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Marques Colston (1 Viewer)
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mightyeskimo
Footballguy
Hard to tell. The articles that lead to this conclusion can be questioned. Henderson is still in the mix and could start at that spot just as well. If Colston wins and/or holds on to the job he's an interesting prospect. Right now I'd say around 300-400 yards.
3C's
Footballguy
He wasn't a TE. But some clubs thought about making him a TE. He was a WR in college. Apparently, TE was never in the Saints plans for Colston. He should not be listed as a TE on any fantasy sites.
sheerterror
Footballguy
He played WR in College (1AA at Hofstra.) He's got some decent size for a WR, I think about 6'4 230ish, so I'm assuming most pro scouts figured he would be better off converting to TE, but the Saints liked what they saw in him at WR....could be wrong though.
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Sidewinder
Footballguy
As I posted in the other thread:...The fast impression of 2006 seventh-round pick Marques Colston, Payton said, made dealing Stallworth a bit easier. When asked if Colston would be the No. 2 receiver, Payton said, "Right now, no question." ...
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Seems pretty clear cut right now.
wannabee
Footballguy
He was a WR in college (Hofstra) who some scouts projected to a TE since he is a big guy. In fact, here is the scouting report (pre-draft) from NFL.com:
6'4" 223 lbs and ran a 4.51 40 time
SUMMARY
Colston is an interesting prospect because of his size/speed combination. He was first graded on Hofstra film in 2003 and he jumped out and made some big plays, but then he missed the 2004 season due to injury (he redshirted the 2004 season) and then had a very good comeback 2005 season. His measurables make you think he has the speed to be effective playing outside as a receiver, but once you watch a little film it is clear he lacks the burst and speed to get separation from NFL cornerbacks and is best suited to make the switch to tight end. At tight end, he has the speed to get down the seam vs. linebacker coverage and can get separation out of cuts. He has the frame to eventually bulk up to 240-plus pounds, will be able to run strong with the ball and gain yards after contact. He will be a good runner after the catch for a tight end. Overall, Colston is going to be drafted because of his measurables and college production as a receiver, but should only be signed as a free agent because he is a 'Tweener' between receiver and tight end. He can make an NFL team now as a third tight end and special teams player and eventually could develop into a starter if he plays aggressively and raises his level of intensity on every snap.
STRONG POINTS
Colston is a good athlete with the playing speed to run good routes as a tight end. His quickness helps him get out of cuts quickly to get separation on short routes and his play speed lets him get separation down the seam. He has very good hands and they combine with his athleticism, body control and concentration for him to adjust and make tough catches on off-target throws -- best when he reaches out and plucks the ball with his hands (in the games he was graded he caught 90 percent of passes thrown his way). He can drag tacklers for extra yards, can keep his feet vs. hard hits and can break tackles running after the catch. He consistently gains yards after contact.
WEAKNESSES
Colston was a receiver at Hofstra and will need to learn to play a new position while trying to build a career in the NFL. He is not explosive off the ball and this will hinder his ability to release quickly into route. He will need to learn how to fight through the linebacker jam. He was not a highly competitive blocker as a receiver, so he is going to clearly have to become an aggressive blocker to be productive in the NFL. On easy passes within his frame, he has a bad habit of body catching passes (although he does catch them). While he had outstanding size for a receiver, he is going to need to bulk up and add approximately 25 pounds to make it as a tight end
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/colston_marques
6'4" 223 lbs and ran a 4.51 40 time
SUMMARY
Colston is an interesting prospect because of his size/speed combination. He was first graded on Hofstra film in 2003 and he jumped out and made some big plays, but then he missed the 2004 season due to injury (he redshirted the 2004 season) and then had a very good comeback 2005 season. His measurables make you think he has the speed to be effective playing outside as a receiver, but once you watch a little film it is clear he lacks the burst and speed to get separation from NFL cornerbacks and is best suited to make the switch to tight end. At tight end, he has the speed to get down the seam vs. linebacker coverage and can get separation out of cuts. He has the frame to eventually bulk up to 240-plus pounds, will be able to run strong with the ball and gain yards after contact. He will be a good runner after the catch for a tight end. Overall, Colston is going to be drafted because of his measurables and college production as a receiver, but should only be signed as a free agent because he is a 'Tweener' between receiver and tight end. He can make an NFL team now as a third tight end and special teams player and eventually could develop into a starter if he plays aggressively and raises his level of intensity on every snap.
STRONG POINTS
Colston is a good athlete with the playing speed to run good routes as a tight end. His quickness helps him get out of cuts quickly to get separation on short routes and his play speed lets him get separation down the seam. He has very good hands and they combine with his athleticism, body control and concentration for him to adjust and make tough catches on off-target throws -- best when he reaches out and plucks the ball with his hands (in the games he was graded he caught 90 percent of passes thrown his way). He can drag tacklers for extra yards, can keep his feet vs. hard hits and can break tackles running after the catch. He consistently gains yards after contact.
WEAKNESSES
Colston was a receiver at Hofstra and will need to learn to play a new position while trying to build a career in the NFL. He is not explosive off the ball and this will hinder his ability to release quickly into route. He will need to learn how to fight through the linebacker jam. He was not a highly competitive blocker as a receiver, so he is going to clearly have to become an aggressive blocker to be productive in the NFL. On easy passes within his frame, he has a bad habit of body catching passes (although he does catch them). While he had outstanding size for a receiver, he is going to need to bulk up and add approximately 25 pounds to make it as a tight end
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/colston_marques
mightyeskimo
Footballguy
Didn't see that article. Saw two others that did not include that Payton quote. Still, there is a lot of competition at the position. I'll bump my original post to 400-600 yards.Also, I think Payton was just trying to motivate Tatum Bell.
...The fast impression of 2006 seventh-round pick Marques Colston, Payton said, made dealing Stallworth a bit easier. When asked if Colston would be the No. 2 receiver, Payton said, "Right now, no question." ...
Link
Seems pretty clear cut right now.
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Sidewinder
Footballguy
In case any one is interested, from today's T-P:
Link
... "Hey, if we loved him, we would have drafted him in the third round or the fourth round," Coach Sean Payton said. "But we liked him. "I think the feeling in the room was, here's a very athletic player who's got size, who's maybe not as developed as some of the other players who were on the draft board, who's maybe going to need a little bit more work. He had more potential than polish at the time."
Four months later, the 6-foot-4, 231-pound receiver from Hofstra has polished up rather nicely. He is penciled in as the Saints' starting receiver opposite Joe Horn heading into the season, and he made it easier for the Saints to trade away former starter Donté Stallworth to the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday.
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Not bad for one of the final four picks in the draft. In fact, neither Payton nor Saints vice president of player personnel Rick Mueller could ever remember someone drafted so low becoming a starter by Week 1. "I've got to be honest, he's probably outperformed what we thought he would do at this point. And that's to his credit," Mueller said. "He's really responded in camp. It hasn't been too big for him."
Payton said Colston is an "easy target" for his size and more importantly, he catches the ball when it's thrown to him. Colston also has been doing a good job with his playbook, lining up correctly and running the right routes.
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... "Hey, if we loved him, we would have drafted him in the third round or the fourth round," Coach Sean Payton said. "But we liked him. "I think the feeling in the room was, here's a very athletic player who's got size, who's maybe not as developed as some of the other players who were on the draft board, who's maybe going to need a little bit more work. He had more potential than polish at the time."
Four months later, the 6-foot-4, 231-pound receiver from Hofstra has polished up rather nicely. He is penciled in as the Saints' starting receiver opposite Joe Horn heading into the season, and he made it easier for the Saints to trade away former starter Donté Stallworth to the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday.
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Not bad for one of the final four picks in the draft. In fact, neither Payton nor Saints vice president of player personnel Rick Mueller could ever remember someone drafted so low becoming a starter by Week 1. "I've got to be honest, he's probably outperformed what we thought he would do at this point. And that's to his credit," Mueller said. "He's really responded in camp. It hasn't been too big for him."
Payton said Colston is an "easy target" for his size and more importantly, he catches the ball when it's thrown to him. Colston also has been doing a good job with his playbook, lining up correctly and running the right routes.
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Footballguy
A Gates-type player for Brees? Me likey.
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
Not an other one....Didn't see that article. Saw two others that did not include that Payton quote. Still, there is a lot of competition at the position. I'll bump my original post to 400-600 yards.Also, I think Payton was just trying to motivate Tatum Bell.
...The fast impression of 2006 seventh-round pick Marques Colston, Payton said, made dealing Stallworth a bit easier. When asked if Colston would be the No. 2 receiver, Payton said, "Right now, no question." ...
Link
Seems pretty clear cut right now.
Acme CEO
Footballguy
better to post info than random numbers pulled from arses11 posts and no projections.
Sidewinder
Footballguy
I think, perhaps, the bigger question is, does he stay listed as a TE on fantasy sites ?
Give Colston some very modest numbers for a WR2 (say 36 catches for 420 yds and 5 TDs). That's not far off Heath Miller numbers from last year (39/459/6), and in most scoring systems, Miller was right at the break point for a starting TE in a 12 team league.
Give Colston some very modest numbers for a WR2 (say 36 catches for 420 yds and 5 TDs). That's not far off Heath Miller numbers from last year (39/459/6), and in most scoring systems, Miller was right at the break point for a starting TE in a 12 team league.
Kleck.
Footballguy
This is key for me. If he gets moved to WR, there is a pretty good chance I let him go.
Acme CEO
Footballguy
this is the real question. as WR2, he'd put up great TE numbers.
I'm thinking there's going to be alot of #####ing by leaguemates if this was allowed.Kleck posted: "This is key for me. If he gets moved to WR, there is a pretty good chance I let him go." (sorry this is what my reply was directed towards)
I'm curious why this would be your reaction. If you are in a dynasty league, where NFL #1 or #2 WRs don't become available too often, Colston should hold some value unless you are completely stacked at the position. Also, who knows, Brees does not have any history with Horn or any other receiver on the team and if Colston is in a similar mold to Gates, Brees could latch onto him as one of his favorite targets.
Another point one should consider is that Horn is not getting any younger and has had his fair share of injuries over the years, making the #2 on the Saints that much more attractive.
Now, I am by no means saying that this guy should be anyone's #3 or even 4 receiver at this point, but he could easily slide into this role as soon as this season. Worth a roster spot in my opinion.
I'm curious why this would be your reaction. If you are in a dynasty league, where NFL #1 or #2 WRs don't become available too often, Colston should hold some value unless you are completely stacked at the position. Also, who knows, Brees does not have any history with Horn or any other receiver on the team and if Colston is in a similar mold to Gates, Brees could latch onto him as one of his favorite targets.
Another point one should consider is that Horn is not getting any younger and has had his fair share of injuries over the years, making the #2 on the Saints that much more attractive.
Now, I am by no means saying that this guy should be anyone's #3 or even 4 receiver at this point, but he could easily slide into this role as soon as this season. Worth a roster spot in my opinion.
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3C's
Footballguy
Already fixed in my league.this is the real question. as WR2, he'd put up great TE numbers.
Sidewinder
Footballguy
Just did a quick scan, looks like it's already done.
To clarify, my comments were based on redraft only, was not considering dynasty. I agree that he's probably worth a roster spot in a redraft, but my main point was that he certainly would have alot more value in a fantasy league if he's listed as a TE, and could be considered a borderline starter in a TE-required league.I'm curious why this would be your reaction. If you are in a dynasty league, where NFL #1 or #2 WRs don't become available too often, Colston should hold some value unless you are completely stacked at the position. Also, who knows, Brees does not have any history with Horn or any other receiver on the team and if Colston is in a similar mold to Gates, Brees could latch onto him as one of his favorite targets. Another point one should consider is that Horn is not getting any younger and has had his fair share of injuries over the years, making the #2 on the Saints that much more attractive. Now, I am by no means saying that this guy should be anyone's #3 or even 4 receiver at this point, but he could easily slide into this role as soon as this season. Worth a roster spot in my opinion.
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3C's
Footballguy
I had manually changed my league a couple of days ago so I couldn't be sure whether they had done it yet.Similar threads
