season, now that he really doesn't have a reason not to have a handle on the blocking. I don't see him garnering several touches a game so I'd say Tiki is still a pretty safe guy to draft, however I could see Jacobs getting 3-5 carries that aren't limited to short yardage situations. I do think Jacobs will continue to vulture Tiki's TD's. I have a hard time seeing Barber eclipsing last years total as he had many that were big gainers. Most of the stuff inside the 5 will go to Jacobs.
Jacobs was used as a battering ram last season since it's really the only skill he could bring to the table. Now he's got a year of experience and should be able to step into feature back situations without a neagtive effect on the offense.
It's too soon to accurately predict if Jacobs is the feature back of the future, the same way it's premature to simply label him a short yardage guy. Unfortunately the jury is still out. However I'm at least confident the Giants will give Jacobs every opportunity to carry the load as a #1 RB sometime in the future, although barring injury I don't see it happening this season.
brakeyawself
Footballguy
I know it's only preseason, but Jacobs is looking really good tonight. Is it wrong of me to start drinking more 
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
I just dropped Gado for him. He's my RB#6 so at the least I've got someone to throw in the lineup in case of an injury.
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H.K.
Footballguy
You guys watching the clinic Jacobs is putting on right now? Jacobs will be a HUGE part of the offense in New York this year. Thanks for the memories, Tiki. It was fun while it lasted.
Tikki has NOT had a season EVER with under 52 receptions. jacobs might steal some TD's but Tikki will still be a huge part of the offense with at least 1800 yds from scrimmage, barring injury. MyYou guys watching the clinic Jacobs is putting on right now? Jacobs will be a HUGE part of the offense in New York this year. Thanks for the memories, Tiki. It was fun while it lasted.
massraider
Footballguy
I still think Tiki will be a stud this year. But Jacobs has looked fantastic, this is the 2nd ime I've seen him this preseason, and he's looked great. Much, much better than Ithought he was.You guys watching the clinic Jacobs is putting on right now? Jacobs will be a HUGE part of the offense in New York this year. Thanks for the memories, Tiki. It was fun while it lasted.
brakeyawself
Footballguy
Yea, well considering this is preseason game 4, I get the feeling Tiki will get some looks this year.Tikki has NOT had a season EVER with under 52 receptions. jacobs might steal some TD's but Tikki will still be a huge part of the offense with at least 1800 yds from scrimmage, barring injury. MyYou guys watching the clinic Jacobs is putting on right now? Jacobs will be a HUGE part of the offense in New York this year. Thanks for the memories, Tiki. It was fun while it lasted.
pinequick
Footballguy
I fell for this schtick last year, fellas.He's trying to pull the ol' anti-jinx. Personally, I think Tiki Barber rules and I expect him to have a great season. He should really do well.Deal w/ that, H.K.Yea, well considering this is preseason game 4, I get the feeling Tiki will get some looks this year.Tikki has NOT had a season EVER with under 52 receptions. jacobs might steal some TD's but Tikki will still be a huge part of the offense with at least 1800 yds from scrimmage, barring injury. MyYou guys watching the clinic Jacobs is putting on right now? Jacobs will be a HUGE part of the offense in New York this year. Thanks for the memories, Tiki. It was fun while it lasted.
Isn't that some kind of penalty??I fell for this schtick last year, fellas.He's trying to pull the ol' anti-jinx. Personally, I think Tiki Barber rules and I expect him to have a great season. He should really do well.Deal w/ that, H.K.Yea, well considering this is preseason game 4, I get the feeling Tiki will get some looks this year.Tikki has NOT had a season EVER with under 52 receptions. jacobs might steal some TD's but Tikki will still be a huge part of the offense with at least 1800 yds from scrimmage, barring injury. MyYou guys watching the clinic Jacobs is putting on right now? Jacobs will be a HUGE part of the offense in New York this year. Thanks for the memories, Tiki. It was fun while it lasted.
Illegal use of the schtick? You can't carry schtick over from last year can you??
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
15 carries, 130 yards, 2 TD's. Sure it's pre-season but that ain't bad. Looks like he's improved from last year.
LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
He's going to eat into Tiki's numbers, big time. I don't care what anybody says.
brakeyawself
Footballguy
What if Coughlin held a press conference saying "brandon Jacobs will not eat in to Tiki's numbers." Would you still be so stuborn? Ha? Would you? But yea. Im
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LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
You're drunk, too?What if Coughlin held a press conference saying "brandon Jacobs will not eat in to Tiki's numbers." Would you still be so stuborn? Ha? Would you? But yea. Im
brakeyawself
Footballguy
Is it that oblivious?You're drunk, too?What if Coughlin held a press conference saying "brandon Jacobs will not eat in to Tiki's numbers." Would you still be so stuborn? Ha? Would you? But yea. Im
redman
Footballguy
That's what they said about Tommy Vardell.
H.K.
Footballguy
Jacobs emergence makes it statistically impossible for Barber to do well this year.I fell for this schtick last year, fellas.He's trying to pull the ol' anti-jinx. Personally, I think Tiki Barber rules and I expect him to have a great season. He should really do well.Deal w/ that, H.K.Yea, well considering this is preseason game 4, I get the feeling Tiki will get some looks this year.Tikki has NOT had a season EVER with under 52 receptions. jacobs might steal some TD's but Tikki will still be a huge part of the offense with at least 1800 yds from scrimmage, barring injury. MyYou guys watching the clinic Jacobs is putting on right now? Jacobs will be a HUGE part of the offense in New York this year. Thanks for the memories, Tiki. It was fun while it lasted.
omally
Footballguy
The Patriots barely played any of their 1st stringers, and the one's that played, weren't out there long at all. Jacobs was running against backups, and backup backups. Sure Jacobs will be the goal line back, and spell Tiki, but Tiki will be on the field most of the time. That's why he only played one series last night. Why don't people go crazy over Michael Turner cutting into LT's time? I know he isn't a goal line back like Jacobs, but Turner is a great running back. If you are doing your reverse jinx Tiki crap like last year, it gets old really fast. All it does is make waves, and it will probably jinx him this year.
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
Coughlin obviously realizes that if Tiki had received those 15 carries he'd have been well over 200 yards.What if Coughlin held a press conference saying "brandon Jacobs will not eat in to Tiki's numbers." Would you still be so stuborn? Ha? Would you? But yea. Im
brakeyawself
Footballguy
Those runningbacks were top 5 picks in the draft....Not even Moroney, Addai, Williams were top 5 picks in their draft.
Tong Po
Footballguy
Wow. That statement is so completely off the mark it's embarrassing.
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
Actually that's not entirely correct. Jacobs 57 yard TD came against the first team defense (which played through about the 8 minute mark of the second quarter).
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