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I realize the Ravens' defense is pretty good but 21 total yards today from Bush is pretty pathetic. And it's not like this was an aberration either. This is the fourth game in a row where Bush has had less than 30 yards rushing and the second game in a row where he made little impact as a receiver. It's pretty much reached the point where he can't even be started as a RB3 in non-PPR flex leagues. So what do other Bush owners in non-PPR leagues think? Do you harbor any belief that he can become a viable RB3 (or better) this season or are you resigned to the belief that he's not going to show much of anything going forward with a possible good game or two the rest of the season?

 
Nope and you were told repeatedly by many of us not to waste a 1st or 2nd on him...

It's your own fault.

 
MLBrandow said:
Nope and you were told repeatedly by many of us not to waste a 1st or 2nd on him...It's your own fault.
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I'm well aware of who's responsible for drafting him. That isn't the point of this thread. I'm simply wondering how other Bush owners in non-PPR leagues feel about him. It's clear he wasn't worth a high-round pick in these leagues but that isn't the point of this thread.
 
Barring an injury from McCallister, I wouldn't be counting on Bush to do anything in non-PPR leagues. In redraft leagues, he's almost completely useless - I can't envisiion a scenario under which I would feel comfortable starting Reggie Bush over other bottom of the barrel starters like Brandon Jacobs, etc. - I don't think Bush is even a good start when you look at just platoon guys.

 
I was also in the camp that never had much hope for him this year in non-PPRs. That said- not much you can do at this point besides holding on to him and hoping for that occasional 50yard scamper for a TD (rush, rec, or return) or doing your best pimp-job and hoping there's a USC fan or Bush-lover in year league who might give you something for him.

 
JetsWillWin said:
Barring an injury from McCallister, I wouldn't be counting on Bush to do anything in non-PPR leagues. In redraft leagues, he's almost completely useless - I can't envisiion a scenario under which I would feel comfortable starting Reggie Bush over other bottom of the barrel starters like Brandon Jacobs, etc. - I don't think Bush is even a good start when you look at just platoon guys.
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I'd agree with this. He was surpassed by guys like Maroney, Addai and Jones-Drew weeks ago. But I would also agree that when you're looking at other backups he would rate below guys like Norwood and Marion Barber in non-PPR leagues and possibly DeAngelo Williams as well should he return in Week 10. I could also see him get passed up by LenDale White in the not too distant future as well.
 
I traded him for LaMont Jordan last week.. :bag: . I don't regret it either. LaMont will come around and have a better fantasy season than Bush IMO. :D

 
MLBrandow said:
Nope and you were told repeatedly by many of us not to waste a 1st or 2nd on him...It's your own fault.
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Wow, completely useless contribution to the boards. Thanks for nothing. HEY LOOK AT ME, I TOLD YOU SO!! I'm undefeated in all my leagues because I knew everything that was going to happen before the season started, you all should have listened to me. Of course, if Bush had panned out, you would have heard nothing from me ever again.Anyway, as far as Bush goes, it's about time to let him get some rest on the fantasy football bench. At least until the Saints decide to incorporate him more in their running game, if that ever happens.
 
packersfan said:
MLBrandow said:
Nope and you were told repeatedly by many of us not to waste a 1st or 2nd on him...It's your own fault.
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I'm well aware of who's responsible for drafting him. That isn't the point of this thread. I'm simply wondering how other Bush owners in non-PPR leagues feel about him. It's clear he wasn't worth a high-round pick in these leagues but that isn't the point of this thread.
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I answered your question, what more do you want?The Saints aren't going to break .500 this year and are about to go for a long ride down memory lane.It is unlikely that Bush will be of any worth this year because he's more useful as a decoy than when he has the ball. Because of this, he's a question mark to even score touchdowns, much less take over a football game.His problem running the ball isn't something that is going to be fixed during the season. He needs the mental maturity to look for the 4 and 8 yard gains rather than trying to meander his way to the endzone when the lanes just aren't there. This will take him at least the offseason of consistently training his mind to fix.So, in case you skipped over the first word of my post, the answer is still "Nope."
 
MLBrandow said:
packersfan said:
MLBrandow said:
Nope and you were told repeatedly by many of us not to waste a 1st or 2nd on him...It's your own fault.
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I'm well aware of who's responsible for drafting him. That isn't the point of this thread. I'm simply wondering how other Bush owners in non-PPR leagues feel about him. It's clear he wasn't worth a high-round pick in these leagues but that isn't the point of this thread.
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I answered your question, what more do you want?
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No, you answered a completely different question and one I had no interest in posing because the answer is already quite clear. Yes Bush was a bust if taken early in non-PPR leagues. That's been clear for the past few weeks and it's doubtful anything is going to change that. Back on topic, something to keep in mind is Bush left the game late today with an ankle injury. This may be the same injury that Jay Glazer first reported about the other day which he said has been kept well under the radar in New Orleans.
 
JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo said:
MLBrandow said:
Nope and you were told repeatedly by many of us not to waste a 1st or 2nd on him...It's your own fault.
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Wow, completely useless contribution to the boards. Thanks for nothing. HEY LOOK AT ME, I TOLD YOU SO!! I'm undefeated in all my leagues because I knew everything that was going to happen before the season started, you all should have listened to me. Of course, if Bush had panned out, you would have heard nothing from me ever again.Anyway, as far as Bush goes, it's about time to let him get some rest on the fantasy football bench. At least until the Saints decide to incorporate him more in their running game, if that ever happens.
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Disgruntled because you bought into the Bush hype?
JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo said:
Bush 196. . .It could happen
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Let's see... yup. And you know, there's a smilie for that...:potkettle:Guess there's a reason you only post here 3 times a year.
 
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Reggie Bust is useless in non-PPR.

He is averaging 3.0 YPC and has a long run of 18 yards this year.

He has shown such little skill rushing the ball that I question if he will ever be a top RB. I realize he gets a lot of receptions. However, it seems he will not be one to grind out 100 yards on 25 carries or have BIG games.

If Deuce got hurt, I don't think Reggie would step up. Look what happened in the Philly game. When Deuce was nicked, Aaron Stecker got involved. I realize that Shaun Peyton is using Reggie as he feels best suits the Saints (and it has worked). However, that isnt best for fantasy football. Plus, if Reggie were a beast there is no way Aaron Stecker would get carries from Reggie (Stecker got 3 carries and 2 catches in the limited time that Deuce was hurt).

If you compare him to almost any top RB in their rookie year he pales in comparison. He did do better than Holmes (no carries for preist as a rookie) and LJ (rode the bench to preist and had no carries). But if you go to profootball reference and compare him to almost anyone you can think of you will realize that he is a disappointment.

 
Bottom line is this is a back that you would start because of what he "might do" rather than what he does.

He is going to have one big week guaranteed this year.

I drafted him way too high this year because my keeper status was in chaos and old. I am lucky that I managed to surround him with enough FFL points that my team is in first place, but he did cost me the game today. At the last minute I benched Lundy and started Bush (why? why?) and I am going to lose because of it.

 
I traded him and Chad Johnson for LT2, Turner, and Chad Jackson, and it IS a PPR dynasty league, and I'm still giddy.

 
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Anybody that selected him in non ppr non dynasty in the second round or earlier has to be pissed right about now. I think he is about two years from being able to be a reliable no.2 in a non ppr league or whenever Duece leaves town. The thing about him is he has a bullseye on him everytime he touches the ball which can be good for his decoy ability. Nobody wants to be on a Reggie Bush highlight getting abused so they are fully committed to shut him down.

 
Bush is am explosive player when he gets tp the open field - that has not changed BUT his rushing ability is not up to par with average NFL running backs. I can't see how the situation is going to improve in NO

- even if Deuce gets hurt. He has very limited value in FF this year and almost none in NonPPR scoring formats.

I wasted a second rounder on him in one of my keeper leagues and I had to start him him this week in place of Portis. I might scratch out a win this week but he will remain on my bench for the rest of the year and if he does have a big game I will try to trade him.

 
KiddLattimer said:
shadyridr said:
KiddLattimer said:
shadyridr said:
So why do people continually laugh at the Texans for passing up on him?
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Because Mario Williams is worse
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:confused: Williams has been awesome the last 2 games
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Noted the keywords... (vs Tennessee & a banged up Jacksonville)
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Dangerous to judge any DE on his first games, or season for that matter. Whereas with a RB, they are generally studs right off the bat.But that's beside the point. People laughing at the Texans for taking Martio has nothing to do with Mario's performance. It has to do with what people thought the Texans should have done.

I will say that I haven't heard too many of those people lately. I'm sure they are waiting for Reggie to break the 50 yard rushing mark first......

 
Bush's outlook may look pretty bleak now, but we can also reference the "Is Mike Bell officially a waste" and "Is there any point in holding onto Wali Lundy" threads as examples of how quickly things can change. Deuce didn't look good today either, the Saints were just dominated as a whole by one of the best defenses in the NFL.

I still think Bush is good for ~80 yards a game with a TD thrown in every once in a long while, so I wouldn't say he's not even worthwhile as a flex option at this point.

 
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Perhaps 70 was a better number, a mark he eclipsed each of the first 5 weeks.

Point taken however.

Nonetheless Caddy had 470 yds and 1 touchdown through his first 6 games and people are still starting him as a RB2. Headed into this week Bush had 481 yards and a punt return touchdown through his first 6 games and he's not worth consideration for a flex spot?

 
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drdgreenlove said:
packersfan said:
JuniorNB said:
FreeBaGeL said:
I still think Bush is good for ~80 yards a game with a TD thrown in every once in a long while, so I wouldn't say he's not even worthwhile as a flex option at this point.
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Bush has never had an offensive touchdown. Ever. Not even one.
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He's also only had 80 total yards in a game twice this season and only once since Week 1.
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and his longest run is only 18 yards.
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I've been much more impressed with what I've seen from LenDale White as a runner than what I've seen from Bush so far.
 
I'm interested in the value of Bush in a non-PPR dynasty league. The person in my league who drafted him still has visions of him being the best RB in the league in a couple of years. And he's still ranked pretty highly in the footballguys.com dynasty rankings. Yet he hasn't scored a lot of fantasy points in a non-PPR league.

What the chances that he's just not getting inside carries because Deuce is still there? How long is Deuce's current contract? Is this another Larry Johnson type situation where in 2-3 year Bush will explode into the top 10?

 
Gandalf said:
I'm interested in the value of Bush in a non-PPR dynasty league. The person in my league who drafted him still has visions of him being the best RB in the league in a couple of years. And he's still ranked pretty highly in the footballguys.com dynasty rankings. Yet he hasn't scored a lot of fantasy points in a non-PPR league.What the chances that he's just not getting inside carries because Deuce is still there? How long is Deuce's current contract? Is this another Larry Johnson type situation where in 2-3 year Bush will explode into the top 10?
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Sheldon Mickles, of the Advocate, reports New Orleans Saints RB Deuce McAllister's $50.1 million contract included $12.5 million in bonuses, with a $7 million signing bonus, a $4 million option bonus in 2006 and a $1.5 million roster bonus due next March. Base salaries for the first five years of the deal are $600,000 (2005), $1.45 million (2006), $2.6 million (2007), $3.6 million (2008) and $5.2 million (2009). Roster bonuses of $1 million each are due in 2007 and 2008
 
fruity pebbles said:
Gandalf said:
I'm interested in the value of Bush in a non-PPR dynasty league. The person in my league who drafted him still has visions of him being the best RB in the league in a couple of years. And he's still ranked pretty highly in the footballguys.com dynasty rankings. Yet he hasn't scored a lot of fantasy points in a non-PPR league.

What the chances that he's just not getting inside carries because Deuce is still there? How long is Deuce's current contract? Is this another Larry Johnson type situation where in 2-3 year Bush will explode into the top 10?
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Sheldon Mickles, of the Advocate, reports New Orleans Saints RB Deuce McAllister's $50.1 million contract included $12.5 million in bonuses, with a $7 million signing bonus, a $4 million option bonus in 2006 and a $1.5 million roster bonus due next March. Base salaries for the first five years of the deal are $600,000 (2005), $1.45 million (2006), $2.6 million (2007), $3.6 million (2008) and $5.2 million (2009). Roster bonuses of $1 million each are due in 2007 and 2008
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He will never see that money in 2008 and beyond.
 
perry147 said:
fruity pebbles said:
Gandalf said:
I'm interested in the value of Bush in a non-PPR dynasty league. The person in my league who drafted him still has visions of him being the best RB in the league in a couple of years. And he's still ranked pretty highly in the footballguys.com dynasty rankings. Yet he hasn't scored a lot of fantasy points in a non-PPR league.

What the chances that he's just not getting inside carries because Deuce is still there? How long is Deuce's current contract? Is this another Larry Johnson type situation where in 2-3 year Bush will explode into the top 10?
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Sheldon Mickles, of the Advocate, reports New Orleans Saints RB Deuce McAllister's $50.1 million contract included $12.5 million in bonuses, with a $7 million signing bonus, a $4 million option bonus in 2006 and a $1.5 million roster bonus due next March. Base salaries for the first five years of the deal are $600,000 (2005), $1.45 million (2006), $2.6 million (2007), $3.6 million (2008) and $5.2 million (2009). Roster bonuses of $1 million each are due in 2007 and 2008
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He will never see that money in 2008 and beyond.
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I don't think the 2008 number is that ridiculous. And even still, inflated back-ended contracts are nothing new in the NFL.
 
JetsWillWin said:
perry147 said:
fruity pebbles said:
Gandalf said:
I'm interested in the value of Bush in a non-PPR dynasty league. The person in my league who drafted him still has visions of him being the best RB in the league in a couple of years. And he's still ranked pretty highly in the footballguys.com dynasty rankings. Yet he hasn't scored a lot of fantasy points in a non-PPR league.

What the chances that he's just not getting inside carries because Deuce is still there? How long is Deuce's current contract? Is this another Larry Johnson type situation where in 2-3 year Bush will explode into the top 10?
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Sheldon Mickles, of the Advocate, reports New Orleans Saints RB Deuce McAllister's $50.1 million contract included $12.5 million in bonuses, with a $7 million signing bonus, a $4 million option bonus in 2006 and a $1.5 million roster bonus due next March. Base salaries for the first five years of the deal are $600,000 (2005), $1.45 million (2006), $2.6 million (2007), $3.6 million (2008) and $5.2 million (2009). Roster bonuses of $1 million each are due in 2007 and 2008
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He will never see that money in 2008 and beyond.
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I don't think the 2008 number is that ridiculous. And even still, inflated back-ended contracts are nothing new in the NFL.
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4.6 million is getting pricey especially with what you're paying Bush.
 
fruity pebbles said:
JetsWillWin said:
perry147 said:
fruity pebbles said:
Gandalf said:
I'm interested in the value of Bush in a non-PPR dynasty league. The person in my league who drafted him still has visions of him being the best RB in the league in a couple of years. And he's still ranked pretty highly in the footballguys.com dynasty rankings. Yet he hasn't scored a lot of fantasy points in a non-PPR league.

What the chances that he's just not getting inside carries because Deuce is still there? How long is Deuce's current contract? Is this another Larry Johnson type situation where in 2-3 year Bush will explode into the top 10?
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Sheldon Mickles, of the Advocate, reports New Orleans Saints RB Deuce McAllister's $50.1 million contract included $12.5 million in bonuses, with a $7 million signing bonus, a $4 million option bonus in 2006 and a $1.5 million roster bonus due next March. Base salaries for the first five years of the deal are $600,000 (2005), $1.45 million (2006), $2.6 million (2007), $3.6 million (2008) and $5.2 million (2009). Roster bonuses of $1 million each are due in 2007 and 2008
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He will never see that money in 2008 and beyond.
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I don't think the 2008 number is that ridiculous. And even still, inflated back-ended contracts are nothing new in the NFL.
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4.6 million is getting pricey especially with what you're paying Bush.
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First of all it's $3.6, and secondly they have a very good running game going on - Bush has not cut it running the ball, so they have to pay SOMEONE to run it. And with the new, higher cap, I doubt the Saints are going to be in such dire cap trouble that they need to cut/move their best running running back.
 
JetsWillWin said:
fruity pebbles said:
JetsWillWin said:
perry147 said:
fruity pebbles said:
Gandalf said:
I'm interested in the value of Bush in a non-PPR dynasty league. The person in my league who drafted him still has visions of him being the best RB in the league in a couple of years. And he's still ranked pretty highly in the footballguys.com dynasty rankings. Yet he hasn't scored a lot of fantasy points in a non-PPR league.

What the chances that he's just not getting inside carries because Deuce is still there? How long is Deuce's current contract? Is this another Larry Johnson type situation where in 2-3 year Bush will explode into the top 10?
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Sheldon Mickles, of the Advocate, reports New Orleans Saints RB Deuce McAllister's $50.1 million contract included $12.5 million in bonuses, with a $7 million signing bonus, a $4 million option bonus in 2006 and a $1.5 million roster bonus due next March. Base salaries for the first five years of the deal are $600,000 (2005), $1.45 million (2006), $2.6 million (2007), $3.6 million (2008) and $5.2 million (2009). Roster bonuses of $1 million each are due in 2007 and 2008
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He will never see that money in 2008 and beyond.
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I don't think the 2008 number is that ridiculous. And even still, inflated back-ended contracts are nothing new in the NFL.
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4.6 million is getting pricey especially with what you're paying Bush.
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First of all it's $3.6, and secondly they have a very good running game going on - Bush has not cut it running the ball, so they have to pay SOMEONE to run it. And with the new, higher cap, I doubt the Saints are going to be in such dire cap trouble that they need to cut/move their best running running back.
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you're missing the 1 million roster bonus making it 4.6 million.
 
fruity pebbles said:
JetsWillWin said:
fruity pebbles said:
JetsWillWin said:
perry147 said:
fruity pebbles said:
Gandalf said:
I'm interested in the value of Bush in a non-PPR dynasty league. The person in my league who drafted him still has visions of him being the best RB in the league in a couple of years. And he's still ranked pretty highly in the footballguys.com dynasty rankings. Yet he hasn't scored a lot of fantasy points in a non-PPR league.

What the chances that he's just not getting inside carries because Deuce is still there? How long is Deuce's current contract? Is this another Larry Johnson type situation where in 2-3 year Bush will explode into the top 10?
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Sheldon Mickles, of the Advocate, reports New Orleans Saints RB Deuce McAllister's $50.1 million contract included $12.5 million in bonuses, with a $7 million signing bonus, a $4 million option bonus in 2006 and a $1.5 million roster bonus due next March. Base salaries for the first five years of the deal are $600,000 (2005), $1.45 million (2006), $2.6 million (2007), $3.6 million (2008) and $5.2 million (2009). Roster bonuses of $1 million each are due in 2007 and 2008
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He will never see that money in 2008 and beyond.
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I don't think the 2008 number is that ridiculous. And even still, inflated back-ended contracts are nothing new in the NFL.
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4.6 million is getting pricey especially with what you're paying Bush.
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First of all it's $3.6, and secondly they have a very good running game going on - Bush has not cut it running the ball, so they have to pay SOMEONE to run it. And with the new, higher cap, I doubt the Saints are going to be in such dire cap trouble that they need to cut/move their best running running back.
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you're missing the 1 million roster bonus making it 4.6 million.
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Right, okay. Well, I still don't think that this will end up being the factor that Bush-dynasty-owners hope it will be.
 
Here's Shaun Alexander's contract for comparison:

Mike Sando, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports Seattle Seahawks RB Shaun Alexander's new eight-year contract with the Seahawks is for $61,687,500. The deal includes base salaries of $1.625 million (2006), $1.4 million (2007), $4.475 million (2008), $5.562 million (2009), $6.65 million (2010), $7.7375 million (2011), $8.825 million (2012) and $9.9125 million (2013). Alexander will receive an $11.5 million signing bonus, plus $2 million bonuses in 2006 and 2007 if he is on the roster. The deal counts $6.5 million against the salary cap this year and $6.275 million in 2007. Remaining cap figures can be calculated by adding $2.875 million to each base salary after 2007.

 
JetsWillWin said:
fruity pebbles said:
JetsWillWin said:
fruity pebbles said:
JetsWillWin said:
perry147 said:
fruity pebbles said:
Gandalf said:
I'm interested in the value of Bush in a non-PPR dynasty league. The person in my league who drafted him still has visions of him being the best RB in the league in a couple of years. And he's still ranked pretty highly in the footballguys.com dynasty rankings. Yet he hasn't scored a lot of fantasy points in a non-PPR league.

What the chances that he's just not getting inside carries because Deuce is still there? How long is Deuce's current contract? Is this another Larry Johnson type situation where in 2-3 year Bush will explode into the top 10?
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Sheldon Mickles, of the Advocate, reports New Orleans Saints RB Deuce McAllister's $50.1 million contract included $12.5 million in bonuses, with a $7 million signing bonus, a $4 million option bonus in 2006 and a $1.5 million roster bonus due next March. Base salaries for the first five years of the deal are $600,000 (2005), $1.45 million (2006), $2.6 million (2007), $3.6 million (2008) and $5.2 million (2009). Roster bonuses of $1 million each are due in 2007 and 2008
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He will never see that money in 2008 and beyond.
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I don't think the 2008 number is that ridiculous. And even still, inflated back-ended contracts are nothing new in the NFL.
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4.6 million is getting pricey especially with what you're paying Bush.
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First of all it's $3.6, and secondly they have a very good running game going on - Bush has not cut it running the ball, so they have to pay SOMEONE to run it. And with the new, higher cap, I doubt the Saints are going to be in such dire cap trouble that they need to cut/move their best running running back.
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you're missing the 1 million roster bonus making it 4.6 million.
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Right, okay. Well, I still don't think that this will end up being the factor that Bush-dynasty-owners hope it will be.
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You expect the Saint to pay an almost an often injured 30 year old RB (12-27-1978) in 2008 who has only once scored more than 9 TD on a season $4.6 million dollars? I think you are wrong - But it would not be the first time I have been wrong about the Saints.

 
MLBrandow said:
JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo said:
MLBrandow said:
Nope and you were told repeatedly by many of us not to waste a 1st or 2nd on him...It's your own fault.
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Wow, completely useless contribution to the boards. Thanks for nothing. HEY LOOK AT ME, I TOLD YOU SO!! I'm undefeated in all my leagues because I knew everything that was going to happen before the season started, you all should have listened to me. Of course, if Bush had panned out, you would have heard nothing from me ever again.Anyway, as far as Bush goes, it's about time to let him get some rest on the fantasy football bench. At least until the Saints decide to incorporate him more in their running game, if that ever happens.
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Disgruntled because you bought into the Bush hype?
JoeyJoeJoeJrShabadoo said:
Bush 196. . .It could happen
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Let's see... yup. And you know, there's a smilie for that...:potkettle:Guess there's a reason you only post here 3 times a year.
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Disgruntled because I hate know-it-alls who come onto the boards and proclaim themselves as experts because one thing that they thought would happen going into the season actually did. I'm not disgruntled about my team at all, I'm 7-1 with Bush on my roster.I look at these posts for insight, not "I TOLD YOU SO". Also, stop counting my posts, n00b.
 
the sky is falling the sky is falling. gee whiz guys, the ravens stomped the saints yesterday and bush got banged up. in non-ppr yes he is probably not valuable. but in ppr he is very valuable still imo. buy him cheap now. i am holding....

 
GOroute said:
the sky is falling the sky is falling. gee whiz guys, the ravens stomped the saints yesterday and bush got banged up. in non-ppr yes he is probably not valuable. but in ppr he is very valuable still imo. buy him cheap now. i am holding....
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That's the point of this thread. Bush's value in a PPR league is of no importance in this thread. I'm interested in hearing some thoughts from other Bush owners in non-PPR leagues and whether they are holding out any hope that he can even be a RB3 the rest of the way.
 
What are the implications for 2007? Do the Saints hold onto Duece or sign another back and continue to use Reggie in similar manner or does Reggie become the RB1 in NO?

 
sandlotshrink said:
What are the implications for 2007? Do the Saints hold onto Duece or sign another back and continue to use Reggie in similar manner or does Reggie become the RB1 in NO?
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Can't see the Saints letting Deuce go in 2007. He's their best runningback.
 
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