New York Jets 2007 Offseason (1 Viewer)

First off, I'd like to start by saying the Jets had a great season. Mangini has put the team in the right mindset and he and Mike Tanenbaum have shown us that they are shrewd drafters. Now on to our needs.

1. Cornerback: Cornerback was the weakest link on an up and down defense the entire year. David Barret is alright, Justin Miller cannot cover well (a la Devin hester) and Hank Poteat is a free agent. I say we address our biggest need and draft a cornerback 1st round to go with Andre Dyson. I would love to get Tye Hill at pick #25, but he might not fall that far. If Hill doesn't fall that far, the Jets should do whatever it takes to sign either Nate Clements or Asante Samuel. The way the Patriots spend, there is no way they will be able to keep Asante, the market for him is just too high. Backup plans in case we don't get one of those three players Jason David or Nick Harper, two solid young cornerbacks.

2. Running Back: Kevan Barlow is gone, we all know that. I like Leon Washington and Cedric Houston but I just don't see them being #1 running backs in this league. There is one guy the Jets need to get. Michael Turner. The dude is an animal. But honestly, I think San Diego is somehow going to be able to keep him. The Jets should try to trade for Ladell Betts because I really like him too. Turner and Betts should be up top on the Jets' wish list. Another possible scenario involves moving up in the draft. If the Jets have an opportuniy in April to trade up and grab Marshawn Lynch, they should pull the trigger. He is a stud. Outside of these three guys, the crop of running backs is thin. I'm not high on Ahman Green because of injuries, age and fumbling issues, and Chris Brown just doesn't appeal to me either.

3. #3/#4 Wide Receiver: I hate to break it to all of you, but I have watched every Jets game and Justin McCaerins sucks. He simply doesn't try, he's out of shape and he drops balls. There is a reason why Cotch passed him on the depth chart this year. Brad Smith is a solid player, but he's more of a novelty than a solid NFL receiver. I'm also worried about Lavern's injuries. Every week he seems to have one and he's pretty shaky in terms of his relationship with Mangini. I'm not saying it's going to be a problem, but his injuries might be. The Jets need a young wideout to go with Lavern and Cotch. Patrick Crayton intrigues me. Whenever I've watched him play, he goes after every ball and always manages to stretch a small gain into a big play. The play that sticks out to me is his touchdown against Seattle last week, where two guys were on him but he strecthed his arm to the full extent and got 6 points for it. I would love this guy on our roster. If the Boys retain him though, we could go after Drew Bennett or possibly draft Ted Ginn Jr. is Tye Hill and Marshawn Lynch haven't been taken.

4. Defensive End: We need to re-sign Bryan Thomas. I love this guy. He's an active player and always chases hard after the QB. If somehow we don't resign him, I would love to make a run at Dwight Freeney (maybe upset about another Colts playoff loss) or Jared Allen.

On another note, I'd like to sign Adalius Thomas or Cato June. I love both of them and Barton/Hobson are streaky. If anyone else has suggestions or players to go after, post it here! Same if any transactions involving the Jets are made. J E T S JETS JETS JETS!

I totally agree with this analysis,

and as a lifelong Patriots fan, I hope you

accomplish none of these objectives.

No time to answer now but, Bryan Thomas WAS resigned

Lots of good stuff in the draft threads

Reaper said:

No time to answer now but, Bryan Thomas WAS resigned

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Oh, well that's good

Purpulhippo999 said:

2. Running Back: There is one guy the Jets need to get. Michael Turner. The dude is an animal. But honestly, I think San Diego is somehow going to be able to keep him. The Jets should try to trade for Ladell Betts because I really like him too. 3. #3/#4 Wide Receiver: I hate to break it to all of you, but I have watched every Jets game and Justin McCaerins sucks. 4. Defensive End: I would love to make a run at Dwight Freeney (maybe upset about another Colts playoff loss) or Jared Allen. On another note, I'd like to sign Adalius Thomas or Cato June.

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A few things:#1: Are you willing to part with at least the Jets #1 pick, and possibly their #3 for Turner? If not, hes not an option. Ladell Betts isnt going to be traded...no way the Skins are going to give him up at the price they just signed him for.#2: Thanks for the heads-up on McCariens.#3. How do you see Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen fitting into a 3-4 defense as a DE? #4: What position do you see the 210lb Cato June playing in a 3-4? Saftey?

even though June is 210 lbs hes very fast and would be able to be on of the Jets linebackers. Also, i didn't realize we had bryan Thomas resigned so we don't need Freeney or Allen. And of course i wouldn't part with the #1 and #3 picks for turner, so we'll have to find someone else

i gotta be honest. im a huge jets fan, and i disagree with alot of what you said.

1) cornerback is NOT our number 1 need. It just seems that way because dyson was out/ inneffective for the Pats game. Dyson is a solid # 1 and barrett is a decent # 2. Miller is still young and can improve. I dont see us ponying up the $$ for samuel or clements. IMO, it would be a luxary, not a necessity.

2) Running back- i agree that neither houston or leon is a # 1. However, the NFL is generally going away from 3 down backs to situational guys and RBBC. IMO, the issue with our running game is the line, not the backs. Ferguson will improve as he gains size, but for the most part, he is not a road grader and never will be. Kendall is a decent interior guy and a good leader, but not a mauler. Mangold is a keeper and should be great for the next decade. The right side of the line is a mess. both moore and clement are an asbsolute mess. This is the jets biggest need. Our first round pick should be spent on a run blocking RT or guard.

having a possible franchise back is nice, but i feel that a solid RBBC is far cheaper and can be just as efficient with a good O-line. No RB is gonna be sucessful running behind 2 rookies, an over the hill left guard and a useless right side.

3) wide reciever- i agree about mccareins, but not smith. He was a rookie learning a new position. I dont think we've even scratched the surface of what he can do. Maybe WR 4 gets adressed with a mid round pick.

4) defensive end- thomas already signed an extension.(and he plays OLB inteh 3-4 anyway, so im not sure where you were going with this) Our DE's this year were ellis and Kimo. If the jets are gonna stick with the 3-4, id like to see them move Robertson to a 3-4 DE and go out and get a true run stuffing NT. As far as a big FA acquisition on the D-line or LB, i could see it. Adalius thomas, London fletcher and Lance briggs will all command big money, but could be decent options.

Overall, id say the jets needs are....

1) Run blocking O lineman (either guard or RT)

1a) run stopping nose tackle

2) Pass rusher

3) a natural run stopping ILB

other things like a franchise RB, shut down corner or big time TE could also be adressed, but i dont see them being the main goal. I think Mangini will stick to the Patriot blue print. He's gonna build this team around tough, cohesive linemen, versatile front 7 defenders and smart players.

1. More smoke

2. More mirrors

3. Defensive linemen

4. Cornerbacks

1) Beg, steal or borrow a running game

2) Prepare Kellen Clemens for action

3) sure get a CB - but unless there is more than one Tye Hill, he was drafted last year by St. Louis Rams in the 1st

A qb who throws over 4 yards.

Sorry, but Jared Allen isn't going anywhere.

Figure out when the Joe Willie curse sets in to once again bite the team in the ###.

Purpulhippo999 said:

even though June is 210 lbs hes very fast and would be able to be on of the Jets linebackers.

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Im still not sure where you see him playing? OLB?

diesel7982 said:

Purpulhippo999 said:

even though June is 210 lbs hes very fast and would be able to be on of the Jets linebackers.

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Im still not sure where you see him playing? OLB?

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Speed isn't as important for any linebacker playing in the 3-4 scheme. It certainly doesn't hurt but, awareness and accountability are most important and can't be compensated for with speed in this scheme.

PahtyTom said:

diesel7982 said:

Purpulhippo999 said:

even though June is 210 lbs hes very fast and would be able to be on of the Jets linebackers.

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Im still not sure where you see him playing? OLB?

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Speed isn't as important for any linebacker playing in the 3-4 scheme. It certainly doesn't hurt but, awareness and accountability are most important and can't be compensated for with speed in this scheme.

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Thats what I was getting at, but wanted to know what exactly he was seeing.No way June could play in the front 7 of that scheme.

PahtyTom said:

diesel7982 said:

Purpulhippo999 said:

even though June is 210 lbs hes very fast and would be able to be on of the Jets linebackers.

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Im still not sure where you see him playing? OLB?

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Speed isn't as important for any linebacker playing in the 3-4 scheme. It certainly doesn't hurt but, awareness and accountability are most important and can't be compensated for with speed in this scheme.

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I don't agree with this. You need your 3-4 backers to be fast and explosive, because those are your edge rushers. Joey Porter, Shawne Merriman, Willie McGinest, Rosevelt Colvin, Derrick Thomas, Jason Taylor, John Abraham, DeMarcus Ware, etc. The list goes on and on. You need at least your OLBs -- who are your top pass rushers -- to be your most athletic and fast players.

The Jets' biggest needs in the off-season are:

1) DE to replace Kimo and/or Ellis. I think Robertson might have made a great 3-4 DE; he's quick enough to play the position, and big enough to handle it. But since the Jets have tried him at NT, I wouldn't make him change positions again. Have him put on 15 lbs this off-season, and I think he'll become a good NT. But the Jets need help at DE, and neither Kimo or Ellis are very effective.

2) The Jets need a bruising runner. Maybe LaMont Jordan will be released. I like Leon a lot, but the Jets need another guy there.

3) The right side of the OL needs to be addressed.

4) I don't love Barton or Hobson. Getting a stud LB would be great, but both are adequate enough that I wouldn't replace unless an elite talent was available. If someone was, though, I'd move this up to number one priority.

5) Let Brad Smith play some more. He's a good number three, release McCareins, and let Dwight be the WR4.

Chase Stuart said:

PahtyTom said:

diesel7982 said:

Purpulhippo999 said:

even though June is 210 lbs hes very fast and would be able to be on of the Jets linebackers.

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Im still not sure where you see him playing? OLB?

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Speed isn't as important for any linebacker playing in the 3-4 scheme. It certainly doesn't hurt but, awareness and accountability are most important and can't be compensated for with speed in this scheme.

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I don't agree with this. You need your 3-4 backers to be fast and explosive, because those are your edge rushers. Joey Porter, Shawne Merriman, Willie McGinest, Rosevelt Colvin, Derrick Thomas, Jason Taylor, John Abraham, DeMarcus Ware, etc. The list goes on and on. You need at least your OLBs -- who are your top pass rushers -- to be your most athletic and fast players.

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You really think all of those guys you listed are considered "fast" in comparison to other linebackers? They are fast compared to defensive ends. Hence being, when looking for linebackers amongst linebackers in the 3-4, speed is not the key because by playing 4 linebackers you're automatically upgrading the speed of your front 7.

1. Go back in time

2. Draft Matt Leinart

Chad Pennington is not a good enough quarterback to ever get to a super bowl. That arm is an enormous liability. Even I could pick those floaters off all day...

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The Jets' biggest needs in the off-season are:1) DE to replace Kimo and/or Ellis. I think Robertson might have made a great 3-4 DE; he's quick enough to play the position, and big enough to handle it. But since the Jets have tried him at NT, I wouldn't make him change positions again. Have him put on 15 lbs this off-season, and I think he'll become a good NT. But the Jets need help at DE, and neither Kimo or Ellis are very effective.2) The Jets need a bruising runner. Maybe LaMont Jordan will be released. I like Leon a lot, but the Jets need another guy there.3) The right side of the OL needs to be addressed.4) I don't love Barton or Hobson. Getting a stud LB would be great, but both are adequate enough that I wouldn't replace unless an elite talent was available. If someone was, though, I'd move this up to number one priority.5) Let Brad Smith play some more. He's a good number three, release McCareins, and let Dwight be the WR4.

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I think we've done this a few times before already, but sure, let's do it again.1) Agreed. Robertson played above anyone's expectations in the middle. I also think that if Sione Pouha hadn't gotten injured, we would have seen Robertson playing DE as well. I would not be surprised to see Robertson playing at DE and NT next year. Ellis was meh, Kimo less than meh. But 3-4 DEs are not high draft picks, so I expect more vets and maybe a later-round rookie2) Both Houston and Barlow were nicked up all year. Barlow will likely have to renegotiate to stay, but I think he will be back. If Jordan is available, I think the Jets would welcome him back, but I'm not sure he would want to return. Guys like Turner and Betts are pipe-dreams. I see more RBBC here.3) 100% agreed. Talk is that Clement will stay, but I expect to see an RT get drafted. Not sure what the FA class of O-linemen is like, but with Ferguson and Mangold on board, I think the Jets are not going to spend big money on another line position.4) The 3-4 scheme has helped Thomas and Hobson at the expense of Vilma and Barton. In the 4-3 Vilma and Barton made one big play after another. In the 3-4, Vilma makes plenty of tackles, but is rarely the first defender at the point of attack. I'll give him a pass for the year though, since not only is he undersized, but the NT in front of him was also new and undersized. Barton was #2 in tackles, but I agree that some mroe competition would be nice at the LB spot. Schlegel has given no indications that he will be useful, and Chatham is a liablity. I've got no real problem with Hobson, I think he's fine, but he's not special.5) Brad Smith will play more and more. I think Tim Dwight will be gone, along with McCareins. A small, fast vet is probably on the wish list, and I think a rookie WR is also in the cards.

Otis said:

1. Go back in time2. Draft Matt LeinartChad Pennington is not a good enough quarterback to ever get to a super bowl. That arm is an enormous liability. Even I could pick those floaters off all day...

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And yet Pennington continues to lead his team to the playoffs whenever he's healthy...

Betts just signed a long term deal, as did Bryan Thomas as has been mentioned.

Robertson's play has improved a great deal, and he is visably a much happier player this year. He knows how down jets fans were on him, but I think he's adequate at NT, especially with Sione Pouha coming back, who looked to me to have won the starting job at NT until he got hurt.

Ellis is fine, but the other DE spot is awfil. Kimo and Hamilton had 1 sack between them, and are both 1) weak against the run at the point of attack, and 2) both 36 next year. I saw Kimo really sucking wind against NE.... there is a kid named Carriker (Nebraska) who looks to be an ideal 3-4 DE and might be had at 2.5, the pick from Washington.

I think Poteat resigns, but I agree Asante Samuel would be a nice get in FA, given Mangini's familiarity with him and vice-versa. I agree, Miller just doesn't seem to be able to play with enough discipline to play CB, despite his speed. He has the body for it, but lacks the gray matter.

Coles' health is also a worry, and I'd actually like to see the Jets take a WR like Meacham (Tenn) in the first round. That would make the disappointing and apparently disinterested McCariens very tradable/cuttable.

Yeah, the Jets could use an RB, but the O line is a bigger priority. Ferguson (as I said prior to the draft) is not a very good run blocker. Clement at RT was a surprise, after getting cut loose by both AZ and SF. He's onlt 30 years old, and might be good for another year, but ORG is a big need. Moore can't run block, and is only average in pass blocking at best. Given Kendall's age, a guard becomes an even higher priority. Teague will return and offers depth.

In the draft, I really like Tony Hunt, RB, PSU, but I doubt he lasts until the Jets get to use their own 2nd round pick. SD will ask for much too much for Turner. Turner won't be easy on the cap either. Both Cothcery and Rhodes have one year left on their contracts, and I expect to see both of them extended this off season. Everyone else of importance is locked up.

Biggest need: run stopping DE that can get 5 or more sacks.

Oh, to the troller who bashed Pennington..... did you watch the NE game? Or were you using a brail television? That TD to Cotchery is the sort of pass he throws best. about 30 yards with some zip and accuracy. Considering Pennington got the Jets to the playoffs with a very weak running game should not be overlooked. Arm strength in a QB is not as important as a QB's ability to read defenses and lead his team. See Kyle Boller.

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I think Poteat resigns, but I agree Asante Samuel would be a nice get in FA, given Mangini's familiarity with him and vice-versa. I agree, Miller just doesn't seem to be able to play with enough discipline to play CB, despite his speed. He has the body for it, but lacks the gray matter. Coles' health is also a worry, and I'd actually like to see the Jets take a WR like Meacham (Tenn) in the first round. That would make the disappointing and apparently disinterested McCariens very tradable/cuttable.

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Miller at CB is still a work in progress. He does have a knack for making big tackles in the flat, and he uses nice technique playing the ball. What he seems to have trouble with is understanding his zone responsibilities. I actually think that his problem is his speed. It's like he's used to being so much faster than the WRs that he lets them get behind him, and gets beaten deep b/c of it. I actually like how he plays zone, and keeps the plays in front of him, but he gets beat in man all the time.Poteat is a definite re-sign, imo. Actually, the spot that I think needs upgrading in the secondary is the safety spot opposite Rhodes. I doubt Asante Samuel will be on the Jets - if the Jets are working from the Pats blueprint, they're not going to shell out the outsize money that Samuel will command on the open market.I do agree that the Jets need a young WR to groom behind Coles. Brad Smith will definitely get his shot, but I expect the Jets to grab a WR with one of their top three picks. McCareins won't be back, and I'd be surprised if he gets traded for anything of value.

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Actually, the spot that I think needs upgrading in the secondary is the safety spot opposite Rhodes.

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Coleman may have had his worst year as a Jet, but that's only in comparison to two very good seasons. He's 24, inexpensive and very talented. I look forward to Rhodes and Coleman being in the backfield for a long time.I know Coleman and Rhodes are similar in that both are great tacklers and not great cover guys, but I want them both here.

Z-Dog said:

Otis said:

1. Go back in time2. Draft Matt LeinartChad Pennington is not a good enough quarterback to ever get to a super bowl. That arm is an enormous liability. Even I could pick those floaters off all day...

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And yet Pennington continues to lead his team to the playoffs whenever he's healthy...

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And get picked off like it's his job.Seriously, the biggest problem I have with the die hard Jets fans is how in love with Pennington they are. It's like an abusive relationship. He beats the crap out of you, but you love him so much you just can't let him leave.Seriously, get over it. Yes, he's fun to root for. Yes, he's smart. Yes, he's a leader. But he seriously doesn't have the physical abilities to lead this team anywhere. The little engine that could is a great story. A great one. But when high school kids are making throws that your pro quarterback can't, it's time to reevaluate. This team simply cannot contend with the best teams in this league. Even the Pats (who aren't what they used to be) showed us that. Why not build from the ground-up. Start at the QB. You can probably coach and scheme 80% of the team into playing over their heads. You can't coach Pennington's arm into working any better.I'm sorry fellas. Guy is a massive liability.

Well, I think Pennington is fine for now, but Clemens may be better than people give him credit for. People like Jaws have spoken highly of him, and his college starts & completion percentage are positives.

Ferguson has been disappointing this year...you'd better hope it's just a rookie thing, or else the line is screwed.

Barlow has been useless ever since the Niners gave him the starting job, I don't know what people still see in him. Washington is a fantastic RBBC guy, but you need a decent power runner to go with him.

The team's biggest need is anything to help run defense. Over this season as a whole, they've been worse than the Colts probably...if this sounds ridiculous, factor in their respective schedules.

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Z-Dog said:

Actually, the spot that I think needs upgrading in the secondary is the safety spot opposite Rhodes.

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Coleman may have had his worst year as a Jet, but that's only in comparison to two very good seasons. He's 24, inexpensive and very talented. I look forward to Rhodes and Coleman being in the backfield for a long time.I know Coleman and Rhodes are similar in that both are great tacklers and not great cover guys, but I want them both here.

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Coleman may have also had trouble with the scheme, and Eric Smith and Drew Coleman both got some of his playing time. I agree that Jets may go into next season with no major changes in the secondary. However, I would not be surprised to see Smith or DC win the job in preseason. As a fan, I believe that EC will find his game again, but if I was managing the team, I'd feel like it was appropriate to bring in some competition.On Pennington, I agree that his arm strength does limit the gameplan, but I don't think it limits the gameplan more than any other QBs' limitations. It was uncharacteristic of Pennington to throw as many INTs as he did, or a have YPA under seven, and his 17 TDs were underwhelming. However, for his comeback year, I'll take it. I believe that he will return to the form that he displayed prior to his shoulder injuries, when he threw for 3120 yards, 22 TDs and 7 INTs and went to the playoffs. There is no throw he used to be able to make that he can't make now, as far as I can tell, and he still seems pretty smart. Clemens was an excellent choice in last year's draft, and he will ostensibly get a shot at the job in camp, but Pennington will be the starting QB again.To be honest, I'm not sure why it's a fight. The Jets make the playoffs whenever he's healthy - I'll ride that for a while longer. Barlow, btw, was coming off of knee surgery this year, and I think he convinced the current regime that he's turned himself around and is willing to work hard. Whether he will or not is up for debate, but I believe that he will take a paycut, stay, and try and win a role in camp. I think that Cedric Houston did not show enough to be guaranteed a roster spot ahead of Barlow.

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Yeah, the Jets could use an RB, but the O line is a bigger priority. Ferguson (as I said prior to the draft) is not a very good run blocker.

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:SIGH: I was right with you on this... It's tough to fault the Jets for taking the hometown hero, nice guy but, that draft was ripe with Opportunity and they could have gotten a Playmaker or impact player AND rebuilt the Offensive Line...Jets had a pretty good draft last year but, it could have been a Grand Slam.... That 1st pick, it pains me to say, as we agreed before the draft, should have been traded or used at another position in a draft that we all saw had great depth at OL. I would have practically given that #4 pick away for more picks later.....

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Oh, to the troller who bashed Pennington..... did you watch the NE game? Or were you using a brail television? That TD to Cotchery is the sort of pass he throws best. about 30 yards with some zip and accuracy. Considering Pennington got the Jets to the playoffs with a very weak running game should not be overlooked. Arm strength in a QB is not as important as a QB's ability to read defenses and lead his team. See Kyle Boller.

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Yeah, GREAT input and info on his part...Personally, I had Chad at NO CHANCE to start this season. I'm pretty shocked at what he's done but, yeah, at times, like that Miami game, his throws just Kill you watching them as the WR's get pounded... When Chad's on he's damn good. This will be his first offseason in a while not rehabbing and/or learning a new offense - Hopefully that has a big impact on his game and he can get some added zip.But, I also love the way these guys always want competition and we'll have to see what Clemens can do. Nice to have a steady Chad in there with a good hopeful QB behind him.....We're also talking about a QB that took his team to the playoffs at 10-6 without a running game, with a new offense being installed, the OL completely overhauled, the defense learning on the fly, all while rehabbing.... I know the schedule gets tougher next year but, damn that was a lot to overcome this year. I agree with those saying build the OL... Keep adding to the OL and DL... Build the trenches.

Otis said:

Z-Dog said:

Otis said:

1. Go back in time2. Draft Matt LeinartChad Pennington is not a good enough quarterback to ever get to a super bowl. That arm is an enormous liability. Even I could pick those floaters off all day...

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And yet Pennington continues to lead his team to the playoffs whenever he's healthy...

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And get picked off like it's his job.Seriously, the biggest problem I have with the die hard Jets fans is how in love with Pennington they are. It's like an abusive relationship. He beats the crap out of you, but you love him so much you just can't let him leave.Seriously, get over it. Yes, he's fun to root for. Yes, he's smart. Yes, he's a leader. But he seriously doesn't have the physical abilities to lead this team anywhere. The little engine that could is a great story. A great one. But when high school kids are making throws that your pro quarterback can't, it's time to reevaluate. This team simply cannot contend with the best teams in this league. Even the Pats (who aren't what they used to be) showed us that. Why not build from the ground-up. Start at the QB. You can probably coach and scheme 80% of the team into playing over their heads. You can't coach Pennington's arm into working any better.I'm sorry fellas. Guy is a massive liability.

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1) When Chad has been healthy the Jets have won and pretty much OVERACHIEVED - Like 2004 when they took out SD on the road and then should have beaten Pitt. It's not like Chad's been playing on a team like the Chargers, stacked at most every other position or the Ravens with a Dominant D... Even with Curtis, he never had a lights out running game like some of these freaks.2) This past season was after rehabbing for 2 seasons AND learning a whole new offense AND rebuilding the OL and D...... Don't ya think he might do a little better with more talent and not having all that BS to deal with. How about a freaking running game?3) The Jets LOVED Kellen Clemens, drafted him in round 2 - so, they pretty much are having their cake and eating it too since they have Chad AND they are reevaluating. Mangini said the QB spot is up for Competition... 4) I also don't see the incredible love for Chad that you see - Among Jet Homer boards, I see a mix and most people wanting to see what Clemens can do but, knowing what Chad brings to the table as far as running an offense and reading a defense.

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SD will ask for much too much for Turner. Turner won't be easy on the cap either.

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Totally agree, but they have $28 million to work with, and not a ton of holes. It wouldn't surprise me to see them make an offer for him.As for Ferguson, time will tell. Hopefully he'll show some marked improvement, as we've seen with Thomas on the other side of the ball.

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Rovers said:

Yeah, the Jets could use an RB, but the O line is a bigger priority. Ferguson (as I said prior to the draft) is not a very good run blocker.

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:SIGH: I was right with you on this... It's tough to fault the Jets for taking the hometown hero, nice guy but, that draft was ripe with Opportunity and they could have gotten a Playmaker or impact player AND rebuilt the Offensive Line...Jets had a pretty good draft last year but, it could have been a Grand Slam.... That 1st pick, it pains me to say, as we agreed before the draft, should have been traded or used at another position in a draft that we all saw had great depth at OL. I would have practically given that #4 pick away for more picks later.....

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D'Brick also got Own3d by Tully Banta Cain the other day. I could see him getting beat by a speed rusher or something, Freeney and whatnot...but Banta Cain BULL RUSHED through him for two sacks.Not saying he's not going to develop into a nice player - but that was vey surprising to see. I think I remember something during Ferguson's scout reports about him possibly having trouble getting leverage in the NFL because he's so tall.

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Z-Dog said:

Otis said:

1. Go back in time

2. Draft Matt Leinart

Chad Pennington is not a good enough quarterback to ever get to a super bowl. That arm is an enormous liability. Even I could pick those floaters off all day...

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And yet Pennington continues to lead his team to the playoffs whenever he's healthy...

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And get picked off like it's his job.Seriously, the biggest problem I have with the die hard Jets fans is how in love with Pennington they are.

It's like an abusive relationship. He beats the crap out of you, but you love him so much you just can't let him leave.

Seriously, get over it. Yes, he's fun to root for. Yes, he's smart. Yes, he's a leader. But he seriously doesn't have the physical abilities to lead this team anywhere. The little engine that could is a great story. A great one. But when high school kids are making throws that your pro quarterback can't, it's time to reevaluate. This team simply cannot contend with the best teams in this league. Even the Pats (who aren't what they used to be) showed us that. Why not build from the ground-up. Start at the QB. You can probably coach and scheme 80% of the team into playing over their heads. You can't coach Pennington's arm into working any better.

I'm sorry fellas. Guy is a massive liability.

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While I don't condone abusive relationships, this made me laugh a little bit.

JetsWillWin said:

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Yeah, the Jets could use an RB, but the O line is a bigger priority. Ferguson (as I said prior to the draft) is not a very good run blocker.

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:SIGH: I was right with you on this... It's tough to fault the Jets for taking the hometown hero, nice guy but, that draft was ripe with Opportunity and they could have gotten a Playmaker or impact player AND rebuilt the Offensive Line...Jets had a pretty good draft last year but, it could have been a Grand Slam.... That 1st pick, it pains me to say, as we agreed before the draft, should have been traded or used at another position in a draft that we all saw had great depth at OL. I would have practically given that #4 pick away for more picks later.....

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D'Brick also got Own3d by Tully Banta Cain the other day. I could see him getting beat by a speed rusher or something, Freeney and whatnot...but Banta Cain BULL RUSHED through him for two sacks.Not saying he's not going to develop into a nice player - but that was vey surprising to see. I think I remember something during Ferguson's scout reports about him possibly having trouble getting leverage in the NFL because he's so tall.

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On Jets boards I kept telling people not to expect too much out of Ferguson and Mangold this year. Ferguson's abilty to block against a bull rush and his run blocking were definitely questioned before he was drafted. He needs to beef up some, no doubt. He has some trouble keeping wieght on. Ferguson played pretty much the way I expected him to... LT is a position that few rookies ever play exceptionally well at. I knew he'd get schooled in some games. Mangold on the other hand was simply amazing this year. To come in as a rookie and make the blocking assignment calls the way he did.... and he'll get stronger as well. "Love affair" with Pennington? Yes, the guy has earned a ton of respect from Jets fans, and deservedly so, but we all realise that his arm stregnth does limit the offense somewhat. With no running game this year, the Jets instead went with a very short ball control passing game. Pennington CAN throw the ball over 50 yards, but it gets too much air under it. That's why a WR who can outrun the DB's would be useful. Deep throws would have to be timed, allowing a very fast WR to run under the ball. Pennington's strengths played very well into the talent level the Jets had on offense. His ability to make reads and check down, short accurate throws, and changing plays at the line were invaluable assets for this team. Most other QB's would have looked much worse given the cicumstances. Is Pennington good enough to win a Super Bowl? Not unless he has a much better supporting cast. Namely, an O line that can run block and a RB that can take over a game. Pennington is a master at the play action, but without a running game, it isn't nearly as effective. But, how many strong arm QB's ever won a Super Bowl with a bad running game? Don't tell me the Pats... they could always run block, even if they didn't have a great RB.Yeah, the Jets do have plenty of cap to work with, but I happen to think that money would be better spent on an FA CB like Samuel as opposed to an RB like Turner, who would also cost draft pick(s), something I don't see the Jets as willing to do. This team is still not a legit Supe contender until 2008, and an RB should always be the last part of the puzzle IMO. I also think they would rather fill the RB spot through the draft as opposed to FA. Can you say.... Tony Hunt?

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D'Bricks issues weren't against speed rushers. He has very good footwork and can neutralize them, but the power bull rushers is what gave him trouble. I went to the Bills/Jets game in the Meadowlands and saw Schobel abuse D'Brick by basically going right through him. You can't spin off of him and try to beat him, cuz he's too quick, but you can toss him aside with power. I think this also has to do with the fact that he lost like 15lbs during the season. He's a rookie and wasn't used to the 16 game schedule. Let's see him bulk up and see if he can still keep his speed. I personally don't think he'll ever be an Ogden type, but he still might be an effective tackle. Mangold is a STUD. Kendall is very good as a guard. As many of you said, the right side of the line needs to be revamped. Moore and Clements just aren't doing it. But i wouldn't use a 1st rounder on a guard. They can be had in latter rounds.

I see the Jets actually getting Nate Clement. Buffalo has already said that they won't franchise him and he's free to test the market. He's a STUD corner who can play with the best of them. There is no way in hell, the Pats let Samuel walk, espically when they know Mangini and Tannenbaum will be outside Asante's house at 12:00AM on the night of Free Agency. So i don't see it happeneing.

Another option is to actually trade Vilma. I know i'll prolly get killed for this, but he's not a 3-4 ILB. He's too small and guards are able to easily neutralize him. His value is pretty high and news out DC is that they would be willing to trade Portis for him. So look for a trade around draft time with Vilma being in it. Hobson played exceptional, so i don't see him going anywhere and Bryan Thomas has been signed to a long term deal. The player that i would look to replace would be Barton. I dont' think he carries his weight.

DeWayne Robertson played very well as a NT in the 3/4. I don't know if they'll look to move him. Ellis held his own as a DE, but Kimo was absolute trash. Need to upgrade him immediately. Too many times i would see him getting pancacked by the o-lineman.

Chad Pennington. I don't think he was the problem at all. Bill Belicheck only allowed 6 QBs to pass for over 300 yards in a playoff against him. Pennington is one of them. He's not the problem and i would keep him around. Ask the Raider fans who were dying to replace Gannon with a strong armed QB. See how that's worked out for them. Pennington's teammates are willing to go to war with him. He is not the problem.

Coles and Cotchery stepped up big time and should be around next year as well. Coles has complained lately of not wanting to be in Mangini's training camp as it was hell to go through, but we'll assume for now that he's on the team. McCareans sucks. He's a decent #3, but nothing special. I'd rather have Brad Smith or try out another Free Agent in his spot.

Jets will definately have to do something about the running game. Leon is a scat back and won't be able to handle a full load. I don't know if Houston is the answer or not. I would look into the draft for a complete back. Not sure if i would use a 1st rounder on one since Rbs are more easily found than CBs or D-lineman and the Jets need both.

DaTruth

Realistic breakdown from a die hard Jets fan - sorry if its long

OL: Back from the dead! In 2005 this unit was the worst I can remember in Jet history! What a difference some youth and real coaching make! Brick had a so-so year which is not great for the #4 pick - but he is the type of guy who has the smarts - he just needs his body to catch up. Will benefit from the offseason program. I expect him to shine by his third year and be a very solid but unspectacular LT. Kendall is excellent but getting up there. Moore is limited at the other Guard spot. Clement was a very nice suprise and can see him starting in 2007. Mangold was a beat and should have competed for ROY. For a rookie center to come in and make a team forget about one of the greatest centers ever (Mawae) is amazing!

2007 outlook: Mangini loves the trenches - Brick/Mangold was the right move for this team in 2006. I can see Tangini bringing in a FA Guard to replace Moore and then adding a young stud T and G for the future. Bigger more physical types since most of the OL is finesse.

QB: I believe it was Wes Mantooth that said "I hate you Ron Burgandy....but I respect the hell out of you!" - that sums up my feelings for Chad. He is limited and not a championship QB in my eyes - but man do I respect him. He wins and came back agaisnt huge odds this year - no QB in NFL history has come back from two cuff surgeries - let alone play at a high level. Alas - I think we have seen how far the Jets can go with Chad. He is a the kind of QB that can win if everything around him is perfect. So unless the Jets land a stud RB and turn their Def into the 85 Bears - the Jets are not winning the Super Bowl with Chad. Trust me - Tangini know this - problem is name a better option?

2007: Unless they are willing to pony up for Schaub (unlikely as it would be a slap against what Chad has done this year) - I can see them allowing Chad to start out 2007 as the starter after a phony "competition" that will be in name only with Clemens. Jaws and other draft "experts" love Kellen - has been called Chad with a better arm. Doesn't have the height but that doesn't stop Brees. 2007 will be a much tougher schedule and I have a feelingt the Jets may take a step back in year 2 of the process as far as record goes. The good news with it is they should have a chance to see what Kellen can do - I have a real good feeling about him and think he will be the starting QB in 2008 with Chad as the backup/mentor ala Vinny. They will probably sign a journeyman QB for depth as the #3.

RB: Train wreck - never got the feeling that Mangini was comfortable with his RBs. They pummelled NE with the power game in the first win - so why know Barlow or Houston in the playoffs? Likely because he had no faith in them which speaks volumes. I can see a clean slate with all gone but Leon Washington. They will go after Turner but choke on the cap hit and trade it would take.

2007: I can see a high draft pick (1st rder or 2nd) spend on a solid RB. Wild card call - Lamont Jordan gets cut in Oak and returns to the Jets - if that happens they add a RB later. Also need a FB as Askew just isn't doing it. Leonard from Rutgers has Jets written all over him if he slips to the 3rd or 4th rd. Curtis gets a big sendoff in Sept or Oct - greatest Jet I have ever watched in my life!

WR: On its face Coles/Cotchery look solid and they are - but Coles is banged up and is not a huge fan of boot camp Mangini - don't be shocked if the JEts spend a day 1 pick on a tall WR to prepare for the future. Justin Mac/Dwight are gone and I'm not sure Brad Smith is more than a gimmick WR.

20007: So for next year Coles/Cotch are excellent - Tangini need to think ahead and grab another WR with upside.

TE: Perplexing - Schotty loved the TE in SD - Baker has skills - but was never used. Not sure if it was the system or Chad or Baker. We'll find out soon enough.

2007: Gonzo is out there and the JEts have a ton of $ - he is the only big name player I can see the JEts going after. He is older but has character and is perfect for the JEts (Chad's) short passing game. If not - I would look for the Jets to land another FA TE or draft one as well and have Baker hold down the fort.

DL: OK but need to get better - Need #1 - big fat guy to clog the middle. It makes the defense work - D Rob is not that guy. He could be converted into a decent 3-4 DE but just can't handle NT in a 3-4. Kimo is old and will remain one more year for teaching purposes only (maybe with a paycut) - Ellis is ok but not the star we thought he would be. Bryan Thomas was a break out star and was wisely extended during the season. He is a perfect player for the system and I think he will get better.

2007: Look for a major shuffling of this unit - position changes, trades, cuts, signing and drafting. Jets need that run stuffing NT and a 3-4 pass rusher - not easy to find. At least 1 major FA and day 1 draft pick will be on the DL

LB: Vilma was neutralized in 2006 - he had a ton of tackles but lost the ability to make the big plays in the 3-4. If they improve the DL they will improve the LBs. Vilma still has the goods. Hobson had a good year as well and will be kept. Barton is on the bubble but will probably get another year (with paycut) by default - they need depth at LB - all the backup/rotation players are lousy.

2007: Look for cheap FA signings and day 2 draft picks here - all Tanginig type of guys.

DB: Star is born - Kerry Rhodes was a stud in 2006. Made tackles as well as big plays. They need another safety to pair him up with. At CB - Dyson is a keeper but not a #1 CB. Miller/Poteat are also nickel and dime guys - so a #1 CB is a glaring need.

2007: If the Pats don't keep Assante look for Tangini to bring him in ASAP. If not - another FA will come in - doubt they leave this to the draft except for depth purposes unless someone blows them away.

K: Graham (holding aside) is the best punter the Jets have had in years. Nugent turned into a fantastic FG kicker and made people stop with the stupid 1st rd pick for Jolley crap (it was not a 1st rd pick - they just dropped 20 slots to grab Nugent and Justin Miller who was projected in the 1st rd anyway!).

2007: KO specialist- Nugent just can't crack the ten yard line - NE started on the 35 or better cause his KOs were short. Either give Graham a shot or bring someone in to kick it out of the endzone. Also - please let Clemmens hold next year - QBs (Romo aside) usually have better hands and have the ability to run fakes than punters!

Coaching: What a difference a year makes. Mangini was fantastic. Watching him go against Bellichick in the playoffs was like watching a chess match. Jets just don't have the pieces yet. But no kneel downs, no 3rd and 8 draws, adjustments on the fly, no sermons, no "play to win the game" talks and then have a conservative game plan. Jets have a young coach to grow with the franchise. I have never felt better about a head coach since the Tuna. ACs - Schotty is young and will get his own shot to be a HC in a year or two so I hope Mangini grooms someone else. Sutton was decent but he better bring it next year or he could be on the way out. Westhoff is a great ST coach and he looks cool wit hthe cane - like Fred Blassie when he managed the Shiek and Volkoff!

Overall - don't be shocked in 2007 is a step back for the Jets. 2006 brought a cake schedule and no major injuries during the season. The tough schedule along with the inevitable (I believe) changing of the guard at QB will probably keep the Jets around 8-8 next year. I am targeting 2008 as the year this team may explode and be legitimate SB contender. Any way you look at - from 2005 debaclke for the Jets to be in this good shape is nothing short of a miracle! Kudos to Tannenbaum and Mangini - hope they are Jets for life!!

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Wow - great stuff, Kidd. I agree with virtually everything you say. I've mentioned in another thread, but at TE, rather than blow the bank on Gonzo, I'd like to see them go after Daniel Graham. While he may not have the receiving ability of Gonzo, he's more than capable and would be a big asset as a blocker as the team tries to further beef up the trenches. Oh yeah, the fact that he plays for the Patriots doesn't hurt either.

Kid, good take!

I'm with you with one exeption. I think Robertson and Pouha will be fine at NT. Not pro bowlers, but a tandem that can do it well enough. It's that DE spot across from Ellis that is a huge problem. Kimo is old and out of shape. Between him and Hamilton (also 36 years old next year) that has more to do with the weak run D than Robertson, especially in the second half of the season. Kimo and Hamilton had only 1 (ONE!) sack between them! Kimo was knocked on his butt in one on one blocking more often than not on running plays. At the very best, he is depth. What would happen if Ellis went down? I cringe at the thought.

I also don't agree with Schaub. And, I don't agree that Pennington isn't good enough to be a SB QB. I think he is, but both the running game and the defense would have to be greatly improved to get there with Chad. He's the best play action QB I think I've ever seen, but with no running game, that talent is wasted.

Why no Houston against NE? Because Mangini knew the power running game (read Houston and Barlow) would not work against the Pats' defense. That wasn't a lack of confidence, it was because Mangini felt Washington's speed would be more effective against the Pats. That front 3 on the Pats D is simply the best there is at stuffing the middle. They aren't all that fast in persuit though.

Hermie wouldn't change things up like that, looking for mismatches. Mangini said as much this year.... how he would use the RB's. He said it would be a different mix every week based on the matchups. I wouldn't call the RB situation a train wreck.... the O line simply isn't any good at run blocking. Mangold and Kendall are good, but that simply isn't enough run blockers to ever get a consistant running game going. It always starts on the line. This O line unit just isn't worth a chit at run blocking, period.

Surprising to see no mention of Ricky Williams yet

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Realistic breakdown from a die hard Jets fan - sorry if its long QB: Was it Mantooth that said "I hate to Ron Burgandy....but I respect the hell out of you!" - that sums up my feelings for Chad. He is limited and not a championship QB in my eyes - but man do I respect him. He wins and came back agaisnt huge odds this year - no QB in NFL history has come back from two cuff surgeries - let alone play at a high level. Alas - I think we have seen how far the Jets can go with Chad. He is a the kind of QB that can win if everything around him is perfect. So unless the Jets land a stud RB and turn their Def into the 85 Bears - the Jets are not winning the Super Bowl with Chad. Trust me - Tangini know this - problem is name a better option?

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My sentiments exactly. I don't think he is capable of leading them to a super bowl. Folks defending him above are saying he's great becuase he leads them to the playoffs. I think he'll do that again. But if the ultimate goal is a super bowl, you need to reevaluate.

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Why no Houston against NE? Because Mangini knew the power running game (read Houston and Barlow) would not work against the Pats' defense. That wasn't a lack of confidence, it was because Mangini felt Washington's speed would be more effective against the Pats. That front 3 on the Pats D is simply the best there is at stuffing the middle. They aren't all that fast in persuit though.

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I think the not running in the middle was a function of health. The Pats D-line was healthy (it was w/o Ty Warren the last time they played), and Barlow and Houston were not healthy. I mean, avoiding running in the middle is one thing, but Houston had one carry the whole game. Oh, and for whomever said Gonzo at TE and though Baker was underutilized: Gonzo is guaranteed not going to be a Jet. I don't see the Jets going and getting into a bidding war with Herm for a TE on his way out. Also, Baker set career highs in every offensive category, even as he was called to stay in and block on many pass plays. I could see a TE brought in to challenge Sean Ryan for the #2 spot - it would be no surprise if Joel Dreesen was invited to camp to compete.

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Kiddnets said:

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Wow - great stuff, Kidd. I agree with virtually everything you say. I've mentioned in another thread, but at TE, rather than blow the bank on Gonzo, I'd like to see them go after Daniel Graham. While he may not have the receiving ability of Gonzo, he's more than capable and would be a big asset as a blocker as the team tries to further beef up the trenches. Oh yeah, the fact that he plays for the Patriots doesn't hurt either.

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Thanks - haven't been this excited about the Jets in years! I agree with your Graham comment - probably more along the lines of what Tangini would do - wonder if NE will let him go though.

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zamboni said:

Kiddnets said:

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Wow - great stuff, Kidd. I agree with virtually everything you say. I've mentioned in another thread, but at TE, rather than blow the bank on Gonzo, I'd like to see them go after Daniel Graham. While he may not have the receiving ability of Gonzo, he's more than capable and would be a big asset as a blocker as the team tries to further beef up the trenches. Oh yeah, the fact that he plays for the Patriots doesn't hurt either.

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Thanks - haven't been this excited about the Jets in years! I agree with your Graham comment - probably more along the lines of what Tangini would do - wonder if NE will let him go though.

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Agreed, especially if they think the Jets are interested. Maybe Watson's emergence makes him more expendible, but Belichick loves his TEs, so we'll have to see.

Watson hasn't really emerged all that much.

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Watson hasn't really emerged all that much.

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Fair enough - all the more reason Graham may stay put then.

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JetsWillWin said:

Watson hasn't really emerged all that much.

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Fair enough - all the more reason Graham may stay put then.

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How many TEs are they willing to keep though?

msommer said:

zamboni said:

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Watson hasn't really emerged all that much.

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Fair enough - all the more reason Graham may stay put then.

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How many TEs are they willing to keep though?

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I imagine that guy Rob Thomas, or whatever his name is, is expendible, and Fauria isn't there anymore. Unless I'm missing someone...

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msommer said:

zamboni said:

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Watson hasn't really emerged all that much.

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Fair enough - all the more reason Graham may stay put then.

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How many TEs are they willing to keep though?

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I imagine that guy Rob Thomas, or whatever his name is, is expendible, and Fauria isn't there anymore. Unless I'm missing someone...

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Graham, Watson, Mills and they drafted one more last year - I forget his name

is there anything to the vilma-portis trade or is it just a rumor?

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Yeah, the Jets could use an RB, but the O line is a bigger priority. Ferguson (as I said prior to the draft) is not a very good run blocker.

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:SIGH: I was right with you on this... It's tough to fault the Jets for taking the hometown hero, nice guy but, that draft was ripe with Opportunity and they could have gotten a Playmaker or impact player AND rebuilt the Offensive Line...Jets had a pretty good draft last year but, it could have been a Grand Slam.... That 1st pick, it pains me to say, as we agreed before the draft, should have been traded or used at another position in a draft that we all saw had great depth at OL. I would have practically given that #4 pick away for more picks later.....

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D'Brick also got Own3d by Tully Banta Cain the other day. I could see him getting beat by a speed rusher or something, Freeney and whatnot...but Banta Cain BULL RUSHED through him for two sacks.Not saying he's not going to develop into a nice player - but that was vey surprising to see. I think I remember something during Ferguson's scout reports about him possibly having trouble getting leverage in the NFL because he's so tall.

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On Jets boards I kept telling people not to expect too much out of Ferguson and Mangold this year. Ferguson's abilty to block against a bull rush and his run blocking were definitely questioned before he was drafted. He needs to beef up some, no doubt. He has some trouble keeping wieght on. Ferguson played pretty much the way I expected him to... LT is a position that few rookies ever play exceptionally well at. I knew he'd get schooled in some games. Mangold on the other hand was simply amazing this year. To come in as a rookie and make the blocking assignment calls the way he did.... and he'll get stronger as well. "Love affair" with Pennington? Yes, the guy has earned a ton of respect from Jets fans, and deservedly so, but we all realise that his arm stregnth does limit the offense somewhat. With no running game this year, the Jets instead went with a very short ball control passing game. Pennington CAN throw the ball over 50 yards, but it gets too much air under it. That's why a WR who can outrun the DB's would be useful. Deep throws would have to be timed, allowing a very fast WR to run under the ball. Pennington's strengths played very well into the talent level the Jets had on offense. His ability to make reads and check down, short accurate throws, and changing plays at the line were invaluable assets for this team. Most other QB's would have looked much worse given the cicumstances. Is Pennington good enough to win a Super Bowl? Not unless he has a much better supporting cast. Namely, an O line that can run block and a RB that can take over a game. Pennington is a master at the play action, but without a running game, it isn't nearly as effective. But, how many strong arm QB's ever won a Super Bowl with a bad running game? Don't tell me the Pats... they could always run block, even if they didn't have a great RB.Yeah, the Jets do have plenty of cap to work with, but I happen to think that money would be better spent on an FA CB like Samuel as opposed to an RB like Turner, who would also cost draft pick(s), something I don't see the Jets as willing to do. This team is still not a legit Supe contender until 2008, and an RB should always be the last part of the puzzle IMO. I also think they would rather fill the RB spot through the draft as opposed to FA. Can you say.... Tony Hunt?

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Hmmm, you know. I've been saying "Wouldn't Tony Hunt look good in Green and White" all year. My dad and I are both die hard Jets and PSU fans and I'm telling you, Hunt will be the most undervalued RB in the draft. He's got the abilty to break tackles and decent, albeit not great, speed. Most importantly though, he's a great blocker and he is pretty sharp in terms of learning. Hunt is no LJ to be sure. But he will be a solid NFL back if given the right opportunity. Really though, that's the key with most of these kids. The right opportunity. With the Jet's O-line having youth and a good starting point for the future on the left side, they are a good opportunity in my mind for a young talented back.

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msommer said:

zamboni said:

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Watson hasn't really emerged all that much.

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Fair enough - all the more reason Graham may stay put then.

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I imagine that guy Rob Thomas, or whatever his name is, is expendible, and Fauria isn't there anymore. Unless I'm missing someone...

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Graham, Watson, Mills and they drafted one more last year - I forget his name

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His name is Dave Thomas, and if you play in dynasty leagues, he should be on your radar. He had a big game in week 16 or so, and is becoming more invilved in the offense. Graham is NE's blocking TE, something that neither Watson or Thomas can call a strong suit. Despite that, I don't think NE will resign Graham. Thomas is cheap, and is a dangerous reciever... he is hardly expendable. OZ, your anti Pennington bias I suspect comes from the fact you are a Phins phan. The Jets were a missed FG away from the AFC championship game a couple of years ago with an injured Pennington no less. Having a strong arm isn't the be all, end all for a QB.... see Joey Harrington. He's a guy that has an arm, but none of the things that make Pennington a good QB. With a good ground attack and a stingy defense, there is no doubt Pennington is capable of going all the way. He carried the Jets on his back this year to get into the playoffs.