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***OFFICIAL Cincinnati Bengals Off-season Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Jene Bramel

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Warning: Long-winded post with a bunch of questions and rants. :hey:

Yet another off-season full of questions for the Bengals.

Seems a little odd to question a franchise quarterback with a 63% completion percentage coming off a 4000 yard passing season, but close observers could see that Carson Palmer struggled with mechanics and timing routes at many points during 2006. Will another off-season of rest and recovery bring back the consistent form Palmer showed in 2005 when he posted a 68% completion percentage and 32-12 TD-INT ratio?

Can Chris Perry re-establish himself as a solid change of pace option this off-season or do the Bengals need to consider a back in the draft? Rudi Johnson is as consistent as they come but, offensive line injuries aside, his YPC was under 4.0 in 2006 and he's entering his sixth NFL season (with nearly four seasons of starting workload).

Can new WR coach Mike Sheppard keep CJ, TJ, and Chris Henry focused all season long? Or will the Bengals see another inconsistent season from Chad Johnson and the passing offense overall?

Can Chris Henry be counted on -- on and off the field? Two more court cases pending with possible suspensions to follow. More concerningly (after observing the actions of his teammates) was his lack of fire and less than full effort in critical situations. Which Henry do the Bengals get in 2007? The guy who exploits mismatches with his size and strength (2 TD against Steelers) or the guy who flakes on his teammates with suspensions and alligator arms in the clutch?

How important is it to target a pass-catching TE this off-season? Reggie Kelly is a FA and wants to come back. He showed the ability to contribute in the passing game at times and is a big part of the Bengal running game. But the man love the coaches had for Anthony Fasano was well documented. If Henry isn't available for all 16 games or Chris Perry can't provide a reliable option on third downs, would an athletic, pass catching TE take some of the heat off Palmer on passing downs?

Can the Bengals possibly retain G Eric Steinbach, paying him huge dollars to play inside after already extending Levi Jones, Willie Anderson, and Bobbie Williams? Can Eric Ghiaciuc and Andrew Whitworth build upon their very solid 2006 seasons? Will the nagging knee and foot issues that Jones and Anderson continue to struggle with result in another season of musical chairs along the OL?

There's no question that the defense has improved under Marvin Lewis -- there wasn't anywhere to go but up. And it's painful when you lose your first and second draft picks from 2005, both of whom looked to be productive players on the field and/or potential difference makers. But at some point, Lewis has to put together a defense that gets off the field on 3rd down.

Is this the off-season that the parts fall into place for the Bengals to move toward a 3-4 front? Do the Bengals turn their backs on their traditional free agent stance and make a run at a 31 year old Adalius Thomas? Will there be a pass rushing OLB available in the first round to potentially pair with Robert Geathers in a 3-4 look? Or do they bring back Justin Smith, likely overpaying to do it, and lock themselves into a 4-3 for the forseeable future?

Will Marvin follow through on his public statements that Odell Thurman isn't a welcome part of the team any longer? What will the Bengals do at linebacker, where Brian Simmons is aging and has a chronic neck issue and where Landon Johnson and Caleb Miller are both RFA? Can Ahmad Brooks make the leap from inconsistent rookie to a 255lb sideline-to-sideline version of Ray Lewis?

Who starts next to Johnathan Joseph next season? Neither Tory James nor Deltha O'Neal played anywhere close to their 2005 form. And Keiwan Ratliff has become little more than a poor punt returner. Will the Bengals shift Madieu Williams to corner as some have speculated (unlikely IMO) and draft an impact safety?

And most importantly, will Lewis finally be able to instill the importance of citizenship in the locker room and put a stop to the rash of troublemakers off the field? Will the Bengals draft again be filled with character questions like Frostee Rucker, AJ Nicholson, and Ahmad Brooks?

Does any other team with so much talent and Super Bowl aspirations have so many questions? Can a team like this get their :goodposting: over a 16 game season and post-season and make a legitimate run at a championship?

If I were running the show:

1. Make a run at a defensive playmaker.

Sam Adams and Dexter Jackson are nice. And they're necessary. But they're not pushing anybody closer to a championship. The Bengals haven't had anyone the opposing team has to gameplan against for years. Unfortunately, the pickings are awful slim. The defensive ends (Freeney, Kerney, Smith) are all a little overrated. The corners (Clements, Samuel) are nice. Even with the coming increase in salary cap, none of these guys are going to be had at any reasonable market value. Adalius Thomas is an interesting case, but he ain't coming cheap either and he'll be 30 in August. Still, this defense needs an identity. The Bengals have locked up all their offensive parts. Geathers is a start but he's been nothing more than a part time player. Maybe you'll get lucky in the draft. But maybe you won't.

Take the plunge. So you can't re-sign Kenny Watson or Tony Stewart or Kevin Kaesviharn. And there's no way you sign Steinbach anyway. This defense needs a difference maker. It may be stupid for the long run and I realize that the Redskins haven't done diddly-poo paying high end prices for wholesale crap. I don't care. :P Make a run at Freeney or Thomas.

2. Make Landon Johnson a priority.

He's the most reliable and versatile backer the Bengals have rostered. Extend him or tender him a big number. His play on the strong side was just good enough to suggest he could fit at RILB in a 3-4. He's a great fit at the Will in a 4-3 and is just as good a player as Brian Simmons right now, probably better.

3. Re-sign Reggie Kelly.

Continuity is huge and Kelly is a big part of the Bengal run offense and a key member of the locker room. Draft a pass catching TE in the middle rounds if you like, but bring Kelly back.

4. Prioritize DT and CB in the draft.

Both are areas of high need. Don't horse around with another WR in the third round or a running back in the second. It's important to keep Palmer surrounded with playmakers, but at some point the defense has to be solid from top to bottom. If you aren't going to prioritize a pass rush, and especially if you don't make a free agent splash, you better be able to control the LOS and cover.

5. Change the culture of the lockerroom.

Let Odell Thurman be somebody else's problem. I know he's got talent and I know the defense is better with him. He killed this team last year. He was directly or indirectly responsible for his own year long suspension, Henry's three game absence, and the use of a third round draft pick on Ahmad Brooks. He's no longer allowed in the locker room. Make it permanent. And don't take any more chances on goofballs like Reggie McNeal or Frostee Rucker in the middle rounds.

Figure out why this team wins early or late in the regular season but not both. Figure out why there continues to be questions about lack of effort every year. Figure out why your players think it's acceptable to arrogantly whine that they're the better team with the better talent after continually losing big games.

Then fix it.

I'm tired of reminiscing about Boomer Esiason and Tim McGee and Ken Anderson and Ken Riley. I'm happy I'm no longer complaining about Mike Brown, Bruce Coslet, and Rod Jones. But it isn't enough. I want a consistent winner. Now.

:lmao:

What say you Bengal fans (and haters)?

 
Thanks for posting this. Looks like there aren't many Bengal fans around here. I agree with some things and disagree with some. My thoughts in blue.

Jene Bramel said:
Warning: Long-winded post with a bunch of questions and rants. :hophead:

Yet another off-season full of questions for the Bengals.

Seems a little odd to question a franchise quarterback with a 63% completion percentage coming off a 4000 yard passing season, but close observers could see that Carson Palmer struggled with mechanics and timing routes at many points during 2006. Will another off-season of rest and recovery bring back the consistent form Palmer showed in 2005 when he posted a 68% completion percentage and 32-12 TD-INT ratio?

This is the last guy to be concerned about. Let's not forget he's coming back from injury and played behind a makeshift line due to injuries. Palmer will be fine.

Can Chris Perry re-establish himself as a solid change of pace option this off-season or do the Bengals need to consider a back in the draft? Rudi Johnson is as consistent as they come but, offensive line injuries aside, his YPC was under 4.0 in 2006 and he's entering his sixth NFL season (with nearly four seasons of starting workload).

When did he establish himself? Playing in 22 out of a possible 48 games isn't what I call establishing yourself. But if he can get healthy then he could be better than Rudi.

Can new WR coach Mike Sheppard keep CJ, TJ, and Chris Henry focused all season long? Or will the Bengals see another inconsistent season from Chad Johnson and the passing offense overall?

Can Chris Henry be counted on -- on and off the field? Two more court cases pending with possible suspensions to follow. More concerningly (after observing the actions of his teammates) was his lack of fire and less than full effort in critical situations. Which Henry do the Bengals get in 2007? The guy who exploits mismatches with his size and strength (2 TD against Steelers) or the guy who flakes on his teammates with suspensions and alligator arms in the clutch?

I don't know what to expect. Let's put it this way. If we get anything out of him it's a bonus.

How important is it to target a pass-catching TE this off-season? Reggie Kelly is a FA and wants to come back. He showed the ability to contribute in the passing game at times and is a big part of the Bengal running game. But the man love the coaches had for Anthony Fasano was well documented. If Henry isn't available for all 16 games or Chris Perry can't provide a reliable option on third downs, would an athletic, pass catching TE take some of the heat off Palmer on passing downs?

There are several prospects available in the draft. Not a high priority but I think we add someone day 2 that might bring some value with upsaide.

Can the Bengals possibly retain G Eric Steinbach, paying him huge dollars to play inside after already extending Levi Jones, Willie Anderson, and Bobbie Williams? Can Eric Ghiaciuc and Andrew Whitworth build upon their very solid 2006 seasons? Will the nagging knee and foot issues that Jones and Anderson continue to struggle with result in another season of musical chairs along the OL?

Steinbach is no longer considered a top priority after the rookie's performance. Getting guys back healthy is crucial. The O-line injuries combined with the defensive injuries really hurt this year.

There's no question that the defense has improved under Marvin Lewis -- there wasn't anywhere to go but up. And it's painful when you lose your first and second draft picks from 2005, both of whom looked to be productive players on the field and/or potential difference makers. But at some point, Lewis has to put together a defense that gets off the field on 3rd down.

I wonder if they would have performed well without all the injuries? We'll never know but improvement is definately needed.

Is this the off-season that the parts fall into place for the Bengals to move toward a 3-4 front? Do the Bengals turn their backs on their traditional free agent stance and make a run at a 31 year old Adalius Thomas? Will there be a pass rushing OLB available in the first round to potentially pair with Robert Geathers in a 3-4 look? Or do they bring back Justin Smith, likely overpaying to do it, and lock themselves into a 4-3 for the forseeable future?

Not sure what's best here. I'm taking a wait and see.

Will Marvin follow through on his public statements that Odell Thurman isn't a welcome part of the team any longer? What will the Bengals do at linebacker, where Brian Simmons is aging and has a chronic neck issue and where Landon Johnson and Caleb Miller are both RFA? Can Ahmad Brooks make the leap from inconsistent rookie to a 255lb sideline-to-sideline version of Ray Lewis?

Wait and see on this one too. I hope he does the right thing.

Who starts next to Johnathan Joseph next season? Neither Tory James nor Deltha O'Neal played anywhere close to their 2005 form. And Keiwan Ratliff has become little more than a poor punt returner. Will the Bengals shift Madieu Williams to corner as some have speculated (unlikely IMO) and draft an impact safety?

Agreed that James and O'Neal need replaced or relegated to parttime. Anyone available in FA?

And most importantly, will Lewis finally be able to instill the importance of citizenship in the locker room and put a stop to the rash of troublemakers off the field? Will the Bengals draft again be filled with character questions like Frostee Rucker, AJ Nicholson, and Ahmad Brooks?

Can't say I agree with this. It is not Lewis job to babysit grown men who gets millions of dollars. It's up to the organization to make a statement about how they want their players to be held accountable. I would love for something to be done but I don't blame Lewis. Also, the Player's Asso need to step up and make these men accountable. Why wait for a coach to do what the parents should of done years ago. As for drafting better character, that's something the Bengals must decide collectively. Lewis is not autonomous on player decisions.

Does any other team with so much talent and Super Bowl aspirations have so many questions? Can a team like this get their :popcorn: over a 16 game season and post-season and make a legitimate run at a championship?

I can't stress enough the role the injuries played. Losing as many O-lineman and defenders as they did left them reeling. The off field issues were more for the media to debate than it was a team impact. Just the same, as a fan, I would like to see that cleaned up. This team is capable of going to the AFC championship game. But to win and have a shot at the SB they must improve their defense.

If I were running the show:

1. Make a run at a defensive playmaker.

Sam Adams and Dexter Jackson are nice. And they're necessary. But they're not pushing anybody closer to a championship. The Bengals haven't had anyone the opposing team has to gameplan against for years. Unfortunately, the pickings are awful slim. The defensive ends (Freeney, Kerney, Smith) are all a little overrated. The corners (Clements, Samuel) are nice. Even with the coming increase in salary cap, none of these guys are going to be had at any reasonable market value. Adalius Thomas is an interesting case, but he ain't coming cheap either and he'll be 30 in August. Still, this defense needs an identity. The Bengals have locked up all their offensive parts. Geathers is a start but he's been nothing more than a part time player. Maybe you'll get lucky in the draft. But maybe you won't.

Take the plunge. So you can't re-sign Kenny Watson or Tony Stewart or Kevin Kaesviharn. And there's no way you sign Steinbach anyway. This defense needs a difference maker. It may be stupid for the long run and I realize that the Redskins haven't done diddly-poo paying high end prices for wholesale crap. I don't care. :P Make a run at Freeney or Thomas.

2. Make Landon Johnson a priority.

He's the most reliable and versatile backer the Bengals have rostered. Extend him or tender him a big number. His play on the strong side was just good enough to suggest he could fit at RILB in a 3-4. He's a great fit at the Will in a 4-3 and is just as good a player as Brian Simmons right now, probably better.

3. Re-sign Reggie Kelly.

Continuity is huge and Kelly is a big part of the Bengal run offense and a key member of the locker room. Draft a pass catching TE in the middle rounds if you like, but bring Kelly back.

4. Prioritize DT and CB in the draft.

Both are areas of high need. Don't horse around with another WR in the third round or a running back in the second. It's important to keep Palmer surrounded with playmakers, but at some point the defense has to be solid from top to bottom. If you aren't going to prioritize a pass rush, and especially if you don't make a free agent splash, you better be able to control the LOS and cover.

5. Change the culture of the lockerroom.

Let Odell Thurman be somebody else's problem. I know he's got talent and I know the defense is better with him. He killed this team last year. He was directly or indirectly responsible for his own year long suspension, Henry's three game absence, and the use of a third round draft pick on Ahmad Brooks. He's no longer allowed in the locker room. Make it permanent. And don't take any more chances on goofballs like Reggie McNeal or Frostee Rucker in the middle rounds.

Figure out why this team wins early or late in the regular season but not both. Figure out why there continues to be questions about lack of effort every year. Figure out why your players think it's acceptable to arrogantly whine that they're the better team with the better talent after continually losing big games.

Then fix it.

I'm tired of reminiscing about Boomer Esiason and Tim McGee and Ken Anderson and Ken Riley. I'm happy I'm no longer complaining about Mike Brown, Bruce Coslet, and Rod Jones. But it isn't enough. I want a consistent winner. Now.

:shock:

What say you Bengal fans (and haters)?
 
Thanks for posting this. Looks like there aren't many Bengal fans around here. I agree with some things and disagree with some.When did he [Chris Perry] establish himself? Playing in 22 out of a possible 48 games isn't what I call establishing yourself. But if he can get healthy then he could be better than Rudi.Agreed that James and O'Neal need replaced or relegated to parttime. Anyone available in FA?
Snipped many of your good points to focus the discussion. Hope you don't mind.Re-establish was probably a poor word choice with respect to Chris Perry. But Perry was starting to show the value the Bengals hoped he'd provide in 2005 -- 4.5 YPC in change of pace duty and 51 receptions. As solid as TJ has become in third down situations, that element of the Bengal offense was missing this season.There are a few interesting names at corner -- Nate Clements, Asante Samuel, Roderick Hood among a couple others. I doubt the Bengals spend big money in free agency at the corner position though.I'm with you to some extent on the "Marvin shouldn't be expected to babysit" and that the players are ultimately responsible for their conduct arguments. At some point, though, eight arrests in a season must call into question those in leadership positions. And I'm in complete agreement with your comments about the hindrance the NFLPA is to the team discipline of players in these incidents.Finally, I'm not sure I agree that Marvin doesn't have full authority on draft decisions. I think Mike Brown is still in the picture, but he'd never have okayed drafting players with open court cases like AJ Nicholson and Frostee Rucker in the past. That's on Marvin and his coaching staff.
 
Regarding WR-Henry and his off filed issues. After reading Bloom's Shrine Bowl report I thought this was an interesing take from a Bengals scout:

"I had to ask if they were going to change their scouting philosophy after the numerous arrests. He said, "we're paid to win games, not build character. Would you rather have Chris Henry playing for you, or against you?" I told him that as a diehard Steeler fan, I hated seeing Henry on the other side of the ball."

Interesting because this is what I was saying about Lewis. He's paid to win games, not babysit grown millionairs. The comment about having him on your team or facing him smacks of some serious reality talk. IOW-the Bengals are going to keep him as long as he produces or until the NFL takes him away. Why let the Steelers or some other team have him to use against you?

 
Interesting quotes from Carson Palmer.

Arrests frustrate Palmer

By GEOFF HOBSON

January 22, 2007

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5854

Updated: 1-23-07, 5 a.m.

The latest Bengals arrest has quarterback Carson Palmer not only seething, but also speaking out on how off-field problems are a factor in the team not reaching the playoffs.

In a conversation that began Monday by discussing his brother and his own Senior Bowl experience four years ago, Palmer lit into the string of offenses that reached nine in the past 13 months with cornerback Johnathan Joseph’s arrest for marijuana possession.

“It has to stop,” Palmer said hours after he heard the news. “If it doesn’t stop, we’re not going to have any fans left and I don’t blame them. It’s ridiculous. We can’t get through a month without getting a guy arrested. It happens on another team and they’re shocked and surprised to hear about it. With us, you hear about it and it doesn’t surprise you and you just shake your head and say, ‘Another one.’ ”

What hit Palmer hard about the Joseph arrest is that it came the day after he watched the AFC title game in which the Colts came from behind to beat the Patriots.

“In the NFL, talent isn’t everything. It couldn’t have been any more evident than in that game Sunday,” Palmer said. “The best coaching wins and getting guys who are coachable. It doesn’t matter if you run a 4.4 (40-yard dash). What matters is if you run a 4.7 where and how you’re told to do it.

“Look at that game. The only recognizable names that went to a Pro Bowl for New England are Tom Brady on offense and Richard Seymour on defense. Other than that, they’ve got average guys who do what they’re told and play together. Talent isn’t everything, and we’ve got talent but we’re sitting home for a reason and we have to do something about it.”

Palmer is upset and he understands head coach Marvin Lewis’ postseason vow to get tough on lack of discipline, but he remains optimistic.

“We’ve got a lot of talented guys and it’s going to be fun competing again next season and trying to win the Super Bowl. That’s our goal,” Palmer said. “I know I’m ready and that about 95 percent of this team knows what it takes. You look at these games on TV at this time of year and you realize these teams that are still playing are living your dreams and how exciting it is. They’re doing it with guys who are coachable and making two or three plays that win games.”

What set Palmer off and put the Bengals back in the crosshair of jokes came overnight Monday when Joseph was arrested in Boone County, Kentucky overnight on a marijuana possession charge.

Joseph

According to published reports, Joseph was a passenger in a car driven by a woman that had a suspended license and was driving slowly and weaving. When a Boone County sheriff's deputy asked Joseph to get out of the vehicle, he smelled marijuana, and the deputy searched Joseph's black backpack with a Super Bowl logo and found a bag of marijuana in a pouch, the arrest report said.

The reports said Joseph was released Monday morning, and his first court appearance is scheduled for Feb. 5, the day after the Super Bowl. Marijuana possession is a misdemeanor that carries a maximum of one year in jail and a maximum $500 fine.

According to the NFL substance abuse policy, first-time offenders are usually fined a game check and not suspended.

But the Bengals’ string of offenses that players have suggested contributed to an 8-8 season that cost them the playoffs and raised Lewis’ ire are now continuing into another offseason.

Joseph became the ninth Bengal to be arrested since Dec. 15, 2005. The club doesn't comment on on-going litigation and his agent, Jason Chayut, had no comment Monday.

Joseph is coming off one of the best rookie seasons ever by a Bengals first-round draft pick, starting at cornerback over the last half of the season and leading the team with 19 pass breakups.
 
And most importantly, will Lewis finally be able to instill the importance of citizenship in the locker room and put a stop to the rash of troublemakers off the field? Will the Bengals draft again be filled with character questions like Frostee Rucker, AJ Nicholson, and Ahmad Brooks?

Can't say I agree with this. It is not Lewis job to babysit grown men who gets millions of dollars. It's up to the organization to make a statement about how they want their players to be held accountable. I would love for something to be done but I don't blame Lewis. Also, the Player's Asso need to step up and make these men accountable. Why wait for a coach to do what the parents should of done years ago. As for drafting better character, that's something the Bengals must decide collectively. Lewis is not autonomous on player decisions.
Ridiculous. I know you and I debated this before but teams should hold themselves to their own moral standards, not pawn it off on the NFLPA to create/enforce a standard for them. I can't believe you see the players association as a policing body to begin with when their guiding principle is to advocate player friendly rules and procedures. If the NFLPA had their way there would be no drug testing and no suspension of players under any circumstances. I mean my god, these guys would fund the appeal for Ted Bundy if he could hike a football. But to me all that is irrelevant. As the guy you are dismissing in this thread implied, a player who lacks character off the field seldom reaches inside and discovers character on the field, and lack of character on the field often translates into failure. Most competent businesses understand that dynamic and carefully screen the character of potential employees who would be hired to accomplish business goals. They understand character matters. But no, in your world Lewis is not bringing in these players... "the organization" is. So who is this "organization"? Brown? His daughter? Her husband? You can't possibly believe they are the ones deciding to draft proven turds such as Henry, Rucker and Nicholson (etc, etc. etc.), or signing some guy who spent a year in jail in week 17. You can't possibly believe that football decisions don't start and stop with Lewis.

Frankly it confounds me that you don't get it when everyone else in the world, including your QB, does:

“It has to stop,” Palmer said hours after he heard the news. “If it doesn’t stop, we’re not going to have any fans left and I don’t blame them. It’s ridiculous. We can’t get through a month without getting a guy arrested. It happens on another team and they’re shocked and surprised to hear about it. With us, you hear about it and it doesn’t surprise you and you just shake your head and say, ‘Another one.’ ”

What hit Palmer hard about the Joseph arrest is that it came the day after he watched the AFC title game in which the Colts came from behind to beat the Patriots.

“In the NFL, talent isn’t everything. It couldn’t have been any more evident than in that game Sunday,” Palmer said. “The best coaching wins and getting guys who are coachable. It doesn’t matter if you run a 4.4 (40-yard dash). What matters is if you run a 4.7 where and how you’re told to do it.

“Look at that game. The only recognizable names that went to a Pro Bowl for New England are Tom Brady on offense and Richard Seymour on defense. Other than that, they’ve got average guys who do what they’re told and play together. Talent isn’t everything, and we’ve got talent but we’re sitting home for a reason and we have to do something about it.”

Palmer is upset and he understands head coach Marvin Lewis’ postseason vow to get tough on lack of discipline, but he remains optimistic.

“We’ve got a lot of talented guys and it’s going to be fun competing again next season and trying to win the Super Bowl. That’s our goal,” Palmer said. “I know I’m ready and that about 95 percent of this team knows what it takes. You look at these games on TV at this time of year and you realize these teams that are still playing are living your dreams and how exciting it is. They’re doing it with guys who are coachable and making two or three plays that win games.”
 
And most importantly, will Lewis finally be able to instill the importance of citizenship in the locker room and put a stop to the rash of troublemakers off the field? Will the Bengals draft again be filled with character questions like Frostee Rucker, AJ Nicholson, and Ahmad Brooks?

Can't say I agree with this. It is not Lewis job to babysit grown men who gets millions of dollars. It's up to the organization to make a statement about how they want their players to be held accountable. I would love for something to be done but I don't blame Lewis. Also, the Player's Asso need to step up and make these men accountable. Why wait for a coach to do what the parents should of done years ago. As for drafting better character, that's something the Bengals must decide collectively. Lewis is not autonomous on player decisions.
Ridiculous. I know you and I debated this before but teams should hold themselves to their own moral standards, not pawn it off on the NFLPA to create/enforce a standard for them. I can't believe you see the players association as a policing body to begin with when their guiding principle is to advocate player friendly rules and procedures. If the NFLPA had their way there would be no drug testing and no suspension of players under any circumstances. I mean my god, these guys would fund the appeal for Ted Bundy if he could hike a football. But to me all that is irrelevant. As the guy you are dismissing in this thread implied, a player who lacks character off the field seldom reaches inside and discovers character on the field, and lack of character on the field often translates into failure. Most competent businesses understand that dynamic and carefully screen the character of potential employees who would be hired to accomplish business goals. They understand character matters. But no, in your world Lewis is not bringing in these players... "the organization" is. So who is this "organization"? Brown? His daughter? Her husband? You can't possibly believe they are the ones deciding to draft proven turds such as Henry, Rucker and Nicholson (etc, etc. etc.), or signing some guy who spent a year in jail in week 17. You can't possibly believe that football decisions don't start and stop with Lewis.

Frankly it confounds me that you don't get it when everyone else in the world, including your QB, does:

“It has to stop,” Palmer said hours after he heard the news. “If it doesn’t stop, we’re not going to have any fans left and I don’t blame them. It’s ridiculous. We can’t get through a month without getting a guy arrested. It happens on another team and they’re shocked and surprised to hear about it. With us, you hear about it and it doesn’t surprise you and you just shake your head and say, ‘Another one.’ ”

What hit Palmer hard about the Joseph arrest is that it came the day after he watched the AFC title game in which the Colts came from behind to beat the Patriots.

“In the NFL, talent isn’t everything. It couldn’t have been any more evident than in that game Sunday,” Palmer said. “The best coaching wins and getting guys who are coachable. It doesn’t matter if you run a 4.4 (40-yard dash). What matters is if you run a 4.7 where and how you’re told to do it.

“Look at that game. The only recognizable names that went to a Pro Bowl for New England are Tom Brady on offense and Richard Seymour on defense. Other than that, they’ve got average guys who do what they’re told and play together. Talent isn’t everything, and we’ve got talent but we’re sitting home for a reason and we have to do something about it.”

Palmer is upset and he understands head coach Marvin Lewis’ postseason vow to get tough on lack of discipline, but he remains optimistic.

“We’ve got a lot of talented guys and it’s going to be fun competing again next season and trying to win the Super Bowl. That’s our goal,” Palmer said. “I know I’m ready and that about 95 percent of this team knows what it takes. You look at these games on TV at this time of year and you realize these teams that are still playing are living your dreams and how exciting it is. They’re doing it with guys who are coachable and making two or three plays that win games.”
Sounds like you're taking a bit personal. Not sure why. I won't bite on that. As to your comments, I think a response/clarification is a good idea.You question my opinion on the Player's Association. It's not my assertion that they should be the one's accountable. It's my assertion that they are one's preventing teams from taking appropiate action. You must be of the opinion that teams can do whatever they deem appropiate to punish palyers for their behavior. I wish that were true but they have limitations based on the CBA. Therefore, it's up to the Players Asso to do something that will allow teams the authority to take stronger action against player when they get into trouble.

One of the problems with either side of this debate is what constitutes a violation? Is it when they get charged? No. Is it when they are found quilty? Frequently these troubles are pleaded down to lesser offenses and then they are no longer deemed as serious so what recourse do teams have? I'm not sure but until the CBA is written so that teams can do more then they have to bear some of the blame.

As for Lewsi? He can do what the Browns let him. Mike Brown runs a tight organization and his daughter makes many of the personell decisions and is responsible for negotiations. To what extent Lewis has say I don't know but I doubt he has unbridled decision making.

At the end of the day it's the players that need to be held accountable. Not the Players Asso. Not Lewis. Not the Bengals. The players are the one's that are getting arrested. How about you and others start holding them accountable instead of laying the blame on someone else? At least I'm willing to acknowlege there's a problem. I'm just not willing to dismiss the player's role as easily as you are.

 
Sounds like you're taking a bit personal. Not sure why. I won't bite on that. As to your comments, I think a response/clarification is a good idea.You question my opinion on the Player's Association. It's not my assertion that they should be the one's accountable. It's my assertion that they are one's preventing teams from taking appropiate action. You must be of the opinion that teams can do whatever they deem appropiate to punish palyers for their behavior. I wish that were true but they have limitations based on the CBA. Therefore, it's up to the Players Asso to do something that will allow teams the authority to take stronger action against player when they get into trouble.One of the problems with either side of this debate is what constitutes a violation? Is it when they get charged? No. Is it when they are found quilty? Frequently these troubles are pleaded down to lesser offenses and then they are no longer deemed as serious so what recourse do teams have? I'm not sure but until the CBA is written so that teams can do more then they have to bear some of the blame.As for Lewsi? He can do what the Browns let him. Mike Brown runs a tight organization and his daughter makes many of the personell decisions and is responsible for negotiations. To what extent Lewis has say I don't know but I doubt he has unbridled decision making.At the end of the day it's the players that need to be held accountable. Not the Players Asso. Not Lewis. Not the Bengals. The players are the one's that are getting arrested. How about you and others start holding them accountable instead of laying the blame on someone else? At least I'm willing to acknowlege there's a problem. I'm just not willing to dismiss the player's role as easily as you are.
Not taking it personally at all. The Cincinnati situation disgusts me as an NFL fan, end of story. Reading people like yourself giving the organization a pass for the mess they've manufactured is simply unbearable. This isn't some sort of fluke or bad luck that has befallen some random NFL team. On the NFLPA thing, you are only willing to talk about after the fact stuff for rostered players. Sure, if a guy steps surprisingly out of line after you've signed him I'll grant you that's a touchy situation considering what the NFLPA will let you do. But that's beside the point for me. To me you screen prospects even more thoroughly if you know your hands are going to be tied once you sign a guy. In other words, don't allow proven turds into the locker room to begin with. Most of these guys had legendary profiles and rap sheets long before being taken on by the Bangals. All the rest of your fixated responses on post-rostered events, the legal process, and who is to blame for them -- again missing the point entirely. Lewis should absolutely be responsible for the fall out of letting players with predictbly bad character in the locker room. You can't hold him blameless when low character/poor judgment players he hand picks act in accordance with their nature and do low character/bad judgment acts. And then with 8 arrests under the team's belt, Lewis signs a guy in week 17 who spent a year in jail for assault and robbery. Lewis is obviously accountable for whatever happens with that guy next season. And for Lewis to remark before the 2006 draft that there was going to be a new emphasis to drafting character guys? My god, how can you stop shaking your head when you see that translated into drafting Nicholson/Rucker? If it wasn't reality it would be great comedy.
 
Chris Henry gets only 2 days in jail for serving drinks to under aged children at a motel. So if our legal system isn't going to do anything about guys like this then what do we think the NFL or any team is going to accomplish? There has been a dangerous precedent set by the legal system for not holding people accountable.

Now we are beginning to understand where the big picture is at on this issue.

 
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On O... I would let Stienbach take his drunken boating elsewhere. Whitworth can step in and we can draft depth. I'd re-sign Kelly but Eric Johnson and Daniel Graham are also options. The rest of the O is set.

On D... I don't know where to start. :lmao: I'd try and get a pick for Odell. Brooks is an athletic freak.. with an entire off season with the team, I think he'll be ready to step in. Simmons is old, we need to keep Landon, and draft someone for the future. On the line.. I let Smith walk. Maybe sign someone like Terdell Sands. I think the secondary will be fine for now if they get someone up front to pressure the qb, there are a lot of good young fa safetys this year though.

They need to draft D with their first day picks, and they already spent their 3rd on Brooks. They could draft any defensive position in the first and it would fill a need. I don't like any of the projected mid first DT's, but there are a few DE's that could work. Paul Posluszny will likely be on the board when the Bengals are up. DB's Landry, Nelson, or Revis would be great picks if they fall. And guys like Charles Johnson, Brandon Meriweather, Victor Abiamiri, Eric Weddle, H.B. Blades, or Adam Carriker should be there in the second.

 
The following posts from PFT shed more light into the issues of player behavior. For those that want to say Lewis is the reason for this I think you'll find it enlightening that others are finally realizing that their are serious organizational issues beyond Lewis control that at play. Lastly, it's evident that the NFL isn't exactly making progress towards solving these issues either.

"POSTED 7:36 a.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 8:43 a.m. EST, January 29, 2007

BENGALS NEED TO BEEF UP SCOUTING STAFF

In response to the item we posted on Sunday night addressing the tough talk from Bengals president Mike Brown regarding his displeasure with a roster including nine players who have been arrested since December 2005, a former NFL front-office employee has reminded us of one of the potential causes for the problem with which the team is now struggling.

The Bengals don't employ enough scouts.

According to the team's official web site, the Bengals have only one scout and three "scouting consultants."

"Most teams have almost 10 college scouts and a scouting assistant or 2," said the source. "It's amazing that they have gone this far today and do things backwards. They have no one else to blame but their own front office."

So how do they get ready for the draft? The talk is that the assistant coaches get pressed into service after the season ends. But that's like showing up 90 minutes late for a marathon, since every other team has been spending the entire football season dispatching its scouts to points all over the country, where they attend college practices and games.

Focusing only on the AFC North, the Bengals are well behind their key rivals. The Steelers have at least seven college scouts, and one person who splits time between assessing college and pro prospects. The Ravens have eight college scouts. The Browns have nine college scouts. (Um, Cleveland, it's not working.)

Why don't the Bengals have a bigger scouting staff? Because they're cheap.

And this brings us back to the whole revenue issue. Sure, the Bengals are near the bottom of the NFL in gross revenue. But they continue to be one of the most profitable teams, because they spend as little of their money as possible.

So while we've been blaming Marvin Lewis for the mess in the Queen City, it very well could be that much of the blame falls to Brown.

With that said, the Bengals are clearly doing enough to identify the talented players. The flaw apparently lies in the nuances and details, which prompted many of the guys whom they have selected over the past couple of years to slide until the Bengals realized that they were in position to snag what they thought was a steal."

"NFL MAKING LIGHT OF BENGALS' LEGAL PROBLEMS

You know, we really don't expect the NFL to come out and admit that Playmakers was unrealistic only because it was too tame, or that there is a real and troubling problem with criminal conduct (actual and alleged) among professional football players.

But it would be nice if the NFL's in-house television network didn't go out of its way to make light of the situation.

We're referring to one of this year's "four months ago" commercials urging fans to "get their stories straight" by frequenting NFL Network. The spots are generally amusing to us.

This time around, one of the guys in the segment says that the "jury is still out on the Bengals." (We're paraphrasing, because we haven't personally seen the commercial. But several members of PFT Planet have alerted us to it.)

Look, we don't want to get all soapboxy on this. With that said, does poking fun at a disturbing string of arrests send the right message to the general public? At a time when it's hard to tell whether anyone really cares about solving the problem, the commercial screams out to the general public: "We're addressing this very serious situation by making jokes about it. On TV."

And don't forget that NFLN is owned equally by the 32 NFL teams. So 1/32nd of that message is coming straight from the very team that has made itself into a mockery.

Bottom line -- for a multi-billion-dollar business that has displayed extremely wise, prudent, and conservative judgment over the years, we're shocked by the apparent lack of sensitivity that the NFL is displaying regarding one of the few issues that could reverse the decades of growth that the sport has enjoyed."

 
Appreciate the book, but sparing a bit of time...

Will the Bengals release or trade Odel Thurman? If they trade him, what are they looking for in return or asking for?

Thanks!

 
The following posts from PFT shed more light into the issues of player behavior. For those that want to say Lewis is the reason for this I think you'll find it enlightening that others are finally realizing that their are serious organizational issues beyond Lewis control that at play. Lastly, it's evident that the NFL isn't exactly making progress towards solving these issues either.
The frugal nature of Mike Brown has been well known in league circles for years. Nobody cared in the 90s (outside of Bengal fans) because this franchise wasn't exactly a storied member of NFL lore. In no way am I apologizing for it -- things like the lack of an indoor practice facility and the thin scouting department are ridiculous -- but I don't think it plays any role in the miscreants Lewis has drafted. Lewis got Brown to expand the scouting department when he was hired, and for the most part the results have been positive over the past four years. The guys he drafted that have become character concerns, with the exception of Johnathan Joseph, have had clear red flags. None were missed because of poor scouting.This isn't Mike Brown drafting Sean Brewer in the third round when no one else in the league would have offered him a free agent contract. These are Marvin's calls -- he defended these picks in the past, particularly Thurman and Henry shortly after he drafted them, citing his belief that they were misunderstood and that they'd be solid citizens. Reading between the lines of his public statements about Thurman recently, you can almost hear the hurt and betrayal over Thurman's issues. And there's no way anybody other than Lewis had something to do with AJ Nicholson and Frostee Rucker. Both had well known legal issues coming into the draft.I was impressed with what I'd heard before last season's draft from Lewis. They were apparently going to pay much closer attention to character. Whatever. That lasted precisely two rounds -- then Rucker comes off the board. I'll believe it when I see it. We're going to have to agree to disagree here FM. I'm with you on the babysitting angle, but at some point actions have to speak louder than words. If you don't want to deal with a bunch of idiots all season long, don't draft athletes who "could" become players. Take Reggie McNeal and Frostee Rucker and AJ Nicholson off the draft board. And you better be really sure of guys like Thurman and Henry.Sure, it's just a little pot and it's the offseason, but Johnathan Joseph's arrest is horrible. Marvin Lewis has his hand in every minute detail. He wouldn't have taken the job otherwise. The quotes from the vets are telling. It's starts at the top. Get it under control.
 
Appreciate the book, but sparing a bit of time...

Will the Bengals release or trade Odel Thurman? If they trade him, what are they looking for in return or asking for?

Thanks!
Sorry about the book.IMO, still no way to know what they'll do with Thurman. No way they can trade him. Who wants to give up anything of value for a risk like Thurman? If you believe what's currently coming out of Lewis' mouth, it doesn't sound like the Bengals want Thurman around in 2007.

Geoff Hobson from Bengals.com speculation from Sept 2006.

The suspension is apparently retroactive to his original suspension of July 11. He can apply to the commissioner for early reinstatement in a bid to participate in the spring camps. According to NFL policy, Thurman can only be on the Bengals' premises if he's visiting his treatment clinician, but apparently that won't happen.
Nothing I've read since suggests otherwise. Still, the Bengals seem to find ways to get their talented troublemakers back on the field, so anything's possible. We'll probably get our first indication around May minicamp time. I'd think Marvin would want Thurman back on the field ASAP to get caught up and back with the program. If he's still nowhere to be found then and hasn't made an effort at early re-instatement, I think it's much more likely that the Bengals will be planning to release him.

 
Here's a really cool link to an interactive page with a comprehensive look at the Bengals' cap situation taken from Lance McCallister's blog. Can't necessarily vouch for its accuracy but it's so well put together that it looks legit.

Gives all 07 cap numbers and consequences if a given player is released. According to the site, before RFA tenders, 07 draft pick costs, and FA moves, the Bengals are a little over 24 million under the cap. There's also a What If? tab where you can remove current players and play around with RFAs and such to see what it does to the cap.

If the site is correct, these veterans might be prime candidates for a cap ax, restructure, etc.

Deltha O'Neal 2M cap savings

Brian Simmons 2.8M cap savings

John Thornton 3.124M cap savings

 
Who are the projected starters for the Bengals OL in 2007? I know R. Braham retired and E. Steinbach is UFA....I will assume B. Williams, L. Jones, & W. Anderson are 3 of the 5. Who will the other G and C be?

 
Who are the projected starters for the Bengals OL in 2007? I know R. Braham retired and E. Steinbach is UFA....I will assume B. Williams, L. Jones, & W. Anderson are 3 of the 5. Who will the other G and C be?
Most likely:LT Levi JonesLG Andrew WhitworthC Eric GhiaciucRG Bobbie WilliamsRT Willie AndersonPossible that Ben Wilkerson at center and Stacy Andrews at LG could work their way into the mix but both are more likely to be depth.
 
I saw that they signed Kooistra long term...I guess he will be in the mix as well. Was just curious how the line could impact passing/rushing stats at this point. Thanks

 
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I saw that they signed Kooistra long term...I guess he will be in the mix as well. Was just curious how the line could impact passing/rushing stats at this point. Thanks
Good depth at a couple positions, especially since both tackles have been dinged, and knows the system. Losing Steinbach, a premier pulling guard, will be tough on the rushing offense. I don't think the pass blocking will be much worse. If Ghiaciuc can become more comfortable with line calls (and everybody stays healthy), it could be back to what it was in 2005.
 
Who are the projected starters for the Bengals OL in 2007? I know R. Braham retired and E. Steinbach is UFA....I will assume B. Williams, L. Jones, & W. Anderson are 3 of the 5. Who will the other G and C be?
Most likely:LT Levi JonesLG Andrew WhitworthC Eric GhiaciucRG Bobbie WilliamsRT Willie AndersonPossible that Ben Wilkerson at center and Stacy Andrews at LG could work their way into the mix but both are more likely to be depth.
I'd love to see Wilkerson step up... he was a stud in college.
 
2. Make Landon Johnson a priority.

He's the most reliable and versatile backer the Bengals have rostered. Extend him or tender him a big number. His play on the strong side was just good enough to suggest he could fit at RILB in a 3-4. He's a great fit at the Will in a 4-3 and is just as good a player as Brian Simmons right now, probably better.
Rotoworld:
The Bengals have not approached Landon Johnson about a contract extension yet this off-season.

Johnson had been the steadiest linebacker of the six drafted under Marvin Lewis, but he can probably be retained with a one-year tender offer as a restricted free agent. The Bengals may approach Johnson about an extension after the draft.
There's not a chance of it not happening, is there (Jene)?
 
An interesting article regarding the Bengals draft needs. Clearly defensive back field is a needed upgrade. If they can get some help here, improved LB play and a more consistent pass rush then they might have a chance to improve overall. They could be a contender with a defensive ranking of 16:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...180407/1066/SPT

Secondary among primary concerns

Scouting at the combine: What the Bengals need

BY MARK CURNUTTE | MCURNUTTE@ENQUIRER.COM

The Bengals were 8-8 in 2006, their third .500 season in four under Marvin Lewis. How do they need to bolster the roster in the 2007offseason?

Defensive backfield

The Bengals slumped to No. 31 in pass defense and gave up plays in front of them and behind them.

Cornerback Tory James, an unrestricted free agent, is unlikely to return; he got old fast.

Second-year player Johnathan Joseph is ready to start opposite Deltha O'Neal, who had a disappointing and terribly inconsistent season in 2006 after tying for the NFL lead with 10 interceptions in 2005.

Pitt's Darrelle Revis and Cal's Daymeion Hughes (who plays like fellow Golden Bear O'Neal) are cornerbacks thought to be on Cincinnati's radar.

At safety, when Dexter Jackson went down to injury, the run defense suffered. The Bengals need to develop an additional solid strong safety who can play well close to the line of scrimmage. Re-signing heady Kevin Kaesviharn would help, too, though he's better with fewer snaps and in specialty situations.

Virginia Tech's Aaron Rouse, at 213 pounds, is a former linebacker who plays the run well.

Linebacker

For all of their investment in draft picks at linebacker - six in the past four years - the Bengals are still unsettled there.

The unlikely Cincinnati return of Odell Thurman, serving a one-year suspension for a third violation of the NFL substance abuse policy, coupled with David Pollack's broken neck, leave the Bengals still searching for quality players and the right combination.

The team, as of January, has not been trying to extend solid and steady Landon Johnson, who will be an unrestricted free agent after the 2007 season. Instead, Johnson will receive a one-year tender offer.

Depending on the offseason development of Ahmad Brooks, a natural inside linebacker, the Bengals could be looking for the likes of Mississippi's Patrick Willis, a high-character, pro-ready player who could be available at No. 18 in the first round.

Tight end

With starter Reggie Kelly and backup Tony Stewart both unrestricted free agents, the Bengals might look to add a quality pass-catcher.

Though both Kelly and Stewart are solid blockers, consummate pros and special teams players, neither is a dangerous receiver.

The University of Miami's Greg Olsen is a talented receiver working to improve his blocking. Early in Day 2, Iowa's Scott Chandler or Minnesota's Scott Spaeth could be available.

 
Another story about character. I really hope they make a serious attempt to draft better character players that can play ball. I understand the need to take risks 2-3 years ago. But I don't think they need to do that anymore. It blew up in their face and it's time to correct that mistake:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...180406/1066/SPT

Bengals say character counts

Team will look for defensive standouts, good guys at scouting combine

BY MARK CURNUTTE | MCURNUTTE@ENQUIRER.COM

Preparation for the NFL draft hits high gear this week when the annual scouting combine starts in Indianapolis. The draft is April 28 and 29.

And despite pressing needs on defense, compared to few on offense, the Bengals will continue to look to add the best player available - regardless of position, coach Marvin Lewis told The Enquirer.

Player interviews and workouts - speed, agility and strength - will start Thursday at the Indiana Convention Center and RCA Dome.

"Certain positions, where we have established veteran players at a (high) level of compensation, we don't look to be drafting there," said Lewis.

Lewis mentioned quarterback and wide receiver as two of those positions.

"You have to be careful and conscious of that - not getting skewed (too much salary-cap space on one side of the ball), not being too one-sided," he said.

The production and money are both weighted to the offense. The need is on defense, where the Bengals were inconsistent against the run and ranked 31st against the pass in 2006.

The Bengals, stung by nine player arrests in the past 14 months, also will make player character a higher priority in 2007, club president Mike Brown told The Enquirer in an exclusive interview.

Still, when asked about Brown's comments regarding the importance of character, Lewis said: "It's always been. You can't control what happens."

The Bengals will put great effort into finding players who can contribute immediately.

One such player was cornerback Johnathan Joseph, their first-round pick in 2006.

Joseph is one of the six of 16 draft picks from 2005 and 2006 to be arrested since Jan. 1, 2006. He was arrested for marijuana possession in January.

"We've had a bad run where these guys have tripped us up and given us a bad name," Lewis said.

And affected the team on the field: big-play linebacker Odell Thurman, the team's second-round pick in 2005 and its leading tackler that season, is serving a one-year suspension for a third violation of the league substance abuse policy.

Wideout Chris Henry, arrested four times in three states since December 2005, already served a two-game league suspension during the 2006 season and could face more time off courtesy of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

The hope inside the Bengals organization is that one-time and multiple offenders alike will learn their lessons.

Lewis has talked to his players.

To Joseph, a surprise first-time offender, Lewis said: "You're risking your life. You need to understand it. Hopefully, you getting pulled over will save your life in the long run. It's not a good thing. You're associating yourself with bad people."

So it remains to be seen whether the Bengals will pass on players with character issues in their background or favor players with reputations for being solid citizens.

NFLDraftScout.com analyst Rob Rang thinks there are talented players in the draft who are appealing because they achieve high marks for behavior off the field.

One is Louisville defensive tackle Amobi Okoye, who is only 19 years old but learning fast. Rang has the Bengals picking Okoye in the first round. Okoye has had an impressive offseason.

At 312 pounds, the Nigerian is best against the run and known for his ability to make quick reads and stay on his feet.

"And his character ranking is off the charts," Rang said.

If the Bengals go for an inside linebacker, Mississippi's Patrick Willie is the best available and should still be on the board at No. 18 in the first round.

One of the best positions in the draft is defensive end, but the Bengals' offseason investments of a potential $33 million over six years in Robert Geathers and $8.6 million in using the franchise tag on Justin Smith make the selection of a defensive end unlikely.

More likely would be help at linebacker and in the secondary, where starting cornerback Tory James is not expected back - his contract expires March 2 - and the performance of Deltha O'Neal is all or nothing.

The key will be finding the right player to fit the Bengals' system.

"There are very few guys in this draft who are all-around great players," NFLDraftScout.com expert Rang said. "But there are guys who are very good at what they do. It is a year of specialty players."

Besides newcomers, the Bengals also should be able to count on increased contributions from recent draft picks.

The Bengals will draft 18th in the first round. They have no third-round pick after selecting former Virginia linebacker Ahmad Brooks in the supplemental draft in July.

Brooks is among the players being counted on to produce more as they gain experience.

For example, what will the Bengals get from third-round 2006 defensive end Frostee Rucker, who missed all of his rookie season on the injured reserve list? What about seventh-round wide receiver Bennie Brazell, who dazzled early in training camp before suffering a hamstring injury? What about fifth-round linebacker A.J. Nicholson, who was charged with theft in May 2006, just a month after the draft, and missed most of his rookie season?

The Bengals are counting on more on-field contributions and less off-field distractions from recent picks.

"You build your team through the draft," Lewis said.

 
2. Make Landon Johnson a priority.

He's the most reliable and versatile backer the Bengals have rostered. Extend him or tender him a big number. His play on the strong side was just good enough to suggest he could fit at RILB in a 3-4. He's a great fit at the Will in a 4-3 and is just as good a player as Brian Simmons right now, probably better.
Rotoworld:
The Bengals have not approached Landon Johnson about a contract extension yet this off-season.

Johnson had been the steadiest linebacker of the six drafted under Marvin Lewis, but he can probably be retained with a one-year tender offer as a restricted free agent. The Bengals may approach Johnson about an extension after the draft.
There's not a chance of it not happening, is there (Jene)?
I don't think so. Little surprising to me but I don't think it's as big an issue as the blurb makes it sound. He'll be tendered highly and/or signed before minicamp I'd guess. With the uncertainty surrounding so many of their backers, there's no way they don't keep Johnson around.
 
Resigned - Watson and Kelly

Gone - Steinbach, Simmons and Wilkins

Exciting free agency this year. :blackdot:

 
Kelly Agrees To Stay A Bengal. Team also interested in Ramsey.

:lmao:

This is a big signing - Kelly is a top-flight run-blocking tight end and has a huge presence in the locker room. Great to see Palmer step up and successfully lobby Reggie to stay for a number that seems pretty cap-friendly.

It looks like they also want to get Patrick Ramsey in as their number 2 (Doug Johnson resigned as #3. Anthony Wright has not resigned as yet.

They haven't been exciting, but they've been going about things in a solid business-like way.

-QG

 
Fire Marvin Lewis! Ive had enough of him! This is about the worst draft in the history of the Bengals what a joke!

 

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