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Which is a better record? (1 Viewer)

Which record is the best record?

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  • The records are equivalent, let total points be the tiebreaker

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So, its looking possible that my league will have these two teams at each others throats for the last playoff spot. They play each other next week, one team is 6-7 and the other team is 6-5-2.

If the 6-7 team wins, that will put him at 7-7 and the other guy at 6-6-2.

Which record is the better record there? Or, should 6-6-2 be treated as equal to 7-7? If it was the equivalent, then total points would be the tie breaker.

TIA.

 
Hopefully you have "let total points be the tiebreaker" embedded in your league bylaws. If not, you better start praying.

 
In real-life soccer, where ties happen frequently - it makes sense for wins to be worth more than 2 ties - basically it encourages attacking soccer instead of just defensive - and that helps the game.

In fantasy purposes, where teams aren't really playing each other so there's no playing defensive to worry about, and ties are generally rare, 2 ties should be worth 1 win. So I think these are equivalent records, and you should go to the tie-breaker, which it sounds like in your case is total points.

 
You need to do something about those ties. decimal scoring, something. Ties are nothing but trouble. No H2H tiebreak?

In this case, 7 wins is more than 6, so the 7-7 wins out.

 
notoriousbob said:
You need to do something about those ties. decimal scoring, something. Ties are nothing but trouble. No H2H tiebreak?In this case, 7 wins is more than 6, so the 7-7 wins out.
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:no:Do it like the NFL does it ... each tie is the equivalent of 1/2 win and 1/2 loss. So 6-6-2 is identical to 7-7.Those that say "well, 7 wins is more than 6 wins so 7-7 is better", what do you have to say about 7 losses being more (i.e. worse) than 6 losses?
 
dickey moe said:
Hopefully you have "let total points be the tiebreaker" embedded in your league bylaws. If not, you better start praying.
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Oh, its not me, I clinched a playoff berth last weekend.For what its worth, I consider them to be identical records. I'm not sure how the rest of my league is gonna feel about it though.
 
notoriousbob said:
You need to do something about those ties. decimal scoring, something. Ties are nothing but trouble. No H2H tiebreak?In this case, 7 wins is more than 6, so the 7-7 wins out.
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I agree.I actually lost the championship last season on a tie breaker.I wanted to institute fraction scoring but the idea was voted down. For some dumb reason people in my league like ties.
 
It is easy after the fact to make suggestions like "you shouldn't have tie games" during the season, but that does not help you now.

My thoughts are the 7 win team won more games then the other team, so they are the better team. I realize they also lost more, but they did get to 7 wins. No one will ever know if the 6 win team could have gotten to 7 wins, the fact is.... they didn't...... therefore 7 wins should trump 6. The six win team obviously was a couple of points away from being a a 8 win team, but also a couple away from being a 4 win team. The 7 win team took care of business and should get in. Total points are great, but actually winning the games should be worth something.... or else why even play against someone each week.....if you are going to let total points be the end all be all, they don't have a "schedule"....just have the highest scoring teams advance and then start your points over again in the playoffs....

don't know how the %'s work out, but I still think 7 should trump 6 and ties.......

 
I voted 7-7, but then I remembered the NFL rulebook.

Since the NFL rules that ties are ruled as a half win/half loss, 2 ties is the eqivelent of 1 win/1 loss, thus it is the same.

However, fantasy football leagues don't always adopt the same rules having to do with standings.

Too bad I can't change my vote. :wall:

 
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How ties are counted is something that should be dealt with in your rulebook. My league doesnt use fractional scoring, so we do get one or two ties each year, but like the NFL, a ties is considered half a win and half a loss. We also ahve extensive tiebreakers, all the way down to a coinflip, so there is never any ambiguity about who makes the playoffs.

 
bryhamm said:
notoriousbob said:
You need to do something about those ties. decimal scoring, something. Ties are nothing but trouble. No H2H tiebreak?In this case, 7 wins is more than 6, so the 7-7 wins out.
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:no:Do it like the NFL does it ... each tie is the equivalent of 1/2 win and 1/2 loss. So 6-6-2 is identical to 7-7.Those that say "well, 7 wins is more than 6 wins so 7-7 is better", what do you have to say about 7 losses being more (i.e. worse) than 6 losses?
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One word...scoreboardthe world outside of reality TV doesn't usually reward "the best loser"
 
(HULK) said:
notoriousbob said:
You need to do something about those ties. decimal scoring, something. Ties are nothing but trouble. No H2H tiebreak?In this case, 7 wins is more than 6, so the 7-7 wins out.
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I agree.I actually lost the championship last season on a tie breaker.I wanted to institute fraction scoring but the idea was voted down. For some dumb reason people in my league like ties.
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Obviously, mathematically speaking, they are even. The extra win is balanced out by the extra loss.IMO, having won more games would be the tie breaker. 6 wins and 2 ties only means you didn't lose as many.
 
bryhamm said:
so by your logic, 0-0-14 is worse than 1-13? Crazy, I tell ya!
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sure....they won more games......a loss means you didn't win.....a tie means you didn't win....it should be about winning.....not about "not losing"....a ....."I'll take a tie'ers" mentality I tell ya...!
 
Z-Dog said:
How ties are counted is something that should be dealt with in your rulebook. My league doesnt use fractional scoring, so we do get one or two ties each year, but like the NFL, a ties is considered half a win and half a loss. We also ahve extensive tiebreakers, all the way down to a coinflip, so there is never any ambiguity about who makes the playoffs.
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You should replace the coin flip with a 2-out-of-three Rock, Paper Scissors match. :D Three years ago we had two owners drive about forty-five minutes each to meet at a bar halfway between their respective houses to decide a final playoff spot that way. This despite having five other tie-breakers including a common opponent clause that both happened to beat by exactly 30.4 points. I rode with the Commissioner to see the showdown (actually just to drink a lot of beer). I don't think I have ever see as intense a RPS throwdown as that one. We did make the winner by the Jager shots to "celebrate" his playoff spot.
 
If the fact that ties = 1/2 W, 1/2 L wasn't stated up front you have to give the last playoff spot to the 7-7 team.

 
notoriousbob said:
You need to do something about those ties. decimal scoring, something. Ties are nothing but trouble. No H2H tiebreak?In this case, 7 wins is more than 6, so the 7-7 wins out.
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A non-starting player/team should be used for tie-breakers...ties....yuck...they are a pain and this would make your life much easier....
 
Which is better?

7-7-0 = 7*2 + 0 = 14 points

0-0-14 = 0*2 + 14 = 14 points

7-7-0 is better based on Wins...at least that's my opinion...

 
So if I play the "best" team and "worst" team and tie both, I have done worse than the guy who lost to the best team but beat the worst team?

 
Stinkin Ref said:
this is America damn it....it's about winning.....if you don't "win".....you lose
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If you're not first, you're last. - R. BobbyIf the guys in your league like ties and the headache they bring, and you don't have a rule to break such ties... I say make whatever decision you think is right. When anybody #####es (and they will #####), tell them decimal scoring would fix their problem.
 
Magnus_CA said:
If the fact that ties = 1/2 W, 1/2 L wasn't stated up front you have to give the last playoff spot to the 7-7 team.
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If something isn't stated specifically up front, it should revert to the standard (most common) rule as a default.The standard rule is that one tie is equal to half a win and half a loss. So 6-6-2 = 7-7.I can't think of a decent argument for not treating 6-6-2 and 7-7 as being exactly equal.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Magnus_CA said:
If the fact that ties = 1/2 W, 1/2 L wasn't stated up front you have to give the last playoff spot to the 7-7 team.
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If something isn't stated specifically up front, it should revert to the standard (most common) rule as a default.The standard rule is that one tie is equal to half a win and half a loss. So 6-6-2 = 7-7.

I can't think of a decent argument for not treating 6-6-2 and 7-7 as being exactly equal.
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REALLY :goodposting:
 
bryhamm said:
notoriousbob said:
You need to do something about those ties. decimal scoring, something. Ties are nothing but trouble. No H2H tiebreak?In this case, 7 wins is more than 6, so the 7-7 wins out.
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:no:Do it like the NFL does it ... each tie is the equivalent of 1/2 win and 1/2 loss. So 6-6-2 is identical to 7-7.Those that say "well, 7 wins is more than 6 wins so 7-7 is better", what do you have to say about 7 losses being more (i.e. worse) than 6 losses?
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Exactly. Whatever tiebreakers you use for identical records, you use them here.
 
Our rules state that ties count as half a win and half a loss. Then we use win percentage to figure out the standings.

7-7 is .500 win percentage.

6-6-2 is .500 win percentage.

After that it goes to tiebreakers (head to head, division record, and total points scored YTD)

 
LMAO at those that think these are the same record.....

they are not.......no matter what spin you want to put on it....they are not the same record.....

one team won more games then the other.......period

when you play the same amount of games, winning more of them should count for something.........

 
Unless your rules stipulate what will happen, you need to use the tiebreaker. Seems like the only fair way to handle it. Also, in one of my leagues we had a similar situation one year where it wasn't clear who would make the playoffs. It's a big money league, so the 2 owners decided which team to send to the playoffs, everyone agreed and they split the Superbowl prize. Don't know if that would be an option, but something to think about.

 
Stinkin Ref said:
LMAO at those that think these are the same record.....they are not.......no matter what spin you want to put on it....they are not the same record.....one team won more games then the other.......periodwhen you play the same amount of games, winning more of them should count for something.........
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LMAO at those that think these are not the sameone team lost fewer games than the other .... periodwhen you play the same amount of games, losing few should count for something
 
Stinkin Ref said:
LMAO at those that think these are the same record.....they are not.......no matter what spin you want to put on it....they are not the same record.....one team won more games then the other.......periodwhen you play the same amount of games, winning more of them should count for something.........
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Right, but he also LOST more games than the other team. Does that not matter?If a tie is 1/2 win and 1/2 loss, then it is equal.
 
bryhamm said:
Stinkin Ref said:
LMAO at those that think these are the same record.....they are not.......no matter what spin you want to put on it....they are not the same record.....one team won more games then the other.......periodwhen you play the same amount of games, winning more of them should count for something.........
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LMAO at those that think these are not the sameone team lost fewer games than the other .... periodwhen you play the same amount of games, losing few should count for something
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my point is that winning is what matters.......a loss and a tie are basically the same thing thing in this situation......meaning neither of them are a "win"we know that the team with 7 wins got to 7 wins.....I don't think that you should spin it so that a team with 6 wins somehow gets to be treated like they won 7 games........they didn't......this half win, half loss thing is BS......why should a 6 win team get treated like they have 7 wins.......?
 
WJH said:
Stinkin Ref said:
LMAO at those that think these are the same record.....they are not.......no matter what spin you want to put on it....they are not the same record.....one team won more games then the other.......periodwhen you play the same amount of games, winning more of them should count for something.........
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Right, but he also LOST more games than the other team. Does that not matter?If a tie is 1/2 win and 1/2 loss, then it is equal.
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losses and ties in this situation should not matter....it's about winning, not losing......a tie is not a win and should be treated as such.....you should not treat a tie like a win......even a half of a win....as stated, I do not buy the 1/2 win....1/2 loss way of looking at it, I think that is a loser's mentatlity and a way of trying to justify not winning.........
 
Stinkin Ref said:
bryhamm said:
Stinkin Ref said:
LMAO at those that think these are the same record.....they are not.......no matter what spin you want to put on it....they are not the same record.....one team won more games then the other.......periodwhen you play the same amount of games, winning more of them should count for something.........
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LMAO at those that think these are not the sameone team lost fewer games than the other .... periodwhen you play the same amount of games, losing few should count for something
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my point is that winning is what matters.......a loss and a tie are basically the same thing thing in this situation......meaning neither of them are a "win"we know that the team with 7 wins got to 7 wins.....I don't think that you should spin it so that a team with 6 wins somehow gets to be treated like they won 7 games........they didn't......this half win, half loss thing is BS......why should a 6 win team get treated like they have 7 wins.......?
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There are 7 teams "better" than the 7-7 team. However, there are only 6 teams "better" than the 6-6-2 team. Using this "logic" you would say that the 6-6-2 team is better.
 
Stinkin Ref said:
LMAO at those that think these are the same record.....they are not.......no matter what spin you want to put on it....they are not the same record.....one team won more games then the other.......periodwhen you play the same amount of games, winning more of them should count for something.........
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Well so should the "not losing". The records are identical.
 
go back to my earlier statement about 0-0-14 vs 1-13. It should be obvious that 0-0-14 is the perfect example of mediocrity. They are better than no one but also no one is better than them. This screams a .500 club. The 1-13 team is clearly not a .500 team.

Your logic about wins is horrendous.

 
We state in our rules that a tie is 1/2 of a win and 1/2 of a loss so these would be considered identical records. We use head-to-head as the first tiebreaker and then total points scored for the next. If still tied, we use a coin-toss.

 
bryhamm said:
Stinkin Ref said:
bryhamm said:
Stinkin Ref said:
LMAO at those that think these are the same record.....they are not.......no matter what spin you want to put on it....they are not the same record.....one team won more games then the other.......periodwhen you play the same amount of games, winning more of them should count for something.........
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LMAO at those that think these are not the sameone team lost fewer games than the other .... periodwhen you play the same amount of games, losing few should count for something
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my point is that winning is what matters.......a loss and a tie are basically the same thing thing in this situation......meaning neither of them are a "win"we know that the team with 7 wins got to 7 wins.....I don't think that you should spin it so that a team with 6 wins somehow gets to be treated like they won 7 games........they didn't......this half win, half loss thing is BS......why should a 6 win team get treated like they have 7 wins.......?
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There are 7 teams "better" than the 7-7 team. However, there are only 6 teams "better" than the 6-6-2 team. Using this "logic" you would say that the 6-6-2 team is better.
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one team is better then 7 other teams and one team is only better then 6 other teams......using this logic the team that is better then 7 teams is better then the team that is only better then 6 teams......
 
bryhamm said:
go back to my earlier statement about 0-0-14 vs 1-13. It should be obvious that 0-0-14 is the perfect example of mediocrity. They are better than no one but also no one is better than them. This screams a .500 club. The 1-13 team is clearly not a .500 team.Your logic about wins is horrendous.
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please tell me why it is horrendous.....I simply want to give a team credit for winning more then I do for tying.....
 
My league actually did away with ties this year. We seem to have 2, 3 or 4 ties per year while the NFL hasnt had one in like 4 or 5 years, so we decided to get rid of em.

Now we dont have to worry about the argument going on here.

 
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