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Which Head Coaches get whacked or resign? (1 Viewer)

GRIDIRON ASSASSIN

GRIDIRON ASSASSIN

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I think Denny Green is a lock to be a goner.

...and I also think Gruden is really teetering on the edge of the same fate.

I don't know if Al Davis can continue to hire/fire coaches every offseason. It's almost as though Art Shell did him a 'favor' by coming back.

These are the three teams that need to be infused with a new head coach if you ask me.

A darkhorse candidate is Tom Coughlin - but I think they sneak into the playoffs and he keeps his gig. It's amazing how a 'dictator of discipline' can have such an undisciplined team.

With ten new coaches this year, I can't imagine there'll be too much turnover after this season.

 
After the huge number of coaching changes last offseason, I don't think there will be many this year. Even with some teams being unsuccessful this year (Lions, Texans) their coaches wil be given more time.

Green is gone, and I agree Gruden is too. I am buying the talk that Mora is done if they miss the playoffs. I think Crennel will be back, but I wouldn't be shocked if they let him go.

 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
I think Denny Green is a lock to be a goner....and I also think Gruden is really teetering on the edge of the same fate.I don't know if Al Davis can continue to hire/fire coaches every offseason. It's almost as though Art Shell did him a 'favor' by coming back.These are the three teams that need to be infused with a new head coach if you ask me.A darkhorse candidate is Tom Coughlin - but I think they sneak into the playoffs and he keeps his gig. It's amazing how a 'dictator of discipline' can have such an undisciplined team.With ten new coaches this year, I can't imagine there'll be too much turnover after this season.
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:yes: Don't forget about Cowher, although that would be a resignation rather than a firing. Mora?
 
What about Marvin Lewis if the Bengals either don't make or lose the playoff opener (after all of the off-field stuff)?

 
Bill Cowher said he has an "important announcement" for after the season. So yeah, he's leaving.

I just hope the Steelers can pick up a good, young head coach to stay for another 15 years. Perhaps we can get a college coach like Joe Paterno, he seems like he's got a few more centuries left in him.

 
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Xenopax said:
Bill Cowher said he has an "important announcement" for after the season. So yeah, he's leaving.I just hope the Steelers can pick up a good, young head coach to stay for another 15 years. Perhaps we can get a college coach like Joe Paterno, he seems like he's got a few more centuries left in him.
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If Cowher goes the new head coach is going to OC Ken Whisenhunt or offensive line/assistant head coach Russ Grimm.
 
Tecumseh said:
I thought Cowher was a virtual lock to be gone?

Others:

Green

Mora

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Cowher...you heard it here first. :lmao: Saban? I'd be a little surprised if he leaves to go to Alabama. If Atl makes the playoffs I'd be surprised to see Mora leave.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gibbs retire again.

I don't think Marinelli is a good head coach but doubt they'd give up on him after only a year.

Green might go, but his team is playing better lately.

Gruden. :banned: Might be time for a change.

 
Godsbrother said:
Xenopax said:
Bill Cowher said he has an "important announcement" for after the season. So yeah, he's leaving.

I just hope the Steelers can pick up a good, young head coach to stay for another 15 years. Perhaps we can get a college coach like Joe Paterno, he seems like he's got a few more centuries left in him.
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If Cowher goes the new head coach is going to OC Ken Whisenhunt or offensive line/assistant head coach Russ Grimm.
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:banned:
 
3C said:
Tecumseh said:
I thought Cowher was a virtual lock to be gone?

Others:

Green

Mora

Saban
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Cowher...you heard it here first. ;) Saban? I'd be a little surprised if he leaves to go to Alabama. If Atl makes the playoffs I'd be surprised to see Mora leave.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gibbs retire again.

I don't think Marinelli is a good head coach but doubt they'd give up on him after only a year.

Green might go, but his team is playing better lately.

Gruden. :confused: Might be time for a change.
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Have you not been paying attention the last 72 hours?Besides, the ATL is not getting into the playoffs. He's toast.

 
cobalt_27 said:
3C said:
Tecumseh said:
I thought Cowher was a virtual lock to be gone?

Others:

Green

Mora

Saban
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Cowher...you heard it here first. ;) Saban? I'd be a little surprised if he leaves to go to Alabama. If Atl makes the playoffs I'd be surprised to see Mora leave.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gibbs retire again.

I don't think Marinelli is a good head coach but doubt they'd give up on him after only a year.

Green might go, but his team is playing better lately.

Gruden. :confused: Might be time for a change.
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Have you not been paying attention the last 72 hours?Besides, the ATL is not getting into the playoffs. He's toast.
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Hey, he said it was a joke. ;) Obviously, if it was a joke he needs to stick to playcalling. Blank likes him. The players like him. They've been more successful under him than any other coach in recent memory. But if they don't make the playoffs Blank has a reason to give him the boot.
 
3C said:
cobalt_27 said:
3C said:
Tecumseh said:
I thought Cowher was a virtual lock to be gone?

Others:

Green

Mora

Saban
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Cowher...you heard it here first. :cry: Saban? I'd be a little surprised if he leaves to go to Alabama. If Atl makes the playoffs I'd be surprised to see Mora leave.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gibbs retire again.

I don't think Marinelli is a good head coach but doubt they'd give up on him after only a year.

Green might go, but his team is playing better lately.

Gruden. :rolleyes: Might be time for a change.
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Have you not been paying attention the last 72 hours?Besides, the ATL is not getting into the playoffs. He's toast.
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Hey, he said it was a joke. :lmao: Obviously, if it was a joke he needs to stick to playcalling. Blank likes him. The players like him. They've been more successful under him than any other coach in recent memory. But if they don't make the playoffs Blank has a reason to give him the boot.
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Have you even heard the audio? If you have and still accept his story that it was a joke, then you'd be the only person to believe him. There was no joke; he was dead serious.And, Arthur Blank does not like him. Reports all over ATL were saying how utterly furious he was over the comments Mora made.

Mora's done. Playoffs or no. (And, they won't be in the playoffs, so whatever. Mora'll be the D-coordinator in SF next year, not the head coach of the Falcons.)

 
cobalt_27 said:
Have you even heard the audio? If you have and still accept his story that it was a joke, then you'd be the only person to believe him. There was no joke; he was dead serious.

And, Arthur Blank does not like him. Reports all over ATL were saying how utterly furious he was over the comments Mora made.

Mora's done. Playoffs or no. (And, they won't be in the playoffs, so whatever. Mora'll be the D-coordinator in SF next year, not the head coach of the Falcons.)
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Being furious about the comments <> disliking Mora."Blank likes Mora and, barring a total collapse or loss of internal control, probably won't dismiss him." link

Mind you, that was before the "interview".

 
cobalt_27 said:
Safe money's on Mora Jr. He absolutely decapitated himself this week.
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Ya Mora did slip the noose over his neck this past week. "The Great" Mike Vick pulling himself out of the game on Saturday - and the injuries on defense give him an excuse.If Gruden gets whacked - maybe they whack Mora - and then Gruden can be reunited with Atlanta Falcons President/GM Rich McKay.Thank goodness the Bears didn't have a legit shot at Mora Jr. or Saban. They'd best give a lofty raise to Lovie Smith - a good NFL Head Coach is hard to come by. Smith's handling of Grossman leading up to the Monday Night Game coupled with his handling of Tank Johnson's saga has given me a lot of faith in the guy.
 
Godsbrother said:
Xenopax said:
Bill Cowher said he has an "important announcement" for after the season. So yeah, he's leaving.I just hope the Steelers can pick up a good, young head coach to stay for another 15 years. Perhaps we can get a college coach like Joe Paterno, he seems like he's got a few more centuries left in him.
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If Cowher goes the new head coach is going to OC Ken Whisenhunt or offensive line/assistant head coach Russ Grimm.
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Will Russ Grimm thank "Dan Clooney" at his press conference like he thanked the "McClaskey Family" for the opportunity to interview for the Bears Head Coaching job?
 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
cobalt_27 said:
Safe money's on Mora Jr. He absolutely decapitated himself this week.
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Ya Mora did slip the noose over his neck this past week. "The Great" Mike Vick pulling himself out of the game on Saturday - and the injuries on defense give him an excuse.If Gruden gets whacked - maybe they whack Mora - and then Gruden can be reunited with Atlanta Falcons President/GM Rich McKay.Thank goodness the Bears didn't have a legit shot at Mora Jr. or Saban. They'd best give a lofty raise to Lovie Smith - a good NFL Head Coach is hard to come by. Smith's handling of Grossman leading up to the Monday Night Game coupled with his handling of Tank Johnson's saga has given me a lot of faith in the guy.
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy that Smith is the lowest paid head coach.
 
3C said:
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
cobalt_27 said:
Safe money's on Mora Jr. He absolutely decapitated himself this week.
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Ya Mora did slip the noose over his neck this past week. "The Great" Mike Vick pulling himself out of the game on Saturday - and the injuries on defense give him an excuse.If Gruden gets whacked - maybe they whack Mora - and then Gruden can be reunited with Atlanta Falcons President/GM Rich McKay.Thank goodness the Bears didn't have a legit shot at Mora Jr. or Saban. They'd best give a lofty raise to Lovie Smith - a good NFL Head Coach is hard to come by. Smith's handling of Grossman leading up to the Monday Night Game coupled with his handling of Tank Johnson's saga has given me a lot of faith in the guy.
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Yeah, it's pretty crazy that Smith is the lowest paid head coach.
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...and lower paid than both coordinators in Washington.That's OK, he'll get his coin, or somebody else will be more than happy to pay him. If the McCaskeys cry poor - there's gonna be hell to pay.They always go cheap on the coaches. They've never hired a Head Coach with NFL Head Coaching experience.
 
I can't possibly see any way Romeo Crennel gets another year.

Let me put it this way. The radio flagship of the Browns is WTAM 1100. Now, their media guys, due to conflict of interest, naturally tend to spin things in a positive light. For example, they largely defended Butch Davis right up until the end.

Well, the media guys at WTAM have basically written Romeo off.

He's done.

 
Mora is gone.

Gruden I think will might be given another year.

Fisher is staying put.

Green is out.

Shell will be around for another year.

Coughlin I hope and pray is gone - he has earned it.

Crennel gets another year.

Cowher will retire.

Also there is no way Gruden goes to Atlanta - I can't image a worse QB for Gruden's WC offense.

 
not sure if grid was kidding or not, but gruden and mckay hate each other -- exactly 0% chance of him ever going to atlanta.

fwiw, I think he'll get another year, although his decision to keep gradkowski in over rattay all year looks just awful now.

 
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cobalt_27 said:
3C said:
cobalt_27 said:
3C said:
Tecumseh said:
I thought Cowher was a virtual lock to be gone?

Others:

Green

Mora

Saban
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Cowher...you heard it here first. :yes: Saban? I'd be a little surprised if he leaves to go to Alabama. If Atl makes the playoffs I'd be surprised to see Mora leave.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Gibbs retire again.

I don't think Marinelli is a good head coach but doubt they'd give up on him after only a year.

Green might go, but his team is playing better lately.

Gruden. ;) Might be time for a change.
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Have you not been paying attention the last 72 hours?Besides, the ATL is not getting into the playoffs. He's toast.
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Hey, he said it was a joke. :D Obviously, if it was a joke he needs to stick to playcalling. Blank likes him. The players like him. They've been more successful under him than any other coach in recent memory. But if they don't make the playoffs Blank has a reason to give him the boot.
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Mora's done. Playoffs or no. (And, they won't be in the playoffs, so whatever. Mora'll be the D-coordinator in SF next year, not the head coach of the Falcons.)
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I have trouble believing this is true... link?
 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Yankee23Fan said:
perry147 said:
Coughlin I hope and pray is gone - he has earned it.
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;) :D :yes:
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Speaking as a non-Giants fan. I love watching Coughlin's sideline demeanor. Talk about wearing your emotions on your sleeve. I find him wilding entertaining. He needs to be retained.
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No kidding. He's got Little League Parent Syndrome x 1000. :lmao: :thumbup: :eek: :jawdrop: :hot: :wall: :rant: :censored: :cry: = typical 30 seconds with Couglin on the sidelines.
 
My picks:

Cowher (retires)

Green (new stadium, explosive offensive stars. They will bring in some hotsot offensive mind to lead this team. Even if they lose, the expectation is to score a lot of points and have an exciting product.)

Mora (Blank expects to win and after starting hot, this team has faded miserably. Mora's foot in the mouth routine adds to the firing).

Gruden (Team had been going the wrong way for a long time. Not all his fault, but he will be a scapegoat firing. He has skills and will land somewhere else.)

Coughlin (He has lost control of this team. I will be shocked if he comes back).

Shell (70s playbook isn't cutting it. Team still has no discipline).

 
Coughlin ( fired )

Cowher ( maybe retire )

Saban ( stays )

Mora ( resigns )

Shell ( might quit lol )

Green ( on the fence )

 
Acouple of snips from Len P.'s latest "heard from the press box".

"Atlanta owner Arthur Blank, having reviewed tape of Jim Mora's appearance last Thursday on a Seattle-area radio station, isn't buying his coach's excuse that he was only joking with the co-hosts. Isn't buying it at all. A guy who is big on image, Blank believes Mora's latest misstep doesn't sit well with the fans. Mora has definitely reduced his margin of error to zero. Not so much in terms of wins and losses, or even making the playoffs, but in how he conducts himself. Like the little boy who cried "Wolf!" too often, Mora has been forced to apologize to the fans and to the guy who signs his paycheck way too many times now. Blank is weary of hearing "I'm sorry" all the time and Mora is on a short leash. Even if Mora survives, he has exhausted his political capital with his boss and won't be able to rebuff any suggestions about staffing changes. Blank wanted to shake up the staff after the 2005 season, but Mora was able to change his mind. Mora doesn't have any clout left over now to save some assistants if Blank wants them dismissed."

"The agent for Pittsburgh coach Bill Cowher has been phoning Steelers' ownership a lot in recent days. But the Rooney family isn't likely to commit to an extension for Cowher, who is under contract through 2007, until they sense more commitment from him."

hmm. Maybe Cowher might stay afterall. Why else would the agent be calling? To work out a settlement?

 
Mora and Green seem to be the safest bets to be canned.

If the Giants miss the playoffs, Coughlin is likely gone, too. He's pretty much worn out his welcome with both his players and the media.

 
3C said:
Acouple of snips from Len P.'s latest "heard from the press box"."The agent for Pittsburgh coach Bill Cowher has been phoning Steelers' ownership a lot in recent days. But the Rooney family isn't likely to commit to an extension for Cowher, who is under contract through 2007, until they sense more commitment from him."hmm. Maybe Cowher might stay afterall. Why else would the agent be calling? To work out a settlement?
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There has been speculation in Pittsburgh that Cowher wants to remain with the Steelers but wants a big $$$ contract ($6 - $8 million/year). Supposedly Cowher's decision not to extend his contract last offseason (as he had with every other contract approaching it's final year) was a negotiating tactic in and effort to get the Rooney's to shell out the big bucks.If they don't then Cowher may retire or he may decide to fulfill the final year on his contract with the Steelers so he is free and clear to deal with another team later. The interesting thing is the Steelers may not want Cowher back next season if he won't agree to an extension because they are afraid of losing OC Ken Whisenhunt (and possibly Russ Grimm) to another team.Definitely an interesting situation...
 
Godsbrother said:
3C said:
Acouple of snips from Len P.'s latest "heard from the press box"."The agent for Pittsburgh coach Bill Cowher has been phoning Steelers' ownership a lot in recent days. But the Rooney family isn't likely to commit to an extension for Cowher, who is under contract through 2007, until they sense more commitment from him."hmm. Maybe Cowher might stay afterall. Why else would the agent be calling? To work out a settlement?
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There has been speculation in Pittsburgh that Cowher wants to remain with the Steelers but wants a big $$$ contract ($6 - $8 million/year). Supposedly Cowher's decision not to extend his contract last offseason (as he had with every other contract approaching it's final year) was a negotiating tactic in and effort to get the Rooney's to shell out the big bucks.If they don't then Cowher may retire or he may decide to fulfill the final year on his contract with the Steelers so he is free and clear to deal with another team later. The interesting thing is the Steelers may not want Cowher back next season if he won't agree to an extension because they are afraid of losing OC Ken Whisenhunt (and possibly Russ Grimm) to another team.Definitely an interesting situation...
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I can't see Rooney paying that much, but hope they can come to an agreement. You never know what you're going to get with a replacement. Some guys are great coordinators but fail as a head coach (Norv Turner). If Cowher leaves, I hope it's because he's tired/wants to spend more time with family and Whisenhunt gets the job. But I hope he doesn't leave due to a money squabble.
 
David Dodds said:
My picks:Cowher (retires)Green (new stadium, explosive offensive stars. They will bring in some hotsot offensive mind to lead this team. Even if they lose, the expectation is to score a lot of points and have an exciting product.)Mora (Blank expects to win and after starting hot, this team has faded miserably. Mora's foot in the mouth routine adds to the firing).Gruden (Team had been going the wrong way for a long time. Not all his fault, but he will be a scapegoat firing. He has skills and will land somewhere else.) Coughlin (He has lost control of this team. I will be shocked if he comes back).Shell (70s playbook isn't cutting it. Team still has no discipline).
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Good list here. I would Love to see Gruden end up in 'Zona (and I'm not even a fan of the team). I agree that the failures aren't all his fault and a firing won't "cost him a year".
 
Any chance that Fox is gone after a disappointing season in Carolina?

I don't know anything about the situation there and it seems like it would be unlikely, but he's the only other guy who hasn't been mentioned here who could even have a chance as I look at the standings.

 
Ty Webb said:
Any chance that Fox is gone after a disappointing season in Carolina?I don't know anything about the situation there and it seems like it would be unlikely, but he's the only other guy who hasn't been mentioned here who could even have a chance as I look at the standings.
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I wouldn't think so. He's a very good head coach. QB play has been the biggest problem this year.
 
3C said:
Riffraff said:
Jeff Fisher will not be on the market.
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Agreed. Sure looked like he'd be let go a couple of months ago though.
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There is more to the Jeff Fisher issue than his win/loss record though, he and ownership/management don't see eye to eye (from what was reported this off-season anyway) and Fisher may end up gone for that reason more so than a lack of performance. That being said if Fischer hits the open market he would be off it in about 15 minutes.
 
I posted this in the Browns thread, but it makes sense here as well. It's a Cleveland Plain Dealer columnist's view on firing Crennel. Of course, it was written last week, so like many his view may have changed after watching the Browns wrap up a winless season in their division.

Have higher desire than fire-then-hire

Have higher desire than fire-then-hire

Browns stuck in cycle of untried coaches, so keep Crennel, but keep eye on Cowher

Tuesday, December 12, 2006

Bud Shaw

Plain Dealer Columnist

No more training wheels. No more learner's per mits.

It's not enough to say Romeo must go. That's not the answer. It's not even an answer.

Firings are only answers when followed by the right hire. So who's it going to be?

If it's Jeff Fisher, you have my attention.

If it's Bill Cowher, my full attention.

If it's change for the express purpose of bringing in another untried head coach in need of on-the-job training, don't bother. We've seen that movie before, no?

Coach meets town. Town falls in love. Heartache ensues.

Nobody should want that, not two seasons after the most recent coaching change. You've had a front-row seat at that parade for how long now?

When exactly did Cleveland become the proving ground for coaches? We're not excluding the Cavaliers or Indians here. But the Browns' list contains one head coach with previous NFL experience: Nick Skorich, who had mixed results.

Obviously, experience in the job didn't count for much in his case. There's no airtight process for finding a successful head coach, which is why replacing Crennel requires a lot more study and planning than does dismissing him.

Unless Randy Lerner has a better idea -- and evidence of that isn't exactly teeming -- Crennel should start next season, his third, as head coach.

It's not about fairness. It's about practicality.

The Browns have spent two drafts picking players to fit the 3-4. It makes sense to give Crennel and GM Phil Savage another year of working in tandem. Would the next coach run a 3-4?

Well, he might if his name were Cowher, but hold off on that. There's no guarantee he'd be available or that he'd come to Cleveland. Cowher is a separate but tantalizing issue.

The Browns know Crennel's shortcomings now. Or should. When General Manager Phil Savage extols his head coach as a man so well-respected around the league, that sounds good. It just isn't pertinent.

Crennel's coordinator work is what garnered accolades.

Crennel should know his faults, too. It shouldn't be a point of contention by him if Savage and Lerner insist he get tougher with the loose cannons on his team and apply himself more as a problem-fixer.

Lerner could do worse than keep one eye on that and the other on Pittsburgh. With Cowher uncommitted after next season and with speculation that he might sit out 2007 to recharge his engines after 15 years as head coach, why not start next season with Crennel and see where fate takes all of them?

Whereas good cops have followed bad cops in coaching hires, and offensive minds have replaced defensive philosophers (and vice versa), the proven head coach never seems to get the call in Cleveland after the first-time head coach gets sent to the gallows. That's paramount this time.

Crennel could make that a moot point if he's capable of becoming more forceful as a head coach, but how many people really change, especially at his age? If he can't, he'll take his place in a line of tryin'-one hires.

The Browns thought they found the right combination of head coach personality and NFL experience in Butch Davis (and the antidote to Chris Palmer's approach). Then Crennel was supposed to be the change of pace to Davis.

Here's an idea. If this doesn't work, how about a proven NFL commodity?

Crazy, I know.

To reach Bud Shaw:

bshaw@plaind.com, 216-999-5639
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