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*** Official Eagles have NO CHANCE in New Orleans thread *** (1 Viewer)

JaxBill

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- The Eagles lost to the Saints when they had McNabb, how are they going to beat them with Garcia?

- Saints have a huge rest advantage with 14 days off versus the Eagles coming off of a short week.

- Lito Sheppard's elbow is a potential devastating injury for a secondary that has to cover Horn and Colston (not to mention henderson).

- After watching Tiki yesterday. how will the Eagles stop Bush and McAllister?

- The Saints are the sentimental favorites and the conspiracy theorists will say that they'll get all of the breaks.

 
I think you are under-estimating a playoff team here. The Eagles have been hot, Garcia has not turned the ball over and Westbrook is running the ball well. The Eagles played a little too much bend and don't break D yesterday and I agree that the Saints offense is a little too scary for their D.

I could see Deuce chalking up 100+ yds and Bush doing well out of the backfield as well. Not to mention those WRs beating Philly on some deep routes.

That being said... Go Saints!

 
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It is amazing how many of these "Team X has NO CHANCE against Team Y" end up being wrong. I like the Saints in this game as well but they lost TWICE to Carolina and Carolina was awful this season.

They could certainly lose to the Eagles...

 
The loss of Lito Sheppard is huge. With him in the game, Philly has a top defense. Without him, they're a sieve.

 
JaxBill said:
- The Eagles lost to the Saints when they had McNabb, how are they going to beat them with Garcia?- Saints have a huge rest advantage with 14 days off versus the Eagles coming off of a short week.- Lito Sheppard's elbow is a potential devastating injury for a secondary that has to cover Horn and Colston (not to mention henderson).- After watching Tiki yesterday. how will the Eagles stop Bush and McAllister?- The Saints are the sentimental favorites and the conspiracy theorists will say that they'll get all of the breaks.
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Some of your points just don't make any sense. 1. You question whether or not the Eagles can beat the Saints because they don't have McNabb. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the Eagles (as a whole) are playing A LOT better now WITHOUT McNabb. I'm not saying Garcia is better than McNabb, but the team is playing better now and saying that they will lose because McNabb isn't playing is just bad thinking.2. Yeah, the Saints have a long rest period and the record for teams with a bye favors the Saints. That being said, I feel like the Eagles are hot and the short week shouldn't affect them too much. Beside Lito, no no one got too banged up and they should be ready to go on Saturday.3. Yes, losing Lito hurts but he's not completey ruled out for Saturday just yet. However, Dawkins has been playing well lately and one player doesn't make a whole defense. The whole defense has been playing 10 times better than in the first meeting with New Orleans.4. Tiki wasn't as effective in the 2nd half as he was in the first. Also, he's a Pro Bowler and he's expected to have some good games. How will New Orleans stop Brian Westbrook? ;) 5. I don't believe in this. I don't see the game being called unfairly one way or another.
 
If you remember the energy-level in the Superdome for the Atlanta game, you'll remember that it was almost like a physical force against the Falcons.

The Superdome is going to be crazy on Saturday night.

The Eagles only chance is the leave the first quarter without too much damage being done. If they can somehow withstand the initial Saint onslaught, they can certainly compete with them. Hell, they played down their earlier in the year and the stats were almost identical. It took a last second field goal for teh Saints to win.

The Eagles are a much better team right now. The loss of McNabb seems to have everyone else stepping up a bit and their defense suddenly looks like it remembers how to play.

As an Eagles fan, I can't pick against them. I'm counting on them to weather the first quarter storm and end up winning 27-24.

I sure wish they were playing Chicago, though.

 
eoMMan said:
JaxBill said:
- The Eagles lost to the Saints when they had McNabb, how are they going to beat them with Garcia?- Saints have a huge rest advantage with 14 days off versus the Eagles coming off of a short week.- Lito Sheppard's elbow is a potential devastating injury for a secondary that has to cover Horn and Colston (not to mention henderson).- After watching Tiki yesterday. how will the Eagles stop Bush and McAllister?- The Saints are the sentimental favorites and the conspiracy theorists will say that they'll get all of the breaks.
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Some of your points just don't make any sense. 1. You question whether or not the Eagles can beat the Saints because they don't have McNabb. Well, I hate to break it to you, but the Eagles (as a whole) are playing A LOT better now WITHOUT McNabb. I'm not saying Garcia is better than McNabb, but the team is playing better now and saying that they will lose because McNabb isn't playing is just bad thinking.2. Yeah, the Saints have a long rest period and the record for teams with a bye favors the Saints. That being said, I feel like the Eagles are hot and the short week shouldn't affect them too much. Beside Lito, no no one got too banged up and they should be ready to go on Saturday.3. Yes, losing Lito hurts but he's not completey ruled out for Saturday just yet. However, Dawkins has been playing well lately and one player doesn't make a whole defense. The whole defense has been playing 10 times better than in the first meeting with New Orleans.4. Tiki wasn't as effective in the 2nd half as he was in the first. Also, he's a Pro Bowler and he's expected to have some good games. How will New Orleans stop Brian Westbrook? ;) 5. I don't believe in this. I don't see the game being called unfairly one way or another.
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As I posted in the other thread, I think the "Eagles are hot" argument isn't a good one if you dig into their win streak. Four of their 6 wins are against teams that the Saints beat by a larger margin. In fact, the Saints beat each of those 4 teams by 20 or more. Two of the wins are against teams that beat the Saints by 6 points or less (Washington and Carolina if you exclude the last game of the season against Carolina when the Saints played their second string). The Eagles win streak was against Atlanta, the Giants (twice), Carolina, Washington and Dallas. The Giants, Dallas and Atlanta were all in tailspins and Washington and Carolina had losing records. As far as the Eagles D, the Saints' D has actually allowed 6 fewer points this season than the Eagles. Furthermore, if you look at the Eagles' 6-game winning streak you'll see that the Saints allowed fewer points to 5 out of those 6 teams. That said, Andy Reid has the playoff experience and I wouldn't discount that. Also, I'm not sure that the long layoff doesn't hurt the Saints. Their starters haven't played an entire game in 3 weeks.
 
Godsbrother said:
It is amazing how many of these "Team X has NO CHANCE against Team Y" end up being wrong. I like the Saints in this game as well but they lost TWICE to Carolina and Carolina was awful this season. They could certainly lose to the Eagles...
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As the post above this states, Saints played the second string in Week 17. Westbrook has steped up, and the Saints have been giving up a lot in the running game. However, the Saints do get Hollis Thomas back from his asthma suspension. The dome will be nuts on Saturday, and the Saints is favored to win, but I would much rather be playing Seattle.
 
The Eagles win streak was against Atlanta, the Giants (twice), Carolina, Washington and Dallas. The Giants, Dallas and Atlanta were all in tailspins and Washington and Carolina had losing records.
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Dallas had won 5 out of their last 6 going into the Christmas Day game vs. Philly. I wouldn't call that a tailspin.When the Eagles played Carolina they had won 6 of their last 9 and had a winning record at the time. This was a huge game where the outcome basically sealed the fate of the losing team. Same thing with the Giants game. Both teams were 7-6 and the outcome of that game set the tone for the rest of the season.Washington stunk all year.Atlanta game was meaningless.Plus the fact that the Eagles had to go on the road for all three division games where they went 3-0 is extremely difficult. To try and diminish that is really not doing justice to how well the Eagles are playing right now.
 
;)

To say the Eagles have NO shot against anyone in the NFC is pretty ridiculous. A win by the Eagles is possible, though certainly will be tough.

 
Snotbubbles said:
The Eagles win streak was against Atlanta, the Giants (twice), Carolina, Washington and Dallas. The Giants, Dallas and Atlanta were all in tailspins and Washington and Carolina had losing records.
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Dallas had won 5 out of their last 6 going into the Christmas Day game vs. Philly. I wouldn't call that a tailspin.When the Eagles played Carolina they had won 6 of their last 9 and had a winning record at the time. This was a huge game where the outcome basically sealed the fate of the losing team. Same thing with the Giants game. Both teams were 7-6 and the outcome of that game set the tone for the rest of the season.Washington stunk all year.Atlanta game was meaningless.Plus the fact that the Eagles had to go on the road for all three division games where they went 3-0 is extremely difficult. To try and diminish that is really not doing justice to how well the Eagles are playing right now.
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Dallas lost 3 of their last 4 games. That's a tailspin. The one loss that you cited before the Christmas game was to the Saints 42-17 (that would have been 49-17 had the Saints not started kneeling the ball at the Dallas 5 yard line with 3 minutes left. The Saints played the game in Dallas as well. Carolina has played inconsitently all year. Atlanta finished out 2-6. Still your second string beat them. :thumbup: Philly beat the Giants twice. Once by 14 (in NY) and once (yesterday) by 3 (in Philly). The Saints beat the Giants by 23 also in NY. I'm not diminishing the winning streak as much as pointing out that the Saints beat 4 of those 6 teams by 20+ points and the Saints' D allowed fewer points to 5 of the 6 opponents. I think it's important to point that out since the pro-Philly crowd is basing much of their support on the winning streak and the Philly D relative to the Saints' D. The things that scare me the most are Andy Reid's playoff experience, Westbrook and the Saints' long layoff. Still, we get Horn and Hollis Thomas back and gave an extra two weeks recovery time to Colston.
 
JaxBill said:
- The Eagles lost to the Saints when they had McNabb, how are they going to beat them with Garcia?- Saints have a huge rest advantage with 14 days off versus the Eagles coming off of a short week.- Lito Sheppard's elbow is a potential devastating injury for a secondary that has to cover Horn and Colston (not to mention henderson).- After watching Tiki yesterday. how will the Eagles stop Bush and McAllister?- The Saints are the sentimental favorites and the conspiracy theorists will say that they'll get all of the breaks.
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To continue the "sentiment"....- The Saints are the media darling, so everyone going with :goodposting: says the refs will favor the Saints.- Pickle juice will be in short supply in New Orleans.
 
Godsbrother said:
I like the Saints in this game as well but they lost TWICE to Carolina and Carolina was awful this season.
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Well, to be fair, in the season finale against Carolina, the already-clinched Saints treated it as a pre-season game. Deuce didn't suit up, Brees played a series, the veteran O-Line starters got a pass, etc.
 
The Saints will also have Hollis Thomas back and I'm sure he'll be up for the game against his old team.

 
This is one of those reverse jinx things, right?

Hollis Thomas returning is going to be a huge lift to the run defense. The extra time to prepare greatly benefits the disciplined style of Payton and Brees. The crowd is going to be out of control, including those of us rooting from Wisconsin.

On any given Sunday, any team has a punchers chance.

 
Statorama said:
This is one of those reverse jinx things, right?Hollis Thomas returning is going to be a huge lift to the run defense. The extra time to prepare greatly benefits the disciplined style of Payton and Brees. The crowd is going to be out of control, including those of us rooting from Wisconsin.On any given Sunday, any team has a punchers chance.
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:lmao: The Saints have to be considered the favorite, but the Eagles are an NFL playoff team. They certainly have a chance to beat the Saints.If the Saints play like they played against the Giants and Cowboys, however, the Eagles are going down. If both teams play their best game, the Saints win.
 
JaxBill said:
- The Eagles lost to the Saints when they had McNabb, how are they going to beat them with Garcia?- Saints have a huge rest advantage with 14 days off versus the Eagles coming off of a short week.- Lito Sheppard's elbow is a potential devastating injury for a secondary that has to cover Horn and Colston (not to mention henderson).- After watching Tiki yesterday. how will the Eagles stop Bush and McAllister?- The Saints are the sentimental favorites and the conspiracy theorists will say that they'll get all of the breaks.
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"Mark it down" down? :own3d:
 
Dallas lost 3 of their last 4 games. That's a tailspin. The one loss that you cited before the Christmas game was to the Saints 42-17 (that would have been 49-17 had the Saints not started kneeling the ball at the Dallas 5 yard line with 3 minutes left. The Saints played the game in Dallas as well. Carolina has played inconsitently all year. Atlanta finished out 2-6. Still your second string beat them. Philly beat the Giants twice. Once by 14 (in NY) and once (yesterday) by 3 (in Philly). The Saints beat the Giants by 23 also in NY. I'm not diminishing the winning streak as much as pointing out that the Saints beat 4 of those 6 teams by 20+ points and the Saints' D allowed fewer points to 5 of the 6 opponents. I think it's important to point that out since the pro-Philly crowd is basing much of their support on the winning streak and the Philly D relative to the Saints' D. The things that scare me the most are Andy Reid's playoff experience, Westbrook and the Saints' long layoff. Still, we get Horn and Hollis Thomas back and gave an extra two weeks recovery time to Colston.
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You're not putting the games in perspective. If you want to play that game then NO is on a tail-spin right now. They've lost 2 of their last 3. Both losses coming to teams with losing records.
 
scratcher said:
abrecher said:
The loss of Lito Sheppard is huge. With him in the game, Philly has a top defense. Without him, they're a sieve.
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The Eagles were 3-1 without him in the beginning of the season. It's a huge blow but not a make or break for the defense
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The loss to the Giants (in particular, that final pass to Burress) probably would not have happened without Sheppard's injury. The Eagles then give up 24 points to San Fran, who topped that number just three times this season. I'll give you the GB and Dallas wins, but GB was still a very bad team at that point, and in the three wins, the Eagles scored 38, 31, and 38 points.
 
JaxBill said:
Since 1990, when the NFL's 12-team postseason format was established, clubs with a first-round bye have logged a sterling 51-13 (.797) record in divisional playoff games.
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Of that 51-13 total, the NFC is 28-4. Plus, in the past 10 years, five teams have won on Wild Card Sunday, and then had to play on Divisional Saturday. All five lost.But in the end, those are just stats. To say Philly has no chance is folly. Certainly Westbrook will be able to run the ball on the Saints, and I think they'll be able to put up some points. To me, it really comes down to how the Saints handle the Eagle defensive pressure. If Brees can take care of the ball, I'm confident.
 
Demian said:
I'm just saying Stallworth didn't play in the regular season meeting...
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You sure he still will play? Just smelling the New Orleans air might cause him to tweak his hamstring again. But I guess te same could be said about Horn.
 
We shouldn't even be wasting keystrokes debating this matchup.... we should instead be discussing who the Saints will play in the championship game...

Going to be a BREES for NO :confused:

 
I'd be interested in seeing the W-L stats of teams with virtually no previous playoff experiance in the playoffs. I think you'll find that teams with so little experiance generally have a VERY difficult time.

New Orleans will have the croud, and the emotion, but they will also have butterflies the size of turkey buzzards flying around their guts.

The teams are, in my mind, very even...so which wins out, the home field advantage of the Saints or the playoff experiance and calm demeanor of the Eagles?

My money is on the Eagles, but I'll quickly admit it isn't a very confidant bet.

AS impressive as the Saints have been, remember the Eagles played them very tough at a time when the Saints were red-hot and the Eagles defense was struggling mightily.

:popcorn:

 
ONe more thing, the winner of this game will almost certainly represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. The Seahawks don't deserve to be here, and Chicago has been the most under-whelimng 14-2 team I can remember ever seeing.

 
Statorama said:
This is one of those reverse jinx things, right?

Hollis Thomas returning is going to be a huge lift to the run defense. The extra time to prepare greatly benefits the disciplined style of Payton and Brees. The crowd is going to be out of control, including those of us rooting from Wisconsin.

On any given Sunday, any team has a punchers chance.
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But on any given Saturday, the Eagles have "no chance".
 
renesauz said:
... remember the Eagles played them very tough at a time when the Saints were red-hot and the Eagles defense was struggling mightily. :goodposting:
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Both teams were 4-1 at the time, but all the pre-game talk revolved around how the Saints had not beaten anyone, McNabb was on a record-setting pace for passing yards and the Saints had no chance because McNabb was going to tear the NO defense apart, blah blah blah blah. :(
 
Lehigh98 said:
JaxBill said:
- The Eagles lost to the Saints when they had McNabb, how are they going to beat them with Garcia?
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How will we live without McNabb's monster numbers in that game?...D. McNabb 19/32 247 2 TD's 1 INT
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I gotta think you'd sign on the dotted line for those digits out of JGar.No Lito will be too much to overcome, but I think the Iggles will play them close, 24-20 Aints, who will HOST Seattle!
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
Statorama said:
This is one of those reverse jinx things, right?

Hollis Thomas returning is going to be a huge lift to the run defense. The extra time to prepare greatly benefits the disciplined style of Payton and Brees. The crowd is going to be out of control, including those of us rooting from Wisconsin.

On any given Sunday, any team has a punchers chance.
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But on any given Saturday, the Eagles have "no chance".
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After McNabb went down and Philadelphia got spanked by Indy, I didn't think the Eagles would even get this far. The 6-0 run has been amazing, but I must concur that it is coming to an end this Saturday. The Eagles have NO CHANCE against this team. NONE whatsoever....edit for spelling

 
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guderian said:
As I posted in the other thread, I think the "Eagles are hot" argument isn't a good one if you dig into their win streak. Four of their 6 wins are against teams that the Saints beat by a larger margin.
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i think these types of arguments do not hold any merit because most of those games for the eagles were against division rivals and division games are a different ballgame.
 
renesauz said:
I'd be interested in seeing the W-L stats of teams with virtually no previous playoff experiance in the playoffs. I think you'll find that teams with so little experiance generally have a VERY difficult time.New Orleans will have the croud, and the emotion, but they will also have butterflies the size of turkey buzzards flying around their guts.The teams are, in my mind, very even...so which wins out, the home field advantage of the Saints or the playoff experiance and calm demeanor of the Eagles?My money is on the Eagles, but I'll quickly admit it isn't a very confidant bet.AS impressive as the Saints have been, remember the Eagles played them very tough at a time when the Saints were red-hot and the Eagles defense was struggling mightily. :goodposting:
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The Eagles were "red hot" when they first played the Saints and few gave the Saints any shot at beating them because "they hadn't played anybody. As far as "butterflies", the Saints have turned over much of their roster and there are quite a few players with playoff experience, including at least a couple former Eagles. I'll give Philly the edge in playoff experience by far, but this Saints team is quite mentally tough after dealing with their circumstances of the past two years.
 
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