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Jerry Porter, OAK Sep. 12 - 1:49 am et

Jerry Porter was reportedly "seen laughing and pumping his fist along the bench when (Aaron) Brooks was sacked a seventh time" Monday night.

Porter, who was inactive for the contest, can't be in the Raiders' plans for this season. He probably hasn't been traded or released only because of the large cap hit Oakland would take as a result.

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

I'm generally not the type to get upset over the actions of NFL players at this point, but I find this genuinely disgusting. Unreal.

 
Jerry Porter, OAK Sep. 12 - 1:49 am etJerry Porter was reportedly "seen laughing and pumping his fist along the bench when (Aaron) Brooks was sacked a seventh time" Monday night.Porter, who was inactive for the contest, can't be in the Raiders' plans for this season. He probably hasn't been traded or released only because of the large cap hit Oakland would take as a result.Source: San Francisco ChronicleI'm generally not the type to get upset over the actions of NFL players at this point, but I find this genuinely disgusting. Unreal.
i'd be more disgusted at that Raider O-Line if I'm an Oakland fan.
 
If true, the only reason I can imagine that the Raiders don't pull a "Eagles on TO" move to suspend and ban Porter from the facilities would be because the Raiders are... well... the Raiders.

 
If true, the only reason I can imagine that the Raiders don't pull a "Eagles on TO" move to suspend and ban Porter from the facilities would be because the Raiders are... well... the Raiders.
And the fact that they really can't anymore.
 
Jerry Porter, OAK Sep. 12 - 1:49 am etJerry Porter was reportedly "seen laughing and pumping his fist along the bench when (Aaron) Brooks was sacked a seventh time" Monday night.Porter, who was inactive for the contest, can't be in the Raiders' plans for this season. He probably hasn't been traded or released only because of the large cap hit Oakland would take as a result.Source: San Francisco ChronicleI'm generally not the type to get upset over the actions of NFL players at this point, but I find this genuinely disgusting. Unreal.
If this is true, what are the Raiders to do? Would another team give up anything to have this guy on their team? He appears to be trying his hardest to get released, but Al Davis just may be hard-headed enough to make this guy rot on the bench.
 
I hope Davis makes him rot the bench as an example to anyone else... that is he can get us a left tackle that knows how to block.

 
The Raiders's smashing success proves they do not need Porter, or anything they could get for him in a trade.

 
Keys Myaths said:
fatness said:
The Raiders's smashing success proves they do not need Porter, or anything they could get for him in a trade.
Porter doesn't help when the QB is on the ground, and the cap hit would be too extreme to trade him.Anything else?
So paying a guy millions to keep him inactive is smart team management, the best they can do for their bucks? And it's even better strategy because the team sucks? Thanks for straightening me out on that.
 
Keys Myaths said:
fatness said:
The Raiders's smashing success proves they do not need Porter, or anything they could get for him in a trade.
Porter doesn't help when the QB is on the ground, and the cap hit would be too extreme to trade him.Anything else?
So paying a guy millions to keep him inactive is smart team management, the best they can do for their bucks? And it's even better strategy because the team sucks? Thanks for straightening me out on that.
No, it's smart because there's nothing else TO do with him.They can't AFFORD to trade him. They're not going to play him, and they shouldn't.Seriously, read a little bit about the situation. It'll clear all of that up.
 
No, it's smart because there's nothing else TO do with him.

They can't AFFORD to trade him. They're not going to play him, and they shouldn't.
That's where they've gone wrong. Of course they can play him. He's better than any WR they have out there except Moss. The whole problem with Porter started when Shell and Biletnikof got in his face over something small in their first meeting, and has escalated on both sides since then. They can choose to handle it differently.
Seriously, read a little bit about the situation. It'll clear all of that up.
Come on, you're better than that.
 
"Jerry Porter., What a rotten, worthless piece of crap."
I've seen a worthless piece of crapI know what a worthless piece of crap looks like

And you, Mr. Porter, are no piece of crap!

- Ryan Leaf

 
No, it's smart because there's nothing else TO do with him.

They can't AFFORD to trade him. They're not going to play him, and they shouldn't.
That's where they've gone wrong. Of course they can play him. He's better than any WR they have out there except Moss. The whole problem with Porter started when Shell and Biletnikof got in his face over something small in their first meeting, and has escalated on both sides since then. They can choose to handle it differently.
Seriously, read a little bit about the situation. It'll clear all of that up.
Come on, you're better than that.
Dude was cheering for the other team openly. Do you really not understand why you can't play him?Really?

 
A new coaching staff came in and handled things so badly that they have deactivated their #2 WR and traded their #3 WR already. Their team got decimated by a division rival in the first game. Think the coaching staff has much support in the locker room now? I don't. This team could come apart in a few more weeks.

The way to handle it is for Shell to meet with Porter, fine him for the behavior, and start having him run as WR#2 in practice. Discipline for misbehavior, getting some use out of a decent player. Both would benefit the coaching staff and the team.

Getting nothing out of him for the whole year is absolutely stupid.

 
The way to handle it is for Shell to meet with Porter, fine him for the behavior, and start having him run as WR#2 in practice. Discipline for misbehavior, getting some use out of a decent player. Both would benefit the coaching staff and the team.
Then this is where we disagree.I think NONE of that will help.
 
The way to handle it is for Shell to meet with Porter, fine him for the behavior, and start having him run as WR#2 in practice. Discipline for misbehavior, getting some use out of a decent player. Both would benefit the coaching staff and the team.
Then this is where we disagree.I think NONE of that will help.
Then we look at it differently. I look at "What might help here? What are the problems?" I've had employees do some pretty stupid things over the years, and I've made mistakes with employees also. The main thing is to make the best of it you can. If Porter continues to blow chances at redemption, then I'll agree with you that nothing will help. But to this point nothing has been tried, so it's hard to say nothing will help.
 
i think they might have to pony up and trade him and take the cap hit. it could be worth the $$$ to get rid of the cancer from the locker room before it really starts to effect the other players. moss didn't look like a happy camper last night and if he is brought to the darkside things will get real ugly.

locker room cancer + 0-6 start = DISASTER

 
The rumor making the rounds is that Porter was inactive last night because the trade to the Pats was imminent. That might explain why Porter might have been laughing and fist-pumping at a soon-to-be-ex-teammate.

Still, it's pretty classless. As a Pats homer, I'm not sure I like bringing this guy into the fold, if this is all true...

 
The way to handle it is for Shell to meet with Porter, fine him for the behavior, and start having him run as WR#2 in practice. Discipline for misbehavior, getting some use out of a decent player. Both would benefit the coaching staff and the team.
Then this is where we disagree.I think NONE of that will help.
Then we look at it differently. I look at "What might help here? What are the problems?" I've had employees do some pretty stupid things over the years, and I've made mistakes with employees also. The main thing is to make the best of it you can. If Porter continues to blow chances at redemption, then I'll agree with you that nothing will help. But to this point nothing has been tried, so it's hard to say nothing will help.
If this were Porter's first time in hot water, that would be one thing.It's nothing against you, but I'm done with this discussion. I got zero sleep last night, so at this point, I'm going to go in circles.
 
The rumor making the rounds is that Porter was inactive last night because the trade to the Pats was imminent. That might explain why Porter might have been laughing and fist-pumping at a soon-to-be-ex-teammate.Still, it's pretty classless. As a Pats homer, I'm not sure I like bringing this guy into the fold, if this is all true...
I would be completely amazed if the Pats traded for Porter.
 
C'mon, how many of you jokers hollered out "Ooooo, great value at that pick. Moss is drawing all the attention" when you got the guy still holding out hope he was going to have a respectable season?

I KNOW one of y'uns did it. :lmao:

 
How does Porter not get punched in the face by one of his teammates?
A WR that laughs at their QB getting sacked, a QB that laughs on the sidelines after getting benched for poor play, a head coach that looked 100% clueless, an offensive coordinator that's more qualified to cook pancakes then come up with any scheme and a 'star' WR that looked closer to tears then a TD. The whole team looked like it didn't give a #### last night. If Porter is a cancer in the locker room, then the Raiders organization only has leaches and blood letting to try to cure it.
 
How does Porter not get punched in the face by one of his teammates?
Well, to be fair, Brooks was on the sideline smiling and yukking it up while Walter was running for his life and while the Raiders D was having their hats handed to them ...The Raiders are a mess ...
 
A new coaching staff came in and handled things so badly that they have deactivated their #2 WR and traded their #3 WR already. Their team got decimated by a division rival in the first game. Think the coaching staff has much support in the locker room now? I don't. This team could come apart in a few more weeks.

The way to handle it is for Shell to meet with Porter, fine him for the behavior, and start having him run as WR#2 in practice. Discipline for misbehavior, getting some use out of a decent player. Both would benefit the coaching staff and the team.

Getting nothing out of him for the whole year is absolutely stupid.
Well, that would be the end of the discipline era for Art Shell. One thing that I think needs to be understood about Porter:

This is not a guy that the staff picked on, and then he just got fed up and demanded a trade. What makes Porter's trangressions so unforgiveable, is that he's been considered Al Davis' "boy" since he got here. He had problems with Gruden right from the beginning, complaining about PT (poor guy was sitting behind Rice and Brown). He had nagging injury problems, and a primadonna routine that is usually reserved for receivers with much more impressive resumes. Yet he got a new contract, pretty quickly, and without any kind of negotiation. We didn't even know that he was in negotiations, and bam, he had a new deal. This seemed to confirm the "Al Davis favorite" status.

He got into an argument with Shell and Belitnikoff before the season started. We've heard Porter's version of the story, and even that just seemed to be the most mild of disagreements. Yet, suddenly, Porter is irate, he wants out, he's yammering on about how he wanted Mike Martz as coach, and on and on.

Whatever support the team has in the locker room, you think it's going to improve by playing Porter? This is an incredibly young team, and Shell is trying to establish his rules. Giving Porter playing time is sending the message loud and clear: Do whatever you want.

The Raiders showed they had problems last night, but a WR is not one of them. Man, if Porter played left tackle, you migth have an argument. How on earth is Porter gonna help this team? What is he gonna do that Ron Curry can't do?

If they can trade him swell. If not, let him rot on the bench, hopefully become a forgotten man, and then get rid of him after the year. The Raiders are in rebuilding mode, it's more important to play the guys that are gonna be here for the long haul.

 
Well, that would be the end of the discipline era for Art Shell.
What discipline is there on the Raiders now?
Well, to be fair, Brooks was on the sideline smiling and yukking it up while Walter was running for his life and while the Raiders D was having their hats handed to them ...The Raiders are a mess ...
A WR that laughs at their QB getting sacked, a QB that laughs on the sidelines after getting benched for poor play, a head coach that looked 100% clueless, an offensive coordinator that's more qualified to cook pancakes then come up with any scheme and a 'star' WR that looked closer to tears then a TD. The whole team looked like it didn't give a #### last night. If Porter is a cancer in the locker room, then the Raiders organization only has leaches and blood letting to try to cure it.
Shell hasn't demonstrated that he can coach. His team is 0-1, got pounded thoroughly by a division rival, and he's playing tough guy while the team gets pummelled? Wrong time to do that. He needs to improve his coaching, fast, and build some support on the team or they'll quit before midseason. A head coach trying to enforce discipline doesn't mean a lot if the team is going to be 3-13 for several years.
 
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Well, that would be the end of the discipline era for Art Shell.
What discipline is there on the Raiders now?
Well, to be fair, Brooks was on the sideline smiling and yukking it up while Walter was running for his life and while the Raiders D was having their hats handed to them ...The Raiders are a mess ...
A WR that laughs at their QB getting sacked, a QB that laughs on the sidelines after getting benched for poor play, a head coach that looked 100% clueless, an offensive coordinator that's more qualified to cook pancakes then come up with any scheme and a 'star' WR that looked closer to tears then a TD. The whole team looked like it didn't give a #### last night. If Porter is a cancer in the locker room, then the Raiders organization only has leaches and blood letting to try to cure it.
Shell hasn't demonstrated that he can coach. His team is 0-1, got pounded thoroughly by a division rival, and he's playing tough guy while the team gets pummelled? Wrong time to do that. He needs to improve his coaching, fast, and build some support on the team or they'll quit before midseason. A head coach trying to enforce discipline doesn't mean a lot if the team is going to be 3-13 for several years.
Saying that he needs to build support on the team implies that he has none. That's an assumption. And you may be right, but I still would like to know how rewarding insubordination helps this team.
 
The way to handle it is for Shell to meet with Porter, fine him for the behavior, and start having him run as WR#2 in practice. Discipline for misbehavior, getting some use out of a decent player. Both would benefit the coaching staff and the team.
Then this is where we disagree.I think NONE of that will help.
Then we look at it differently. I look at "What might help here? What are the problems?" I've had employees do some pretty stupid things over the years, and I've made mistakes with employees also. The main thing is to make the best of it you can. If Porter continues to blow chances at redemption, then I'll agree with you that nothing will help. But to this point nothing has been tried, so it's hard to say nothing will help.
How many employees have repeatedly, intentionally tried to sabotage the company or undermine your authority? If he was just a stupid tool who didn't know any better, then maybe there could be "redemption". This is a guy trying to be as poisonous as possible on that team in order to get something he wants. You do NOT reward that. Given the Raiders' poor prospects for this season, what do they have to lose here really? I think it's more important for Shell to change the attitude on that team than it is to make sure that his second best WR is on the field.
 
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The way to handle it is for Shell to meet with Porter, fine him for the behavior, and start having him run as WR#2 in practice. Discipline for misbehavior, getting some use out of a decent player. Both would benefit the coaching staff and the team.
Then this is where we disagree.I think NONE of that will help.
Then we look at it differently. I look at "What might help here? What are the problems?" I've had employees do some pretty stupid things over the years, and I've made mistakes with employees also. The main thing is to make the best of it you can. If Porter continues to blow chances at redemption, then I'll agree with you that nothing will help. But to this point nothing has been tried, so it's hard to say nothing will help.
How many employees have repeatedly, intentionally tried to sabotage the company or undermine your authority? If he was just a stupid tool who didn't know any better, then maybe there could be "redemption". This is a guy trying to be as poisonous as possible on that team in order to get something he wants. You do NOT reward that. Given the Raiders' poor prospects for this season, what do they have to lose here really? I think it's more important for Shell to change the attitude on that team than it is to make sure that his second best WR is on the field.
I think the fastest way to change the attitude on the team would be to fire Shell.
 
The way to handle it is for Shell to meet with Porter, fine him for the behavior, and start having him run as WR#2 in practice. Discipline for misbehavior, getting some use out of a decent player. Both would benefit the coaching staff and the team.
Then this is where we disagree.I think NONE of that will help.
Then we look at it differently. I look at "What might help here? What are the problems?" I've had employees do some pretty stupid things over the years, and I've made mistakes with employees also. The main thing is to make the best of it you can. If Porter continues to blow chances at redemption, then I'll agree with you that nothing will help. But to this point nothing has been tried, so it's hard to say nothing will help.
How many employees have repeatedly, intentionally tried to sabotage the company or undermine your authority? If he was just a stupid tool who didn't know any better, then maybe there could be "redemption". This is a guy trying to be as poisonous as possible on that team in order to get something he wants. You do NOT reward that. Given the Raiders' poor prospects for this season, what do they have to lose here really? I think it's more important for Shell to change the attitude on that team than it is to make sure that his second best WR is on the field.
I think the fastest way to change the attitude on the team would be to fire Shell.
Shell never had a chance with this team. Why any man with ANY relevant experience in his background would take a head coaching position with this team is beyond me.
 
How does Porter not get punched in the face by one of his teammates?
A WR that laughs at their QB getting sacked, a QB that laughs on the sidelines after getting benched for poor play, a head coach that looked 100% clueless, an offensive coordinator that's more qualified to cook pancakes then come up with any scheme and a 'star' WR that looked closer to tears then a TD. The whole team looked like it didn't give a #### last night. If Porter is a cancer in the locker room, then the Raiders organization only has leaches and blood letting to try to cure it.
[peyton]"Check it to pancakes!"

[/peyton]

 
How many employees have repeatedly, intentionally tried to sabotage the company or undermine your authority? If he was just a stupid tool who didn't know any better, then maybe there could be "redemption". This is a guy trying to be as poisonous as possible on that team in order to get something he wants. You do NOT reward that.
When the problem situation is part of my own doing, I try to undo it. Simple as that. Then it's up to the employee to make his/her choices about how to behave, whether to continue working here or not. I'm not so concerned with superficial stuff as with the important stuff. Everyone who works here has told me to get ####ed at one time or another. That's superficial. But nobody who works here is doing a half-assed job. That's what I care about, because that's how we get our work done well. It's not generally successful to start confrontations with employees, then do nothing to undo those confrontations, and end up with an employee you're paying who is doing no work. And to end up with other employees giving a half-assed effort like the Raiders have, or will have. You have to have some kind of successful plan to follow that people can buy into, and then let them work. Or not. Shell's got nothing successful going for him. His team got pancaked. I'm not saying Porter's blameless. I figure he's about like Donte "bad attitude" Stallworth. If he had Stalworth's stats this weekend we wouldn't be having this talk. I don't think he's anywhere near the problem that Terrell owens is, where the team made repeated efforts to get the best out of him. But no WR on the Raiders could have a successful day like Stallworth's with as badly as that team is functioning. That's on Shell and Davis. You can draw all the hard lines you want as a coach or owner, but at some point you have to put a team on the field that can play and will play.
 
I don't approve of Porter's actions but for whatever it's worth, it's looking more and more like he was 100% correct in his opinion of the Art Shell hiring. The Raiders don't have the players to be world beaters but they have enough talent on both sides of the ball to win ~8 games. It's just one game into the '06 season but considering the preseason, the handling of the Porter situation, trading Gabriel, and now a home opener where I'm relatively certain a 10 year old kid who plays Madden '07 on his Playstation halfway decent could have done a better job play calling, I have to rank Shell dead last among the 32 coaches. He was nothing special when he made his exit stage left what seems like ages ago, and taking his 1992 playbook out of moth balls definitely isn't the answer now. I've always disliked the Raiders but I almost feel sorry for them right now......almost.....and this is coming from a Bills fan. :shock:

 
Shell never had a chance with this team. Why any man with ANY relevant experience in his background would take a head coaching position with this team is beyond me.
Are you serious? Who the hell else is going to hire Art Shell as a head coach? He sucks. Taking Art Shell as your coach is like... well, it's like taking Aaron Brooks as your QB.
 
I think Jerry Porter and Joey Porter should start a reality show called Porter and Porter, or maybe a detective show. Although I don't see them solving many mysteries as they are both morons. It might be good for a laugh... :thumbup:

 

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