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WCOFF vs. NFFC (1 Viewer)

Gatorman

Gatorman

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Hey all,

I have competed in the WCOFF for a few years now (actually 4/5 of the years it has existed), but the payouts and the last server glitch and how it was handled really got me wondering if I want to stay in it. I went over to the NFFC website and liked what I saw. I am not super familiar with 14 team leagues, but otherwise most of the stuff seemed fairly similar, without the extra "event fees" that wcoff charges.

Anyone here in both or in the NFFC and want to give their opinion. In my mind, the supposed "pluses" of the WCOFF (the event at ESPN, Nick Bakay, and a room full of Fantasy nerds like myself) do not matter to me.

Anyone want to chime in?

 
Hey Gator....GREAT TOPIC..

I started the same one on another board just yesterday, I hope this one gets to stay here.

I was thinking the same thing....... The NFFC is 14 teams right? I think some of us that do lot of Survivor leagues here may find that transition easy but, I'd love to hear from people who have done both....

*** The Biggest negative I see so far is that I kinda like being in Vegas for the opening weekend. Some may see that as a plus?

**** I seriously think a bunch of us should just go out there and organize our own league and it would be great if FBG were a part of it..... Isn't there a Wide open opportunity for FBG to revolutionize Fantasy Websites and software that sucks so bad right now? AND take over the whole Championship league format???

 
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Gator,

NFFC is a great experience.

I've competed in the NFFC since its inception and have found Greg & Tom to be thoroughly professional... they do a consistently excellent job running the contest. The drafts are smooth and well-proctored; the league software runs very efficiently (no problems in 3 years); and Greg & Tom are accessible and responsive to their customers... they're both on the message boards every day and actively solicit our opinions about how to make the leagues better. I do WCOFF every year as well and probably will in the future (though this year was a downturn), but the NFFC is just a better contest in my experience.

-In addition to the main event, NFFC also offers auctions, draft-champions, satellite-leagues and "ultimate" high-stakes leagues;

-They accept credit cards for payment;

-They have the fastest payouts of the nationals in which I compete.

Hope this helps.

 
beachbum said:
Gator,NFFC is a great experience.I've competed in the NFFC since its inception and have found Greg & Tom to be thoroughly professional... they do a consistently excellent job running the contest. The drafts are smooth and well-proctored; the league software runs very efficiently (no problems in 3 years); and Greg & Tom are accessible and responsive to their customers... they're both on the message boards every day and actively solicit our opinions about how to make the leagues better. I do WCOFF every year as well and probably will in the future (though this year was a downturn), but the NFFC is just a better contest in my experience. -In addition to the main event, NFFC also offers auctions, draft-champions, satellite-leagues and "ultimate" high-stakes leagues;
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So does the WCOFF - if you are going to compare, let's be fair about it
 
Steve - I think both events are very good - I have been in WCOFF all five years and in NFFC the last two years (although much longer in NFBC).

I think both are great events and hopefully can continue to play in both of them - they are different:

NFFC = 14 team leagues; WCOFF 12 teamers

NFFC uses KDS prefernce; WCOFF random draw

NFFC = Labor Day weekend; WCOFF first week of NFL season (and yes unfortunately that means the Thursday game is played before the main draft - no way around that, but it's not a big deal like some whine about)

NFFC = 1/2 point PPR for RB; WCOFF PPR for all receptions

Both management groups are very good and committed to growing their events and providing a great weekend of events for their customers - IMO

 
Perry Van Hook said:
Steve - I think both events are very good - I have been in WCOFF all five years and in NFFC the last two years (although much longer in NFBC).I think both are great events and hopefully can continue to play in both of them - they are different:NFFC = 14 team leagues; WCOFF 12 teamersNFFC uses KDS prefernce; WCOFF random drawNFFC = Labor Day weekend; WCOFF first week of NFL season (and yes unfortunately that means the Thursday game is played before the main draft - no way around that, but it's not a big deal like some whine about)NFFC = 1/2 point PPR for RB; WCOFF PPR for all receptionsBoth management groups are very good and committed to growing their events and providing a great weekend of events for their customers - IMO
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perry,Thanks for the imput. If they were offerred on the same weekend, which would you play in?
 
Oh, don't take my response to perry to mean that anyone elses opinion was overlooked.

It being labor day weekend is actually a minus in my book bc of the travel issues

 
Gatorman said:
Perry Van Hook said:
Steve - I think both events are very good - I have been in WCOFF all five years and in NFFC the last two years (although much longer in NFBC).I think both are great events and hopefully can continue to play in both of them - they are different:NFFC = 14 team leagues; WCOFF 12 teamersNFFC uses KDS prefernce; WCOFF random drawNFFC = Labor Day weekend; WCOFF first week of NFL season (and yes unfortunately that means the Thursday game is played before the main draft - no way around that, but it's not a big deal like some whine about)NFFC = 1/2 point PPR for RB; WCOFF PPR for all receptionsBoth management groups are very good and committed to growing their events and providing a great weekend of events for their customers - IMO
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perry,Thanks for the iput. If they were offerred on the same weekend, which would you play in?
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Steve - tough Q, but assuming that was the case, I would stick with WCOFF (although I think some of my reasons or event choices are personal and some involve friends I have made at that event over the last five years)
 
Perry Van Hook said:
Steve - I think both events are very good - I have been in WCOFF all five years and in NFFC the last two years (although much longer in NFBC).I think both are great events and hopefully can continue to play in both of them - they are different:NFFC = 14 team leagues; WCOFF 12 teamersNFFC uses KDS prefernce; WCOFF random drawNFFC = Labor Day weekend; WCOFF first week of NFL season (and yes unfortunately that means the Thursday game is played before the main draft - no way around that, but it's not a big deal like some whine about)NFFC = 1/2 point PPR for RB; WCOFF PPR for all receptionsBoth management groups are very good and committed to growing their events and providing a great weekend of events for their customers - IMO
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I've been in the WCOFF 4 years but not the NFFC. I did a lot of checking into the NFFC this year and Perry touched on the main points.One other pretty significant point in my opinion is the NFFC regular season is 13 weeks and the WCOFF regular season is 11. This is one of the reasons I disagree with Perry that it's not a big deal to draft after the Thursday night game when you already know 1/10th of a players regular season stats. I'd agree there is nothing you can do about it and I"d rather be in LV on opening weekend.Other than that I did not check if the NFFC makes you for an event or hotel fee. Because these fee's exist in the WCOFF if you don't get an excemption it makes it difficult to compute an accurate payout percentage in the WCOFF but when I computed the payout percentage assuming I had to pay for the event fee and hotel room(which i would not use) it was lower than what was offered by the NFFC.
 
Gatorman said:
Oh, don't take my response to perry to mean that anyone elses opinion was overlooked.It being labor day weekend is actually a minus in my book bc of the travel issues
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Curious to know what you mean when you say you would have travel issues on labor day weekend?
 
menobrown said:
Gatorman said:
Oh, don't take my response to perry to mean that anyone elses opinion was overlooked.It being labor day weekend is actually a minus in my book bc of the travel issues
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Curious to know what you mean when you say you would have travel issues on labor day weekend?
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wifey may not be too happy with me leaving town labor day and leaving her to watch the kiddies
 
Hey Perry,

Not trying to be unfair, just providing information. Like I said, I've competed in both events since their inceptions. As Gator said he's already competed in WCOFF I took as granted that he knew WCOFF had those offerings... I was simply pointing out additional facts that Gator might not have known given that he hasn't competed in NFFC before

Also, in regard to fees, the NFFC does not require a hotel stay or patronage to an "event" so you only pay for the entry fee

 
Perry Van Hook said:
Steve - I think both events are very good - I have been in WCOFF all five years and in NFFC the last two years (although much longer in NFBC).

I think both are great events and hopefully can continue to play in both of them - they are different:

NFFC = 14 team leagues; WCOFF 12 teamers

NFFC uses KDS prefernce; WCOFF random draw

NFFC = Labor Day weekend; WCOFF first week of NFL season (and yes unfortunately that means the Thursday game is played before the main draft - no way around that, but it's not a big deal like some whine about)

NFFC = 1/2 point PPR for RB; WCOFF PPR for all receptions

Both management groups are very good and committed to growing their events and providing a great weekend of events for their customers - IMO
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What does the bolded part mean?
 
If someone else can explain this better please feel free, but here's my simplification:

Basically KDS refers to a draft preference system, where an owner may put in his draft preference (anywhere from 1-14) and when that owner's name is "pulled out of the hat" then he gets slotted according to preference

for instance, if you designate draft slot #3 as your top preference and your name is selected first then you'll receive the #3 pick (the league software allows you to designate your preferences prior to the draft selection day)

hope this helps

 
I have competed in wcoff for five years, and nffc this year.

I have enjoyed my nffc year this fall. The 14 team leagues make it tougher to form a good, overall team. TQ Stats has been problem-free, and live scoring has been great. Greg and Tom are very responsive to e-mails & private messages. Greg, especially, has been exceptionally accomodating on matters. The customer service is better at nffc than wcoff.

I must say, I have had some real doubts about wcoff this fall. The ESPN Zone party fee is overpriced, and the hotel room charge is unfortunate. It all adds to the expense of the weekend. I also believe that Greg is much more responsive than Lenny to possible structure changes to the league.

 
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I have played in both leagues since their inception. Some of the above comments are not exactly accurate particularly about the events fee and trying to calculate the payout ratio for the WCOFF. Also, NFFC customer service may better but NFFC is quite smaller than the WCOFF.

Nonetheless, I can no longer justify the cost of both leagues next year. Instead, I will play in one main event and a satellite in another. I am going to wait until early 2007 to make my final decision.

Obviously there are pros and cons of each event. For the WCOFF, there is nothing like walking into a massive room in Vegas and experiencing the draft. For the NFFC, it is much more competitive and the draft is prior to the first NFL game.

Perhaps the single biggest issue for me at this point is the length of the fantasy regular season. As noted in previous posts, WCOFF is 11 weeks and the NCFF is 13 weeks. Those two extra weeks can make a difference particularly since both of my teams sucked this year (have Shaun in both). For that reason, I am currently slightly leaning towards the NFFC.

 
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