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With only 8 TD passes this season, Peyton is on pace for his lowest TD passing output of his career...even worse than his rookie year.

His yardage totals put him on pace for his third worst passing yardage totals behind his rookie year and last season when the team clinched HFA and he did not play down the stretch.

Any homers know why the Colts have taken the game out of his hands and are letting Rhodes/Addai and their defense win games for them now?

One hypothesis I have is that Peyton's confidence may be pretty low after last season's horrible ending, and his post game comments hurt his relationship with the team, so now Dungy is trying to cover it up by changing the game plan to take the focus off of Manning and make it a more team oriented approach.

I am seriously not fishing here, I know the team is doing well, but was just curious to see what people think the root cause is for Manning's poor statistics (for him) thus far. Thoughts?

 
Dungification takes a little time. This really shouldn't surpise anyone. True sharks unloaded Manning at least a year ago.

 
all i know is, i'm sick and tired of seeing manning's ugly mug on every other commercial during sundays. If advertisers think i'm going to buy something just because that choke artist is endorsing it, they're on crack. In fact, i might avoid their products because manning endorses them. I hope manning and the colts choke again just to continue the tradition...

 
Manning 06 points per game = 21.4

Manning 05 points per game = 18.4

Manning 06 rank = 4

Manning 05 rank = 3

The guy's consistent, and actually having a bit better of a year this year than last (thanks to a couple of rushing TDs). I don't see a problem.

 
Phokus said:
all i know is, i'm sick and tired of seeing manning's ugly mug on every other commercial during sundays. If advertisers think i'm going to buy something just because that choke artist is endorsing it, they're on crack. In fact, i might avoid their products because manning endorses them. I hope manning and the colts choke again just to continue the tradition...
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The NFL and other partners put more weight into things like jersey sales than your feelings.Back to the point, I am guessing Manning second half is better and more like the first 3 weeks. Their schedule gets pretty rough. But Kupcho is right that Dungy has toned it down...not for any reason other than that's his style, IMO.
 
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Punchie said:
Manning 06 points per game = 21.4Manning 05 points per game = 18.4Manning 06 rank = 4Manning 05 rank = 3The guy's consistent, and actually having a bit better of a year this year than last (thanks to a couple of rushing TDs). I don't see a problem.
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Did you account for Manning not playing much the past few weeks of last season? I'll bet those numbers are misleading. Also, 2005 one of Manning's low points for total numbers. He is on a worse pace this year. I was curious as to why that may be...
 
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

My .02.

 
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

My .02.
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I was comparing his performance to date with his historical performances in the past.Manning is tied for 6th in the NFL for TD passes and is 11th in yardage. He has two rushing TD's to help his FF #'s, but his passing totals are on pace to be very pedestrian compared to his personal previous efforts in recent years and I was looking for any insight as to why that is happening,

 
IIRC, hasn't Reggie Wayne been tackled inside the 2-yd line at least 4 or 5 times so far this year after catching a pass from Manning? Those TD's would make a pretty significant impact on Manning (and Wayne) owner's opinions of his performance through week 6 ...

I know, it's a 'what if' kind of argument, but maybe the ball just hasn't bounced quite the same way for him after this first handful of games in 2006... I also don't know how many of those "lost" opportunities turned into Manning TD's anyway, but I'm just going off memory here.

 
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IIRC, hasn't Reggie Wayne been tackled inside the 2-yd line at least 4 or 5 times so far this year after catching a pass from Manning? Those TD's would make a pretty significant impact on Manning (and Wayne) owner's opinions of his performance through week 6 ...
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:thumbup:Somebody get it, even if this thread is a huge :fishing: trip.
 
H.K. said:
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

My .02.
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I was comparing his performance to date with his historical performances in the past.Manning is tied for 6th in the NFL for TD passes and is 11th in yardage. He has two rushing TD's to help his FF #'s, but his passing totals are on pace to be very pedestrian compared to his personal previous efforts in recent years and I was looking for any insight as to why that is happening,
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Peyton's had his bye and a lot of the folks ahead of him in TD passes and yards haven't. :doh:

Furthermore, 5 games do not a season make. The Colts haven't gotten into a true shootout yet this season. Their D is not as good as last years though... its only a matter of time until they do end up in one or two, which will push up his average.

 
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Dungification takes a little time. This really shouldn't surpise anyone. True sharks unloaded Manning at least a year ago.
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Are you one of these "true sharks"?The man will finish in the top 3 in fantasy points, like he has for the past 6 years.Like others have said he is 2nd in ppg this year.I fail to see how the mighty have fallen.I am glad I have him on my team, there is not another QB out there I would prefer. And yes, that includes one Donovan McNabb.
 
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Furthermore, 5 games do not a season make. The Colts haven't gotten into a true shootout yet this year. Their D is not as good as last years though... its only a matter of time until they do end up in one or two, which will push up his average.
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OK, this may make sense. They are giving up a league worst 5.2 yards per carry so far! :eek: I guess other teams are taking time consuming drives while Peyton is on the sidelines and can't get on the field. Unless this changes, it looks like he'll continue to underpeform based on his previous totals. Sounds like a good guy to trade, right?
 
Punchie said:
Manning 06 points per game = 21.4Manning 05 points per game = 18.4Manning 06 rank = 4Manning 05 rank = 3The guy's consistent, and actually having a bit better of a year this year than last (thanks to a couple of rushing TDs). I don't see a problem.
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The problem is that many here advocate taking him in the 1st round.
 
I am not worried about Manning at all at this point in time. Their defense is back to the same level it was 3 and 4 yrs ago. FINE.... Let Peyton toss it up the 2nd half of the season vs. the tougher stretch of his schedule. Yes I have McNabb who is the overwhelming #1 and I just traded for Manning last wk. who happens to be #3. Underperforming in terms of 3 and 4 TD games and 300+ yds. passing games... YES but like previously mentioned, he's consistent. I'll take 24 pts a wk anyday!

What truely has me worried is the age of Harrison and what lies ahead w/ the WR corps. Can Reggie Wayne handle the reigns of being a #1 Wr and just how many more yrs do expect to see Harrison put up quality numbers? That's my concern....

 
Phokus said:
all i know is, i'm sick and tired of seeing manning's ugly mug on every other commercial during sundays. If advertisers think i'm going to buy something just because that choke artist is endorsing it, they're on crack. In fact, i might avoid their products because manning endorses them. I hope manning and the colts choke again just to continue the tradition...
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Wow. You just exude love for the guy. He must have cost you some $$$ in the playoffs last year.
 
Phokus said:
all i know is, i'm sick and tired of seeing manning's ugly mug on every other commercial during sundays. If advertisers think i'm going to buy something just because that choke artist is endorsing it, they're on crack. In fact, i might avoid their products because manning endorses them. I hope manning and the colts choke again just to continue the tradition...
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LOL. What can you say-- the man is a great QB, and the commercials are pretty funny. Especially the one where he has the guy sign his melon.
 
Manning is in alot of commercials becuase he is a funny guy. If you don't see that, then you probably have something else against him. I know alot of Patriot fans don't like him for some odd reason (seems you should like the guy if you have his number) but some football fans are strange birds.

I think Manning will finish top 4 in QBs, is that bad? So what if he scores more TDs by running than previous years? Does it matter to a FF player?

 
dawgtrails said:
kupcho1 said:
Dungification takes a little time. This really shouldn't surpise anyone. True sharks unloaded Manning at least a year ago.
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Are you one of these "true sharks"?The man will finish in the top 3 in fantasy points, like he has for the past 6 years.Like others have said he is 2nd in ppg this year.I fail to see how the mighty have fallen.I am glad I have him on my team, there is not another QB out there I would prefer. And yes, that includes one Donovan McNabb.
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He was drafted in the first round in greater than 98% of all fantasy leagues this year. You draft a QB in the first round he better blow the doors off or you are screwed.
 
What's weird is that I like Peyton but despise Archie & Eli. I'm a Charger fan so that may explain my desire to see Eli get knocked into the seats onto Archie hurting both.

 
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

My .02.
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You beat me to it.
H.K. said:
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

My .02.
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I was comparing his performance to date with his historical performances in the past.Manning is tied for 6th in the NFL for TD passes and is 11th in yardage. He has two rushing TD's to help his FF #'s, but his passing totals are on pace to be very pedestrian compared to his personal previous efforts in recent years and I was looking for any insight as to why that is happening,
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Who cares? QB performances all over the league are down just as much, if not more, than Manning's. Also, why focus on TD passes? Add in his two TD rushes, since I'm pretty sure they still count.
culdeus said:
He was drafted in the first round in greater than 98% of all fantasy leagues this year. You draft a QB in the first round he better blow the doors off or you are screwed.
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SSOG said:
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

My .02.
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You beat me to it.
H.K. said:
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

My .02.
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I was comparing his performance to date with his historical performances in the past.Manning is tied for 6th in the NFL for TD passes and is 11th in yardage. He has two rushing TD's to help his FF #'s, but his passing totals are on pace to be very pedestrian compared to his personal previous efforts in recent years and I was looking for any insight as to why that is happening,
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Who cares? QB performances all over the league are down just as much, if not more, than Manning's. Also, why focus on TD passes? Add in his two TD rushes, since I'm pretty sure they still count.
culdeus said:
He was drafted in the first round in greater than 98% of all fantasy leagues this year. You draft a QB in the first round he better blow the doors off or you are screwed.
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Based on VBD and ADP, Manning has underperformed. He is barely #2 in PPG, with guys like Eli, Bulger & Vick within a point or two of him. He has not been a good investment based on where he was taken compared to what he has produced. Also, compared to his personal past performance, he is underperforming.The purpose of the thread is to find out why his numbers are on pace for career lows for him. Please add value or post elsewhere.

 
Phokus said:
all i know is, i'm sick and tired of seeing manning's ugly mug on every other commercial during sundays. If advertisers think i'm going to buy something just because that choke artist is endorsing it, they're on crack. In fact, i might avoid their products because manning endorses them. I hope manning and the colts choke again just to continue the tradition...
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Pure class. Spoken like a true gentleman. Thanks for adding to the site!
 
H.K. said:
SSOG said:
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

My .02.
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You beat me to it.
H.K. said:
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

My .02.
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I was comparing his performance to date with his historical performances in the past.Manning is tied for 6th in the NFL for TD passes and is 11th in yardage. He has two rushing TD's to help his FF #'s, but his passing totals are on pace to be very pedestrian compared to his personal previous efforts in recent years and I was looking for any insight as to why that is happening,
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Who cares? QB performances all over the league are down just as much, if not more, than Manning's. Also, why focus on TD passes? Add in his two TD rushes, since I'm pretty sure they still count.
culdeus said:
He was drafted in the first round in greater than 98% of all fantasy leagues this year. You draft a QB in the first round he better blow the doors off or you are screwed.
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Based on VBD and ADP, Manning has underperformed. He is barely #2 in PPG, with guys like Eli, Bulger & Vick within a point or two of him. He has not been a good investment based on where he was taken compared to what he has produced. Also, compared to his personal past performance, he is underperforming.The purpose of the thread is to find out why his numbers are on pace for career lows for him. Please add value or post elsewhere.
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Look, H.K., Your thesis is totally flawed. To claim that Manning, who is the #2 fantasy QB in the entire NFL is underperforming is farsical on the face of the argument. As others have pointed out, he could easily have posted 4-5 more passing scores if the breaks had gone his way. When someone is as hot as Donovan McNabb (122/208 for a 58.7 completion percentage, 1849 yards, a 8.9 yards-per-reception average, 13 TDs and 2 interceptions, with a 104.8 rating), nobody is going to hold a candle to that. But the notion that Manning is underperforming in fantasy terms (#2 in points per game) or NFL terms Indianapolis 5-0 is just silly. Why don't U add some value to this thread?

MW Out.

 
Manning's numbers are down due to not having to rely on him the first 5 games. Give him a break. I fully expect his number to dramatically increase over the next 6 games due to the schedule stiffening.

Manning will end the season #1 for TDs and yards in my estimation.

The season is 16 games long. Watch as Manning has to play week 16 this season unlike last year. You should be happier for this reason alone. Unless, you are strictly speaking of redraft leagues.

 
Manning's ADP was QB10. The people around him were:

8 - Rudi Johnson

9 - LaMont Jordan

11 - Carnell Williams

12 - Clinton Portis

13 - Steve Smith

14 - Chad Johnson

Considering the alternatives you had at 10 -- Jordan or Johnson if he slipped, or one of those guys below -- I don't see why Manning's been such a bad pick. Way better than Cadillac and Jordan and Johnson, and at least you didn't have to get 0s with him like you did with Smith and Portis. If Rudi fell to you and you grabbed Manning, that was a mistake.

 
H.K. said:
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

My .02.
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I was comparing his performance to date with his historical performances in the past.Manning is tied for 6th in the NFL for TD passes and is 11th in yardage. He has two rushing TD's to help his FF #'s, but his passing totals are on pace to be very pedestrian compared to his personal previous efforts in recent years and I was looking for any insight as to why that is happening,
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not to sound like a complete richard here but your an idiot if you think he can possibly put up 40 TDs per year every year
 
Ok, I'm convinced I'm waiving Manning, LJ because of the LJ sucks thread, LT because of the LT sucks thread, Alexander because of the he sucks and now he's hurt thread and Gates because of the Gates sucks thread.

The funny thing is though, most years for every guy that falls off the list a new stud usually shows up. I must be confused here. Could one of you fantasy geniuses please tell me who is replacing all these guys? :banned:

 
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Dude last season he had 7 through 5 games. This season he has 10 through 5 games with his rushing 2.

He is ahead of his 05 pace..What is your problem? :rolleyes:

 
Mark Wimer said:
Look, H.K., Your thesis is totally flawed. To claim that Manning, who is the #2 fantasy QB in the entire NFL is underperforming is farsical on the face of the argument. As others have pointed out, he could easily have posted 4-5 more passing scores if the breaks had gone his way. When someone is as hot as Donovan McNabb (122/208 for a 58.7 completion percentage, 1849 yards, a 8.9 yards-per-reception average, 13 TDs and 2 interceptions, with a 104.8 rating), nobody is going to hold a candle to that. But the notion that Manning is underperforming in fantasy terms (#2 in points per game) or NFL terms Indianapolis 5-0 is just silly.

Why don't U add some value to this thread?

MW Out.
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You completely missed the point, I was comparing Manning to himself. Based on the standards he has set for himself in his career, he is on pace to have fewer TD passes than he did as a rookie.Maybe he is off to a slow start and will get better....maybe the Colt run defense is so bad that the offense just isn't on the field. It's a thread for discussion as to why he is having a career low pace. Sorry if that fact hits a nerve with you, not sure why its so hard for some to understand.

 
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H.K. said:
Mark Wimer said:
Look, H.K., Your thesis is totally flawed. To claim that Manning, who is the #2 fantasy QB in the entire NFL is underperforming is farsical on the face of the argument. As others have pointed out, he could easily have posted 4-5 more passing scores if the breaks had gone his way. When someone is as hot as Donovan McNabb (122/208 for a 58.7 completion percentage, 1849 yards, a 8.9 yards-per-reception average, 13 TDs and 2 interceptions, with a 104.8 rating), nobody is going to hold a candle to that. But the notion that Manning is underperforming in fantasy terms (#2 in points per game) or NFL terms Indianapolis 5-0 is just silly.

Why don't U add some value to this thread?

MW Out.
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You completely missed the point, I was comparing Manning to himself. Based on the standards he has set for himself in his career, he is on pace to have fewer TD passes than he did as a rookie.Maybe he is off to a slow start and will get better....maybe the Colt run defense is so bad that the offense just isn't on the field. It's a thread for discussion as to why he is having a career low pace. Sorry if that fact hits a nerve with you, not sure why its so hard for some to understand.
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I think your missing the point. Compare him to at least 5 other QB's out there and you'll see how useless this post is.
 
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I think your missing the point. Compare him to at least 5 other QB's out there and you'll see how useless this post is.
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:confused: I did already. In one league (that I do not have him in) he is QB2 in PPG. It's 1 point for each 25 yards passing & 4 for TD Pass / 6 Rush TD 1/10 yds rush/rec.However, Manning's ppg is only a point or so better than Bulger, Vick, and Eli....I found this odd when I looked at his stats, then I checked on his career numbers and I came up with this post. For some reason, Manning's lack of TD passes this season are pretty under the radar.
 
H.K. said:
chris1969 said:
I think your missing the point. Compare him to at least 5 other QB's out there and you'll see how useless this post is.
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:confused: I did already. In one league (that I do not have him in) he is QB2 in PPG. It's 1 point for each 25 yards passing & 4 for TD Pass / 6 Rush TD 1/10 yds rush/rec.However, Manning's ppg is only a point or so better than Bulger, Vick, and Eli....I found this odd when I looked at his stats, then I checked on his career numbers and I came up with this post. For some reason, Manning's lack of TD passes this season are pretty under the radar.
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So are you saying that you'd trade him for Bulger, Vick or Eli?
 
chris1969 said:
H.K. said:
chris1969 said:
I think your missing the point. Compare him to at least 5 other QB's out there and you'll see how useless this post is.
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:confused: I did already. In one league (that I do not have him in) he is QB2 in PPG. It's 1 point for each 25 yards passing & 4 for TD Pass / 6 Rush TD 1/10 yds rush/rec.However, Manning's ppg is only a point or so better than Bulger, Vick, and Eli....I found this odd when I looked at his stats, then I checked on his career numbers and I came up with this post. For some reason, Manning's lack of TD passes this season are pretty under the radar.
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So are you saying that you'd trade him for Bulger, Vick or Eli?
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*sigh* :wall: No. I was curious if anyone knew why he was off to a slow start compared to his normal production.
 
H.K. said:
chris1969 said:
H.K. said:
chris1969 said:
I think your missing the point. Compare him to at least 5 other QB's out there and you'll see how useless this post is.
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:confused: I did already. In one league (that I do not have him in) he is QB2 in PPG. It's 1 point for each 25 yards passing & 4 for TD Pass / 6 Rush TD 1/10 yds rush/rec.

However, Manning's ppg is only a point or so better than Bulger, Vick, and Eli....I found this odd when I looked at his stats, then I checked on his career numbers and I came up with this post. For some reason, Manning's lack of TD passes this season are pretty under the radar.
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So are you saying that you'd trade him for Bulger, Vick or Eli?
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*sigh* :wall:

No. I was curious if anyone knew why he was off to a slow start compared to his normal production.
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Well that's kinda my point, I think he's worth where I drafted him even if Mcnabb beats him out. (I own Mcnabb in 2 other leagues btw)As far as his slow start this year goes, it was worse last year and as far as his recievers losing a step, he already has 19 pass plays over 20 yards.

If I just project his numbers on this slow start over a season I get....

547 att, 339 comps, 4090 yards, 26 tds, 6 Ints and a passer rating of 95.6

This year I don't have to worry about Edge taking over the game.

I know that the last couple of games of the year he sits out so I see what your saying about not projecting his stats for the full year but.......

As far as his slow start this year goes, it was worse last year!

 
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Manning's numbers are down due to not having to rely on him the first 5 games. Give him a break. I fully expect his number to dramatically increase over the next 6 games due to the schedule stiffening.
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Not having to rely on him? The colts have played 4 close games out of 5 games. They've won those 4 games by a total of 15 points. So Manning was holding back because the colts didn't need him? And he'll get better now that the opponents are tougher? I don't agree that's Peyton has been disappointing, but that's some crazy homer logic there.
 
How can you compare him to other QB's on the basis of totals when not every team has even played their bye yet? As others have pointed out Peyton has been extremely close to adding at least 4 more passing TD's to his total. He is still the #2 fantasy QB at this point. Wait till the whole season is over before you wanna compare how he's done to his previous seasons. My guess is he'll still end up with his 4000 yards + 28TD's.

 
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pizzatyme said:
Manning's numbers are down due to not having to rely on him the first 5 games. Give him a break. I fully expect his number to dramatically increase over the next 6 games due to the schedule stiffening.
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Not having to rely on him? The colts have played 4 close games out of 5 games. They've won those 4 games by a total of 15 points. So Manning was holding back because the colts didn't need him? And he'll get better now that the opponents are tougher? I don't agree that's Peyton has been disappointing, but that's some crazy homer logic there.
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It doesn't take crazy homer logic to see that the Colts have been trying to lean on the rushing attack in their first 5 games. They are trying to take pressure off of their defense by shortening the games.Yes, they have relied on PM to WIN the games for them, but not to dominate the games. Am I blind in thinking that?The Colts rushing offense to date has more rushing yards on less carries than the last 2 years if I'm not mistaken. Someone can correct me on that I'm sure. The Colts have less offensive numbers due to the opposition has been able to also run the ball against the Colts defense, thus reducing the Colts offensive opportunities.Maybe my crazy homerism is telling me all of this. But, I will stick to my guns in thinking that with the tougher schedule, the Colts will find themselves behind more often, thus having to throw the ball more often, thus potentially offering Manning and the passing game more opportunities to score, and therefore leaning on Manning a higher percentage of the time.But, hey, I'm a crazy homer, so what do I know more than you, the all-knowing football generalist?
 
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Wadsworth said:
pizzatyme said:
Manning's numbers are down due to not having to rely on him the first 5 games. Give him a break. I fully expect his number to dramatically increase over the next 6 games due to the schedule stiffening.
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Not having to rely on him? The colts have played 4 close games out of 5 games. They've won those 4 games by a total of 15 points. So Manning was holding back because the colts didn't need him? And he'll get better now that the opponents are tougher? I don't agree that's Peyton has been disappointing, but that's some crazy homer logic there.
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It doesn't take crazy homer logic to see that the Colts have been trying to lean on the rushing attack in their first 5 games. They are trying to take pressure off of their defense by shortening the games.Yes, they have relied on PM to WIN the games for them, but not to dominate the games. Am I blind in thinking that?The Colts rushing offense to date has more rushing yards on less carries than the last 2 years if I'm not mistaken. Someone can correct me on that I'm sure. The Colts have less offensive numbers due to the opposition has been able to also run the ball against the Colts defense, thus reducing the Colts offensive opportunities.Maybe my crazy homerism is telling me all of this. But, I will stick to my guns in thinking that with the tougher schedule, the Colts will find themselves behind more often, thus having to throw the ball more often, thus potentially offering Manning and the passing game more opportunities to score, and therefore leaning on Manning a higher percentage of the time.But, hey, I'm a crazy homer, so what do I know more than you, the all-knowing football generalist?
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Manning has 171 attempts in 5 games. That's on pace for right at 550 attempts for the season which is a good deal more than he's had in the last two seasons and right around average for his career. His yards per attempt and comp. % are close to his career averge. His 10 TDs so far are right in line with career averge. Other than his low INT total this season, he's right on pace for a normal season. So how have they not relied on him?Which game was it that he took it easy? The giants game when they had a 2 point lead in the 4th? The houston game where he was still passing late in the 4th with the game over? The Jags game that was tied at halftime? The jets game or titans game, when they were losing with less than 5 minutes to go in both? So yes, I think it's fair to ask exactly when have the colts not relied on him. In 4 of the 5 games they other team had a chance to take the lead or tie the game late in the fourth and the fifth game he played and passed with a big lead. So maybe drop the sarcasm and explain when manning was taking it easy in the first 5 games.
 
H.K. said:
SSOG said:
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

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You beat me to it.
H.K. said:
Mark Wimer said:
Manning is the 2nd ranked fantasy QB in fantasy points per game this season! I fail to see how he is underperforming - only McNabb's insanely elite start has been better. PPG to date

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I was comparing his performance to date with his historical performances in the past.Manning is tied for 6th in the NFL for TD passes and is 11th in yardage. He has two rushing TD's to help his FF #'s, but his passing totals are on pace to be very pedestrian compared to his personal previous efforts in recent years and I was looking for any insight as to why that is happening,
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Who cares? QB performances all over the league are down just as much, if not more, than Manning's. Also, why focus on TD passes? Add in his two TD rushes, since I'm pretty sure they still count.
culdeus said:
He was drafted in the first round in greater than 98% of all fantasy leagues this year. You draft a QB in the first round he better blow the doors off or you are screwed.
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Based on VBD and ADP, Manning has underperformed. He is barely #2 in PPG, with guys like Eli, Bulger & Vick within a point or two of him. He has not been a good investment based on where he was taken compared to what he has produced. Also, compared to his personal past performance, he is underperforming.The purpose of the thread is to find out why his numbers are on pace for career lows for him. Please add value or post elsewhere.
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Add value or post elsewhere? I questioned the fact that he was drafted in the first round in greater than 98% of all fantasy leagues, and I pointed out that QBs in general were having a bit of an off year. Granted, I'm not likely to win any awards for that post, but they can't all be Pulitzers.You want value, though? Sure thing, I can give you value. All of the following numbers come from the charts in my PPR league, with players sorted by their PPG totals.

You say that Manning is "barely #2 in PPG".

The #2 QB (Manning) is averaging .6 more PPG than the #3 QB.

The #2 RB is averaging .6 more PPG than the #3 RB.

The #2 WR is averaging .3 more PPG than the #3 WR.

The #2 TE is averaging .2 more PPG than the #3 TE.

Whoops, it looks like Peyton Manning is only "barely #2" as much as every other #2 is "barely #2". The fact remains that you just don't see huge point splits among the elite at certain positions, and QB historically has the smallest point differential from top to bottom. Last year the difference between the #1 and #2 QBs was .35 PPG. The difference between #2 and #3 was .15 PPG. In other words, the difference between the #2 and #3 this year is actually 20% greater than the difference between the #1 and the #3 last year. In other words, your claim that Manning is "barely" #2 is downright ludicrous.

More fun and games. You claim that Manning is underperforming compared to his previous performances. Manning's on pace for 32 total TDs, which would be the third-highest total of his career, and 4 more than he had last season. He's on pace for 4124 total yards, which is 332 more than he posted last year. Is this enough added value yet, or do you want to troll me some more?

I agree with your claim that Manning was overrated at #10 overall in ADP, but that wasn't what this thread was about. You were talking about how the "mighty had fallen", and how Peyton Manning was having a horrible statistical season by his standards. That's simply not the case, as he's on pace for 4100+ yards and 30+ TDs, a mark he's only twice achieved in his storied career.

 
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