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WCOFF Pre-draft Thoughts (1 Viewer)

David Dodds

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I had hoped to pen the Perfect WCOFF Draft and time just got away from me. Hopefully next year, I can get get it all to paper.

Key Reference Material (Print out before your WCOFF Draft):

WCOFF Drafting Ranges

WCOFF ADP

In preparation for this piece though I will try my best to outline the biggest pieces of the strategy.

1. You need to approach this draft as trying to end up with the best team out of 800+ that will be playing. This is possibly the most important point. Beating 11 owners and qualifying for the big dance with a roster that can never win the event should not be the desired effort. Things that work in your normal 12 team league can be counter-productive to fielding a winning WCOFF team.

Specifically, I think these things are LOSING plays in WCOFF:

- Elite Handcuffs (The owners that won the big bucks last year had Shaun Alexander (or Tomlinson) AND Larry Johnson. Teams that took Priest Holmes AND Larry Johnson had a safe roster, but one that could never truly be elite because it took a 1st and 5th/6th round pick to get this handcuff.

This year plays like Foster/Williams (Car), Rhodes/Addai (Ind) and Bell/Bell (Den) should be avoided as tandums. Center in on the one player you expect to be best of the two and use just one roster spot. Think of it like this: 70ish teams will have DeAngelo Williams on their roster. Let's say Foster breaks a leg in week 3 and Williams is a top 12 RB the rest of the way. Let's also say all 70 teams got Williams in the 7th round. Which teams do you think IMMEDIATELY catapult to being WCOFF powerhouses? Likely the teams that just had Williams because they drafted other key CORE players. The teams that drafted both Foster and Williams have lost one of their stars already. It's doubtful that these handcuffed teams will compete for the title.

- Taking a QB before round 7. This has to do with the rules (1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 flex + PPR). Take a look at how things change for the top QB as the rules change (from the VBD App):

1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE (no flex, no PPR) - Manning = 8 overall

1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE (no flex, no PPR) - Manning = 13 overall

1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE (no flex, PPR) - Manning - 28 overall

1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE (flex, PPR) - Manning - 32 overall (WCOFF Rules)

All of the top QBs will be taken too early. Wait until the 8th round and then get ready to pounce on one of the best players left.

- Taking a TE early. Every year someone flying way below the radar at TE puts up solid numbers. Using a third rounder for someone like Gates will have you lagging behind all the owners that fielded a productive TE after round 10.

- Drafting a second QB, first defense and/or first PK in the first 2/3 of the draft The RBs and WRs are going to dry up. You need to have your share of these players to improve your chances that one emerges. Use your last picks to secure your second QB and first PK and defense. Do not draft more than one kicker or defense.

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I looked at a bunch of winning rosters and believe the winning teams had this in common:

1. After 5 rounds, they had either 2 RBs/3WRs or 3 RBs/2 WRs. Both strategies seem effective.

2. Drafting RB, RB, RB with your first three picks is generally a LOSING strategy.

3. The most common winning team design started with the first four picks as follows:

RB, WR, RB, WR and RB, WR, WR, RB

4. Winning teams roster a LOT of WRs. With the ability to start 4 on any given week, the WR position is VERY valuable in this format.

5. Winning teams had a solid CORE (first 6 picks) and many fliers AFTER that. These teams also were very active in the blind bidding process through the season.

6. Some of their HOMERUNS hit (either by the draft or waivers) to give them a very solid lineup every week. These homeruns by definition are not value picks. They are swings for the fences. Most end up being whiffs, but some (when hit) catapult teams to the top of this event.

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Digging Deep:

I tried to analyze the players that I think could represent homeruns based on their draft position. I define a homerun as someone who performs so well that they immediately surpass one of your top 5 picks. I think it's critical to try and land a few of these on your team. If a couple hit, you should have an elite roster.

Here are the guys that I think could CRUSH their ADP with the right opportunity (listed in position order only):

- QB Matt Leinart, Ari - The question is WHEN does Warner get hurt. The Cardinals have an easy schedule and should put up great passing stats all year.

- QB Jay Cutler, Den - I am convinced this rookie is better than Plummer NOW. If he gets a chance to start, he won't give this job up.

- QB Brett Favre, GB - He is no spring chicken, but this team will be forced to throw. His bad preseason has dropped him so far that it's almost criminal to draft him so late.

- QB Jon Kitna, Det - Anytime your offensive coordinator is Mike Martz, you need to pay attention. Expect the Lions to throw for a lot of passing yards. Martz might have been a bad head coach, but he is a mastermind at running a complex passing offense.

- RB Michael Turner, SD - He will be a starter in this league possibly as early as next year. No one is questioning his talent. His low ADP is based entirely on being logjammed behind superstud LaDainian Tomlinson. LT has a lot of mileage in his short career. IF he were to miss signicant time to injury, Turner would likely become a Top 10 back.

- RB Laurence Maroney, NE - In my opinion, this kid is already better than Corey Dillon. He just needs to be named the starter.

- RB Deangelo Williams, Car - If the preseason is any indication, he has a rare gear that could lead to a lot of long scores. If Foster were to miss even a game due to injury, Williams might open the door all he needs to wrestle away the starting gig.

- RB Jerious Norwood, Atl - The team saw enough skills to move Duckett in the offseason. Has just an aging Warrick Dunn in front of him.

- RB Jerome Harrison, Cle - When in doubt go young when swinging for the fences. He has looked great in the preseason. It's possible he leapfrogs Droughns during the season.

- RB Maurice Drew, Jax - Somewhat logjammed at RB, but predicting a Fred Taylor injury isn't too far-fetched.

- RB Vernand Morency, Hou - Something tells me this Lundy/Morency thing is not over. In my opinion, Morency provides for a bigger homerun play in the game and is the better blocker. Those are two things it sounds like the Texans will need.

- RB Derrick Blaylock, NYJ - He is officially a starting RB today. If he starts hot, he could be gold.

- RB Cedric Cobbs, Den - Weirder things have happened in Denver. The Denver system has provided great RB stats for years. A key fumble by Mike Bell and Cobbs could get a shot.

- RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG - Tiki is very old. Old backs break down. Jacobs displayed skills during the preseason.

- RB Michael Bennett, KC - Any back that sits behind Larry Johnson could be worth a lot if LJ went down to injury.

- WR Greg Jennings, GB - This rookie was good enough to make the starting lineup before week 1. All the reports out of the camps were glowing about him. We expect Favre to throw the ball a lot this year. Driver is also nursuing a sore hamstring. Connect the dots and you have a strong homerun threat.

- WR Bryant Johnson, Ari - Everyone knows about the dynamic duo (Boldin and Fitz). But Johnson can play too. If one of the big two were to get nicked, Johnson would soar up the rankings.

- WR Troy Williamson, Min - He looks to be the most explosive of the Minnesota WRs. He was drafted to be the deep threat. Maybe he realizes hisdream with a breakout season.

- WR Drew Carter, Car - Logjammed behind Steve Smith and Keyshawn Johnson, but he has solid skills. Just needs the chance.

- WR Brandon Marshall, Den - He is flying way below the radar. Will need an injury to either Rod Smith or Javon Walker to get on the field though.

- WR Chris Henry, Cin - TJ looks like he may miss week 1. What happens if Chris Henry catches 5 passes for 100 yards and 2 scores? He has the talent (and great QB play) to be a top WR if named to a starting spot.

- WR Samie Parker, KC - Trent Green just goes out and throws for 4,000 yards every year. Eddie Kennison and Tony Gonzalez are on the final stages of their careers. So maybe the younger Parker explodes onto the scene this season.

- WR Marques Colston, NO - Who? Exactly. He was good enough that the Saints sent Stallworth packing. Most of us don't know enough to assess this situation. But that has kept his value super low. That could all change once a game is played. Horn looks to have lost a step.

- TE Ben Troupe, Ten - He is going super late in drafts, but has very nice skills.

- TE Tony Scheffler, Den - Remember Shannon Sharpe? We do. Denver's coach Shanahan loves to involve the TE. He is getting rave reviews from the coaches, but is still a complete unknown in fantasy circles. Perhaps he is the hidden gem at TE that catapults your team.

- TE Ben Watson, NE - Unfortunately his value continues to shrink in drafts, but he could produce top numbers at the position. If you get a good WCOFF league, maybe you can get him at a reasonable price.

I am sure there are others too that I am overlooking. The most common trait to these homerun threats? They are young, but have displayed talent already. Talent finds a way to get on the field. And if they get the opportunity, they may not be asked to give the starting role back.

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Putting it all together.

1. Look to have 2 RBs and 3 WRs or 3 RBs and 2 WRs after 5 rounds. Avoid choosing a QB or TE this early. Do not draft RB, RB, RB with your first three picks. It will cost you too much production at the WR position.

2. Load up on homerun threats once you have established a core team that can be counted on. To be the best team you are going to need a few of these to hit.

3. Don't grab an early defense, kicker, backup QB or backup TE. All of these positions can be acquired cheaply on the waiver wire.

4. Take a shot early in the season on the waiver wire. Anquan Boldin and Willie Parker were two huge homeruns that hit after week 1 success in past years. Be ready to spend 85% of your waiver cap on a special player by week 3.

5. Wins are harder early. Everyone is trying their best. Once some teams go 0-4, wins are easier. Make sure your players have easy early schedules (Clayton Grays' Out of the Gate article in the FBG magazine will point you in the right direction).

OK that's it. Best of luck to all attending this event. Let's have a FBG win this thing.

 
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Putting it all together.1. Look to have 2 RBs and 3 WRs or 3 RBs and 2 WRs after 5 rounds. Avoid choosing a QB or TE this early. Do not draft RB, RB, RB with your first three picks. It will cost you too much production at the WR position.
Agreed with one exception...it looks like the #3 QB can be had in the 4th or 5th round in some drafts...if Palmer slides I'd take him in most instances.
2. Load up on homerun threats once you have established a core team that can be counted on. To be the best team you are going to need a few of these to hit.
Yes, in my strategy threads I emphasized Matt Jones and Maroney as big time upside picks that I'd target.
 
:goodposting:

I'm there now, and looking forward to the draft in a few hours. Have the #11 and believe it or not, like it a lot this year...

 
:goodposting: I'm there now, and looking forward to the draft in a few hours. Have the #11 and believe it or not, like it a lot this year...
:jealous: :hot: good post Dave. Agree that you should wait on TE, but don't miss the chance if a guy like Shockey slides to the 5/6 turn for example.
 
:goodposting: I'm there now, and looking forward to the draft in a few hours. Have the #11 and believe it or not, like it a lot this year...
:jealous: :hot: good post Dave. Agree that you should wait on TE, but don't miss the chance if a guy like Shockey slides to the 5/6 turn for example.
I wouldn't touch a TE at the 5/6 turn...not with Maroney/Matt Jones type players available. This year you can get Troupe/LJ Smith late...those are the guys I'd be targeting at TE...several rounds later.
 
Other players I might take a late round stab at:

Marcus Robinson - when healthy might be the best big play WR on the Vikes

Goings - He's the primary backup not Williams

Baker - Nice yards per game last year, with Pennington and a new coaching staff who knows?

V. Jackson - Maybe Rivers is everything Tremblay thinks he will be

 
I think an intrigiung TE pick will be Heath Miller. You get to bank a HUGE week 1 when wins are the toughest to get. It will likely depend on which random league you are in. I am guessing he will be a value play in some leagues and way over-priced in others.

 
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I think an intrigiung TE pick will be Heath Miller. You get to bank a HUGE week 1 when wins are the toughest to get. It will likely depend on chich random league you are in. I am guessing he will be a value play in some leagues and way over-priced in others.
I was thinking the same...also based on Thursday's game, Batch should definitely be drafted late for the guaranteed week 1 points.
 
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:goodposting: I'm there now, and looking forward to the draft in a few hours. Have the #11 and believe it or not, like it a lot this year...
Best of luck.
Thanks, I've done pretty well in the past. It does take some serious analysis and understanding to "get" the 11 week season and lineup requirements in order.
who are you targeting at the 11/14 slots?
Honestly? Because the RB run is an unknown, I won't know until I'm on the clock. With that said, it will be a WR then RB if I like 3 RBs the same. McGahee, Parker and LaMont. I really won't know though, and that's the tough spot w/ this one. I do not like Caddy as much.So WR Chad/Fitzgerald/HoltRB Parker McGahee LaMont(wishful thinking)
 
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I think an intrigiung TE pick will be Heath Miller. You get to bank a HUGE week 1 when wins are the toughest to get. It will likely depend on chich random league you are in. I am guessing he will be a value play in some leagues and way over-priced in others.
I was thinking the same...also based on Thursday's game, Batch should definitely be drafted late for the guaranteed week 1 points.
That's definitely a HUGE Shark play. Draft him, play him week 1 and drop him next week.
 
:goodposting: I'm there now, and looking forward to the draft in a few hours. Have the #11 and believe it or not, like it a lot this year...
Best of luck.
Thanks, I've done pretty well in the past. It does take some serious analysis and understanding to "get" the 11 week season and lineup requirements in order.
who are you targeting at the 11/14 slots?
Honestly? Because the RB run is an unknown, I won't know until I'm on the clock. With that said, it will be a WR then RB if I like 3 RBs the same. McGahee, Parker and LaMont. I really won't know though, and that's the tough spot w/ this one. I do not like Caddy as much.So WR Chad/Fitzgerald/HoltRB Parker McGahee LaMont(wishful thinking)
Caddy's early season schedule isn't bad and I think he's got the most upside. Fitz or CJ are great picks at 14.
 
- QB Matt Leinart, Ari - The question is WHEN does Warner get hurt. The Cardinals have an easy schedule and should put up great passing stats all year.

- QB Jay Cutler, Den - I am convinced this rookie is better than Plummer NOW. If he gets a chance to start, he won't give this job up.

- QB Brett Favre, GB - He is no spring chicken, but this team will be forced to throw. His bad preseason has dropped him so far that it's almost criminal to draft him so late.

- QB Jon Kitna, Det - Anytime your offensive coordinator is Mike Martz, you need to pay attention. Expect the Lions to throw for a lot of passing yards. Martz might have been a bad head coach, but he is a mastermind at running a complex passing offense.

- RB Michael Turner, SD - He will be a starter in this league possibly as early as next year. No one is questioning his talent. His low ADP is based entirely on being logjammed behind superstud LaDainian Tomlinson. LT has a lot of mileage in his short career. IF he were to miss signicant time to injury, Turner would likely become a Top 10 back.

- RB Laurence Maroney, NE - In my opinion, this kid is already better than Corey Dillon. He just needs to be named the starter.

- RB Deangelo Williams, Car - If the preseason is any indication, he has a rare gear that could lead to a lot of long scores. If Foster were to miss even a game due to injury, Williams might open the door all he needs to wrestle away the starting gig.

- RB Jerious Norwood, Atl - The team saw enough skills to move Duckett in the offseason. Has just an aging Warrick Dunn in front of him.

- RB Jerome Harrison, Cle - When in doubt go young when swinging for the fences. He has looked great in the preseason. It's possible he leapfrogs Droughns during the season.

- RB Maurice Drew, Jax - Somewhat logjammed at RB, but predicting a Fred Taylor injury isn't too far-fetched.

- RB Vernand Morency, Hou - Something tells me this Lundy/Morency thing is not over. In my opinion, Morency provides for a bigger homerun play in the game and is the better blocker. Those are two things it sounds like the Texans will need.

- RB Derrick Blaylock, NYJ - He is officially a starting RB today. If he starts hot, he could be gold.

- RB Cedric Cobbs, Den - Weirder things have happened in Denver. The Denver system has provided great RB stats for years. A key fumble by Mike Bell and Cobbs could get a shot.

- RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG - Tiki is very old. Old backs break down. Jacobs displayed skills during the preseason.

- RB Michael Bennett, KC - Any back that sits behind Larry Johnson could be worth a lot if LJ went down to injury.

- WR Greg Jennings, GB - This rookie was good enough to make the starting lineup before week 1. All the reports out of the camps were glowing about him. We expect Favre to throw the ball a lot this year. Driver is also nursuing a sore hamstring. Connect the dots and you have a strong homerun threat.

- WR Bryant Johnson, Ari - Everyone knows about the dynamic duo (Boldin and Fitz). But Johnson can play too. If one of the big two were to get nicked, Johnson would soar up the rankings.

- WR Troy Williamson, Min - He looks to be the most explosive of the Minnesota WRs. He was drafted to be the deep threat. Maybe he realizes hisdream with a breakout season.

- WR Drew Carter, Car - Logjammed behind Steve Smith and Keyshawn Johnson, but he has solid skills. Just needs the chance.

- WR Brandon Marshall, Den - He is flying way below the radar. Will need an injury to either Rod Smith or Javon Walker to get on the field though.

- WR Chris Henry, Cin - TJ looks like he may miss week 1. What happens if Chris Henry catches 5 passes for 100 yards and 2 scores? He has the talent (and great QB play) to be a top WR if named to a starting spot.

- WR Samie Parker, KC - Trent Green just goes out and throws for 4,000 yards every year. Eddie Kennison and Tony Gonzalez are on the final stages of their careers. So maybe the younger Parker explodes onto the scene this season.

- WR Marques Colston, NO - Who? Exactly. He was good enough that the Saints sent Stallworth packing. Most of us don't know enough to assess this situation. But that has kept his value super low. That could all change once a game is played. Horn looks to have lost a step.

- TE Ben Troupe, Ten - He is going super late in drafts, but has very nice skills.

- TE Tony Scheffler, Den - Remember Shannon Sharpe? We do. Denver's coach Shanahan loves to involve the TE. He is getting rave reviews from the coaches, but is still a complete unknown in fantasy circles. Perhaps he is the hidden gem at TE that catapults your team.

- TE Ben Watson, NE - Unfortunately his value continues to shrink in drafts, but he could produce top numbers at the position. If you get a good WCOFF league, maybe you can get him at a reasonable price.
Personally I think you're wasting a pick on a backup rookie QB. There will be starting QBs on waivers that will be more reliable options then a rookie. Regarding your backup RBs, it would be smarter to focus on RBs from teams that will score often, I'd look elsewhere then the Browns and Jets. Rookie TEs and WRs...how much of an impact are they really going to have?
 
:goodposting: I'm there now, and looking forward to the draft in a few hours. Have the #11 and believe it or not, like it a lot this year...
Best of luck.
Thanks, I've done pretty well in the past. It does take some serious analysis and understanding to "get" the 11 week season and lineup requirements in order.
who are you targeting at the 11/14 slots?
Honestly? Because the RB run is an unknown, I won't know until I'm on the clock. With that said, it will be a WR then RB if I like 3 RBs the same. McGahee, Parker and LaMont. I really won't know though, and that's the tough spot w/ this one. I do not like Caddy as much.So WR Chad/Fitzgerald/HoltRB Parker McGahee LaMont(wishful thinking)
Caddy's early season schedule isn't bad and I think he's got the most upside. Fitz or CJ are great picks at 14.
Caddy will finish in the top 5 this year. In this format I have him ranked ahead of Alexander.
 
- QB Matt Leinart, Ari - The question is WHEN does Warner get hurt. The Cardinals have an easy schedule and should put up great passing stats all year.

- QB Jay Cutler, Den - I am convinced this rookie is better than Plummer NOW. If he gets a chance to start, he won't give this job up.

- QB Brett Favre, GB - He is no spring chicken, but this team will be forced to throw. His bad preseason has dropped him so far that it's almost criminal to draft him so late.

- QB Jon Kitna, Det - Anytime your offensive coordinator is Mike Martz, you need to pay attention. Expect the Lions to throw for a lot of passing yards. Martz might have been a bad head coach, but he is a mastermind at running a complex passing offense.

- RB Michael Turner, SD - He will be a starter in this league possibly as early as next year. No one is questioning his talent. His low ADP is based entirely on being logjammed behind superstud LaDainian Tomlinson. LT has a lot of mileage in his short career. IF he were to miss signicant time to injury, Turner would likely become a Top 10 back.

- RB Laurence Maroney, NE - In my opinion, this kid is already better than Corey Dillon. He just needs to be named the starter.

- RB Deangelo Williams, Car - If the preseason is any indication, he has a rare gear that could lead to a lot of long scores. If Foster were to miss even a game due to injury, Williams might open the door all he needs to wrestle away the starting gig.

- RB Jerious Norwood, Atl - The team saw enough skills to move Duckett in the offseason. Has just an aging Warrick Dunn in front of him.

- RB Jerome Harrison, Cle - When in doubt go young when swinging for the fences. He has looked great in the preseason. It's possible he leapfrogs Droughns during the season.

- RB Maurice Drew, Jax - Somewhat logjammed at RB, but predicting a Fred Taylor injury isn't too far-fetched.

- RB Vernand Morency, Hou - Something tells me this Lundy/Morency thing is not over. In my opinion, Morency provides for a bigger homerun play in the game and is the better blocker. Those are two things it sounds like the Texans will need.

- RB Derrick Blaylock, NYJ - He is officially a starting RB today. If he starts hot, he could be gold.

- RB Cedric Cobbs, Den - Weirder things have happened in Denver. The Denver system has provided great RB stats for years. A key fumble by Mike Bell and Cobbs could get a shot.

- RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG - Tiki is very old. Old backs break down. Jacobs displayed skills during the preseason.

- RB Michael Bennett, KC - Any back that sits behind Larry Johnson could be worth a lot if LJ went down to injury.

- WR Greg Jennings, GB - This rookie was good enough to make the starting lineup before week 1. All the reports out of the camps were glowing about him. We expect Favre to throw the ball a lot this year. Driver is also nursuing a sore hamstring. Connect the dots and you have a strong homerun threat.

- WR Bryant Johnson, Ari - Everyone knows about the dynamic duo (Boldin and Fitz). But Johnson can play too. If one of the big two were to get nicked, Johnson would soar up the rankings.

- WR Troy Williamson, Min - He looks to be the most explosive of the Minnesota WRs. He was drafted to be the deep threat. Maybe he realizes hisdream with a breakout season.

- WR Drew Carter, Car - Logjammed behind Steve Smith and Keyshawn Johnson, but he has solid skills. Just needs the chance.

- WR Brandon Marshall, Den - He is flying way below the radar. Will need an injury to either Rod Smith or Javon Walker to get on the field though.

- WR Chris Henry, Cin - TJ looks like he may miss week 1. What happens if Chris Henry catches 5 passes for 100 yards and 2 scores? He has the talent (and great QB play) to be a top WR if named to a starting spot.

- WR Samie Parker, KC - Trent Green just goes out and throws for 4,000 yards every year. Eddie Kennison and Tony Gonzalez are on the final stages of their careers. So maybe the younger Parker explodes onto the scene this season.

- WR Marques Colston, NO - Who? Exactly. He was good enough that the Saints sent Stallworth packing. Most of us don't know enough to assess this situation. But that has kept his value super low. That could all change once a game is played. Horn looks to have lost a step.

- TE Ben Troupe, Ten - He is going super late in drafts, but has very nice skills.

- TE Tony Scheffler, Den - Remember Shannon Sharpe? We do. Denver's coach Shanahan loves to involve the TE. He is getting rave reviews from the coaches, but is still a complete unknown in fantasy circles. Perhaps he is the hidden gem at TE that catapults your team.

- TE Ben Watson, NE - Unfortunately his value continues to shrink in drafts, but he could produce top numbers at the position. If you get a good WCOFF league, maybe you can get him at a reasonable price.
Personally I think you're wasting a pick on a backup rookie QB. There will be starting QBs on waivers that will be more reliable options then a rookie. Regarding your backup RBs, it would be smarter to focus on RBs from teams that will score often, I'd look elsewhere then the Browns and Jets. Rookie TEs and WRs...how much of an impact are they really going to have?
You are probably right on the ones that are crossed off. I almost did not list any QBs as that is not a position you need to stockpile players. I think you are wrong about Bennett. He can be had for pennies and would be worth a lot if LJ went down with an injury.
 
I am here and drafting in 45 minutes. Like alot of what you had to say, especially about trying to win it all, especially since I love my team in the high stakes WCOFF league.

LHucks because of you I drafted Maroney in that league (I was already very high on Matt Jones).

Wish I had a little more time to digest all of this. Drafting in the 10 spot - I was convinced by Doug Drinen's article on the mathematical draft - I am going with my #1 WR in the spot.

 
I am here and drafting in 45 minutes. Like alot of what you had to say, especially about trying to win it all, especially since I love my team in the high stakes WCOFF league.LHucks because of you I drafted Maroney in that league (I was already very high on Matt Jones).Wish I had a little more time to digest all of this. Drafting in the 10 spot - I was convinced by Doug Drinen's article on the mathematical draft - I am going with my #1 WR in the spot.
:thumbup: where did you get maroney?I don't agree with drafting a WR in the first round.
 
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Agreed with one exception...it looks like the #3 QB can be had in the 4th or 5th round in some drafts...if Palmer slides I'd take him in most instances.
:goodposting: I'm there now, and looking forward to the draft in a few hours. Have the #11 and believe it or not, like it a lot this year...
:jealous: :hot: good post Dave. Agree that you should wait on TE, but don't miss the chance if a guy like Shockey slides to the 5/6 turn for example.
I wouldn't touch a TE at the 5/6 turn...not with Maroney/Matt Jones type players available. This year you can get Troupe/LJ Smith late...those are the guys I'd be targeting at TE...several rounds later.
so taking the potential #2 QB, in a format that does everything to de-emphasize QBs, in the 4th/5th round makes sense, but taking the potential #2 TE, in ppr format, in the 5th/6th round doesn't? Of course i can get Troupe/LJ several rounds later. i can also get Plummer/Warner/Delhomme/Vick several rounds later. TE2 is worth more to me than QB2 in this format.
 
Agreed with one exception...it looks like the #3 QB can be had in the 4th or 5th round in some drafts...if Palmer slides I'd take him in most instances.
:goodposting: I'm there now, and looking forward to the draft in a few hours. Have the #11 and believe it or not, like it a lot this year...
:jealous: :hot: good post Dave. Agree that you should wait on TE, but don't miss the chance if a guy like Shockey slides to the 5/6 turn for example.
I wouldn't touch a TE at the 5/6 turn...not with Maroney/Matt Jones type players available. This year you can get Troupe/LJ Smith late...those are the guys I'd be targeting at TE...several rounds later.
so taking the potential #2 QB, in a format that does everything to de-emphasize QBs, in the 4th/5th round makes sense, but taking the potential #2 TE, in ppr format, in the 5th/6th round doesn't? Of course i can get Troupe/LJ several rounds later. i can also get Plummer/Warner/Delhomme/Vick several rounds later. TE2 is worth more to me than QB2 in this format.
Well, I like Warner particularly so I can't fault you there.
 
Great stuff Dave! :thumbup:

For what its worth, I am in several WCOFF-like big money leagues (though never the Big One) and drafted Maroney in every one. In the earliest draft I took him at 4.08 - before the knee news. In the second draft I took him at 5.08, just before the knee announcement. In the last, 2 days latter, I was able to get him at 6.05 - a day after the news broke on the knee. It didn't scare me that much because of BBs usual antics, but thought he would slide just enough to go WR in the 5th. (I drafted at 5 and 8x2.)

So Dave, I obviously think your analysis is right on the money. No one can win WCOFF drafting safe IMO. The guys who got LJ last year didn't take a flyer on him in the 5-6 range, generally. No, they probably had to swing for the fences in the 4th. Maroney is this years LJ IMO. De Williams has similar upside, but with a productive Foster ahead of him, and Goings the official (current) backup, and memories of CAR last year, I will let someone else burn a 7th on him. That 7th play, if you can get him, is Marion Barber, the one other guy that should be on your list. He is every bit the Maroney play, but at slightly better value. Alas, I only got him in 2/3.

The moral of my story is this: Since Maroney does not even show up on this week's injury report, he will not last till the mid/late 5th in a WCOFF draft. At least half the draft will be gunning for him IMHO. There is a strong chance that the guy who breaks out in these leagues would have drafted Maroney and/or Barber. I suspect a better chance then LJ last year, since he still had a very productive Holmes in front of him. I do not see him getting by the 4/5 turn in these drafts - ever.

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You are probably right on the ones that are crossed off. I almost did not list any QBs as that is not a position you need to stockpile players. I think you are wrong about Bennett. He can be had for pennies and would be worth a lot if LJ went down with an injury.
I think Leinart is a must. He's going in the freaking 16th round in WCOFF.There isn't a better HOME RUN value on the board in the 16th round.He plays with two of the best WR's in the game on the #1 passing offense in the game behind a rickety old immobile QB.Leinart = valueHere's hoping my boys TigerFan and bagger get him today.btw - I heard Fro was able to get Droughns in the 5th round. WOW. Our team is seriously deep at WR so far but we've had no value fall to us like that.We waited until the 12th to get Plummer... :) :thumbup: We are dominating WCOFF so far.
 
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Just got off the phone with a guy who is drafting in the Atlantic City portion.

WOW

Portis and SSmith slid to 2.12 and 3.1

Most of the WRs gone by 6.12

 
Sounds good Joe. Love the Plummer in the 12th thing.

With Leinart, no one has brought up an obvious issue. If you draft Warner you must get Leinart. I have seen others say "don't do it, get a value pick like Plummer instead!" The problem here, of course, is that you have to burn another mid pick (10-12) to do that. The whole point is to be taking sleeper WRs and RBs, and starting TEs in that range. The reason Leinart is such good value is because he preserves the ARI QB position for the Warner owner, and at a reasonable value.

I got Leinart in the 15th after taking Warner. Discovered that he would have not gotten back to me in the 16th. Sorry, but I wouldn't draft Warner without his parachute...

 
sad that joe t didn't call me to help me draft my team...

here it is boys, tear it up..

from the 12 hole:

parker

mcgahee

dillon

burress

glenn

matt jones

eli manning

deangelo williams

pittsburgh

roddy white

samie parker

buckhalter

dallas clark

maurice drew

rivers

cotchery

colston

mike robinson

stover

mangum

 
- QB Matt Leinart, Ari - The question is WHEN does Warner get hurt. The Cardinals have an easy schedule and should put up great passing stats all year.

- QB Jay Cutler, Den - I am convinced this rookie is better than Plummer NOW. If he gets a chance to start, he won't give this job up.

- QB Brett Favre, GB - He is no spring chicken, but this team will be forced to throw. His bad preseason has dropped him so far that it's almost criminal to draft him so late.

- QB Jon Kitna, Det - Anytime your offensive coordinator is Mike Martz, you need to pay attention. Expect the Lions to throw for a lot of passing yards. Martz might have been a bad head coach, but he is a mastermind at running a complex passing offense.

- RB Michael Turner, SD - He will be a starter in this league possibly as early as next year. No one is questioning his talent. His low ADP is based entirely on being logjammed behind superstud LaDainian Tomlinson. LT has a lot of mileage in his short career. IF he were to miss signicant time to injury, Turner would likely become a Top 10 back.

- RB Laurence Maroney, NE - In my opinion, this kid is already better than Corey Dillon. He just needs to be named the starter.

- RB Deangelo Williams, Car - If the preseason is any indication, he has a rare gear that could lead to a lot of long scores. If Foster were to miss even a game due to injury, Williams might open the door all he needs to wrestle away the starting gig.

- RB Jerious Norwood, Atl - The team saw enough skills to move Duckett in the offseason. Has just an aging Warrick Dunn in front of him.

- RB Jerome Harrison, Cle - When in doubt go young when swinging for the fences. He has looked great in the preseason. It's possible he leapfrogs Droughns during the season.

- RB Maurice Drew, Jax - Somewhat logjammed at RB, but predicting a Fred Taylor injury isn't too far-fetched.

- RB Vernand Morency, Hou - Something tells me this Lundy/Morency thing is not over. In my opinion, Morency provides for a bigger homerun play in the game and is the better blocker. Those are two things it sounds like the Texans will need.

- RB Derrick Blaylock, NYJ - He is officially a starting RB today. If he starts hot, he could be gold.

- RB Cedric Cobbs, Den - Weirder things have happened in Denver. The Denver system has provided great RB stats for years. A key fumble by Mike Bell and Cobbs could get a shot.

- RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG - Tiki is very old. Old backs break down. Jacobs displayed skills during the preseason.

- RB Michael Bennett, KC - Any back that sits behind Larry Johnson could be worth a lot if LJ went down to injury.

- WR Greg Jennings, GB - This rookie was good enough to make the starting lineup before week 1. All the reports out of the camps were glowing about him. We expect Favre to throw the ball a lot this year. Driver is also nursuing a sore hamstring. Connect the dots and you have a strong homerun threat.

- WR Bryant Johnson, Ari - Everyone knows about the dynamic duo (Boldin and Fitz). But Johnson can play too. If one of the big two were to get nicked, Johnson would soar up the rankings.

- WR Troy Williamson, Min - He looks to be the most explosive of the Minnesota WRs. He was drafted to be the deep threat. Maybe he realizes hisdream with a breakout season.

- WR Drew Carter, Car - Logjammed behind Steve Smith and Keyshawn Johnson, but he has solid skills. Just needs the chance.

- WR Brandon Marshall, Den - He is flying way below the radar. Will need an injury to either Rod Smith or Javon Walker to get on the field though.

- WR Chris Henry, Cin - TJ looks like he may miss week 1. What happens if Chris Henry catches 5 passes for 100 yards and 2 scores? He has the talent (and great QB play) to be a top WR if named to a starting spot.

- WR Samie Parker, KC - Trent Green just goes out and throws for 4,000 yards every year. Eddie Kennison and Tony Gonzalez are on the final stages of their careers. So maybe the younger Parker explodes onto the scene this season.

- WR Marques Colston, NO - Who? Exactly. He was good enough that the Saints sent Stallworth packing. Most of us don't know enough to assess this situation. But that has kept his value super low. That could all change once a game is played. Horn looks to have lost a step.

- TE Ben Troupe, Ten - He is going super late in drafts, but has very nice skills.

- TE Tony Scheffler, Den - Remember Shannon Sharpe? We do. Denver's coach Shanahan loves to involve the TE. He is getting rave reviews from the coaches, but is still a complete unknown in fantasy circles. Perhaps he is the hidden gem at TE that catapults your team.

- TE Ben Watson, NE - Unfortunately his value continues to shrink in drafts, but he could produce top numbers at the position. If you get a good WCOFF league, maybe you can get him at a reasonable price.
Personally I think you're wasting a pick on a backup rookie QB. There will be starting QBs on waivers that will be more reliable options then a rookie. Regarding your backup RBs, it would be smarter to focus on RBs from teams that will score often, I'd look elsewhere then the Browns and Jets. Rookie TEs and WRs...how much of an impact are they really going to have?
You are probably right on the ones that are crossed off. I almost did not list any QBs as that is not a position you need to stockpile players. I think you are wrong about Bennett. He can be had for pennies and would be worth a lot if LJ went down with an injury.
I'm a little biased towards Dee Brown since I trained with him early in the year.
 
You are probably right on the ones that are crossed off. I almost did not list any QBs as that is not a position you need to stockpile players. I think you are wrong about Bennett. He can be had for pennies and would be worth a lot if LJ went down with an injury.
I think Leinart is a must. He's going in the freaking 16th round in WCOFF.There isn't a better HOME RUN value on the board in the 16th round.He plays with two of the best WR's in the game on the #1 passing offense in the game behind a rickety old immobile QB.Leinart = valueHere's hoping my boys TigerFan and bagger get him today.btw - I heard Fro was able to get Droughns in the 5th round. WOW. Our team is seriously deep at WR so far but we've had no value fall to us like that.We waited until the 12th to get Plummer... :) :thumbup: We are dominating WCOFF so far.
I just don't see it Joe. When has a rookie QB come off the bench and produced QB1 like fantasy numbers? He's not starting the year and missed a ton of camp. The odds of him being a productive player are slim.
 
You are probably right on the ones that are crossed off. I almost did not list any QBs as that is not a position you need to stockpile players. I think you are wrong about Bennett. He can be had for pennies and would be worth a lot if LJ went down with an injury.
I think Leinart is a must. He's going in the freaking 16th round in WCOFF.There isn't a better HOME RUN value on the board in the 16th round.He plays with two of the best WR's in the game on the #1 passing offense in the game behind a rickety old immobile QB.Leinart = valueHere's hoping my boys TigerFan and bagger get him today.btw - I heard Fro was able to get Droughns in the 5th round. WOW. Our team is seriously deep at WR so far but we've had no value fall to us like that.We waited until the 12th to get Plummer... :) :thumbup: We are dominating WCOFF so far.
I just don't see it Joe. When has a rookie QB come off the bench and produced QB1 like fantasy numbers? He's not starting the year and missed a ton of camp. The odds of him being a productive player are slim.
You are correct. But what if??? Its a swing for the fence, and a necessary one for Warner owners.
 
- QB Jon Kitna, Det - Anytime your offensive coordinator is Mike Martz, you need to pay attention. Expect the Lions to throw for a lot of passing yards. Martz might have been a bad head coach, but he is a mastermind at running a complex passing offense.

- RB Michael Turner, SD - He will be a starter in this league possibly as early as next year. No one is questioning his talent. His low ADP is based entirely on being logjammed behind superstud LaDainian Tomlinson. LT has a lot of mileage in his short career. IF he were to miss signicant time to injury, Turner would likely become a Top 10 back.

- RB Laurence Maroney, NE - In my opinion, this kid is already better than Corey Dillon. He just needs to be named the starter.

- RB Deangelo Williams, Car - If the preseason is any indication, he has a rare gear that could lead to a lot of long scores. If Foster were to miss even a game due to injury, Williams might open the door all he needs to wrestle away the starting gig.

- RB Jerious Norwood, Atl - The team saw enough skills to move Duckett in the offseason. Has just an aging Warrick Dunn in front of him.

- RB Jerome Harrison, Cle - When in doubt go young when swinging for the fences. He has looked great in the preseason. It's possible he leapfrogs Droughns during the season.

- RB Maurice Drew, Jax - Somewhat logjammed at RB, but predicting a Fred Taylor injury isn't too far-fetched.

- RB Vernand Morency, Hou - Something tells me this Lundy/Morency thing is not over. In my opinion, Morency provides for a bigger homerun play in the game and is the better blocker. Those are two things it sounds like the Texans will need.

- RB Derrick Blaylock, NYJ - He is officially a starting RB today. If he starts hot, he could be gold.

- RB Cedric Cobbs, Den - Weirder things have happened in Denver. The Denver system has provided great RB stats for years. A key fumble by Mike Bell and Cobbs could get a shot.

- RB Brandon Jacobs, NYG - Tiki is very old. Old backs break down. Jacobs displayed skills during the preseason.

- RB Michael Bennett, KC - Any back that sits behind Larry Johnson could be worth a lot if LJ went down to injury.

- WR Greg Jennings, GB - This rookie was good enough to make the starting lineup before week 1. All the reports out of the camps were glowing about him. We expect Favre to throw the ball a lot this year. Driver is also nursuing a sore hamstring. Connect the dots and you have a strong homerun threat.

- WR Bryant Johnson, Ari - Everyone knows about the dynamic duo (Boldin and Fitz). But Johnson can play too. If one of the big two were to get nicked, Johnson would soar up the rankings.

- WR Troy Williamson, Min - He looks to be the most explosive of the Minnesota WRs. He was drafted to be the deep threat. Maybe he realizes hisdream with a breakout season.

- WR Drew Carter, Car - Logjammed behind Steve Smith and Keyshawn Johnson, but he has solid skills. Just needs the chance.

- WR Brandon Marshall, Den - He is flying way below the radar. Will need an injury to either Rod Smith or Javon Walker to get on the field though.

- WR Chris Henry, Cin - TJ looks like he may miss week 1. What happens if Chris Henry catches 5 passes for 100 yards and 2 scores? He has the talent (and great QB play) to be a top WR if named to a starting spot.

- WR Samie Parker, KC - Trent Green just goes out and throws for 4,000 yards every year. Eddie Kennison and Tony Gonzalez are on the final stages of their careers. So maybe the younger Parker explodes onto the scene this season.

- WR Marques Colston, NO - Who? Exactly. He was good enough that the Saints sent Stallworth packing. Most of us don't know enough to assess this situation. But that has kept his value super low. That could all change once a game is played. Horn looks to have lost a step.

- TE Ben Troupe, Ten - He is going super late in drafts, but has very nice skills.

- TE Tony Scheffler, Den - Remember Shannon Sharpe? We do. Denver's coach Shanahan loves to involve the TE. He is getting rave reviews from the coaches, but is still a complete unknown in fantasy circles. Perhaps he is the hidden gem at TE that catapults your team.

- TE Ben Watson, NE - Unfortunately his value continues to shrink in drafts, but he could produce top numbers at the position. If you get a good WCOFF league, maybe you can get him at a reasonable price.

I am sure there are others too that I am overlooking. The most common trait to these homerun threats? They are young, but have displayed talent already. Talent finds a way to get on the field. And if they get the opportunity, they may not be asked to give the starting role back.

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Well David lets see if your strategy works, because I pretty much ran with it:

A solid core: CJ/Westy/Gore/Driver/Chris Brown.

Then I added: Matt Jones

L. Maroney

A Bryant

T Williamson

J Delhomme

C Henry

B Troupe

C Batch

D Carter

C Cobbs

B Marshall

Thats 10 players off your list (I'm not counting Delhomme in the 11th round), most of them were on my list as well. Chris Simms who could have been on your list, but has the Tasty home for NO on Delhomme's bye. I didn't back up Troupe because Batch will go for a TE off the waiver wire next week)

Quibbles: Taking Chris Brown over Ben Watson (this is the one I was pissed off at myself for, though I love Chris Brown); Taking Williamson over Turner thinking Turner would make it 4 picks, he made it 3. And possibly taking Driver over Evans.

BTW, S Smith was in the 3rd round in 1/2 of the leagues and in my league went 3.05 1 league had Smith/Moss/Owens/Harrison/Wayne AND Boldin available at the top of round 3. 19 RBs, 3 WRs, 2 QBs in the first two rounds

I added C Simms
 
Putting it all together.

1. Look to have 2 RBs and 3 WRs or 3 RBs and 2 WRs after 5 rounds. Avoid choosing a QB or TE this early. Do not draft RB, RB, RB with your first three picks. It will cost you too much production at the WR position.
Agreed with one exception...it looks like the #3 QB can be had in the 4th or 5th round in some drafts...if Palmer slides I'd take him in most instances.
2. Load up on homerun threats once you have established a core team that can be counted on. To be the best team you are going to need a few of these to hit.
Yes, in my strategy threads I emphasized Matt Jones and Maroney as big time upside picks that I'd target.
Good players think alike...http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=4946315

Unfortunately.. I didn't get either... BUT... I did land Maurice Drew as a cuff for Freddie!

Drafted from the 6 spot

Ronnie B

Marvin

Gates

S Moss

Freddie T

Heap

Kennison

Benson

Moulds

CPep (and wk 1 Batch, lol)

 
Putting it all together.

1. Look to have 2 RBs and 3 WRs or 3 RBs and 2 WRs after 5 rounds. Avoid choosing a QB or TE this early. Do not draft RB, RB, RB with your first three picks. It will cost you too much production at the WR position.
Agreed with one exception...it looks like the #3 QB can be had in the 4th or 5th round in some drafts...if Palmer slides I'd take him in most instances.
2. Load up on homerun threats once you have established a core team that can be counted on. To be the best team you are going to need a few of these to hit.
Yes, in my strategy threads I emphasized Matt Jones and Maroney as big time upside picks that I'd target.
Good players think alike...http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=4946315

Unfortunately.. I didn't get either... BUT... I did land Maurice Drew as a cuff for Freddie!

Drafted from the 6 spot

Ronnie B

Marvin

Gates

S Moss

Freddie T

Heap

Kennison

Benson

Moulds

CPep (and wk 1 Batch, lol)
 
we had the 4 hole:

1-r brown

2-r bush

3-r wayne

4-driver

5-houshman

6-m barber

7-watson

8-d bennett

9-m vick

10-mc cardell

11- a brooks

12-c henry

13- m drew

14-duckett

15-rackers

16-b calhoun

17-miami d

18-leftwich

19-arizona d (for this week only)

20-jason wright

wish i had had the opportunity to read daivid's post before the draft but just didnt see it. i know the mistake was 3 qb's, maybe watson a little too early.not enough wr's. i had just seen that wright and calhoun had won their backup rb jobs.

would appreciate feed back on this draft!

 
I'm sure this is a great event, but it really seems silly to have any draft after the first game of the season, especially one for this kind of dough. How can it not have an impact on the outcome of the draft? Heath Miller has to go higher than he probably should, and Batch doesn't get drafted in 80% of leagues before Thursday. And as mentioned, it skews the position of guys like S. Smith and Portis. It's like playing blackjack with one card dealt before taking a spot at the table.

 
we had the 4 hole: 1-r brown2-r bush3-r wayne4-driver5-houshman6-m barber7-watson8-d bennett9-m vick10-mc cardell11- a brooks12-c henry13- m drew14-duckett15-rackers16-b calhoun17-miami d18-leftwich19-arizona d (for this week only)20-jason wrightwish i had had the opportunity to read daivid's post before the draft but just didnt see it. i know the mistake was 3 qb's, maybe watson a little too early.not enough wr's. i had just seen that wright and calhoun had won their backup rb jobs. would appreciate feed back on this draft!
I wish you much health and luck with your starting RBs.
 
I'm sure this is a great event, but it really seems silly to have any draft after the first game of the season, especially one for this kind of dough. How can it not have an impact on the outcome of the draft? Heath Miller has to go higher than he probably should, and Batch doesn't get drafted in 80% of leagues before Thursday. And as mentioned, it skews the position of guys like S. Smith and Portis. It's like playing blackjack with one card dealt before taking a spot at the table.
when would you hold the draft?
 
I'm sure this is a great event, but it really seems silly to have any draft after the first game of the season, especially one for this kind of dough. How can it not have an impact on the outcome of the draft? Heath Miller has to go higher than he probably should, and Batch doesn't get drafted in 80% of leagues before Thursday. And as mentioned, it skews the position of guys like S. Smith and Portis. It's like playing blackjack with one card dealt before taking a spot at the table.
when would you hold the draft?
uh - the weekend before the first game of the season? or would that be crazy talk?
 
I'm sure this is a great event, but it really seems silly to have any draft after the first game of the season, especially one for this kind of dough. How can it not have an impact on the outcome of the draft? Heath Miller has to go higher than he probably should, and Batch doesn't get drafted in 80% of leagues before Thursday. And as mentioned, it skews the position of guys like S. Smith and Portis. It's like playing blackjack with one card dealt before taking a spot at the table.
when would you hold the draft?
uh - the weekend before the first game of the season? or would that be crazy talk?
getting 1000 people to go to Vegas on Labor Day weekend? Good luck with that. As someone that's spent time on their message board, i can tell you there's a LOT of people that wouldn't go.
 
I'm sure this is a great event, but it really seems silly to have any draft after the first game of the season, especially one for this kind of dough. How can it not have an impact on the outcome of the draft? Heath Miller has to go higher than he probably should, and Batch doesn't get drafted in 80% of leagues before Thursday. And as mentioned, it skews the position of guys like S. Smith and Portis. It's like playing blackjack with one card dealt before taking a spot at the table.
when would you hold the draft?
uh - the weekend before the first game of the season? or would that be crazy talk?
getting 1000 people to go to Vegas on Labor Day weekend? Good luck with that. As someone that's spent time on their message board, i can tell you there's a LOT of people that wouldn't go.
that's odd. I thought that a long weekend is EXACTLY the time you'd want to goto a place like Vegas or Atlantic City ...
 
I'm sure this is a great event, but it really seems silly to have any draft after the first game of the season, especially one for this kind of dough. How can it not have an impact on the outcome of the draft? Heath Miller has to go higher than he probably should, and Batch doesn't get drafted in 80% of leagues before Thursday. And as mentioned, it skews the position of guys like S. Smith and Portis. It's like playing blackjack with one card dealt before taking a spot at the table.
when would you hold the draft?
uh - the weekend before the first game of the season? or would that be crazy talk?
getting 1000 people to go to Vegas on Labor Day weekend? Good luck with that. As someone that's spent time on their message board, i can tell you there's a LOT of people that wouldn't go.
that's odd. I thought that a long weekend is EXACTLY the time you'd want to goto a place like Vegas or Atlantic City ...
:shrug: i wouldn't go, always have family plansi think a lot more people have local drafts on labor day weekend as well. as i said in a different post, in the 2nd year WCOFF thought about moving the draft up a week to labor day weekend, and the majority was overwhelmingly against it. drafting on Saturday and watching all the games the next day with guys in your own league is really a great experience.
 
we had the 4 hole: 1-r brown2-r bush3-r wayne4-driver5-houshman6-m barber7-watson8-d bennett9-m vick10-mc cardell11- a brooks12-c henry13- m drew14-duckett15-rackers16-b calhoun17-miami d18-leftwich19-arizona d (for this week only)20-jason wrightwish i had had the opportunity to read daivid's post before the draft but just didnt see it. i know the mistake was 3 qb's, maybe watson a little too early.not enough wr's. i had just seen that wright and calhoun had won their backup rb jobs. would appreciate feed back on this draft!
you had to win your league with this squad, right?
 
Here are the guys that I think could CRUSH their ADP with the right opportunity (listed in position order only):- RB Maurice Drew, Jax - Somewhat logjammed at RB, but predicting a Fred Taylor injury isn't too far-fetched.- WR Marques Colston, NO - Who? Exactly. He was good enough that the Saints sent Stallworth packing. Most of us don't know enough to assess this situation. But that has kept his value super low. That could all change once a game is played. Horn looks to have lost a step.
Nice!
 

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