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I think Ron Dayne can get 1 yard per rush like Bush did last weekend. Bush has been contributing, but I actually want my RB to run the ball when I am paying him $50M a yr.With that being said, Mario hasn't been productive so far...but I don't regret us not taking Bush. We are okay in Houston......
So it's ok to judge Bush off 1 game, but not Mario? Nice of you to ignore week 1 where Bush did just fine "actually running the ball" as well.
Well, the fact that Bush hasn't "ran the ball" has more to do with how he's being used - only had 21 carries. He's also top 10 in the NFL in receptions through two weeks, but I guess it's okay to just IGNORE that. He'll be used in the way that gives the team the best way to win.** New Orlens - 2-0
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Sure thing man. Bush has a terrible game running the ball, and still has 192 yards from scrimmage, 20th in the NFL despite not having broken a big one. Meanwhile, Mario has gotten pushed around. The Texans were too cheap to take the best player in the draft, and Saint fans couldn't be happier.2-0
I'm judging Bush off of what he has shown me in his years at USC and so far in the NFL. For whatever reason (opportunity, other good backs, just can't do it, whatever), he hasn't shown that he can handle a full load as a rusher. I am not that impressed with his 3.4 yards per carry in the regular season (yes, only two games...but he doesn't look like that great of a runner to me if he can't beat you to the outside). He had 1 long rush (off a busted play) in the preseason....and didn't look that good as a runner then either (in the preseason). Maroney has looked better as a RB so far...Norwood as well.And if you read my post, you would see where I said Mario hasn't been productive so far.
Ironically, pretty soon between Dayne and Bush there could only be ONE Heisman award.Hey we said we'd get a Heisman winner back there carrying the ball and this Sunday it becomes true. God help us all.
It's nice to be multi-dimensional. Again, if I take a RB #1 and pay him $50M I expect him to be able to produce running the ball. I have receivers to catch. Last I checked players like Westbrook, Pittman or Metcalf weren't worth $50M.
A) Philly & Indy vs Cleveland & Green Bay....yeah, hell of a difference buddy.B) The Saints would be better than the Texans without Bush. I guess you forgot about their new reveiver, new QB, and the RB they got back from injury.Scoreboard.
Do you have a point? Because from here it sounds like one of two things.1) You're a Texans fan talking #### about your 0-2 record.A) Philly & Indy vs Cleveland & Green Bay....yeah, hell of a difference buddy.B) The Saints would be better than the Texans without Bush. I guess you forgot about their new reveiver, new QB, and the RB they got back from injury.Scoreboard.
You clearly never watched the Browns game. Bush did a pretty good job running inside picking up the tough yards. I also see no reason to force someone to "handle a full load" when he's multi-dimensional and has a player like Deuce to run the ball as well. Bush may never be the best RB, but his impact will always be huge. Texans blew it big time.
Again, Bush has contributed, and that is great. I just wouldn't want him as my main back. I think he is a good multi-dimensional player, but not that awesome of a runner. I would rather have a back like Adrian Peterson.And why do people keep mentioning the total yards from scrimmage (including punt returns/kick off returns). Plug any player back there and they can get 5-10 yards per return in most cases. Unless the averages are much better than the normal player (i.e. a Dante Hall) I don't think that extra benefit makes up for not being that effective of a runner (as far as effective enough to get my $50M). Again, I DRAFT A RB TO RUN THE BALL, and that is my main concern for that position. The extra stuff (receptions, kick off yards) don't mean as much to me if I can't hand you the rock and say move the chains.
Actually 192 yards from scrimmage, 20th in the NFL, does NOT include punt returns or kick off returns.And I like how you admit that you're not happy with Mario, but say "I DRAFT RB'S TO RUN THE BALL". So if a RB is a multi-dimensional threat, you'd rather pass him up for a less talented DL that you won't be happy with.Again, Bush has contributed, and that is great. I just wouldn't want him as my main back. I think he is a good multi-dimensional player, but not that awesome of a runner. I would rather have a back like Adrian Peterson.And why do people keep mentioning the total yards from scrimmage (including punt returns/kick off returns). Plug any player back there and they can get 5-10 yards per return in most cases. Unless the averages are much better than the normal player (i.e. a Dante Hall) I don't think that extra benefit makes up for not being that effective of a runner (as far as effective enough to get my $50M). Again, I DRAFT A RB TO RUN THE BALL, and that is my main concern for that position. The extra stuff (receptions, kick off yards) don't mean as much to me if I can't hand you the rock and say move the chains.
And again, where did I say I was happy with Mario's production? Are you guys reading?
WHERE DID I SAY MARIO > BUSH. Please show me.Bush has been more productive than Mario...I admit that. Do I regret us not taking Bush? No, I don't because I don't see him as a workman-like back. I see him as a multi-dimensional, scat-back type. He has yet to show anyone that he isn't that kind of back yet. You can use whatever reason you want (Decue is there, they want to pass to him, etc), but the fact is he has never carried a full load since he got to USC and I don't see him as a workmanlike back.Do you have a point? Because from here it sounds like one of two things.1) You're a Texans fan talking #### about your 0-2 record.A) Philly & Indy vs Cleveland & Green Bay....yeah, hell of a difference buddy.B) The Saints would be better than the Texans without Bush. I guess you forgot about their new reveiver, new QB, and the RB they got back from injury.Scoreboard.
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2) You're saying that Mario > Bush because Houston is 0-2 against better teams and the Saints got a new QB. I don't see what explaining to me why the Saints are better than Texans has to do with refuting what I'm saying - that IS what I'm saying, the Saints ARE better than the Texans, and it's because they made good moves, and near the top of those big moves is drafting Reggie Bush.
I mean, if anyone thinks that Bush's presence alone doesn't have a huge affect on opposing defenses and just want to focus on his YPC, you're kidding yourselves.
Okay then tell me what you mean when you say that you're not unhappy that the Texans took Mario over Bush and how that's different than "MARIO > BUSH".WHERE DID I SAY MARIO > BUSH. Please show me.Bush has been more productive than Mario...I admit that. Do I regret us not taking Bush? No, I don't because I don't see him as a workman-like back. I see him as a multi-dimensional, scat-back type. He has yet to show anyone that he isn't that kind of back yet. You can use whatever reason you want (Decue is there, they want to pass to him, etc), but the fact is he has never carried a full load since he got to USC and I don't see him as a workmanlike back.Do you have a point? Because from here it sounds like one of two things.1) You're a Texans fan talking #### about your 0-2 record.A) Philly & Indy vs Cleveland & Green Bay....yeah, hell of a difference buddy.B) The Saints would be better than the Texans without Bush. I guess you forgot about their new reveiver, new QB, and the RB they got back from injury.Scoreboard.
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2) You're saying that Mario > Bush because Houston is 0-2 against better teams and the Saints got a new QB. I don't see what explaining to me why the Saints are better than Texans has to do with refuting what I'm saying - that IS what I'm saying, the Saints ARE better than the Texans, and it's because they made good moves, and near the top of those big moves is drafting Reggie Bush.
I mean, if anyone thinks that Bush's presence alone doesn't have a huge affect on opposing defenses and just want to focus on his YPC, you're kidding yourselves.
If you took Bush off the Saints they would still be better than the Texans. If we drafted Bush we still would be 0-2 right now. Bush won't help us stop people, which is our main problem.
After every 1st round pick the Patriots have made in the Belichick era, of course. Isn't that right, "The Scientist?"
I would have preferred to trade down and take a QB because I think Carr sucks. But considering that our defense sucked nut-balls last yr I don't mind us trying to shore up the defense (ends typically have longer careers than RB's). Again, I'm not as concerned about the RB being a multi-dimensional threat (ala Pittman or Metcalf). I would rather have a pure, move the chain back. I don't think Bush is the once in a lifetime player that everyone makes him out to be. Multi-dimensional does not make you once in a lifetime. I would rather have a back like Peterson.Actually 192 yards from scrimmage, 20th in the NFL, does NOT include punt returns or kick off returns.And I like how you admit that you're not happy with Mario, but say "I DRAFT RB'S TO RUN THE BALL". So if a RB is a multi-dimensional threat, you'd rather pass him up for a less talented DL that you won't be happy with.Again, Bush has contributed, and that is great. I just wouldn't want him as my main back. I think he is a good multi-dimensional player, but not that awesome of a runner. I would rather have a back like Adrian Peterson.And why do people keep mentioning the total yards from scrimmage (including punt returns/kick off returns). Plug any player back there and they can get 5-10 yards per return in most cases. Unless the averages are much better than the normal player (i.e. a Dante Hall) I don't think that extra benefit makes up for not being that effective of a runner (as far as effective enough to get my $50M). Again, I DRAFT A RB TO RUN THE BALL, and that is my main concern for that position. The extra stuff (receptions, kick off yards) don't mean as much to me if I can't hand you the rock and say move the chains.
And again, where did I say I was happy with Mario's production? Are you guys reading?
Our defense sucks and we need to improve it. I don't think Bush is the next great back like everyone else does. DE's typically last longer than RB's.Even if we took Bush we would still be 2-0. McNabb & Manning would have still passed all over us.Okay then tell me what you mean when you say that you're not unhappy that the Texans took Mario over Bush and how that's different than "MARIO > BUSH".WHERE DID I SAY MARIO > BUSH. Please show me.Bush has been more productive than Mario...I admit that. Do I regret us not taking Bush? No, I don't because I don't see him as a workman-like back. I see him as a multi-dimensional, scat-back type. He has yet to show anyone that he isn't that kind of back yet. You can use whatever reason you want (Decue is there, they want to pass to him, etc), but the fact is he has never carried a full load since he got to USC and I don't see him as a workmanlike back.Do you have a point? Because from here it sounds like one of two things.1) You're a Texans fan talking #### about your 0-2 record.A) Philly & Indy vs Cleveland & Green Bay....yeah, hell of a difference buddy.B) The Saints would be better than the Texans without Bush. I guess you forgot about their new reveiver, new QB, and the RB they got back from injury.Scoreboard.
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2) You're saying that Mario > Bush because Houston is 0-2 against better teams and the Saints got a new QB. I don't see what explaining to me why the Saints are better than Texans has to do with refuting what I'm saying - that IS what I'm saying, the Saints ARE better than the Texans, and it's because they made good moves, and near the top of those big moves is drafting Reggie Bush.
I mean, if anyone thinks that Bush's presence alone doesn't have a huge affect on opposing defenses and just want to focus on his YPC, you're kidding yourselves.
If you took Bush off the Saints they would still be better than the Texans. If we drafted Bush we still would be 0-2 right now. Bush won't help us stop people, which is our main problem.
Metcalf, Pittman & Westbrook are multi-dimensional backs like Bush...i.e. not traditional runners. Do you disagree. Bush is more explosive than those 3 in the open field, but as far as running on the NFL level (where his speed isn't as much of an advantage), he has yet to show that he is that much better of a runner. Again, remember that I want my RB running the ball. I don't want my stud RB's main impact to be in the passing game.The 15/67 game was solid production. Is that production worth $50M and comparisons to Faulk, Barry and Sayers? Do I regret passing on 15/67....the answer is no. Would I regret passing up on a back like LJ or LT...yes.
Corrected earlier. So od you think Vick is one of the best QB's in the game, since he is multi-dimensional/affects game plans/etc?
Not worth a tenth of the money he is making and never will be
Not worth the money he is making yet but he will beYes, Metcalf, Pittman & Westbrook are multi-dimensional backs. No, they are not like Reggie. Just because he hasn't needed to carry the ball 25/30 times a games dosn't mean that he can't when needed. He had a ton of success between the tackles in college, and had success between the tackles against the Browns. The fact is that Deuce was already in NO when Bush got there, and there is no need for either of them to carry the load. Having both of them is a huge benefit, and in no means diminishes Bush's talents.
Some sundays I do. Some sundays I think he's the worst. He's an odd bird.I think there's alot of defensive cooridinators that overplan for him and inadvertently make the rest of the team's life easy. Somewhere in there is more respect than the average QB is getting.
Yeah I expect to see Gado as our #1 back after the bye week.I predict the Texans will win 5 games but might make that 6 if Gado get the starting nod.Our secondary is really bad and we still can't get any pressure on the QB from the DLine.Carr is inconsistent but is better than last year, I think he was not worth the payday that he got but is a better option than than a lot of teams have. He at least has good weapons to work with and if he pulls his head our of his backside can make decent throws and decisions. My biggest complaint about Carr is his generally poor decision making.
He was on a great team in college, with a great line. He was so successful as a runner that he was on the sidelines on the most important play of the season.Again, for whatever reason (White being there, deuce there now, etc), Bush has yet to show that he can carry the load at the NFL level...at the level of "greatness" for me to regret that we passed up on him. Getting 1,000 yards rushing and receiving would be VERY impressive/great. Do you honsetly think he will do that?
But does him being multi-dimensional make him great? How can the argument work for Reggie but not for Vick?It's so funny to me...you read these boards (majority of the folks) and you will see all kinda "Vick had a nice rushing day but he didn't have a lot of passing yards" comments. He doesn't get that kinda love because a QB's main job is to pass the ball. Yet, if Bush has a lot of receiving yardage but not a lot rushing, he is Jesus in cleats. Isn't the RB's main duty to run the ball? You would rather your RB has 195 total yards from scrimmage than say....175 yards rushing?
Now AP, I think he is going to be a stud and I would rather have him than Bush any day and twice on Sunday.
dOOd this is a fantasy football site.You do realize that in a 1 PPR league Bush is GOLD already, ESPECIALLY if he gets his yards on receptions.You can sell Mario all you want but on a FF site he will never be worth anywhere close to what Reggie is already.Do you even have any clue as to what Reggie is going for in trades. Mario is still a free agent in some IDP leagues.So yeah Mario is no big deal here and Reggie is a mid to late 2nd round pick alreadyAnd yes even in "real" football the pick was a huge mistake
Icehouse...your arguments are crazy. Yes, you're right, to this point Bush hasn't shown production wise that he's any better of a runner than Westbrook or Metcalf. Which would mean Mario hasn't shown he's any better than, I dunno, A.J. Shable?No one is saying 15/67 is worth $50 mil, how you construed that I'm not sure. The reason that was brought up was you said you wanted to see Bush run the ball, and in that case he ran it quite well. No, it wasn't 15/125, but he's only played in two NFL games...You brought up LT, his YPC in his first two NFL games were 3.1 and 3.3.Sure, Bush hasn't "shown" that he can be a workhorse back, but then again Marshall Faulk (who averaged less touches per game in StL in his prime than Bush did at USC last year) never really was either when he was at his best, and I would say he was certainly worth $50mil.The Vick 400yard example is poor because Vick is in what, year 6? I'm pretty sure if Vick had last week's performance in the first game of his career there would be teams lining up to give him $50mil, not that they weren't anyway.You think a RB has to be a RB, a WR has to be a WR, a QB has to be a QB, we get it. You think no RB can deserve $50mil unless he's a guy that's going to carry the ball 48 times a game, we get it. Obviously though the rest of the world inlcuding most NFL teams and scouts disagree with you.Enjoy the next half-decade of mediocrity at best, and pray that Mario pans out so as a Texans fan you don't have someone starting this argument all over from the beginning every week for the rest of your life
.And to clear up a point that you seem to be stuck on, I don't think anyone is saying that Bush is going to be great BECAUSE he's multi-dimensional, but rather that he is going to be great and also happens to be multidimensional.Again, when did I say Mario > Bush? Please show me where.........The original question was do Houston fans regret passing on Bush. This one doesn't, and I have noted why.
Oh don't get me started. Houston o-line has sucked since day 1 of the franchise. Why they wouldn't pick D'Brick I have no idea. Houston didn't really need a RB because they had Davis (in April). I'm sorry but Mario Williams has bust written all over him.
