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i've been saying this since i left the superbowl in SD. the godfather must step down, aka die. who will replace him? is there anyone even remotely groomed to take over when the jump suited one finally eats that orange wedge?

 
DA RAIDERS said:
i've been saying this since i left the superbowl in SD. the godfather must step down, aka die. who will replace him? is there anyone even remotely groomed to take over when the jump suited one finally eats that orange wedge?
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Negative. The article says that his family will be charged with finding someone to run the team after he passes. Whomever it is, he can't be ANY worse than Davis.
 
I'm not a Raiders fan, but I'm interested in seeing how things go with Kiffin at the Helm. I see a lot of speculation on who they should pick with the #1 pick in the draft.

After watching several games last year I'm wondering, how can they draft anybody other than Joe Thomas, #1? Their Defense was actually pretty nasty. And while their skilled position players may all seem sort of disenfranchised, their O-Line looked like a High School squad last season. If they don't upgrade their line in a major way they are in trouble, no matter what talent you put around it. I think if you put that O-Line on the Colts this season, Indy wouldn't have made the play-offs. Just awful.

Of course if they can make a splash in FA and get a couple reputable bodies maybe you can look at a QB or WR.

Whats the word out in the Bay?

 
Mahoney said:
I'm not a Raiders fan, but I'm interested in seeing how things go with Kiffin at the Helm. I see a lot of speculation on who they should pick with the #1 pick in the draft. After watching several games last year I'm wondering, how can they draft anybody other than Joe Thomas, #1? Their Defense was actually pretty nasty. And while their skilled position players may all seem sort of disenfranchised, their O-Line looked like a High School squad last season. If they don't upgrade their line in a major way they are in trouble, no matter what talent you put around it. I think if you put that O-Line on the Colts this season, Indy wouldn't have made the play-offs. Just awful. Of course if they can make a splash in FA and get a couple reputable bodies maybe you can look at a QB or WR.Whats the word out in the Bay?
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Well the last time the Raiders drafted a QB in the 1st round that didn't work out so well (Marijuanavich), so I suspect Al might be a little gun-shy on Quinn. Joe Thomas would certainly be the most sensible pick, which means I predict they'll take Calvin Johnson. Until I see otherwise, we all know Al has a woody for speedy guys.
 
Draft Thomas, sign Garcia and draft a QB? :confused:

Let Jeff run around back there for a couple years while the new guy watches and learns.

If they can shore up the O line, that would cure ALOT of ills. They've got some playmakers in Moss and Porter. Jordan isn't washed up.

 
I have a feeling the pick is going to be either Calvin Johnson or Adrian Peterson. The Raiders need a QB, but Al has shown in the past that he would rather get a veteran through FA then draft a rookie QB. Walter's poor performance just reinforces his belief in not drafting a QB.

 
i'd like to see us trade down & include porter or moss in the trade & get blaylock(TX) or brown(PSU) plus a garret/ginn type skill player. get the qb later or out of FA. i wouldn't mind garcia at all. in fact if they do go russell they should get garcia regardless to let russell sit & learn.

 
i just found out that the raiders played the 2nd toughest schedule in the NFL last year. :no: .555 opponents win percentage. ten was .570 well that might explain 1-2 losses :suds:

 
Great article, interesting viewpoint -- I can always count on Raidernation to not let homerism get in the way of honest and insightful criticism of a team that has had a rough four years, this last year roughest of all.

But for all of the criticism heaped on the team, and especially Davis, a bigger picture is being missed. The NFL, despite its parity, is still cyclical. We've seen down cycles in the mid to late 80s, and again in the mid to late 90s, and now again for a similar stretch of years.

To weather this, and all the slings and arrows being hurled at the organization and at Davis especially, I don't think it's bad for Davis to bring up the tradition and success this team has had over the years -- hey, from 67 to 85, they only failed to get into the playoffs 4 times, were in 12 conference championships, and won three Superbowls.

Mentioning this does not make Davis some delusional King Lear, ranting in madness over time passed. Rather, it makes me think he is doing what any leader should -- try to instill some pride and poise back into a club that has become the laughing stock of the league.

You need to start rebuilding somewhere, and I think relying on the club's brand, reputation, and history is a great place to start. Hopefully, following this up by getting a young coach whose strength really seems to be in recruiting and managing talent early will be a good operational move that will help rebuild the club from a personnel perspective.

Time will tell. In the meantime, I will try instill some optimism and homerism back into the Raider faithful with a little blast from the past. With the Bears in the Superbowl, let's not forget which team came up with the best cheesy mid 80s rap theme.

Enjoy

We wear the Silver, we wear the Black.

 
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By Steve Corkran

CONTRA COSTA TIMES

New Raiders coach Lane Kiffin made his first significant move by

offering Greg Knapp the offensive coordinator position, according to a

person familiar with the process.

Knapp, 43, spent the past three seasons in a similar capacity with the

Atlanta Falcons. He got fired, along with coach Jim Mora, after the

Falcons failed to make the playoffs for the second straight season.

The Raiders hired Kiffin on Monday to replace deposed coach Art Shell.

Kiffin said Tuesday at his introductory news conference that he had in

mind some candidates to replace ousted offensive coordinators Tom Walsh

and John Shoop.

Knapp did not return a phone call. The Raiders did not release any

details about the offer made to Knapp.

Another person familiar with the process said Knapp hadn't decided

whether to accept the offer as of Thursday night.

A possible sticking point might be that Kiffin said he intends to call

his own plays. Raiders managing general partner Al Davis said Kiffin's

ability to handle the play-calling duties played a key role in Kiffin's

hiring.

Therefore, Knapp's role likely would be that of an adviser to Kiffin,

who lacks NFL experience and would benefit from having a sounding board

while he learns the nuances of the pro game.

Shoop left the Raiders for the offensive coordinator vacancy at the

University of North Carolina earlier this month. Walsh has one year

remaining on his contract, though he won't be asked to reprise the role

he held through 11 games last season.

Kiffin also extended an offer to former Falcons offensive line coach Tom

Cable, a person familiar with the process said. He coached at six

colleges, including Cal, from 1990-2005 before he signed with the

Falcons last season.

Cable likely would replace current offensive line coaches Jackie Slater

and Irv Eatman, the person said.

However, Slater and Eatman remain under contract, so it's conceivable

that they will just be reassigned.

The Raiders scored a league-worst 168 points last season. Their offense

scored only 12 touchdowns in 16 games, a statistic that Davis called

"unbelievably bad."

Knapp interviewed for the Raiders coaching vacancy in 2004 but withdrew

his name from consideration once Mora got hired one day later. Knapp

followed Mora to Atlanta after spending nine seasons with the 49ers.

Knapp interviewed with the Cleveland Browns about their offensive

coordinator's job, but he got passed over.

The Raiders and San Diego Chargers are the lone teams without offensive

coordinators at this point.
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By Ann KillionMercury NewsAt first, I wondered why that fresh-faced young intern had boldlywandered onstage with Raiders owner Al Davis and chief executive Amy Trask.Oops. That was the new coach of the Oakland Raiders, Lane Kiffin.He was easy to overlook because he was sitting next to someoneimpossible to ignore. The young man and the old man sat side by side andspoke of leading the Raiders back to greatness.The young man awkwardly sounded like he was reading from an unfamiliarscript. The old man was reciting the same words he has growled for fourdecades.The young man, in response to questions about the Raiders' recenthorrors, woodenly channeled Mark McGwire and said he wasn't there totalk about the past. That's fair; at 31 and with a scant résumé, thereisn't much to discuss.The old man, on the other hand, talked primarily about the past. Aboutwhen he was at USC in 1959. About the anniversary of the 1976 Super Bowlteam. About the Raider greats in the room -- also old now.The problem is both guys have it wrong. The past is crucial. But not thepast Davis likes to talk about. The important past is the last fouryears, when the Raiders have been the worst team in the league.Kiffin needs to know what has to be fixed. Davis needs to acknowledgehow deep the problems run. He doesn't want to do that. That became clearwhen I asked Kiffin how it would be different for him in the black holeof coaching. Davis answered instead.``I take that as an affront,'' Davis said, taking issue with mygeneralization of eight coaching changes in about a decade. (Actually,it has been 12 seasons. Davis later, amusingly, agreed to play nice andcall it 11.) But Davis didn't want to acknowledge that no matter how youslice it -- eight coaches in 12 years, seven coaches in 10 years, 15wins in four seasons -- the Raiders have been a disaster for a very longtime.Is Kiffin the right guy to lead the Raiders to -- forget greatness --how about .500? We don't know. We're glad he's a new look. We figure heknows about talented, highly paid athletes from his time at USC. We knowthe last time the Raiders went young, it worked out.But first impressions are important, and Kiffin didn't make much of one.He had none of Jon Gruden's wink-wink demeanor. With Gruden -- who usedself-deprecating humor to balance the Raiders' bizarre culture -- youalways knew he understood what was required and was playing along.Kiffin's only flash of humor came after I asked him if he had turned toGruden -- his father's boss with the Buccaneers -- for advice.``The last person I talked to was Jon Gruden,'' Kiffin said. ``I calledand asked if he was interested in being the offensive coordinator.''That drew Kiffin's biggest -- well, actually his only -- laugh of theday. He added that he didn't actually talk with Gruden about the job,which seems kind of strange for a detail guy who knows the formerRaiders coach.Kiffin didn't get a lot of laughs, but he said a lot of funny things.That the Raiders players will play happy and will play hard. That thegame will be easy because practice will be so hard. That he wasextremely excited ``that I was Al Davis' first choice to be the Raiderscoach.''That last point was part of the spin of the day, a gyration that hastransformed Steve Sarkisian's rejection of the Raiders into Kiffin beingthe first choice all along. That second-choice perception is just onehurdle Kiffin has to overcome.So is his defensive players' loyalty to coordinator Rob Ryan, who didn'tget a sniff for the job. So is the joy emanating from Trojan Nation overKiffin's departure, since USC fans blame Kiffin for failing to win thepast two national championships.The biggest hurdle is that Raiders past he so doesn't want to talk about.But the day wasn't really about Kiffin. As always when he appears inpublic, it was about Davis.Davis was, as ever, fascinating, combative, revealing. He peppered hispost-news conference remarks with the F-word, insinuated that he wantedto draft Matt Leinart last year, and called last season ``a year ofinfamy.''Every time Davis talks it is high theater. Every time he talks I realizewhat an original he is, and how boring the NFL will be without him. It'salways more entertaining when the Raiders are relevant.So, good luck, Kiffin. It would be great to have the Raiders back in therealm of the living. But it's hard to imagine how a 31-year-old ingenuecan gain credibility with his players. Not when the legendary Davis isat the controls.At the end of the formal news conference the lights mysteriously wentout. The room became a black -- dare I say? -- hole. When the lightscame on, Kiffin had vanished -- apparently winging his way to the SeniorBowl. But Davis was still at the podium, willing to hold court forseveral more minutes, to scold reporters and provide a window into histhinking.The new coach wasn't missed. Not at all.
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http://www.insidebayarea.com

Column by Carl Steward

LET'S CUT to the quick: I love the hire of Lane Kiffin by the Oakland

Raiders. It should go without saying they were exceedingly lucky to get him.

Yes, I've digested all the negative scuttlebutt. That a few people from

his past have labeled him a colorless jerk. That he's hard on players

and has had more than his share of disputes with them. That Norm Chow

recently slighted his abilities on an L.A. radio show. That USC alums,

whining about his conservative game plans, are glad he's gone.

In the face of all that, Kiffin somehow established himself as one of

the most sought-after young coaches in the country. In just the past two

years, he has been mentioned and/or courted for a plethora of jobs,

either as a coordinator or a head coach: Nebraska, Colorado, Minnesota,

Florida State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Miami and most recently Alabama,

wooed by none other than Nick Saban.

Yet Kiffin chose the Raiders ... the broken-down, problem-plagued,

alternate-universe Raiders. Why? He could have waited, taken over a

more secure college program with a lot less to fix and worked his way to

the NFL the traditional way.

Nope. Instead, he elected to reach for the stars in that alternate

universe, a football crab nebula in the minds of many. At the tender age

of 31, he made a huge, risky career choice, albeit one that offers a

potentially great reward if he succeeds.

But it says something Kiffin wanted this when there was no cause to be

desperate. It said something to Davis, and powerfully, about the

incredible intangible this kid has.

"Confidence," Davis said. "He thinks he can do it."

Taking on the Raiders goes beyond confidence, whether it's rooted in

bravado or sheer delusion. There's a sense of ambition at work here

that's almost frightening, eerily similar to that a certain USC

assistant, who when passed over for the head coaching job at USC in

1959, went to the bushes of the early AFL with a passion of a barracuda

and built himself an empire.

Little wonder that Davis, that one-time USC assistant, quickly became

enraptured with this kid's self-assurance and his clear vision. Jon

Gruden comparisons are inevitable, but Kiffin appears much closer to the

relentlessly aspiring Mike Shanahan model. The key difference may be

that Kiffin has more buffers to lean on for sage advice — Pete Carroll,

Jeff Tedford, his own father, Monte Kiffin — than Shanahan ever did.

He also has Davis' faith going for him, too, at least at the moment. The

belief here is that Al will give Kiffin an unprecedented loose tether in

order that his latest and probably last protege's dreams and designs can

be maximized. He'd be wise to do so, in fact, if he expects his new man

to pull off this daunting quest.

Even at 31, though, Kiffin is better equipped to get it done right than

any of the three previous coaches. Here are just a few things that

should get changed and improve immediately under his leadership.

-Energy and vitality. Players know the real deal when they see it, and

Kiffin's intense drive to succeed should be infectious.

-Organization and attention to detail. Kiffin's tough words about hard

practices were good to hear. But really, it's efficiency of practice —

something Gruden was so good at and Kiffin's teachers, Carroll and

Tedford, are noted for — that will make all the difference.

-The offensive line. C'mon, the guy is coming from USC. When he reviews

the 2006 tapes, Kiffin will learn this is his first priority and address

it, not only by hiring the best teaching O-line coaches he can find but

also putting linemen in better position to succeed through a far more

progressive offense.

-Play-calling. Goodness, how could this not be better from any way you

want to look at it? Imagination, utilization of skill personnel,

red-zone strategy, formations, balance, boldness. If you saw the Trojans

against Arkansas, Cal, Notre Dame and Michigan, you understand this guy

knows offense.

-Talent evaluation and drafting. As USC's head recruiter, Kiffin should

have a great feel for the current talent available in the draft. It

couldn't come at a better time. He'll not only know whether Adrian

Peterson or Marshawn Lynch might be a better fit, but also whether the

Raiders might be better suited taking a quarterback with the top pick.

Whatever Oakland does with the No.1 choice, Davis intimated Kiffin will

have a lot of clout getting his way on it.

-Head coaching savvy. Kiffin likely will be bullish and in-your-face as

a leader, but also forthright and honest. Whether it works on Randy Moss

or Jerry Porter has been overdramatized, because if they're not on board

with this guy, they will be replaced ... only this time, not with Alvis

Whitted or Johnnie Morant. The real key is the whole of the offense

believing in your program. By studying Carroll and other top coaches,

Kiffin seems to grasp that.

He seems to grasp a lot, including why he wanted this particular

tractor-pull of a job even if we don't. Whether Kiffin flies or flops,

it should be fascinating to watch him work. The bet here is that he soars.
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Can I get a show of hands....

Do you guys mind me posting articles, or would you rather just keep it to discussions?

Don't want to waste your time or mine. :unsure:

 
RAIDERNATION said:
Can I get a show of hands....Do you guys mind me posting articles, or would you rather just keep it to discussions?Don't want to waste your time or mine. :unsure:
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I thought it was a good read... but I am a Bronco fan too, so...But really, I got the exact same impression from the same moments as the writer. Best of luck, Raider Nation.
 
There are too many things in these articles I agee with. However, Chucky was going home to Florida no matter what. Chucky made that clear himself. For Al to get such a large ransom for a coach...a coach, not a player, but a coach. And a coach that was leaving anyways, was unprecidented and will not ever be repeated again. Yes, I'd rather have Chucky 1 more year and a super bowl victory then all those draft picks and the 2+ million dollars. However that is hindsight. In business, if you know your guy is leaving and you can get that much for him, instead of letting him leave for free, you have to do it.

F'ing Al's pride. Just like in Pulp Fiction. That's just pride F'ing with you..F pride. Al needed to F pride and keep Chucky that last season. Again, hindsight.

Yes, I'm torn. We got great compensation that has never been given and never will again for a coach. But what a price to pay. :unsure: :D :no:

 
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BlackHole said:
There are too many things in these articles I agee with. However, Chucky was going home to Florida no matter what. Chucky made that clear himself.
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This gets conveniently forgotten anytime Gruden's departure gets brought up. Oakland was never his dream job, he was looking to the next gig from the get-go. Funny how we have yet to hear Gruden confirm that he couldn't work with Davis. He has yet to say anything of the sort.I never held it against him, though. When the Notre Dame rumors came up, I remember thinking, hey, it's Notre Dame, if a guy wants that job, and it's been a dream, fine.I wish he had stayed to finish the job in Oakland, but never had any ill will towards him. I certainly don't think he should have gotten final say over personnel. And his performance in Tampa hasn't really changed my mind.RAIDERNATION, keep the articles coming. Even if we've read them, it'll spark convo if nothing else.
 
Agreed. I was VERY bitter about Gruden leaving at the time, but his performance in TB has not been very inspiring. Yeah he won it all, but with a team that pretty much had all the pieces in place anyway.

It's certainly possible that had Gruden stayed in Oaktown one last year the Raiders would've won the SB. It's equally possible they would've flamed out in the first round.

 
Stompin said:
Great article, interesting viewpoint -- I can always count on Raidernation to not let homerism get in the way of honest and insightful criticism of a team that has had a rough four years, this last year roughest of all.

But for all of the criticism heaped on the team, and especially Davis, a bigger picture is being missed. The NFL, despite its parity, is still cyclical. We've seen down cycles in the mid to late 80s, and again in the mid to late 90s, and now again for a similar stretch of years.

To weather this, and all the slings and arrows being hurled at the organization and at Davis especially, I don't think it's bad for Davis to bring up the tradition and success this team has had over the years -- hey, from 67 to 85, they only failed to get into the playoffs 4 times, were in 12 conference championships, and won three Superbowls.

Mentioning this does not make Davis some delusional King Lear, ranting in madness over time passed. Rather, it makes me think he is doing what any leader should -- try to instill some pride and poise back into a club that has become the laughing stock of the league.

You need to start rebuilding somewhere, and I think relying on the club's brand, reputation, and history is a great place to start. Hopefully, following this up by getting a young coach whose strength really seems to be in recruiting and managing talent early will be a good operational move that will help rebuild the club from a personnel perspective.

Time will tell. In the meantime, I will try instill some optimism and homerism back into the Raider faithful with a little blast from the past. With the Bears in the Superbowl, let's not forget which team came up with the best cheesy mid 80s rap theme.

Enjoy

We wear the Silver, we wear the Black.
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Dude, brought a tear to my eye watching that. Thanks. :hot: Lester Hayes, Mike Haynes, Marcus Allen, Todd Christensen....man, those were the days. :shrug:

Howie Long ROCKS!!

 
I just hope the Raiders don't draft one of the top offensive players with the #1 pick because I honestly think that guy will never amount to much in the NFL as long as he's with Davis' Raiders.

 
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I just hope the Raiders don't draft one of the top offensive players with the #1 pick because I honestly think that guy will never amount to much in the NFL as long as he's with Davis' Raiders.
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What's the plan, just draft defense, and punt on first down?If it's all the same to you, I'd like to see them improve the offense.
 
The articles are a great read, keep 'em coming.

As I have posted elsewhere and frequently, the Raider glory days are over until Davis turns over the reigns. I am not a fan of Davis due to all the trouble he caused the league, but he was a great owner once. Unfortunately for Raider fans, the last time he was a great owner was the mid 80's, over 20 years ago.

 
Saints-Man said:
The articles are a great read, keep 'em coming.As I have posted elsewhere and frequently, the Raider glory days are over until Davis turns over the reigns. I am not a fan of Davis due to all the trouble he caused the league, but he was a great owner once. Unfortunately for Raider fans, the last time he was a great owner was the mid 80's, over 20 years ago.
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So the division championships and SB appearance under Gruden didn't happen?
 
Saints-Man said:
The articles are a great read, keep 'em coming.As I have posted elsewhere and frequently, the Raider glory days are over until Davis turns over the reigns. I am not a fan of Davis due to all the trouble he caused the league, but he was a great owner once. Unfortunately for Raider fans, the last time he was a great owner was the mid 80's, over 20 years ago.
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A fresh new perspective. Thanks.
 
Autumn Wind said:
Saints-Man said:
The articles are a great read, keep 'em coming.As I have posted elsewhere and frequently, the Raider glory days are over until Davis turns over the reigns. I am not a fan of Davis due to all the trouble he caused the league, but he was a great owner once. Unfortunately for Raider fans, the last time he was a great owner was the mid 80's, over 20 years ago.
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So the division championships and SB appearance under Gruden didn't happen?
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They most certainly did. However if you look at his record over the last 20 years and last 5 years(both excluding the 2006 season), his teams are averaging a .500 record. That is average. Nothing special.Since 1983, here are some of the teams that have made the Super Bowl:CincinnatiSan DiegoAtlantaTennesseeand other 1 time SB teams. The teams listed above are noted for their poor ownership.You also mentioned Gruden. As the articles allude, Al can't stand a successful coach. He will run him out of town. If Davis was such a great owner, how do you let your best coach in a decade go?
 
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You also mentioned Gruden. As the articles allude, Al can't stand a successful coach. He will run him out of town. If Davis was such a great owner, how do you let your best coach in a decade go?
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Is Bob Kraft a bad owner for letting Parcells go?Look, I get what you're saying. The Raiders have some problems. But if you got nothing new, just post them in the other Raider threads with non-fans spouting the same regurgitated mantras they read online. There's plenty to choose from.
 
massraider said:
Saints-Man said:
You also mentioned Gruden. As the articles allude, Al can't stand a successful coach. He will run him out of town. If Davis was such a great owner, how do you let your best coach in a decade go?
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Is Bob Kraft a bad owner for letting Parcells go?Look, I get what you're saying. The Raiders have some problems. But if you got nothing new, just post them in the other Raider threads with non-fans spouting the same regurgitated mantras they read online. There's plenty to choose from.
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My posts referrenced comments mentioned in the articles that were posted in this thread.
 
Saints-Man said:
massraider said:
Saints-Man said:
You also mentioned Gruden. As the articles allude, Al can't stand a successful coach. He will run him out of town. If Davis was such a great owner, how do you let your best coach in a decade go?
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Is Bob Kraft a bad owner for letting Parcells go?Look, I get what you're saying. The Raiders have some problems. But if you got nothing new, just post them in the other Raider threads with non-fans spouting the same regurgitated mantras they read online. There's plenty to choose from.
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My posts referrenced comments mentioned in the articles that were posted in this thread.
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Fair enough
 
Oh oh....

From KFFL:

(Rotowolrd)Randy Moss is believed to have told Lane Kiffin that he wasn't interested in talking to his new coach when Kiffin tried to contact him this week.

Impact: The story, claiming Moss used "profane and pointed terms" in a brief phone conversation, was whispered about at the Senior Bowl and discussed on two ESPN Radio shows, but never reported by a person. If true, this could be Moss' first step in forcing his way out of Oakland.

 
kaso said:
Oh oh....From KFFL:(Rotowolrd)Randy Moss is believed to have told Lane Kiffin that he wasn't interested in talking to his new coach when Kiffin tried to contact him this week.Impact: The story, claiming Moss used "profane and pointed terms" in a brief phone conversation, was whispered about at the Senior Bowl and discussed on two ESPN Radio shows, but never reported by a person. If true, this could be Moss' first step in forcing his way out of Oakland.
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Fine with me. Make the trade. Or cut him. Whatever.
 
Here's some more detail on this rumor: ink

The story making the rounds at the Senior Bowl is that Lane Kiffin's first attempt at establishing a rapport with Randy Moss didn't go too well. Think Shell vs. Porter. That confrontation, in the office of the head coach some 10 or 11 months ago, was the first crack in the foundation of the Shell regime. Kiffin, by contrast, supposedly had trouble reaching Moss by phone. When he finally did, as the story goes, Moss told him in a pointed, profane terms he wasn't interested in talking.

It's been reported on a pair of ESPN radio interviews, and a source at the Senior Bowl confirms Kiffin vs. Moss was indeed a topic of discussion among coaches, scouts and personnel men in Mobile, Ala. It's worth noting that no one has gone on the record with this story as of yet. Like the party game in which a story is whispered in the ear of one and passed down the line until it ends up being something completely different or exaggerated, maybe it's not as serious as it sounds. But considering the way Moss acted last season, it certainly sounds possible.

The history of the Raiders new coach is that he addresses situations decisively, choosing a course of action then moving ahead, confident in his convictions. That he can sell an idea and is confident enough (some call it arrogant) to make it work..............

...............Family members, as well as friends and colleagues, have the utmost confidence Kiffin is up to handling even the most difficult veteran players. David Watson, a USC assistant coach who went to high school with Kiffin, said his friend has dealt with all manner of personalities with the Trojans. John Reaves, a former Florida quarterback who played nine years in the NFL and happens to be Kiffin's father-in-law, said Kiffin will have no problem taking a problem player "to the woodshed.''

Kiffin has two choices with Moss. He can either keep working to make nice, or tell Al Davis that the highest-salaried player on the team threatens to undermine his program before it starts. If Moss indeed cursed Kiffin right off the bat, he may be doing the Raiders a favor. It's better for Moss to create an impossible situation and attempt to force at trade early than for him to show up, pretend to care, then turn off the spigot at his leisure.

It's possible that to have Moss insubordinate and uncooperative from Day 1 could be the first big break of the Kiffin regime becuase it could spur Davis to get rid of him. The problem is Davis wants top dollar for top talent, and Moss has been so indifferent his value is at an all-time low.
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Ed Wood said:
Draft Thomas, sign Garcia and draft a QB? :rolleyes: Let Jeff run around back there for a couple years while the new guy watches and learns.
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Garcia said he'd rather be a backup on a good team than a starter on a bad one. He doesn't want to go through what he went through in Detroit and Cleveland again. So I just don't see him going to the Raiders.
 
massraider said:
kaso said:
Oh oh....From KFFL:(Rotowolrd)Randy Moss is believed to have told Lane Kiffin that he wasn't interested in talking to his new coach when Kiffin tried to contact him this week.Impact: The story, claiming Moss used "profane and pointed terms" in a brief phone conversation, was whispered about at the Senior Bowl and discussed on two ESPN Radio shows, but never reported by a person. If true, this could be Moss' first step in forcing his way out of Oakland.
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Fine with me. Make the trade. Or cut him. Whatever.
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:goodposting: Don't let the door hit ya, doosh!
 
RAIDERNATION said:
massraider said:
kaso said:
Oh oh....From KFFL:(Rotowolrd)Randy Moss is believed to have told Lane Kiffin that he wasn't interested in talking to his new coach when Kiffin tried to contact him this week.Impact: The story, claiming Moss used "profane and pointed terms" in a brief phone conversation, was whispered about at the Senior Bowl and discussed on two ESPN Radio shows, but never reported by a person. If true, this could be Moss' first step in forcing his way out of Oakland.
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Fine with me. Make the trade. Or cut him. Whatever.
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:goodposting: Don't let the door hit ya, doosh!
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My one concern is that it drags out, because Al is looking for the best deal. If he's not gone by the end of the draft, I say cut him. Kill two birds with one stone. You get rid of a malcontent, and tell Porter he's the man. I think the Porter fence is easy to emnd, although I'd just as soon be rid of both of them.
 
Pip said:
Ed Wood said:
Draft Thomas, sign Garcia and draft a QB? :goodposting: Let Jeff run around back there for a couple years while the new guy watches and learns.
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Garcia said he'd rather be a backup on a good team than a starter on a bad one. He doesn't want to go through what he went through in Detroit and Cleveland again. So I just don't see him going to the Raiders.
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Interesting. I recall him saying recently he "wanted to see what was out there." If he's limiting himself to contenders with backup spots available, I'd say he's best served staying put. He can do the job and the guy in front of him isn't a model of durability.
 
BlackHole said:
Yes, I'm torn. We got great compensation that has never been given and never will again for a coach. But what a price to pay. :lmao: :thumbup: :shock:
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The value is not in the compensation itself,but rather it's about what one jumpsuit wearingfreak does with said compensation.
 
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