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Dallas Clark torn ACL per local news (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Bump Utech for the FF playoff run?
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Utecht is more the blocking TE. Fletcher might be the one to grab. Both will be used however.
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Footballguy
Utecht 29 catches 296 yards
Fletcher 12 for 120 and 2 TD
Tough call.
Fletcher 12 for 120 and 2 TD
Tough call.
msommer
Footballguy
Fletcher should be the (main) beneficiary as he'll be taking over Clarks role in 1 and 2 TE sets.Clark's numbers 36 rec 311 yards 4 TDs
einstein2u
Footballguy
dropping d. clark for fletcher....... 
purestrength
Footballguy
Just wondering. Has this been confirmed?
seahawk 17
Footballguy
It's also being reported on the Colt's message board. The popular opinion there is that Fletcher will be the TE catching passes, Utecht will be the blocking TE.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
That's what I said much earlier in the post. Utecht is the best blocking TE we have. Fletcher will be the receiving TE. However, I think once Proehl is up to speed, the TE's in general will lose looks to him. This is what is keeping the Colts down thus far IMO.Their best setup is the 3 WR set. Just remember Stokley 2 years ago.
Reservoir Dog
Footballguy
Anything official on this?Local news station just reported that family members have said it is a torn ACL. Just a heads up. No flaming allowed.
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
I picked up Utecht. Colts homer here who thinks he gets the looks instead of Fletcher.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
If he's the better blocker why would they send him out to catch?
he's been doing better each week this year, regardless of Clark's injury or presence
pizzatyme
Footballguy
From the Colts.com:Early this week, there was sentiment tight end Dallas Clark might be placed on injured reserve, Dungy said Wednesday. But with the knee injury Clark sustained against Philadelphia last week perhaps not season-ending, Dungy said the team opted to keep him active.Anything official on this?Local news station just reported that family members have said it is a torn ACL. Just a heads up. No flaming allowed.
“We got the MRI back and it was really encouraging,” Dungy said. “It wasn’t a situation where they said, 'Hey, it’s an ACL (anterior cruciate ligament) sprain for sure – put him on injured reserve.’ We have to still keep looking, see how the swelling goes.
“He’s
not going to play this week, but it’s maybe not season-ending. That was good news and we have to monitor it and see how it goes in the next week to 10 days. . . .
“Right now, it’s better news than it was Monday night.”
Full story...
msommer
Footballguy
They wouldn't
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
This preety much says it all for me.....
Utecht 29 catches 296 yards
Fletcher 12 for 120 and 2 TD
Utecht 29 catches 296 yards
Fletcher 12 for 120 and 2 TD
msommer
Footballguy
Indeed - Fletcher is Clark's back up, not Utecht.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Utecht ranks 23rd in overall targets
Fletcher ranks 47th.
end of conversation.
Fletcher ranks 47th.
end of conversation.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
I agree reception wise, but it appears in the redzone Fletcher is the man.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
This argument is quite silly! It may prove the point that Utecht has had more targets to this point, but he is playing more than Fletcher. In the 2 TE sets, Utecht is the primary blocking TE. Dallas Clark is the first outlet. If Utecht has no blocking assignment on the play, he then releases as the 5th option, or last checkdown for Manning.When Dallas Clark is out, Fletcher comes in and assumes his role in the offense.Your argument would be the same as a FB in an offense having more rushes than a backup RB. If the RB1 got injured, then his replacement would come in and in your argument, the FB would continue to have more rushes per game than the NEW RB1. This would not be the case!It might help to have some basic understanding of the offense for which you try to take a definitive stance.end of conversation.
I don't find this to be true on the field, just in theory. Manning's been throwing to Utecht in games on some key 3rd downs. He's earned some trust(even if just a little) from Manning. When I get to see the Colts I rarely even see Fletcher. (In General)IMO In the Colts O the TEs get the scraps or leftovers. Harrison and Wayne are clearly first and second options and most often it sems the RB is option 3. There's alot of talent there and one is getting open usually. When they don't, he hits the TE. At that point he's under pressure wanting to get rid of it and....I think the repoire with Utecht will show.Examples-Marcellius Rivers not Shiancoe getting a TD a week years back when Shockey was out of the game. There's been a few brief instances of these "just a TD" TEs in FF like Thomason for the Eagles and some others too. FB, for you, Sellers.We'll see
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think its good news that Clark is not being put on IR at this point but safe to say that this injury is severe enough that he will not likely be able to play for several weeks. Maybe he can get healthy enough to help the Colts in the playoffs but for FF playoffs I don't see him being an option.
Here is the target data for Colts recievers by position this year(one target went to lineman eligable):
Harrison, Marvin (WR) (IND) 96targets 61catches 64% 821yards 5TD 26% of total targets.
Wayne, Reggie (WR) (IND) 94targets 59catches 63% 966yards 8TD 26% of total targets.
52% of Mannings total targets go to Harrison or Wayne.
Clark, Dallas (TE) (IND) 47targets 26catches 55% 311yards 4TD 13% of total targets.
Utecht, Ben (TE) (IND) 36targets 27catches 75% 278yards 1TD 10% of total targets.
Fletcher, Bryan (TE) (IND) 15targets 11catches 73% 102yards 2TD 4% of total targets.
27% of total targets go to the TEs.
Addai, Joseph (RB) (IND) 38targets 29catches 76% 234yards 1TD 10% of total targets.
Rhodes, Dominic (RB) (IND) 26targets 23catches 88% 172yards 0TD 7% of total targets.
17% of total targets go to the Rbs.
Stokley, Brandon (WR) (IND) 6targets 6catches 100% 67yards 1TD 1.6% of total targets.
Moorehead, Aaron (WR) (IND) 6targets 2catches 33% 17yards 0TD 1.6% of total targets.
3.2% of total targets have gone to WR3 or 4.
I think it is possible that Stokley or Phroel might get more targets in 3WR alignments. But it seems pretty clear that the Colts prefer to run 2TE sets that help the running game. So I would expect Fletchers targets to increase while he is filling in for Clark. But I can also see a slight uptick for Utecht's targets due to comfort factor Manning has with him. Also Utecht will be on the field in all formations.
If target distribution stays basicly the same as it has been then I see the TE targets being split evenly at 13% of total targets for Utecht and Fletcher each respectivly. The other 1% going to the Wrs or Rbs.
If more 3 WR sets are employed then we would see more targets to the WRs but it looks pretty clear to me that is not the formation the Colts favor.
13% of total targets = 4.3 targets/game for both of the TEs moving forward if I am right.
Here is the target data for Colts recievers by position this year(one target went to lineman eligable):
Harrison, Marvin (WR) (IND) 96targets 61catches 64% 821yards 5TD 26% of total targets.
Wayne, Reggie (WR) (IND) 94targets 59catches 63% 966yards 8TD 26% of total targets.
52% of Mannings total targets go to Harrison or Wayne.
Clark, Dallas (TE) (IND) 47targets 26catches 55% 311yards 4TD 13% of total targets.
Utecht, Ben (TE) (IND) 36targets 27catches 75% 278yards 1TD 10% of total targets.
Fletcher, Bryan (TE) (IND) 15targets 11catches 73% 102yards 2TD 4% of total targets.
27% of total targets go to the TEs.
Addai, Joseph (RB) (IND) 38targets 29catches 76% 234yards 1TD 10% of total targets.
Rhodes, Dominic (RB) (IND) 26targets 23catches 88% 172yards 0TD 7% of total targets.
17% of total targets go to the Rbs.
Stokley, Brandon (WR) (IND) 6targets 6catches 100% 67yards 1TD 1.6% of total targets.
Moorehead, Aaron (WR) (IND) 6targets 2catches 33% 17yards 0TD 1.6% of total targets.
3.2% of total targets have gone to WR3 or 4.
I think it is possible that Stokley or Phroel might get more targets in 3WR alignments. But it seems pretty clear that the Colts prefer to run 2TE sets that help the running game. So I would expect Fletchers targets to increase while he is filling in for Clark. But I can also see a slight uptick for Utecht's targets due to comfort factor Manning has with him. Also Utecht will be on the field in all formations.
If target distribution stays basicly the same as it has been then I see the TE targets being split evenly at 13% of total targets for Utecht and Fletcher each respectivly. The other 1% going to the Wrs or Rbs.
If more 3 WR sets are employed then we would see more targets to the WRs but it looks pretty clear to me that is not the formation the Colts favor.
13% of total targets = 4.3 targets/game for both of the TEs moving forward if I am right.
wannabee
Footballguy
looks like stokely might play and they signed prohl
pizzatyme
Footballguy
So you agree that it is okay to roll into a conversation and toss out a statistic and say "end of story"?Do statistics ever tell the whole story?Do you think you know the Colts offense better than I do? I've been to 9 of 11 games thus far this season. But, I can see how someone who watches a few games has a better understanding of the offense.This is like saying Peter King knows more about the Colts offense than the Colts beat writer.Gimme a break!
falconeyed
Footballguy
I guess that hit Dallas took in the Madden 2007 commercial was worse than it looked ...
you got alot out of that smilie didn't youSo you agree that it is okay to roll into a conversation and toss out a statistic and say "end of story"?Do statistics ever tell the whole story?Do you think you know the Colts offense better than I do? I've been to 9 of 11 games thus far this season. But, I can see how someone who watches a few games has a better understanding of the offense.This is like saying Peter King knows more about the Colts offense than the Colts beat writer.Gimme a break!
They've been waiting on Stokely and now have Proehl. It doesn't sound so far fetched to me. In the simple way that they signed Proehl for a reason and he's well known for his ability to make the tough catch. Like everyone else, I don't have a clue how or when they'll use him but ya gotta figure he gets some catches even if it's just a couple, don't ya think?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Absolutly.However it is my perception that the Colts prefer the 2 TE alignment because of how it supports the running game as well as still being a versitile formation in the passing game. The Colts used to employ the 2TE set extensivly before 2004 and they have returned to that alignment as a primary formation as a way to help the rookie Rb.As they gain more confidence in Rhodes/Addai picking up blitzers the Colts will diversify thier attack more again using 3 WR sets but I am not sure they have that confidence yet.This is somthing that Edge brought to the offense that allowed them to open up more with 3 WRs because of how good Edge is at picking up the blitz.I am not saying Addai is bad at this either. That is one of his strengths and I think why the Colts chose him. But he is still a rookie and chemistry and communication is somthing that takes time to develop.
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