Justloveit
Footballguy
Apparently he hyperextended his knee and is out between 2-4 weeks.
http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/b....xml&coll=1
http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/b....xml&coll=1
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Cedric Houston to miss around 4 weeks. (1 Viewer)
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thecardiackid
Footballguy
Looks like we'll get to see more of the Leon Washington experiment. Guessing 15-18 carries for 80 yds and maybe a score vs. JAX. Throw in a couple catches and he might be a decent bye week filler if needed. JAX has a good defense, but the skins ran pretty well vs. them last week.
Picked up Washington purely on spec. Is that many carries realistic? Not doubting. I'm just curious where you pulled the number from.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
C. Houston 12 49 0 13 K. Barlow 13 35 2 8 L. Washington 9 33 0 7 B. Smith 1 8 0 8 B. Askew 1 5 0 5 C. Pennington 1 5 0 No science just from last week's game FWIW. Gave LW 7-8 of Houston's carries and he's proven to be part of the passing game already (as a 3rd down back type player). Barlow's been decent and good around the goal line, but really hasn't done anything to take the job. And Mangini seems to like Leon (insert bud light joke here..)
perry147
Footballguy
Jax is very tough against the run.I totally agree. Barlow looks very good at the goaline - the only goaline carry he didn't get that I can remember was when Houston scored. Barlow had been in the game and came out at the very end of the drive b/c he hurt his foot. Other than that, Barlow has gotten the touches at the goaline and has done an excellent job converting.I think the coaching staff is aware that some of the running problems stem from the blocking and not from the running backs. Barlow has sometimes looked very good in shedding tacklers, but he usually has to evade the first one behind the line. I believe that the coaching staff will continue to give Barlow the majority of the carries.Interestingly, the injury to Houston is not entirely favorable to Washington. It means that Derrick Blaylock will be activated, and Blaylock is much more natural competition to Washington and the 3rd-down role than Houston was. In any case, based on how Houston performed, I suspect he'll get another opportunity when he returns.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Houston we have a problem
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Does anyone think Cedric is a good pickup in dynasty? I thought he showed good moves/ability versus the Colts. Any chance he becomes the featured runner by the end of the year?
redman
Footballguy
I traded for him two months ago during the preseason when it came out that CuMar was likely done. I'm still holding onto him because, like with Gado in Houston for example, I don't see much talent around him to compete with him. I think Houston's better than Gado though.
Rovers
Footballguy
Two things I've been saying for over a month now.... Barlow and Houston are similar RB's, but Houston is the better of the two. Blaylock and Washington are the same too, but Washington is CLEARLY better than Blaylock, in every aspect, except perhaps pass blocking, but Washington is improving. Washington is faster, better between the tackles and more elusive.
Having said all of that, here is why I think Washington may get many more touches than he has been getting: The RB in Schottenheimer's offense lines up very deep... about 7 yards behind the LOS. The O line can't sustain blocks for very long. Washington's much faster than any of the other RB's, and that speed means he gets to some of those holes before they close. His speed and pass catching ability is something the opposing D has to be prepared to defend against. I would not be surprised to see the Jets try a lot of outside running plays to negate the Jax powerful interior D line.
Schottenheimer has so far been pretty creative in trying to create mismatches and force teams to adjust so far. I think he'll attempt to use Washington's speed to run away from the Jaguars strength.... that D line. Make those guys persue, get them tired. Then later in the game, maybe try Barlow between the tackles. I think we'll see a lot of Washington in the first half against the Jags.
Having said all of that, here is why I think Washington may get many more touches than he has been getting: The RB in Schottenheimer's offense lines up very deep... about 7 yards behind the LOS. The O line can't sustain blocks for very long. Washington's much faster than any of the other RB's, and that speed means he gets to some of those holes before they close. His speed and pass catching ability is something the opposing D has to be prepared to defend against. I would not be surprised to see the Jets try a lot of outside running plays to negate the Jax powerful interior D line.
Schottenheimer has so far been pretty creative in trying to create mismatches and force teams to adjust so far. I think he'll attempt to use Washington's speed to run away from the Jaguars strength.... that D line. Make those guys persue, get them tired. Then later in the game, maybe try Barlow between the tackles. I think we'll see a lot of Washington in the first half against the Jags.
redman
Footballguy
The Redskins success against the Jags run defense last week basically was built around running wide early to get that d-line winded, and then pounding the ball late. It worked to a charm. You may not want to take the time or bandwidth to look at it, but you can download the Direct TV video of that game with the commercials omitted from here (right click and hit "save as" on your computer). You can watch the entire game in 25 mins.
If Barlow can get wide, then maybe they'll try that with him, but I'd expect that the quickness of Blaylock and Washington will mean that those will be their choices to handle that duty.
Rovers
Footballguy
LOL.... didn't know that redman.... maybe I should be an OC! Barlow is the slowest of Blaylock, Washington and even Houston. I don't see him being successful running outside, which is why I still think Washington could be very active in the first half. On the other hand, Jax may be prepared for that, and have the DE's penetrate off the snap to stop the outside run, given that the Skins did that with good results last Sunday. But.... even if that is what the Jags do, Washington is still the better choice IMO. He can turn upfield better than Barlow, and despite his size, still has some inside running power.redman said:The Redskins success against the Jags run defense last week basically was built around running wide early to get that d-line winded, and then pounding the ball late. It worked to a charm. You may not want to take the time or bandwidth to look at it, but you can download the Direct TV video of that game with the commercials omitted from here (right click and hit "save as" on your computer). You can watch the entire game in 25 mins.Rovers said:
What a difference a year makes. With Edwards last year, there is no such discussion. His O game plan never changed. With this new staff, one never knows what they will do. For instance, they gave the Colts D looks that begged to be run on, and they did, and got some good rush yardage, but it took the Colts out of what they do best.... the aerial attack. It sure is a lot more interesting to watch Jets games this year.
Barlow is certainly faster than Houston. He was clocked faster than Houston and he looks faster on the field. Barlow has been fairly succesful running to the outside - all of his runs for 10+ have been to the outside. I think that nothing changes - Barlow will get the majority of the carries, followed by Washington, and Blaylock will get a few plays to try and show that he's better than we think.LOL.... didn't know that redman.... maybe I should be an OC! Barlow is the slowest of Blaylock, Washington and even Houston. I don't see him being successful running outside, which is why I still think Washington could be very active in the first half.redman said:The Redskins success against the Jags run defense last week basically was built around running wide early to get that d-line winded, and then pounding the ball late. It worked to a charm. You may not want to take the time or bandwidth to look at it, but you can download the Direct TV video of that game with the commercials omitted from here (right click and hit "save as" on your computer). You can watch the entire game in 25 mins.Rovers said:
Warhogs
Footballguy
I think Leon Washington hopefulls are wishing out loud a lot here. I believe that the most likely scenario is that Blaylock is on the active list and picks up a lot of those touches. At this time I think you can expect Leon to get 8-12 catches/carries per game so his numbers will be sporadic.
FWIW:
From KFFL:
Jets | Martin impressed with Washington
Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:23:29 -0700
Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports New York Jets RB Curtis Martin has been impressed by rookie RB Leon Washington this year. "I just think Leon's a player with tremendous talent," Martin said. "What stands out most to me is his instincts. That's what you look for in a running back, someone who runs to daylight without thinking about it. That's the type of player he is." Martin also added that Washington is "that Leon's definitely a student. He listens well. He's good at taking things from the classroom to the field. He's one of those guys who does exactly what you tell him to do. And the good thing is that while he's doing it, he doesn't lose his creativity."
That's some pretty high praise from a darn good RB.
From KFFL:
Jets | Martin impressed with Washington
Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:23:29 -0700
Randy Lange, of the Bergen Record, reports New York Jets RB Curtis Martin has been impressed by rookie RB Leon Washington this year. "I just think Leon's a player with tremendous talent," Martin said. "What stands out most to me is his instincts. That's what you look for in a running back, someone who runs to daylight without thinking about it. That's the type of player he is." Martin also added that Washington is "that Leon's definitely a student. He listens well. He's good at taking things from the classroom to the field. He's one of those guys who does exactly what you tell him to do. And the good thing is that while he's doing it, he doesn't lose his creativity."
That's some pretty high praise from a darn good RB.
Rovers
Footballguy
I disagree. Last year, with Houston still recovering from that thyroid problem and being out of shape and overweight, he was pretty slow. But, he came into camp at a very slimmed down 218 this year, and I saw both Barlow and Houston up close, in training camp. True, I only saw Barlow pratice once, but Houston to my eye is faster than Barlow. Houston's clocked times were done when he had the thyroid condition, which was only first discovered at the combine. Understandably, his times were slow. So, IMO, Houston is indeed faster than Barlow, and he keeps his legs going after first contact, something Barlow doesn't do. Once he gets wrapped up, he goes down.... Houston bulls for another yard or two. As for why Barlow's outside runs look better is because the Jets O line can't open, or at least sustain a running lane between the tackles, something I mentioned earlier. Given the fact that the Jets can't sustain blocks, and given Washington's clear edge in speed over all of the other RB's on the roster, and going against the Jax D line.... I still expect to see Leon get more touches than Barlow does THIS week, or at a minimum, in the first half.Barlow is certainly faster than Houston. He was clocked faster than Houston and he looks faster on the field. Barlow has been fairly succesful running to the outside - all of his runs for 10+ have been to the outside. I think that nothing changes - Barlow will get the majority of the carries, followed by Washington, and Blaylock will get a few plays to try and show that he's better than we think.LOL.... didn't know that redman.... maybe I should be an OC! Barlow is the slowest of Blaylock, Washington and even Houston. I don't see him being successful running outside, which is why I still think Washington could be very active in the first half.redman said:The Redskins success against the Jags run defense last week basically was built around running wide early to get that d-line winded, and then pounding the ball late. It worked to a charm. You may not want to take the time or bandwidth to look at it, but you can download the Direct TV video of that game with the commercials omitted from here (right click and hit "save as" on your computer). You can watch the entire game in 25 mins.Rovers said:
In the unlikely event the Jets have a lead in the second half, Barlow could exceed the carries I forecast him for, which is about 12. Having said that.... this CS is so far difficult to figure, and that makes it more difficult to project player perfomances. They can come out with a completely different game plan than I might guess at. Great as a Jets fan, not so good for FF projections.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
... seems like LW is making the most of the opportunity.
Mangini went with 2 backs last week, Brad Smith and Askew were considerred 3rd and 4th RBs or emergency fillins. So yeah he's got plenty of opportunity.I don't expect Mangini to change that til Martin comes back(
)He's good.Mangini went with 2 backs last week, Brad Smith and Askew were considerred 3rd and 4th RBs or emergency fillins. So yeah he's got plenty of opportunity.I don't expect Mangini to change that til Martin comes back(
