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packersfan
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LT was on pace for 410 carries prior to last night's game. His workload had to be reduced otherwise Marty was going to run him into the ground. Plus Turner is a legitimate talent; just makes sense to use him more. But I wouldn't worry if I was an LT owner. He's still the horse and he's still going to get the dominant number of touches each week.
He had 8 catches and 13 rushes. PIT D is very stout, and contained him. Rivers had almost 40 PA, it seems to me that it was more to keep the Defense guessing as to what is going on.LT is getting a little older, and he can't continue with all of these 300+ carry years. They had a early bye this year, and as a LT owner, I'm looking forward to him being fresh towards the end of the year.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
If I was an LT owner I would be glad they are working Turner in
As long as LT keeps getting the love at the stripe thats all that matters.
As long as LT keeps getting the love at the stripe thats all that matters.
perry147
Footballguy
JayMan
Footballguy
Not to mention that he will be "fresher" this year comes FF playoff time...LT is still the #1 Fantasy back to have.
zamboni
Footballguy
As noted last week, LT still be the main guy, but Turner is expected to be the grinder as far as running out the clock in the 2nd half as necessary.
As others have said, it's good for LT in terms of saving wear and tear on him. That said, if Turner is in the game and the offense gets to the stripe, I wouldn't expect him to be pulled for LT. Just something to consider...
As others have said, it's good for LT in terms of saving wear and tear on him. That said, if Turner is in the game and the offense gets to the stripe, I wouldn't expect him to be pulled for LT. Just something to consider...
EdwardCat
Footballguy
Exactly. LT's value drops about 20-40%. By the way, there's already another thread about this topic.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
SD would be wise to give the Burner 10+ carries a game, but man, LT is the stud of all studs, and it must be hard for Marty to take him out of the game.
EdwardCat
Footballguy
Right... LT is such a stud that Turner came in and blew away the defense last night compared to what LT could do against them. On top of that, LT doesn't even average 4 yards per carry while Turner is averaging 7. And it isn't like Turner has just a small amount of carries thereby inflating his YPC. Turner is clearly the better running back. He rushed well against Pittsburgh. LT rolled over and died.
ATC1
Footballguy
The thing is they are not taking him out of the game. He is being split at wide out. Although he is not doing anything out there, I wonder if there are plays to him in that package.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Pitt gameplanned to stop LT, and Rivers in turn beat them. If Pitt wants to shut down a RB, they will. Don't get me wrong, I believe Turner is an elite RB at this level, but Tomlinson is still his superior, although the carries he has amassed over his career will soon catch up to him.
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EdwardCat
Footballguy
Then explain why they couldn't stop Turner. Turner was clearly a detriment to their winning. There's no point in stopping LT and not Turner.
midwest_kc
Footballguy
however, what confused me is that towards the end of the game last night, they had both of them, alot of times with LT lined up out wide. If your going to rest him, why not rest him?
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yeah man...suuure....you don't think that Cowher had someone following LT everywhere he went? Turner is a talented back and every LT owner should have handcuffed him early..but to say the Turner is "clearly" the better running back is just plain stupid....
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It's gonna hurt his numbers just a little regardless. But he'll still dominate. Have you seen his remaining schedule?@SF
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BoulderBob
Footballguy
Turner racked up his yards later in the game when Pitt had abandoned their game-plan, an impressive performence, no doubt, but his numbers would look similar to LT's had Turner been the #1 back.
perry147
Footballguy
When the Pittsburg defense sees LT in the backfield they are focused on him; however when they see Tuner they much less stacked - hence the easier yards for Turner.
ATC1
Footballguy
Because when Turner was getting the ball PIT was getting burned by the pass opening the lanes. It could have happened to LT if he were getting the carries.
Evilhomer3k
Footballguy
A can't believe you actually believe that. Putting LT and Turner on the field at the same time is going to have a pretty drastic effect on what the Pittsburgh D does. When LT is on the field the D is going to key on him. When the D follows LT that is going to open things up for Turner. When LT gets the ball, half of the guys on the defense are already running towards him. When Turner gets the ball that isn't the case.
EdwardCat
Footballguy
LT got two carries on that final drive and did nothing with them. Turner, on the other hand, broke out.
ATC1
Footballguy
1-10-SD42 (5:58) P.Rivers sacked at SD 41 for -1 yards (B.Keisel). 2-11-SD41 (5:20) M.Turner up the middle to SD 43 for 2 yards (C.Hoke, J.Porter).
3-9-SD43 (4:36) (Shotgun) P.Rivers scrambles up the middle to PIT 42 for 15 yards (J.Farrior).
1-10-PIT42 (3:46) M.Turner up the middle to PIT 44 for -2 yards (J.Farrior).
2-12-PIT44 (3:41) P.Rivers pass short right to A.Gates to PIT 33 for 11 yards (I.Taylor).
3-1-PIT33 (3:31) M.Turner left tackle to PIT 30 for 3 yards (J.Porter).
1-10-PIT30 (2:47) M.Turner right tackle to PIT 7 for 23 yards (J.Porter).
1-7-PIT7 (2:37) M.Turner up the middle to PIT 5 for 2 yards (B.Keisel).
2-5-PIT5 (2:00) M.Turner up the middle to PIT 4 for 1 yard (J.Farrior).
3-4-PIT4 (1:52) L.Tomlinson left tackle to PIT 4 for no gain (J.Porter).
4-4-PIT4 (1:07) N.Kaeding 22 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-D.Binn, Holder-M.Scifres.
Yeah he tore up one play, and when he got it first and second and goal he did just as much as LT.
Take away the 23 yard game and we are not having this argument.
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EdwardCat
Footballguy
I agree. However, the woes surrounding LT don't extend to just the game against PIT. They extend to game 1 of the season. He's clearly taking over 25% of the carries. Those 25% carries are what used to make LT a #1 RB. Without them, his value drops to RB5 or RB6.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
This has less to do about LT, and more to do about Turner. The dude is a stud, and they want that weapon on the field. He just bowls guys over unlike many backs in this leage. He delivers the hit, not vice versa. I'm tellin' you, if he were on another team, in the right offense, I would not hesitate to take him in the first round next year. My eyes aren't fibbin' to me..
Lauryn
Footballguy
ok now it's your turn
ATC1
Footballguy
The first two games were blow outs. The 3rd game Turner was getting the ball to try out to run out the clock and he was getting good runs with his fresh legs against a worn out defense. The carries that week were 27 to 7. Last night we see Turner in the game late again with fresh legs and broke one. The defense was still needing to account for LT split out. I once again wonder if SD will expand on that package with LT.
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Norseman
Footballguy
Could you list the 4 or 5 running backs you have ranked better than LT, so that I can trade LT for one of them.
zamboni
Footballguy
Well said. LT is still an uber-stud, but Turner is mighty good himself. The comparisons will continue as long as the Chargers have an embarrassment of riches at RB, with the best RB and best backup RB in the business.
EdwardCat
Footballguy
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Larry Johnson - the only guy I'd even think of trading LT for today.Westbrook
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Rudi Johnson
Not sure I'd even do that. Let's not panic, things change A LOT in the NFL and LT has been oneof the few steady constants over the years. I think this thread will be laughable as the rest of his schedule unfolds. Even LJ will have a production dip against PIT & BAL and he's not even sharing the load.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Tomlinson's typical game against an elite defense is absolutely horrible. Just horrible.
And there's no excuse for it.
And there's no excuse for it.
Steve Dallas
Footballguy
Keep telling yourself that. I'll take LJ with no RBBC all day long instead of LT2 with Turner stealing carries.perry147 said:Macdaddy_2004 said:
The Jacket
Footballguy
You must play in a league with funky scoring. Larry Johnson blows him away in all of my leagues.perry147 said:
EdwardCat
Footballguy
Exactly. A true stud RB doesn't flop against tough matchups. A stud RB will produce something and then eat up bad defenses. Tomlinson does alright against bad defenses and flops against a tough defense. He's overhyped.
Banger
Footballguy
SD knows they have a SB contending team and smartly they want to keep LT fresh. With a back as talented as Turner behind LT it would be stupid to grind down LT so early in the season if it's not necessary. LT realizes this as well and he, being a team player, is willing to give up carries for the long term success of the team.
EdwardCat
Footballguy
In my league, he'll fall to 4th best RB after this week. He'll probably sit there or a bit lower for the rest of the year.
Steve Dallas
Footballguy
Nobody's arguing that -- it's a good strategy to win in the NFL. What I'm saying, is that this is an absolute killer in fantasy football if you drafted LT this year with one of the top 3 picks, or kept him in a keeper league with your first round pick.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Disagree completely , i think he his on his way down . Turner looks much better than him running the ball .I say by the end of the season you will actually see the decline and might even see splitting 50 - 50.perry147 said:Macdaddy_2004 said:
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Yea LJ just ran for 2 yards a pop versus the Cards and got his head taken off in the process. Now seems like a great time to trade the best RB on the planet for him.Keep telling yourself that. I'll take LJ with no RBBC all day long instead of LT2 with Turner stealing carries.perry147 said:Macdaddy_2004 said:
Banger
Footballguy
I think he'll be fine. It just happens that they played two of the top 2 run defenses back to back in the Ravens and the Steelers with a bye prior to that. Last week he still got 26 carries. His #'s will take a little hit but not nearly as much as some are predicting. For the 1st time in LT's career the Chargers have a dominating defense and a very solid offense (have had a good offense the last few years). So they will be playing with good field position/a lead more than they had in the past. I think the entire pie for SD will be increased but LT's slice will stay about the same. Consider that so far this year he's averaged 25.6 touches/game and you know what his historical average is???? 25.9. Everyone just needs to calm down and if possible trade for LT using the flawed "diminished" value theory.
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fsufan
Footballguy
Disagree completely , i think he his on his way down . Turner looks much better than him running the ball .I say by the end of the season you will actually see the decline and might even see splitting 50 - 50.perry147 said:Macdaddy_2004 said:
Traders2001
Footballguy
Agreed .Parker ran for 58 yds 1 TD and a average of 4,0 ypc against one of the best defense in football.If they had a QB in Pitt , Parker would have run for 100 yds and a few TD's yesterday but unfortunately they have a game manager that cant manage anymore at QQQQQQQQQQQB.
EdwardCat
Footballguy
Seeing as my second RB is Dunn, I will most likely be starting Tomlinson and Turner from here on out. Dunn is the second RB on Atlanta behind Vick.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Receiving yards count, guy.And Johnson had TWICE as many receiving yards as "the great one" had rushing yards.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Hey , yesterday was a crucial game ( big game ) Tomlinson 13 carries - Turner 11 carries .Turner looked much much better then Tomlinson running the ball.Disagree completely , i think he his on his way down . Turner looks much better than him running the ball .I say by the end of the season you will actually see the decline and might even see splitting 50 - 50.perry147 said:Macdaddy_2004 said:
If you were smart you would think before posting stupid replies.
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perry147
Footballguy
Disagree completely , i think he his on his way down . Turner looks much better than him running the ball .I say by the end of the season you will actually see the decline and might even see splitting 50 - 50.perry147 said:Macdaddy_2004 said:
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