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I'd say DD's football career is over. :( I don't think there is any amount of time off that will help this to heal. Cartlidge does not grow back. Once it's gone, it's gone. He can always get an artificial knee, but he won't be able to play football on it.
How did his career deteriate so fast? He wasn't pounded on for 5-6 seasons...seems like a quick rush to judgement but your right, bone on bone is not anything you seem to be able to come back from in the NFL
What if Mario turns into an all Pro and Wali Lundy is not only servicable but also perhaps becomes an all pro...would the Bush passing be looked on as the same?
yeah, Kubiak definitely needs a dazzling RB; he's done nothing with the run of the mill RBs he had in Denver . . .
... and what if Reggie is merely a second-ballot HOFer? Then I'd say the Texans came out of the draft just fine.
I will give you that one... If Lundy were to become a great back, and Mario is an All pro, then they they will look like geniuses.... Till then, they are going to get murdered by the fans..I do hope Lundy does well... he has looked pretty good....
Curtis Martin is also dealing with the same thing and we all know he has come to the end of his career..looks like it could be Dom as well. Still cannot believe the Texans passed on Bush because they had Dom on the roster. Mario Williams could be the Sam Bowie pick of the NFL draft in a few years.
Agreed. I think Charlie Casserly had already seen the xrays and decided to go ahead and get out while the getting was good....J
Yes, Dom said that it was almost bone on bone. He was asked if he was going to have another surgery and Dom said that he did not want to get cut open again.Did he really say bone on bone?
2 words-stem cells
That might work in a few years. I don't think we're there yet (with humans), are we?
No we aren't. At least here in the US.
What did Kubiak have to do wth geting those RB's?
In one aspect, I was incredibly shocked the Texans passed on a player like Bush and I'm not even taking into account DD's long injury history. After thinking it through a little more after they passed on Bush, I wasn't shocked at all. The Texans have been morons from the start. 
I think a healthy Tony Boselli would have made a huge difference right from the start. They gambled and lost. I don't know whether it was a stupid gamble based on the information they had at the time.The Texans have been morons from the start.
You're right cr8f, very promising stuff.I know I did some research on the advancement of ACL surgeries in the old thread about Palmer possibly being out until week 6.
Could have. It's amazing how long the Boselli debacle affected that team.I think a healthy Tony Boselli would have made a huge difference right from the start. They gambled and lost. I don't know whether it was a stupid gamble based on the information they had at the time.The Texans have been morons from the start.
Casserly was supposedly on his way out. I always had a sneaking suspicion that skipping over Bush in favor of Williams was a big middle finger to the organization. Hey, I'm a conspiracist. Outside of that, I refuse to believe Charlie, et al, didn't know Dom was in worse-shape than they led-on.
I was just kidding vacaver. I dont think Casserly knew anything about Davis. But I do think knowing the heat that was coming after passing on Reggie Bush hastened the move.
What makes you think that?
Curtis Martin...Marshall Faulk?
Ah, like I said, I'm a conspiracist.
Honestly Joe, during the draft I was shocked that the Texans passed over Bush (I'm a Houston fan). Since I've had time to cool off and see more of Mario and his play/chemistry on the team I'm glad the Texans made the choice that they did.Kubiak saw a defense in shambles, and it really was horrible. Adding Mario and Ryans with the first two picks and switching to a 4-3 already seems to be paying SOME dividends. We're staying more competitive in games.Most Texans fans I know are perfectly happy by now with the Mario pick. Afterall we all just want to win, no matter how. Reggie might have made the team we root for flashier, but if Mario and Ryans keep us within reach and we have a chance to win each game, we'll all be happier for that.
Cool and great... had to provide the rebuttal. My doctor same one as Carson Palmers laughed about this and said it WAS MUCH LONGER AWAY than 10 years.BTW... I do believe they can grow some of your own cartlidge for transplants, etc... however, a solution that can hold up to the rigors of NFL day 2 day grind?? Maybe not.
Terrell Davis...there are a lot of RB that this happened to.
I'm officially on the Lundy bandwagon... mostly 'cause Joe saved me a seat!
I'll be riding him (Lundy, not Joe) to victory in TLSL this year...
We don't know what the future holds for Martin. Faulk has ligament damage, although I'm not exactly sure if he's bone on bone too. Davis was awhile back, but his big injury was the ACL.Jeff Hartings has been bone on bone for three years now and made the Pro Bowl each of the last two.
The Boselli selection has had bigger ramifications than just the state of the Texans. They helped out a division opponent. During that expansion draft, and along with taking Gary Walker and Seth Payne, they relieved the Jaguars of gigantic salary cap burdens. If not for this, the Jags would have an entirely different roster than they have today. Taking Boselli was more than just a missed gamble.I think a healthy Tony Boselli would have made a huge difference right from the start. They gambled and lost. I don't know whether it was a stupid gamble based on the information they had at the time.The Texans have been morons from the start.
It was still a gamble. Boselli, Walker and Payne were a package deal.The Boselli selection has had bigger ramifications than just the state of the Texans. They helped out a division opponent. During that expansion draft, and along with taking Gary Walker and Seth Payne, they relieved the Jaguars of gigantic salary cap burdens. If not for this, the Jags would have an entirely different roster than they have today. Taking Boselli was more than just a missed gamble.I think a healthy Tony Boselli would have made a huge difference right from the start. They gambled and lost. I don't know whether it was a stupid gamble based on the information they had at the time.The Texans have been morons from the start.
Lonnie Paulos seems to be a little behind the times, if that is indeed what he told you montanagold.I pulled this from the Palmer thread. Took me awhile to put it together because I can't just go in to copy & paste my old posts anymore, since Shick! locked the thread after Aaron Rudnicki bumped it for the Monday Night Cincy ~ vs ~ Packer game.
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Yes, a bad one.It was still a gamble. Boselli, Walker and Payne were a package deal.The Boselli selection has had bigger ramifications than just the state of the Texans. They helped out a division opponent. During that expansion draft, and along with taking Gary Walker and Seth Payne, they relieved the Jaguars of gigantic salary cap burdens. If not for this, the Jags would have an entirely different roster than they have today. Taking Boselli was more than just a missed gamble.I think a healthy Tony Boselli would have made a huge difference right from the start. They gambled and lost. I don't know whether it was a stupid gamble based on the information they had at the time.The Texans have been morons from the start.
It is widely believed that the Texans and Jags made a deal before the expansion draft. Houston relieves Jacksonville of Boselli's contract, and in return, the Jags make Payne and Walker available.The Boselli selection has had bigger ramifications than just the state of the Texans. They helped out a division opponent. During that expansion draft, and along with taking Gary Walker and Seth Payne, they relieved the Jaguars of gigantic salary cap burdens. If not for this, the Jags would have an entirely different roster than they have today. Taking Boselli was more than just a missed gamble.I think a healthy Tony Boselli would have made a huge difference right from the start. They gambled and lost. I don't know whether it was a stupid gamble based on the information they had at the time.The Texans have been morons from the start.
Pretty sure Martin's future is fairly bleak. Faulk is definitely bone on bone.TD's injury was certainly the ACL, but that was repaired. Unfortunately the cartlidge they had to clean out when repairng his ACL, is indeed what ended TD's career.The stress & torque a Center places on his knee, cannot be compared the stress & torque that is placed on the knee by a RB.If Martin, Faulk & DD played Center, there is a far greater chance that they would still be playing.
Its bad when more the half the football fans across the country could see who to take becomes DD has been overated and injury plagued. ( in my eyes i never got the hype ) Houston FO =
Will be know as one of the worst move in yearsHe was banged up in college (LSU) That is why he slipped in the draft and semmed to come out of nowhere. It was a matter of time. Westbrook is on his way with the foot and ankle problems...
The fans won't care one lick if they passed on Bush, as long as they're winning. The fans won't care one lick if they drafted Bush, as long as they're losing.Drafting players might win some short-term approval, but in order to earn long-term fan satisfaction (as well as a regular paycheck), a coach has to win... and Mario Williams will help the Texans win more than Reggie Bush would. I posted elsewhere, but Reggie Bush *HAS TO* become the best RB in the entire NFL in order to justify the contract that he signed, while Mario Williams merely has to become one of the top 10 or so DEs. On-field contributions aside, in terms of salary cap ramifications, Mario Williams should have been a no-brainer. In fact, if I were the Saints, I would have passed on Bush at #2, too. Although, I definitely understand why the franchise drafted him- they are ultimately still a business, and while Bush might not be the best way to turn the franchise into a consistant winner, he's far and away the best way to generate some serious income.
J