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Man,

After that loss, I need some group therapy....

Most of my pain is focused on the secondary for some reason....always been a weakness year in and year out. In this game, seeing dropped picks, bad penalties, poor decision making, awful prevent defense, and that fumble by Mcree make me want to...... <_<

Gaffney and Caldwell looked like Harrison and Wayne against that secondary....

I mean the offense had it's problems (please get rid of Parker.....), but what should we do about the secondary....who starts next year? I think they will go Jammer (who stinks IMHO) and Cromartie (who has gotten better). D Flo will be cut.....

On the offense, Parker is cut, McCardell retires. Starting WRs will be V Jackson and who??

Turner stays for 1 year. Neal hopefully stays for another year too...

D Edwards is gone....Cooper/Willhelm fill in

Marty is gone.....Cam Cameron as head coach??

Most of team will return....but I see more like a 10-6 season next year

Thoughts for the next year?.....Patriots fans please don't reply..... :unsure:

 
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Forgive me if this comes off as sour grapes or just plain old whining but I need to vent.

Growing up in North San Diego County and becoming interested in sports at age 7 or 8 (like most guys do) it was the era of Air Coryell. Growing up and watching an explosive offense put points up and terrific games helped mold my love for this team. The year they came up short losing in frigid Cincy to Collinsworth and Ken Anderson was crushing to a young fan that so desperately wanted his team to go to the Super Bowl. Those years came to an end and in the mid to late 80's came horrific teams and consecutive losing seasons. The Al Saunders and Dan Henning years really tested me as a fan until Bobby Ross resurected the franchise in the early 90's.

After a decade of decline the Chargers were back and our loyalty was rewarded in 1994 with a trip to the Super Bowl. Despite a miracle season the job was left incomplete and another crushing loss ended the Chargers season. Then came the Kevin Gilbride, June Jones and the Mike Riley eras that brought back the losing we are all so familiar with. Marty comes in and with good drafts and smart free agency the Chargers put up two playoff season in three years. I honestly thought if there was a year, this would be the one and the stars were aligned for a Chargers Super Bowl.

I guess what I am saying is that this team constantly tests my loyalty and my enthusiasm. I have had my heart broken so many times by this team that I now seem to be jaded and will temper my enthusiasm from getting too excited from here on out.

No disrespect to children from divorced families but I feel being a fan of the Chargers is like a child from a broken home. I feel like the kid that every Monday his father tells him that after school on Friday he is going to pick him up and he will stay with him for the weekend. All week long you get excited and look forward to Friday. Friday comes and you sit patiently by the mailbox at the end of the driveway and with every passing car your excitement builds. It never fails but every time, it gets dark and your mom comes out to where you are sitting and tells you that dad is not coming this week. The thing of it is that dad never comes but I am such a sucker to believe it every time I hear it. The team makes me feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football that Lucy is holding.

The whole post probably has no relevance on anything but I just so frustrated with the way this team constantly disappoints me and other fans. I'll continue to follow them and continue to root for the team but after this season I will not allow myself to start believing in them until the scoreboard at the Super Bowl reads triple zeros.

 
The secondary is fine. They have all continued to improve year after year and despite the mental mistakes they played pretty well. It will be hard to see Donnie and Godfrey go, but there is some pretty good talent behind them so I am not overly concerned about that. A better SS would help, but that can be done with the draft. WRs turned out to be a big problem though.

When Parker decided he was going to drop anything near him I don't understand why McCardell wasn't put in. The normally sure-handed Parker was totally lost out there. The vet presence was needed. Luckily Sproles will be back next year for punt returns. They won't actually cut Parker because he signed a new contract last year, but he is not WR #1 or even WR #2 material. VJ is probably a #2. He still drops a number of passes. That leaves us searching for a #1 and I imagine that's done through the draft. There aren't really any wholes outside of that to be filled. Everyone, but I believe Hardwick and Philips are signed long-term and they will likely be signed in the off-season.

I was very happy with the way Rivers played. He made the one int mistake, but other than that he was quite poised and accurate. If he can perform that way against a BB playoff gameplan then I think he should be solid in future playoffs.

 
Good post Harry, I feel pretty much exactly the same way.

That was THE worst loss I've ever experienced as a fan or player, no question. I'm trying to forget about the whole thing as quickly as possible, but it'll be tough to do since there's still a few weeks left in the football season and I'd like to see the rest of the games. It'll be tough to see the Pats playing without thinking about it. Plus my GF is a Pats fan - lucky me. This one hurts bad.

Apart from #### canning Marty, I don't think there's enough perspective to start making roster decisions. Their first priority is resigning Dielman who is now an unresticted FA. I'd like to see them keep Edwards if they can work that out, as he showed again on Sunday how valuable he is, particularly in pass coverage, but A.J. probably doesn't want to. He'll leave a big hole if he goes, because I don't think Wilhelm is the player Edwards is. Also if Godfrey wanted to come back I think they should let him but as a backup, not the starter - I think Cooper is probably ready to step in. Parker had a bad game, Florence lost his cool, but I'm not ready to see those guys go - they've been really good all season long and it would be counter productive to send them packing. What's important is that they learn from this and correct the mistakes they made going forward (that's where coaching comes in). Similarly with V.J., I thought he'd step up big on Sunday, but he obviously needs some more seasoning and more pass catching drills. I think the can be a top 10 NFL WR if he gets it together. They've still got Floyd too who could develop. If McCardell goes then maybe you bring in another seasoned Vet to give stability. Colin Dowling had the Chargers drafting WR Meacham - I don't know that another developing WR is what the Chargers need right now. I'd like to see Neal stick around too - I hope he doesn't retire.

Rivers had an extremely successful first season, aquitted himself very well in his first playoff game. I think he'll build on that and become a premier QB going forward. He'll need to because eventually this will be his team. LaDainian will be 28 next year, he's great, but I think you have to start expecting a drop off from him in the next few seasons.

I think maybe they should look at drafting a safety early int the draft. McCree is o.k. (despite the fumble), but I don't know that Kiel is developing to the extent I'd like. If not that, they may have to go OL again if Dielman leaves.

I think they'll have to sign and trade Turner - otherwise they won't get much for him when he leaves as an UFA the following year and he could land in someplace like Denver.

The other scary thing is they could start losing much of the (good parts of) coaching staff. Cameron is in play, I'm sure Wade wants another shot, though no one is interviewing him right now, and Lofton is interviewing for the HC job up in Oakland. Losing many of those guys would be a potential problem.

They'll have a 1st place schedule next year (it's already out, and I know you can't determine the strength of a schedule a year in advance, but it looks much more difficult than the 2006 schedule). Marty's already shown what happens when he runs into that two years ago after he got knocked out in the first playoff game in 2004. If he's still the coach they'll probably be lucky to win double digit games. If not I think they could do better in the playoffs, depending on who they get and how the players handle and learn from the disaster on Sunday.

In short, I'm still a fan, but Sunday has definitely killed my enthusiasm and what little optimism I allowed myself (being a natural pessimist like Bicycle Seat Sniffer) - I'll be expecting them to lose from here on out until they prove otherwise. Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - shame on me. I won't get fooled again. Unless of course they find a way to ressurect Vince Lombardi and install him as HC. I'd be optimistic about zombie Lombardi running things. All hail zombie Lombardi!

No offense to the Lombardi family, you have to keep a sense of humor in times like this.

 
If the Eagles don't resign Donte Stallworth, I think he would be a good fit for the Bolts. His speed would open things up even more for Gates and company. Stallworth and Jackson could cause a lot of matchup problems

 
I for one have been in mourning since the game.

They should be playoff team next year , doesn't mean they will. they are the class of the AFC west division, the schedule looks tougher, but the NFC north is horrible, and the AFC south while improving in Tennessee & Houston is still weak. Indy & Balt & Chicago are home games, with a nice trip to Foxboro. You might need to be 11-5 just to make in the AFC next year.

They need to improve that secondary still, maybe move jammer to saftey. This cannot be addressed in the draft, they must bring in a FA corner, not that there is a good one available. Cromartie looks ok, but not a big enough body of work there to decide.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Floyd and VJax are the starting WR's next year. Need to add a vet here too, since McCardell is likely gone, and Parker should be wr3.

Getting Sproles back will be big on ko & p returns.

Add some oline depth, they got luck with no injuries here and I think you can upgrade olivea's spot at least.

 
Harry Beanbag said:
Forgive me if this comes off as sour grapes or just plain old whining but I need to vent.Growing up in North San Diego County and becoming interested in sports at age 7 or 8 (like most guys do) it was the era of Air Coryell. Growing up and watching an explosive offense put points up and terrific games helped mold my love for this team. The year they came up short losing in frigid Cincy to Collinsworth and Ken Anderson was crushing to a young fan that so desperately wanted his team to go to the Super Bowl. Those years came to an end and in the mid to late 80's came horrific teams and consecutive losing seasons. The Al Saunders and Dan Henning years really tested me as a fan until Bobby Ross resurected the franchise in the early 90's.After a decade of decline the Chargers were back and our loyalty was rewarded in 1994 with a trip to the Super Bowl. Despite a miracle season the job was left incomplete and another crushing loss ended the Chargers season. Then came the Kevin Gilbride, June Jones and the Mike Riley eras that brought back the losing we are all so familiar with. Marty comes in and with good drafts and smart free agency the Chargers put up two playoff season in three years. I honestly thought if there was a year, this would be the one and the stars were aligned for a Chargers Super Bowl.I guess what I am saying is that this team constantly tests my loyalty and my enthusiasm. I have had my heart broken so many times by this team that I now seem to be jaded and will temper my enthusiasm from getting too excited from here on out. No disrespect to children from divorced families but I feel being a fan of the Chargers is like a child from a broken home. I feel like the kid that every Monday his father tells him that after school on Friday he is going to pick him up and he will stay with him for the weekend. All week long you get excited and look forward to Friday. Friday comes and you sit patiently by the mailbox at the end of the driveway and with every passing car your excitement builds. It never fails but every time, it gets dark and your mom comes out to where you are sitting and tells you that dad is not coming this week. The thing of it is that dad never comes but I am such a sucker to believe it every time I hear it. The team makes me feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football that Lucy is holding. The whole post probably has no relevance on anything but I just so frustrated with the way this team constantly disappoints me and other fans. I'll continue to follow them and continue to root for the team but after this season I will not allow myself to start believing in them until the scoreboard at the Super Bowl reads triple zeros.
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:shrug: This is almost exactly how I feel. I've never been more heartbroken, sad, depressed, enraged etc after a loss, and this includes the years I played football, basketball, baseball and of course rugby. I really felt like this was the year that destiny was finaly going to smile on the Boltz but instead desity gave us McCree and Parker. What a kick in the sack. It's Lucy pulling the ball out from Charlie Brown all over again. Arrg! Indeed.I don't know enough about every player on the team to know what the Boltz need to do to stay a top tier team and get back to the divisional round and possibly have HFA. I do think the secondary needs help which is almost a yearly saying and it's obvious that we need to drop every WR we have except VJ and start over. We need to sign a big name FA WR this off season, and pick up another good WR in the draft for the future. Rivers is the real deal and we have to pray LT can play close to the level he has for a few more years. The O line is solid and we need to lock those guys up too. I am still so damn sad.Thanks for this thread, it's nice hearing how other Charger fans feel.
 
I would like to see the Chargers spend a high pick on a right tackle and let Olivea compete with Goff at right guard. Olivea doesn't have the quickness to handle outside rushers from the tackle position, IMO, and is currently the weak spot on the offensive line.

Another safety would be nice. I think Kiel could be a good player in the right system (if used like Rodney Harrison, playing up close to the line almost like an extra linebacker), but he doesn't really fit the Charger D and is probably gone because of the purple cough syrup stuff anyway.

Cromartie should start opposite Jammer next year. I believe Florence has one year remaining on his contract. Florence and Cromartie should compete in camp, but Cromartie should win the job.

The Chargers don't have a true #1 receiver, but I don't think they need one. They could use another solid #2 type to go along with Vincent Jackson. Eric Parker is probably better off as a #3 receiver out of the slot. McCardell may not have a roster spot since he doesn't play special teams. Floyd has potential, but Jackson and Floyd are both too inconsistent to form a good starting WR tandem. I'd like to see Floyd and Parker as situational players, with Jackson starting alongside a solid receiver the Chargers bring in (probably by trade or free agency). I am against spending big money on a WR, though, because no WR will produce enough to justify a big contract in the Chargers system. The way Rivers spreads the ball around no one receiver will ever be the focal point of the passing game. People are already complaining that Gates was under-used this year (even though he had 900+ yards and 9 TDs), but it will be hard for any receiver to put up better numbers than he did. Rivers will not force the ball to a number one receiver; he will spread it around to the players getting the least attention from the defense. So a true #1 type receiver will likely end up being a disappointment in this system based on his production.

A number three tight end (to back up Gates and Manumaleuna) should be on the shopping list on draft day.

In addition to spending a high pick on a right tackle, more depth along the entire OL would be useful.

I'd like to re-sign Donnie Edwards for the right price, but I suspect he's probably gone. Godfrey is probably gone as well, but even if he plays one more year it would probably be as a backup. I like Cooper and Dobbins and Wilhelm and doubt Godfrey can beat those guys out again.

The Chargers should draft a running back as Michael Turner's eventual replacement, a fullback as Lorenzo Neal's eventual replacement, and a right guard as Mike Goff's eventual replacement (unless Shane Olivea can fit there).

Re-signing Kris Dielman should be a major priority. Re-signing Shaun Phillips should be as well, although they probably have one more year to get that done. (Dielman = UFA; Phillips = RFA.)

For a team that went 14-2 and is arguably the youngest and most talented team in the league, the Chargers still have plenty of positions that could stand an upgrade. But at least now the focus will generally be on upgrading depth rather than upgrading starters. That's certainly a welcome change from the Bobby Beathard years . . .

 
Living in Philly I'm an Eagles fan, but have also been a Chargers fan since I was 6-obviously I've been tortured by both teams. I am as sick as the rest of you That game bothered me like no other b/c there was no way the Chargers should have lost. . The future should be bright for the Bolts b/c they are solid at alomost very position. Hopefully this loss motivates them for all of next year and they end up like the Steelers who lost in the AFC championship after going 15-1.

 
I'm just talking off the top of my head here, but since Lavraneus Coles has expressed displeasure with his Jets situation and Turner has often been mentioned in relation to the Jets - would a Coles for Turner swap make sense.

I think Coles has lost a step certainly, but he's been a good receiver, and has pretty good hands. I don't know what his salary situation is.

I'm not sure it's a deal I'd be real enthusiastic about, but it might make sense. Like I said, I'm just talking here.

 
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I'm just talking off the top of my head here, but since Lavraneus Coles has expressed displeasure with his Jets situation and Turner has often been mentioned in relation to the Jets - would a Coles for Turner swap make sense.I think Coles has lost a step certainly, but he's been a good receiver, and has pretty good hands. I don't know what his salary situation is.I'm not sure it's a deal I'd be real enthusiastic about, but it might make sense. Like I said, I'm just talking here.
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The large turner thread actually had them coming up with Cotchery for Turner, which would reuinte Rivers & Cotch.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Gr00vus said:
I'm just talking off the top of my head here, but since Lavraneus Coles has expressed displeasure with his Jets situation and Turner has often been mentioned in relation to the Jets - would a Coles for Turner swap make sense.I think Coles has lost a step certainly, but he's been a good receiver, and has pretty good hands. I don't know what his salary situation is.I'm not sure it's a deal I'd be real enthusiastic about, but it might make sense. Like I said, I'm just talking here.
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The large turner thread actually had them coming up with Cotchery for Turner, which would reuinte Rivers & Cotch.
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I don't see the Jets trading Cotchery - his contract has to be incredibly friendly for them. Coles is the malcontent drawing in the bigger money.
 
Gr00vus said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Gr00vus said:
I'm just talking off the top of my head here, but since Lavraneus Coles has expressed displeasure with his Jets situation and Turner has often been mentioned in relation to the Jets - would a Coles for Turner swap make sense.I think Coles has lost a step certainly, but he's been a good receiver, and has pretty good hands. I don't know what his salary situation is.I'm not sure it's a deal I'd be real enthusiastic about, but it might make sense. Like I said, I'm just talking here.
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The large turner thread actually had them coming up with Cotchery for Turner, which would reuinte Rivers & Cotch.
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I don't see the Jets trading Cotchery - his contract has to be incredibly friendly for them. Coles is the malcontent drawing in the bigger money.
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I think he's a RFA just like Turner
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Gr00vus said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Gr00vus said:
I'm just talking off the top of my head here, but since Lavraneus Coles has expressed displeasure with his Jets situation and Turner has often been mentioned in relation to the Jets - would a Coles for Turner swap make sense.I think Coles has lost a step certainly, but he's been a good receiver, and has pretty good hands. I don't know what his salary situation is.I'm not sure it's a deal I'd be real enthusiastic about, but it might make sense. Like I said, I'm just talking here.
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The large turner thread actually had them coming up with Cotchery for Turner, which would reuinte Rivers & Cotch.
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I don't see the Jets trading Cotchery - his contract has to be incredibly friendly for them. Coles is the malcontent drawing in the bigger money.
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I think he's a RFA just like Turner
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Cotch is signed through 2007.A Coles/Turner deal makes a lot of sense for both sides, but it's likely a lot more on our minds here than on the respective minds of the GMs.
 
mad sweeney said:
McNeill to Hawaii

Good news for the Chargers for a change, rookie LT was added to the probowl roster. This kid is special and will be the best LT in the league in a season or two.
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I said it in the game thread, he already is... the ... best... Left Tackle in the NFL. There's two Pats on there backs in fetal positions on one of Tomlinson's TD runs. McNeill did them both and he's looking for a third. He is just amazing.
 
Chaos Commish said:
mad sweeney said:
McNeill to Hawaii

Good news for the Chargers for a change, rookie LT was added to the probowl roster. This kid is special and will be the best LT in the league in a season or two.
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I said it in the game thread, he already is... the ... best... Left Tackle in the NFL. There's two Pats on there backs in fetal positions on one of Tomlinson's TD runs. McNeill did them both and he's looking for a third. He is just amazing.
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Jones had a bad year (for him) this season so I'm not ready to hand off the crown. McNeill was one of the best this season but you can't lose or gain the crown based on one season. We'll see next year, but I have no doubt that McNeill will not only continue, but improve with more experience.
 
Charger fans, hang in there! I felt the exact same way most of you do after last season's loss to Pittsburg.

The Colts rebounded, so will the Chargers.

Please do one thing to help your cause though. Ask Merriman to stop that silly dance. I think it is a curse. Both he and RayRay look awful silly after doing that and then losing.

Hang in there!

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
I would like to see the Chargers spend a high pick on a right tackle and let Olivea compete with Goff at right guard. Olivea doesn't have the quickness to handle outside rushers from the tackle position, IMO, and is currently the weak spot on the offensive line.Another safety would be nice. I think Kiel could be a good player in the right system (if used like Rodney Harrison, playing up close to the line almost like an extra linebacker), but he doesn't really fit the Charger D and is probably gone because of the purple cough syrup stuff anyway.Cromartie should start opposite Jammer next year. I believe Florence has one year remaining on his contract. Florence and Cromartie should compete in camp, but Cromartie should win the job.The Chargers don't have a true #1 receiver, but I don't think they need one. They could use another solid #2 type to go along with Vincent Jackson. Eric Parker is probably better off as a #3 receiver out of the slot. McCardell may not have a roster spot since he doesn't play special teams. Floyd has potential, but Jackson and Floyd are both too inconsistent to form a good starting WR tandem. I'd like to see Floyd and Parker as situational players, with Jackson starting alongside a solid receiver the Chargers bring in (probably by trade or free agency). I am against spending big money on a WR, though, because no WR will produce enough to justify a big contract in the Chargers system. The way Rivers spreads the ball around no one receiver will ever be the focal point of the passing game. People are already complaining that Gates was under-used this year (even though he had 900+ yards and 9 TDs), but it will be hard for any receiver to put up better numbers than he did. Rivers will not force the ball to a number one receiver; he will spread it around to the players getting the least attention from the defense. So a true #1 type receiver will likely end up being a disappointment in this system based on his production.A number three tight end (to back up Gates and Manumaleuna) should be on the shopping list on draft day.In addition to spending a high pick on a right tackle, more depth along the entire OL would be useful.I'd like to re-sign Donnie Edwards for the right price, but I suspect he's probably gone. Godfrey is probably gone as well, but even if he plays one more year it would probably be as a backup. I like Cooper and Dobbins and Wilhelm and doubt Godfrey can beat those guys out again.The Chargers should draft a running back as Michael Turner's eventual replacement, a fullback as Lorenzo Neal's eventual replacement, and a right guard as Mike Goff's eventual replacement (unless Shane Olivea can fit there).Re-signing Kris Dielman should be a major priority. Re-signing Shaun Phillips should be as well, although they probably have one more year to get that done. (Dielman = UFA; Phillips = RFA.)For a team that went 14-2 and is arguably the youngest and most talented team in the league, the Chargers still have plenty of positions that could stand an upgrade. But at least now the focus will generally be on upgrading depth rather than upgrading starters. That's certainly a welcome change from the Bobby Beathard years . . .
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I agree with most all of this. I'm in agreement that OL and Safety help are strong needs, but I think they also need MLB help with Donnie walking. Perhaps it's just a facet of the game that I never realized the importance of until now, but a very good backup RB is a must these days. The four teams left all have 2 strong backs; with the wear and tear RBs endure throughout a season I think having a 1A and 1B at RB is a clear advantage both for insurance and for keeping 1A fresh for the playoffs. I'm almost willing to consider giving Turner some decent scratch to stick around and back up LT with the thought that he'll eventually become the successor. Of course I doubt Turner would take it.Olivea really regressed this year, so I wouldn't be opposed to moving him to guard for depth if we can add someone to take his spot at tackle.I can't even mention Cromartie without getting sick to my stomach thinking of that INT he had in his hands on the sideline which was a sure TD if he could have caught it. The potential is there, and I realize he won't be 100% until next year, but I really thought he was going to come up with a couple of big, big plays this year. He's so electrifying when you see him in person, it's only a matter of time.Replay of the Black Sunday game on NFL Network tonight at 8pm, for those who enjoy sticking screwdrivers in their eyeballs. :thumbup:
 
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pizzatyme said:
Ask Merriman to stop that silly dance. I think it is a curse. Both he and RayRay look awful silly after doing that and then losing.
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I freakin' hate that spastic dance. It's poor sportsmanship, and it makes him look like a ree-tard.
 
tommyGunZ said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
I would like to see the Chargers spend a high pick on a right tackle and let Olivea compete with Goff at right guard. Olivea doesn't have the quickness to handle outside rushers from the tackle position, IMO, and is currently the weak spot on the offensive line.

Another safety would be nice. I think Kiel could be a good player in the right system (if used like Rodney Harrison, playing up close to the line almost like an extra linebacker), but he doesn't really fit the Charger D and is probably gone because of the purple cough syrup stuff anyway.

Cromartie should start opposite Jammer next year. I believe Florence has one year remaining on his contract. Florence and Cromartie should compete in camp, but Cromartie should win the job.

The Chargers don't have a true #1 receiver, but I don't think they need one. They could use another solid #2 type to go along with Vincent Jackson. Eric Parker is probably better off as a #3 receiver out of the slot. McCardell may not have a roster spot since he doesn't play special teams. Floyd has potential, but Jackson and Floyd are both too inconsistent to form a good starting WR tandem. I'd like to see Floyd and Parker as situational players, with Jackson starting alongside a solid receiver the Chargers bring in (probably by trade or free agency). I am against spending big money on a WR, though, because no WR will produce enough to justify a big contract in the Chargers system. The way Rivers spreads the ball around no one receiver will ever be the focal point of the passing game. People are already complaining that Gates was under-used this year (even though he had 900+ yards and 9 TDs), but it will be hard for any receiver to put up better numbers than he did. Rivers will not force the ball to a number one receiver; he will spread it around to the players getting the least attention from the defense. So a true #1 type receiver will likely end up being a disappointment in this system based on his production.

A number three tight end (to back up Gates and Manumaleuna) should be on the shopping list on draft day.

In addition to spending a high pick on a right tackle, more depth along the entire OL would be useful.

I'd like to re-sign Donnie Edwards for the right price, but I suspect he's probably gone. Godfrey is probably gone as well, but even if he plays one more year it would probably be as a backup. I like Cooper and Dobbins and Wilhelm and doubt Godfrey can beat those guys out again.

The Chargers should draft a running back as Michael Turner's eventual replacement, a fullback as Lorenzo Neal's eventual replacement, and a right guard as Mike Goff's eventual replacement (unless Shane Olivea can fit there).

Re-signing Kris Dielman should be a major priority. Re-signing Shaun Phillips should be as well, although they probably have one more year to get that done. (Dielman = UFA; Phillips = RFA.)

For a team that went 14-2 and is arguably the youngest and most talented team in the league, the Chargers still have plenty of positions that could stand an upgrade. But at least now the focus will generally be on upgrading depth rather than upgrading starters. That's certainly a welcome change from the Bobby Beathard years . . .
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I agree with most all of this. I'm in agreement that OL and Safety help are strong needs, but I think they also need MLB help with Donnie walking. Perhaps it's just a facet of the game that I never realized the importance of until now, but a very good backup RB is a must these days. The four teams left all have 2 strong backs; with the wear and tear RBs endure throughout a season I think having a 1A and 1B at RB is a clear advantage both for insurance and for keeping 1A fresh for the playoffs. I'm almost willing to consider giving Turner some decent scratch to stick around and back up LT with the thought that he'll eventually become the successor. Of course I doubt Turner would take it.

Olivea really regressed this year, so I wouldn't be opposed to moving him to guard for depth if we can add someone to take his spot at tackle.

I can't even mention Cromartie without getting sick to my stomach thinking of that INT he had in his hands on the sideline which was a sure TD if he could have caught it. The potential is there, and I realize he won't be 100% until next year, but I really thought he was going to come up with a couple of big, big plays this year. He's so electrifying when you see him in person, it's only a matter of time.

Replay of the Black Sunday game on NFL Network tonight at 8pm, for those who enjoy sticking screwdrivers in their eyeballs. :thumbdown:
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Only slightly (but soldily) behind the Seahawks for me are the Chargers. Sunday was double Black Sunday for me. Happened two (?) years ago too where the Hawks lost to the Rams and Kaeding missed his kick. Both times I expected the Hawks to lose, which sucked but I was prepared for it, and expected the Chargers to win, which broke my heart. I have no interest in any other team, other than the Brees/Bush Saints, but there is certainly no emotion in it.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Another safety would be nice. I think Kiel could be a good player in the right system (if used like Rodney Harrison, playing up close to the line almost like an extra linebacker), but he doesn't really fit the Charger D and is probably gone because of the purple cough syrup stuff anyway.Cromartie should start opposite Jammer next year. I believe Florence has one year remaining on his contract. Florence and Cromartie should compete in camp, but Cromartie should win the job. I am against spending big money on a WR, though, because no WR will produce enough to justify a big contract in the Chargers system. The way Rivers spreads the ball around no one receiver will ever be the focal point of the passing game. People are already complaining that Gates was under-used this year (even though he had 900+ yards and 9 TDs), but it will be hard for any receiver to put up better numbers than he did. Rivers will not force the ball to a number one receiver; he will spread it around to the players getting the least attention from the defense. So a true #1 type receiver will likely end up being a disappointment in this system based on his production.
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At this point if Jammer was going to ever be moved to safety he probably already would have been but do you think that there is ANY chance they at least try Jammer at safety? I think their best CB combo is Cromartie/Florence and while McCree has added stability at one safety position(when healthy) I'm still disappointed time and again by the other S. I was higher on Jue than most people when the season started but he looked lost in that playoff game imo when he was on the field. It's pretty well known what I think of Jammer and since he's been extended he'll be around a lot longer but really how much longer are they going to let those big blunders go on? That move by Caldwell SHOULD have been a TD but Caldwell couldn't quite walk the tightrope down the sidelines. Jammer got away with some PI earlier in the game as well. This guy is better than he's been..... but he's still not good and I'll never trust him at the end of a game to get that one big stop. It's not like Caldwell is an elite WR either..... if Jammer is having trouble against the Caldwell/Gaffneys of the world does anyone honestly think he can cover playoff WR's week after week long enough to win a superbowl? Cromartie has the best feel for the game and athleticism based on what I've seen this year and even if he is less experienced I think he has to be one of the starters next year. I'd rather live through Cromarties growing pains than re-live Jammers growing pains every year/game.Completely agree about WR.... but I felt more stongly about that before Parker imploded last sunday. Now they may have to pick up a veteran to replace McCardell but it shouldn't be a high-profile guy.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Anyone know how much it would cost to put the franchise tag on a guard?
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Here's a USA Today link to guard salaries from 2005. It's not perfect -- Steve Hutchinson may impact the number, although IIRC his base salary won't jump above 4M until 2008. But it appears that an average of the top five base salaries at this position will be around 4M. The 120% of current salary won't apply -- for Dielman that'd be around 1.9M if the NFLPA figures are correct.I'll keep looking for 2006 salaries but I haven't found them via Google yet.

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Anyone know how much it would cost to put the franchise tag on a guard?
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Article in the SD UnionTrib today said it would be about 8 million - no way they'll pay him that. I don't know where they got that number from, sounds high to me.Regardless, I think Deilman is gone from SD.
 
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Gr00vus said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Anyone know how much it would cost to put the franchise tag on a guard?
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Article in the SD UnionTrib today said it would be about 8 million - no way they'll pay him that.I think Deilman is gone from SD.
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Wow. I had assumed it was base salary only -- probably makes sense that all guaranteed money (bonuses, etc) are included in the computation.ETA: If it's total compensation, the 2005 figures suggest that it would have been around 6M for 2006. Clearly the Hutchinson deal would have a major impact on that number for 2007.
 
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Jene Bramel said:
Gr00vus said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Anyone know how much it would cost to put the franchise tag on a guard?
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Article in the SD UnionTrib today said it would be about 8 million - no way they'll pay him that.I think Deilman is gone from SD.
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Wow. I had assumed it was base salary only -- probably makes sense that all guaranteed money (bonuses, etc) are included in the computation.
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Like I said above, I'm not sure where they got that number from - it sounds high to me.He and the team were 1 million apart earlier in the season before they broke of extension talks in November. I don't think his price tag has gone down since then, so I doubt he'll be in SD next year.
 
jonessed said:
The secondary is fine. They have all continued to improve year after year and despite the mental mistakes they played pretty well.
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I strongly disagree.The secondary looks fine whenever SD gets a huge pass rush(which is a large percentage of the time since they blitz so often). When is the last time you saw SD get a coverage sack? Everything positive on SD's defense is created by the front seven. I think there's some pressure on AJ to bring in some athletic difference makers at ILB that can blitz because if Merriman and/or Phillips are less than 100% these DB's get exposed in a hurry.
 
tommyGunZ said:
I can't even mention Cromartie without getting sick to my stomach thinking of that INT he had in his hands on the sideline which was a sure TD if he could have caught it. The potential is there, and I realize he won't be 100% until next year, but I really thought he was going to come up with a couple of big, big plays this year. He's so electrifying when you see him in person, it's only a matter of time.
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:thumbdown: He really needed to catch that one, I thought he was going to. He's got amazing recovery speed, I think they'll have to find a way to make him a starter next year. The competition should be between Florence and Jammer for the other spot. And I'd rather have Florence, taunting penalty and all.
 
Gr00vus said:
tommyGunZ said:
I can't even mention Cromartie without getting sick to my stomach thinking of that INT he had in his hands on the sideline which was a sure TD if he could have caught it. The potential is there, and I realize he won't be 100% until next year, but I really thought he was going to come up with a couple of big, big plays this year. He's so electrifying when you see him in person, it's only a matter of time.
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:thumbdown: He really needed to catch that one, I thought he was going to. He's got amazing recovery speed, I think they'll have to find a way to make him a starter next year. The competition should be between Florence and Jammer for the other spot. And I'd rather have Florence, taunting penalty and all.
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Florence has been better than Jammer for a few season now, not sure this is much of a competition, but Marty seems to really love Jammer, for whatever reason
 
Gr00vus said:
Jene Bramel said:
Gr00vus said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Anyone know how much it would cost to put the franchise tag on a guard?
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Article in the SD UnionTrib today said it would be about 8 million - no way they'll pay him that.I think Deilman is gone from SD.
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Wow. I had assumed it was base salary only -- probably makes sense that all guaranteed money (bonuses, etc) are included in the computation.
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Like I said above, I'm not sure where they got that number from - it sounds high to me.He and the team were 1 million apart earlier in the season before they broke of extension talks in November. I don't think his price tag has gone down since then, so I doubt he'll be in SD next year.
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No I think you're right. The CBA essentially says that salary, roster bonus, etc are all included in the calculation. Could well be 8M with Hutchinson's deal in the mix.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Gr00vus said:
tommyGunZ said:
I can't even mention Cromartie without getting sick to my stomach thinking of that INT he had in his hands on the sideline which was a sure TD if he could have caught it. The potential is there, and I realize he won't be 100% until next year, but I really thought he was going to come up with a couple of big, big plays this year. He's so electrifying when you see him in person, it's only a matter of time.
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:towelwave: He really needed to catch that one, I thought he was going to. He's got amazing recovery speed, I think they'll have to find a way to make him a starter next year. The competition should be between Florence and Jammer for the other spot. And I'd rather have Florence, taunting penalty and all.
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Florence has been better than Jammer for a few season now, not sure this is much of a competition, but Marty seems to really love Jammer, for whatever reason
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I agree, but he problem isn't just Marty - they gave Jammer a prety hefty contract extension. I was very confused by that decision, and I think it's going to hurt the Chargers over the long haul unless they have some sort of escape clause.BGP harped on how bad the Chargers' red zone defense was this year, and I think most of that is attributable to bad pass coverage, like the Gaffney TD on Sunday - the DB just wasn't able to stay with his man and the safety got lost in coverage. I've seen that too many times in the redzone already.
 
BoltBacker said:
At this point if Jammer was going to ever be moved to safety he probably already would have been but do you think that there is ANY chance they at least try Jammer at safety?
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No, Jammer will stay at corner. I know some people don't like him, but he was a big reason why Brady had the worst playoff performance of his career on Sunday. Jammer gave up one big play, but was generally solid all game, as he has been all season.
 
Jene Bramel said:
Gr00vus said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Anyone know how much it would cost to put the franchise tag on a guard?
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Article in the SD UnionTrib today said it would be about 8 million - no way they'll pay him that.I think Deilman is gone from SD.
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Wow. I had assumed it was base salary only -- probably makes sense that all guaranteed money (bonuses, etc) are included in the computation.ETA: If it's total compensation, the 2005 figures suggest that it would have been around 6M for 2006. Clearly the Hutchinson deal would have a major impact on that number for 2007.
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If it really is $8M, I guess Dielman will be playing somewhere else next season. Too bad, because he was a huge part of LT's record-breaking season this year. But I don't think the Chargers will spend that much on a guard.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Jene Bramel said:
Gr00vus said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Anyone know how much it would cost to put the franchise tag on a guard?
Click to expand...
Article in the SD UnionTrib today said it would be about 8 million - no way they'll pay him that.I think Deilman is gone from SD.
Click to expand...
Wow. I had assumed it was base salary only -- probably makes sense that all guaranteed money (bonuses, etc) are included in the computation.ETA: If it's total compensation, the 2005 figures suggest that it would have been around 6M for 2006. Clearly the Hutchinson deal would have a major impact on that number for 2007.
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If it really is $8M, I guess Dielman will be playing somewhere else next season. Too bad, because he was a huge part of LT's record-breaking season this year. But I don't think the Chargers will spend that much on a guard.
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I cant see someone playing him close to 8 Mill.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Jene Bramel said:
Gr00vus said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
Anyone know how much it would cost to put the franchise tag on a guard?
Click to expand...
Article in the SD UnionTrib today said it would be about 8 million - no way they'll pay him that.I think Deilman is gone from SD.
Click to expand...
Wow. I had assumed it was base salary only -- probably makes sense that all guaranteed money (bonuses, etc) are included in the computation.ETA: If it's total compensation, the 2005 figures suggest that it would have been around 6M for 2006. Clearly the Hutchinson deal would have a major impact on that number for 2007.
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If it really is $8M, I guess Dielman will be playing somewhere else next season. Too bad, because he was a huge part of LT's record-breaking season this year. But I don't think the Chargers will spend that much on a guard.
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I cant see someone playing him close to 8 Mill.
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They won't, but the Chargers won't either, they probably also won't pay what he's asking and probably will get due to the shortage of good FA OLinemen this offseason, which is going to be in the 4 to 6 million neighborhood.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
BoltBacker said:
At this point if Jammer was going to ever be moved to safety he probably already would have been but do you think that there is ANY chance they at least try Jammer at safety?
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No, Jammer will stay at corner. I know some people don't like him, but he was a big reason why Brady had the worst playoff performance of his career on Sunday. Jammer gave up one big play, but was generally solid all game, as he has been all season.
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Somebody needs to make a play back there and truthfully nobody really did except for Florence. I can't count McCree's INT for obvious reasons. Jammer was solid for the most part this season, he's a good tackler for a CB, but he just doesn't make plays, especially when it matters the most.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
BoltBacker said:
At this point if Jammer was going to ever be moved to safety he probably already would have been but do you think that there is ANY chance they at least try Jammer at safety?
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No, Jammer will stay at corner. I know some people don't like him, but he was a big reason why Brady had the worst playoff performance of his career on Sunday. Jammer gave up one big play, but was generally solid all game, as he has been all season.
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He had another PI on a third down that wasn't called in the first half.I was less impressed than you with his play this season but I'll admit he certainly didn't have as many of the breakdowns late in games that he's had over the past several years. Of course, at least some of that has to be credited to the pressure SD typically puts on the QB this season that they hadn't been able to generate in years past. I still can't remember the last time I saw a "coverage sack" by SD. If a QB has any time to throw against SD it's either a catch or a drop.... but the receiver is open.
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Gr00vus said:
tommyGunZ said:
I can't even mention Cromartie without getting sick to my stomach thinking of that INT he had in his hands on the sideline which was a sure TD if he could have caught it. The potential is there, and I realize he won't be 100% until next year, but I really thought he was going to come up with a couple of big, big plays this year. He's so electrifying when you see him in person, it's only a matter of time.
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:confused: He really needed to catch that one, I thought he was going to. He's got amazing recovery speed, I think they'll have to find a way to make him a starter next year. The competition should be between Florence and Jammer for the other spot. And I'd rather have Florence, taunting penalty and all.
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Florence has been better than Jammer for a few season now, not sure this is much of a competition, but Marty seems to really love Jammer, for whatever reason
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I thought this was Jammer's best year as a pro. I didn't recall him making anywhere near the same number of mistakes, or Pass Interference penalties this year. I know he got burned on the long pass play to Caldwell, but I thought it was a solid game/season otherwise. I'm more pissed at Florence for his bone-head play than Jammer.
 
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