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I logged in this morning to check on my team in an ESPN league and to my surprise Lee Evans was credited with a fumble in sundays game against the Patriots. This "fumble" is worth -2 points and is the difference between winning or losing this week. Does anyone who watched that game, recall Evans fumbling? I cannot find this in any box score. Is there a website that list updated stats regarding the NFL?

Thanks for any info.

Alex

 
according to NFL.com, the Bills had 2 fumbles lost, and both were attributed to Losman:

3-6-NE17 (2:59) (Shotgun) J.Losman FUMBLES (Aborted) at NE 17, and recovers at NE 17. J.Losman to NE 22 for -5 yards (R.Colvin).

1-10-NE41 (10:13) J.Losman sacked at NE 47 for -6 yards (M.Vrabel). FUMBLES (M.Vrabel), RECOVERED by NE-V.Wilfork at NE 48. V.Wilfork to NE 48 for no gain (A.Merz)

1-10-BUF38 (3:32) J.Losman up the middle to BUF 45 for 7 yards. FUMBLES, RECOVERED by NE-T.Bruschi at NE 45.

 
I was listening to the game (and have Evans as well) and it was called a catch/fumble. It was the last play of the 1st half. He caught a pass and then fumbled.

I don't know if they changed the scoring to rule it as an incompletion and no fumble but listening to the play-by-play on the radio Gil and Geano called it as a catch and fumble.

On my rtsports league it wasn't deducted from my score so I guess they didn't credit him with a fumble.

How many receptions is ESPN giving Evans? RT is saying 1 reception for 11 yards. If ESPN has 2 receptions than that's probably the issue.

 
bills fan here and without a doubt he fumbled the last play of the 1st half. did the ruling change? not sure how as it was clearly a fumble.

 
bills fan here and without a doubt he fumbled the last play of the 1st half. did the ruling change? not sure how as it was clearly a fumble.
How would this score against Evans though? They can't retroactively give the other team the ball so it is like a fumble out of bounds, meaning no points off.
 
I logged in this morning to check on my team in an ESPN league and to my surprise Lee Evans was credited with a fumble in sundays game against the Patriots. This "fumble" is worth -2 points and is the difference between winning or losing this week. Does anyone who watched that game, recall Evans fumbling? I cannot find this in any box score. Is there a website that list updated stats regarding the NFL?Thanks for any info. Alex
I just lost in my Yahoo league for the same stat correction. Lee Evans went from 11 yds, no fumble lost to 10 yds, 1 fumble lost. The box score to the game on Yahoo and NFL.com show 11 yds, no fumble. I just e-mailed Yahoo to complain.
 
bills fan here and without a doubt he fumbled the last play of the 1st half. did the ruling change? not sure how as it was clearly a fumble.
How would this score against Evans though? They can't retroactively give the other team the ball so it is like a fumble out of bounds, meaning no points off.
a fumble is a fumble. it doesnt matter if the other team's offense comes on the field. this is no different than a qb throwing a hail mary at the end of the game and having it picked off. it still counts as an int even though the game is over.if anything yahoo must have made a scoring error upfront on their live scoring.
 
bills fan here and without a doubt he fumbled the last play of the 1st half. did the ruling change? not sure how as it was clearly a fumble.
How would this score against Evans though? They can't retroactively give the other team the ball so it is like a fumble out of bounds, meaning no points off.
a fumble is a fumble. it doesnt matter if the other team's offense comes on the field. this is no different than a qb throwing a hail mary at the end of the game and having it picked off. it still counts as an int even though the game is over.if anything yahoo must have made a scoring error upfront on their live scoring.
But if a player fumbles and his teammates recover it or it goes out of bounds the player isn't penalized for a fumble. At least not in any of the leagues I have played in. If a player fumbles the ball and then falls on it himself, is that counted?
 
I saw this too and sent an email out. I encourage you to do the same.

If it's a fumble then it was a catch. Where's the catch and yardage then?

 
:lmao: at all people sending e-mails to complain when in fact you are WRONG. Leagues who attributed a fumble to Lee Evans are indeed correct.

The play reads like this in the gamebook

2-4-BUF 40 (:08) 7-J.Losman pass short right to 83-L.Evans to NE 49 for 11 yards (99-M.Wright). Caught in flat at BUF 47. P9

End of half - 2:17 pm

It should have read like this:

2-4-BUF 40 (:08) 7-J.Losman pass short right to 83-L.Evans to NE 49 for 10 yards (99-M.Wright). FUMBLES (99-M.Wright), RECOVERED by NE-27-E.Hobbs at 50. 27-E.Hobbs to BUF 45 for 5 yards.

End of half - 2:17 pm

So the correction you have to make to your leagues is this:

L Evans minus 1 receiving yard

L Evans plus one fumble lost

M Wright plus one forced fumble

E Hobbs plus one fumble recovery

Leagues that fixed this are correct.

Evans did not fumble out of bonds by the way. If you saw the game, you would not use that argument.

 
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:lmao: at all people sending e-mails to complain when in fact you are WRONG. Leagues who attributed a fumble to Lee Evans are indeed correct.

The play reads like this in the gamebook

2-4-BUF 40 (:08) 7-J.Losman pass short right to 83-L.Evans to NE 49 for 11 yards (99-M.Wright). Caught in flat at BUF 47. P9

End of half - 2:17 pm

It should have read like this:

2-4-BUF 40 (:08) 7-J.Losman pass short right to 83-L.Evans to NE 49 for 10 yards (99-M.Wright). FUMBLES (99-M.Wright), RECOVERED by NE-27-E.Hobbs at 50. 27-E.Hobbs to BUF 45 for 5 yards.

End of half - 2:17 pm

So the correction you have to make to your leagues is this:

L Evans minus 1 receiving yard

L Evans plus one fumble lost

M Wright plus one forced fumble

E Hobbs plus one fumble recovery

Leagues that fixed this are correct.

Evans did not fumble out of bonds by the way. If you saw the game, you would not use that argument.
I didn't know the half stopped the other offense from taking the field. I was wrong.
 
Boston.com

Quote:

October 25, 2006

Scoring changes

There have been three official scoring changes from Sunday's game against the Bills:

1) The Patriots were credited with a forced fumble and recovery on the final play of the first half. DL Mike Wright forced the fumble, while CB Ellis Hobbs recovered the fumble, and was credited with a 5-yard return.

2) A third-quarter sack that was shared between Rodney Harrison and Rosevelt Colvin was awarded solely to Harrison.

3) A fourth-quarter punt by Josh Miller was initially credited as a 46-yard punt. It was a 47-yarder.

Posted By: mreiss | Time: 08:42:04 PM | Link | E-mail to a friend
 
MFL hasn't change it, still has 1 for 11
What's MFL's rule on stat changes? Most leagues I am in allow stat changes until Sunday 1pm. Any stat change made more than a week after the game are dismissed. Not sure about MFL.
I answered my own question
Occasionally, Elias Sports Bureau (the official Statistician of the NFL) make official statistics changes after a week's games have been completed. For example, on Thursday, September 9th (4 days after this week 1 game was over), Elias changed a fumble by Travis Henry to an aborted play, ruling that Drew Bledsoe didn't get Henry the ball (full details are on our 2003 Week #1 NFL Stat Changes page). Note that there is no set schedule for when these corrections are announced - they might be announced a day after a game is over, and at other times, it may be weeks later.

When changes like this happen after we've issued "Final Weekly Results" for a given week, we allow you, as the league commissioner, to decide if you'd like to include or exclude these late statistics changes from your league results, by displaying a message to you detailing the changes on your league home page, and allowing you to select how you'd like to handle them, and offering the "For Commissioners > Stat Changes" menu option to manage these stat changes.

A quick word about official NFL Statistics changes - experience has shown that some web sites choose to update their pages to reflect these changes, while other sites do not - even the NFL itself typically does not update it's "Game Stats" pages to reflect these changes. Keep that in mind when looking at others sites and comparing the statistics that they display as compared to ours.

How we handle "Official NFL Statistics Changes" is another way we like to differentiate ourselves from some of our competitors. Some of our competitors force you to accept all of the official NFL statistics changes, while others expect you to manually adjust your scores in the case of offficial NFL statistics changes. We think it's best for you to decide how to handle these stat changes, so you can optionally include or exclude them from your leauge scoring results on a week-by-week basis.
http://www.myfantasyleague.com/statistics_lifecycle.htm

 
I logged in this morning to check on my team in an ESPN league and to my surprise Lee Evans was credited with a fumble in sundays game against the Patriots. This "fumble" is worth -2 points and is the difference between winning or losing this week. Does anyone who watched that game, recall Evans fumbling? I cannot find this in any box score. Is there a website that list updated stats regarding the NFL?

Thanks for any info.

Alex
I just lost in my Yahoo league for the same stat correction. Lee Evans went from 11 yds, no fumble lost to 10 yds, 1 fumble lost. The box score to the game on Yahoo and NFL.com show 11 yds, no fumble. I just e-mailed Yahoo to complain.
This was Yahoo's e-mail reply:
Hello [snot Bubbler],

Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Fantasy Sports.

Yahoo! does not create the stats, this was an official change made by

the NFL and Elias Sports Bureau.

Check Lee Evans Game Log on NFL.com tomorrow and it should reflect the

official change.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492932/gamelogs/2006

** You can click on the 'Stat Corrections' link from the 'Players' tab

to view a list of corrections that have been processed in your league.

*** Please note that any statistical changes that are made will only

impact head-to-head matchups if they are made before the first game of

the following week.

Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.

Regards,

Marshall

Yahoo! Customer Care
You bet your ### I'm going to check it tomorrow.
 
I also saw the game.

The play was clealry a fumble and the only reason i heard they did not score it as such was because the ref did not re-spot the ball because the half was over.

Clearly a fumble and it shoudl retroactively count in all fantasy leagues.

 
:lmao: at all people sending e-mails to complain when in fact you are WRONG. Leagues who attributed a fumble to Lee Evans are indeed correct.

The play reads like this in the gamebook

2-4-BUF 40 (:08) 7-J.Losman pass short right to 83-L.Evans to NE 49 for 11 yards (99-M.Wright). Caught in flat at BUF 47. P9

End of half - 2:17 pm

It should have read like this:

2-4-BUF 40 (:08) 7-J.Losman pass short right to 83-L.Evans to NE 49 for 10 yards (99-M.Wright). FUMBLES (99-M.Wright), RECOVERED by NE-27-E.Hobbs at 50. 27-E.Hobbs to BUF 45 for 5 yards.

End of half - 2:17 pm

So the correction you have to make to your leagues is this:

L Evans minus 1 receiving yard

L Evans plus one fumble lost

M Wright plus one forced fumble

E Hobbs plus one fumble recovery

Leagues that fixed this are correct.

Evans did not fumble out of bonds by the way. If you saw the game, you would not use that argument.
your correction is wrong as I stated the post before yours. Assuming your last statement "should have read" is correct.He'd get 1 more catch and 10 more receiving yards(IE pass short right to Evans for 10 yards)

As I mentioned, I noticed the fumble creditted to him and the D but not the catch+yards. You can't fumble unless you establish posession. By establishing posession, it's a catch.

ETA-Your first statement of 11 yard pass was NOT creditted to him

 
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:lmao: at all people sending e-mails to complain when in fact you are WRONG. Leagues who attributed a fumble to Lee Evans are indeed correct.

The play reads like this in the gamebook

2-4-BUF 40 (:08) 7-J.Losman pass short right to 83-L.Evans to NE 49 for 11 yards (99-M.Wright). Caught in flat at BUF 47. P9

End of half - 2:17 pm

It should have read like this:

2-4-BUF 40 (:08) 7-J.Losman pass short right to 83-L.Evans to NE 49 for 10 yards (99-M.Wright). FUMBLES (99-M.Wright), RECOVERED by NE-27-E.Hobbs at 50. 27-E.Hobbs to BUF 45 for 5 yards.

End of half - 2:17 pm

So the correction you have to make to your leagues is this:

L Evans minus 1 receiving yard

L Evans plus one fumble lost

M Wright plus one forced fumble

E Hobbs plus one fumble recovery

Leagues that fixed this are correct.

Evans did not fumble out of bonds by the way. If you saw the game, you would not use that argument.
your correction is wrong as I stated the post before yours. Assuming your last statement "should have read" is correct.He'd get 1 more catch and 10 more receiving yards(IE pass short right to Evans for 10 yards)

As I mentioned, I noticed the fumble creditted to him and the D but not the catch+yards. You can't fumble unless you establish posession. By establishing posession, it's a catch.

ETA-Your first statement of 11 yard pass was NOT creditted to him
:confused: My correction is correct. I don't understand what you are confused about. He does not get one more catch. He only caught the ball once all game long. Why would he get two?

Original gamebook: 1 catch for 11 yds, no fumble.

we need to fix it because

1. That particular reception was not 11 yds, it was 10 yds.

2. In addition, ON THE SAME PLAY he fumbled. He did establish possession, which is exactly why he ended the game with 1-10 and one fumble instead of 0-0 and zero fumble.

Period. There is no 2nd reception to talk about.

One reception, one fumble. End of it.

Maybe you are not seeing clearly.

 
I logged in this morning to check on my team in an ESPN league and to my surprise Lee Evans was credited with a fumble in sundays game against the Patriots. This "fumble" is worth -2 points and is the difference between winning or losing this week. Does anyone who watched that game, recall Evans fumbling? I cannot find this in any box score. Is there a website that list updated stats regarding the NFL?

Thanks for any info.

Alex
I just lost in my Yahoo league for the same stat correction. Lee Evans went from 11 yds, no fumble lost to 10 yds, 1 fumble lost. The box score to the game on Yahoo and NFL.com show 11 yds, no fumble. I just e-mailed Yahoo to complain.
This was Yahoo's e-mail reply:
Hello [snot Bubbler],

Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Fantasy Sports.

Yahoo! does not create the stats, this was an official change made by

the NFL and Elias Sports Bureau.

Check Lee Evans Game Log on NFL.com tomorrow and it should reflect the

official change.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492932/gamelogs/2006

** You can click on the 'Stat Corrections' link from the 'Players' tab

to view a list of corrections that have been processed in your league.

*** Please note that any statistical changes that are made will only

impact head-to-head matchups if they are made before the first game of

the following week.

Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Customer Care.

Regards,

Marshall

Yahoo! Customer Care
You bet your ### I'm going to check it tomorrow.
Even if the NFL updates their website next month instead of tomorrow, it won't change the fact that Evans fumbled and that the Elias Sports Bureau correctly fixed the stats. Take the situation in reverse, if you were on the losing end of your matchup and your opponent had Evans, and you saw the game, you would be screaming for your league to fix the problem. You have no leverage in this case. Evans fumbled.

 
I see all this about Yahoo. I am in CBS and lost by one with Patriots DEF. I will now win by one with a fumble recovery. Does anyone else have CBS that has gotten a response as to when the stat line will be updated?

 
Thanks for the clarification guys. I did not watch the game, so I did not know about the last play of the first half. Despite that play costing me the game this week, I am glad ESPN picked up on this and corrected the scoring before the saturday deadline. I would have hated for this to come out too late and get credit for a victory I did not deserve.

 
bills fan here and without a doubt he fumbled the last play of the 1st half. did the ruling change? not sure how as it was clearly a fumble.
How would this score against Evans though? They can't retroactively give the other team the ball so it is like a fumble out of bounds, meaning no points off.
a fumble is a fumble. it doesnt matter if the other team's offense comes on the field. this is no different than a qb throwing a hail mary at the end of the game and having it picked off. it still counts as an int even though the game is over.if anything yahoo must have made a scoring error upfront on their live scoring.
But if a player fumbles and his teammates recover it or it goes out of bounds the player isn't penalized for a fumble. At least not in any of the leagues I have played in. If a player fumbles the ball and then falls on it himself, is that counted?
Depends on your scoring. Most leagues go -2 for a Fumble Lost, some do -2 for any fumble. I do -1 for a fumble and -1 for a fumble lost. (I personally think this is best as a fumble is either -1 or -2 depending on whether your team recovers it.)
 
bills fan here and without a doubt he fumbled the last play of the 1st half. did the ruling change? not sure how as it was clearly a fumble.
How would this score against Evans though? They can't retroactively give the other team the ball so it is like a fumble out of bounds, meaning no points off.
a fumble is a fumble. it doesnt matter if the other team's offense comes on the field. this is no different than a qb throwing a hail mary at the end of the game and having it picked off. it still counts as an int even though the game is over.if anything yahoo must have made a scoring error upfront on their live scoring.
But if a player fumbles and his teammates recover it or it goes out of bounds the player isn't penalized for a fumble. At least not in any of the leagues I have played in. If a player fumbles the ball and then falls on it himself, is that counted?
Depends on your scoring. Most leagues go -2 for a Fumble Lost, some do -2 for any fumble. I do -1 for a fumble and -1 for a fumble lost. (I personally think this is best as a fumble is either -1 or -2 depending on whether your team recovers it.)
Interesting. Makes more sense that way as a fumble is a fumble even if the player gets lucky and his team recovers. Just like the NFL, less negative if they can recover. I like it.
 
So how many games will be altered by this change?

Won by one or two or tied with Evans?

Lost by one or two or tied with NEP DEF/ST?

 
This happened to me a few weeks ago when Larry Fitz has 1 rush for yards....and was later changed to a catch for 5 yards. It cost me the game and there is nothing you can do about it.

 

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