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Off-season interviews with Bengals coaches (1 Viewer)

Jene Bramel

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Bengals.com

A few interesting notes in here regarding the Bengals' off-season plans. The entire Q&A is a decent read, but here are some excerpts that caught my eye below.

GH: Marvin talked about how his biggest disappointment with the defense is that it needs to establish an identity.

CB: I don’t know if it’s so much an identity. We had so many mixes and matches of starting lineups throughout the year. Whether it be the DBs, whether it be the linebackers changing. At middle linebacker you've got Ahmad Brooks playing one week, then Caleb Miller playing the next week, you've got Brian Simmons playing the next week. So those are things we have to try and get to a point where we limit that rotation and let guys settle into a position.

But we do have to establish a true identity on defense. If you ask anybody on the defense, ‘What’s your go-to call if you get into a tough situation?’ they have to believe, ‘Here’s our base coverage, here’s our base pressure,’ and go right through it.

We have to evaluate ourselves scheme-wise and what we’re doing and make a commitment this offseason to get in a package you can go out and just perfect during the offseason.

We’re getting closer than the impression as far as establishing that identity. But I think that’s an identity as an entire team as well. Not just one side of the ball. That’s going to be important for us in this offseason as well.”
Nothing important here from an IDP perspective. Just fusses me as a Bengal fan to hear that this team can't establish a defensive identity. Thurman's suspension aside, this is :confused: .

GH: What are you looking to change? There always seems to be this annual debate about getting out of a 4-3 and going to a 3-4.

CB: It’s too premature until you go through free agency and the draft. You have to wait to see what you have. You always have ways to move around things whether you’re a 4-3 or a 3-4. That comes down the road in another two, three weeks, whatever it is. We have to evaluate our personnel, look at it from a free agency standpoint, health-wise, and make that decision when the timing is right.
And here's one of the primary reasons. Stop screwing around with these discussions and looking for players that can fit both ways -- Fanene, Rucker, Geathers, Nicholson, etc. You don't have to have a 400 page Nick Saban playbook to win games.

Like last season, we'll be waiting until after free agency and the draft to know which way this breaks for certain. No surprise here.

GH: The big guy there is right end Justin Smith. If he re-signs, it’s a 4-3. But no matter what, you could replace Tory James with free safety Madieu Williams. You guys think he can make the move the corner, don’t you?

CB: He’s proven it. He’s a guy that can play corner. That’s an option you have to look at and weigh, and again that’s based on where we are in free agency. You've got Tory’s situation. You've got Deltha’s (O’Neal) situation.
Important note for Madieu Williams' owners. Williams got significant time at corner early his rookie season before settling in at safety. I don't think a move is likely, but it's worth noting that it's possible.

GH: After looking pretty good in a midseason stretch, Caleb (Miller) hardly played at all late in the year.

CB: He had some good games. He had some games where he made plays out of position. We’re looking to get guys in one position so they can focus and go. But with the injuries we had and playing with four linebackers in a game, guys have to know multiple positions and that limited some of the things that (Miller) did.

He’s a good player. He has athletic ability. He needs to make a total commitment to football. He’s got things he needs to get cleared up in his life and get focused and he knows that. He’ll be the first one to tell you that.
Doesn't bode well for the Bengals tendering him a high number in RFA. I've no idea what these life issues are either. I don't think I'd hold much hope for Miller being a full time player.

GH: What about Brooks?

CB: Brooks is going to be a good football player and I’ll leave it at that. He needs to mature. He needs to learn how to study the game and prepare as a pro.

GH: Is that why he didn’t play at the end of the season?

CB: No, we couldn’t get him dressed. He wasn’t a factor on special teams. That’s part of the problem too. If you can’t dress because of special teams, our hands are tied.
Hopefully Brooks can make the leap. I still think he has a very high ceiling in IDP circles on talent alone and he should get good opportunity if he wins a MLB/ILB job.

 
Thanks for the thread - the Madieu info could be pretty significant.

The LBs in Cincy seem to be the hardest to figure out of all the teams. There are so many variables: Pollack's health, Thurman's return, Brooks's development, everyone's best position... a guy like Ingram is so tough to predict this offseason.

 
I think looking at running a 4-3 or a 3-4 really hinges on if the team re-signs Justin Smith as well as if Pollack can be healthy for a full season. I don't think they can rely on Pollack being healthy enough to warrant the change. He still has not played a full season for them yet. Geathers has steadily improved but he doesen't fit as a 3-4 DE because he is more of a speed player.

I don't see a shift to a 3-4 at this time even if the Bengals do not retain Smith and I agree with Jene that it is detrimental to the Bengals roster development for them to continue seeking players who can play both schemes. They need to focus on getting good at one scheme 1st before they start adding to it with scheme shift versitility imho. They need to develop players in one scheme long enough for them to get comfortable with it and know what they need to do to get better. Having a group of players that don't have off the field issues holding them back would help as well.

No wonder this defense does not have an identity when there is not enough stability in philosophy, scheme and players gelling under it. This is from the top on down. The coaches not commiting to one scheme, the off the field issues and the injuries leave the whole defense rather unfocused and uncertain about what they can do, where they can improve and who thier main playmakers will be.

Johnathan Joseph was great as a rookie so that is a good place to start in rebuilding this unit.

Kevin Kaesviharn may not be the solid tackler that is ideal as a safety but that guy somehow puts himself in position to make a lot of plays on the ball. I know people have called this somewhat lucky.. but I dunno he has done it over multiple seasons. The talk of moving MW to cornerback may have somthing to do with keeping KK on the field. O'Niel or Jackson could move to nickle back. To make this work the Bengals would need a real good tackler at SS. Dexter Jackson is more of a FS as well and does not fit that role. So that is part of the problem. 3 of thier best safeties all play thier best at the same position FS.

I think Williams would be fine as a corner and he would provide nice run support from there. I think he has enough speed to play man against most recievers if neccessary but such a move would be better served if they play more of a zone scheme. You sacrifice some of his play making ability putting him there instead of safety. If Williams/Kaesviharn = more turnovers than having one of them going to the bench it might be worth it. Although I expect Williams individual numbers would take a hit.

The front 7 is where they have the most problems. Thier best players are Adams, Simmons and Geathers. Add Smith to those 3 of they keep him. Adams and Simmons are getting too old to build around long term, so Geathers who will only be effective in a 4-3 is thier best playmaker in the front 7. They need to commit to him in a 4-3 or else scrap the whole thing and start from scratch.

 
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Ah Biabreakable, I hate to disagree with you but I'm going to anyway. :wall:

I think looking at running a 4-3 or a 3-4 really hinges on if the team re-signs Justin Smith as well as if Pollack can be healthy for a full season. I don't think they can rely on Pollack being healthy enough to warrant the change. He still has not played a full season for them yet. Geathers has steadily improved but he doesen't fit as a 3-4 DE because he is more of a speed player.
Absolutely correct on Justin Smith. If he's re-signed, the 3-4 is all but dead. Smith has repeatedly said that he doesn't fit in a 3-4 and he's probably right. He won't sign a deal unless he's assured that the 3-4 isn't happening. Good points about Geathers, too. He was nearly useless as a bulked up 280 lb situational defensive tackle and will never be a 3-4 end. He'd be used as a 3-4 OLB. While he wasn't any better at the point of attack in the few situations he found himself at end on rushing downs, he showed the ability to move up and down the line in a standup position on passing downs and looked more comfortable in pursuit and contain than his two prior seasons. Dropping into coverage would be an issue, but he'd be the ROLB and not asked to do that often at all.
Tory James was great as a rookie so that is a good place to start in rebuilding this unit.
My guess is that you meant to type Joseph's name here in which case you're exactly right. Tory James is a mess. If Deltha O'Neal wasn't equally as shaky (and dinged toward season's end), it'd have been James sitting for Johnathan Joseph. James is very unlikely to be re-signed.
Kevin Kaesviharn may not be the solid tackler that is ideal as a safety but that guy somehow puts himself in position to make a lot of plays on the ball. I know people have called this somewhat lucky.. but I dunno he has done it over multiple seasons. The talk of moving MW to cornerback may have somthing to do with keeping KK on the field. O'Niel or Jackson could move to nickle back. To make this work the Bengals would need a real good tackler at SS. Dexter Jackson is more of a FS as well and does not fit that role. So that is part of the problem. 3 of thier best safeties all play thier best at the same position FS.I think Williams would be fine as a corner and he would provide nice run support from there. I think he has enough speed to play man against most recievers if neccessary but such a move would be better served if they play more of a zone scheme. You sacrifice some of his play making ability putting him there instead of safety. If Williams/Kaesviharn = more turnovers than having one of them going to the bench it might be worth it. Although I expect Williams individual numbers would take a hit.
I hate knocking Kaesviharn because he's been provided excellent depth when Kim Herring and Madieu Williams and Dexter Jackson have missed extensive time over the past two seasons. And I wouldn't mind seeing him back in a part-time role in 2007. He was used perfectly after Jackson returned in Week 7 and had the bulk of his big play stats during the second half of the year. Bresnahan used him as a hybrid nickel safety and maximized his ability to match up on average slot receivers and brought him frequently on safety blitzes. But he's not a full-time player. He's regarded as an instinctive player, yet somehow as often out of position as he is in position. The Panthers were dumbfounded when Kaesviharn intercepted a pass late in Week 7 because he had no business being where he was and had essentially blown a coverage elsewhere. I'll disagree that Jackson isn't a fit at SS. He's a downhill player and fills hard in run support at 210 pounds. He does have solid coverage skills for a SS, though, and could probably hang at FS if asked. In 2007, most of his contribution came on run blitzes. He was actually more of a liability in coverage than expected, although the Bengals faced a number of big time pass catching TEs (Heap, Winslow, Gates, Gonzalez, Crumpler, Miller). The talk of moving Madieu Williams to corner has more to do with the speculation that neither O'Neal nor James will be back in 2007, leaving Joseph as the only viable corner on the roster. Since the Bengals aren't likely to pay for a starting caliber corner in FA, somebody is going to have to play while they get a drafted rookie (or two) ready.I think the Bengals have the LB depth to play a 3-4 in 2007. Another rush OLB would be nice, but Rashad Jeanty would be fine on the strong side. Maybe Frostee Rucker or Eric Henderson grow into a situational OLB role. Brooks might also be able to provide some pass rush capability on the strong side. Thurman (should he return) and Brooks would make a formidable ILB pair. Landon Johnson could work at RILB. The issue would be across the line. Jonathan Fanene, Bryan Robinson, and John Thornton could fill an average DE rotation. Two of Sam Adams, Shaun Smith, and Domata Peko could rotate at nose, but all three are one-gap type players. Smith and Peko might work better as ends.Either way, you're right. Stop drafting guys that could play both ways but don't play either very well. As I've said for the past two seasons, I'll believe the 3-4 front is coming to Cincinnati when I see it.
 
:confused: OOps yes I did mean Joseph not James. I will fix the earlier post on that to try to avoid peoples confusion.

I thought about Jumpy Geathers as a ROLB but I don't think he is versitile enough in coverage to be a real help with the positional change. If they did shift this way I guess I would still see the defense as more similar to a 4-3 as I would expect he would rush off the edge 85% of the time anyways.

A lot of this seems to hinge on if they keep Smith or not. I think Smith is a fine player as a 4-3 DE but he is not exceptional. I would call him slightly above average but not blue chip. I don't expect him to be that highly in demand as a free agent. However so many teams have a lot of money he might get an overinflated offer from another team.

I agree with your disagreements with me :confused: . I made some mistakes in my post that were not really what I meant. The main disagreement we may have is in regards to Jackson and KK. Perhaps neither player is ideal as a starter. KK's big play ability is somthing I think would be effective from the FS position in a 4-3 scheme where he could be more free to freelance against typical 2 WR sets.

That both Jackson and KK were used as blitzers so often tells me that the Bengals did not have Lbers good enough to fill those roles and that leads me to believe that thier Lbers would not be as effective in a 3-4 scheme. Pollack being healthy a full season could totaly change that. It is somthing hard to count on I would think however. I could see Pollack possibly moving to DE if they commited to a 4-3 scheme and Smith was not retained.

 
:confused: OOps yes I did mean Joseph not James. I will fix the earlier post on that to try to avoid peoples confusion.I thought about Jumpy Geathers as a ROLB but I don't think he is versitile enough in coverage to be a real help with the positional change. If they did shift this way I guess I would still see the defense as more similar to a 4-3 as I would expect he would rush off the edge 85% of the time anyways.A lot of this seems to hinge on if they keep Smith or not. I think Smith is a fine player as a 4-3 DE but he is not exceptional. I would call him slightly above average but not blue chip. I don't expect him to be that highly in demand as a free agent. However so many teams have a lot of money he might get an overinflated offer from another team.I agree with your disagreements with me :confused: . I made some mistakes in my post that were not really what I meant. The main disagreement we may have is in regards to Jackson and KK. Perhaps neither player is ideal as a starter. KK's big play ability is somthing I think would be effective from the FS position in a 4-3 scheme where he could be more free to freelance against typical 2 WR sets.That both Jackson and KK were used as blitzers so often tells me that the Bengals did not have Lbers good enough to fill those roles and that leads me to believe that thier Lbers would not be as effective in a 3-4 scheme. Pollack being healthy a full season could totaly change that. It is somthing hard to count on I would think however. I could see Pollack possibly moving to DE if they commited to a 4-3 scheme and Smith was not retained.
I wouldn't worry too much about Geathers and coverage. As the ROLB, he'd have more pursuit responsibility and zone drops than any man coverage responsibility. With a three man front, he's moving upfield as a pass rusher on nearly every down anyway. Demarcus Ware and Joey Porter aren't as capable in coverage as Mike Vrabel but they can at least backpedal into a zone and get in the way.Agree on Smith. Because of the scarcity of any kind of 4-3 pass rusher, Smith is going to be overpaid. That's why the Bengals signed Geathers to a relatively big contract; they no longer have to feel pressured to bring back an above average rush end that is only average as a pass rusher.Chuck Bresnahan brings a safety in blitz (run or pass) at least once a series. You're right in that the Bengals don't have an established pass rush threat from the outside LB position. The apparent thought is that Geathers and Rucker could provide that. Pollack certainly would've been in that mix. And there were rumblings shortly after he was taken that Brooks could as well.If Pollack returns and Smith does not, you will certainly see some three man fronts in the nickel package with Pollack and Geathers rushing from outside. It'd probably be similar to what the Cardinals do with their 3-3-5 nickel package, rushing some combination of two linebackers and Adrian Wilson while playing Cover-2 or quarters coverage behind.
 
In regards to Geathers moving to ROLB and making comparisons for him there to Joey Porter and Ware, I don't think you give Porter enough credit as a versitile ROLB. He has better coverage skills I think than you suggest. Porter had 4 interceptions in 2002. Porter had 11 passes defensed in 2004. Thats not bad for a Lber. He has not been the same force since the buttocks shooting but he did have 2 interceptions in 2005 and the 2006 seasons. The Steelers zone blitz scheme does have Porter dropping back in coverage when the inside linebackers blitz at times and also on corner and safety blitzes at other times.

I know Porter is thier primary pass rusher but I think he is more versitile than you give him credit for and having a similar expectation for Geathers in that role is doubtful.

I think Ware is a more natural ROLB than Geathers would be also. I think the main reason Ware has rushed the passer so often is because the Cowboys have lacked other players capable of creating pressure moreso than the scheme.

So while I could see the Bengals using Geathers as a ROLB I don't think opposing offenses would be suprised by him blitzing and he isn't suited for much coverage. Much of the strength of the 3-4 comes from the suprise factor it can create over the 4-3. I don't think the Bengals could run a 3-4 that would cause much suprise in regards to what the ROLB might do and subsequently what other Lbers might do when Geathers is always rushing the passer. Standing up or hand down I still see that scheme working more as a 4-3 defense even if they had a 3-4 look.

A thought though. If the Bengals signed Adalius Thomas from the Ravens that would open up some versitility in what they could do. I believe Thomas is a free agent?

We seem to agree that Geathers would not be effective as a DE in a 3-4 D.

 
Biabreakable said:
In regards to Geathers moving to ROLB and making comparisons for him there to Joey Porter and Ware, I don't think you give Porter enough credit as a versitile ROLB. He has better coverage skills I think than you suggest. Porter had 4 interceptions in 2002. Porter had 11 passes defensed in 2004. Thats not bad for a Lber. He has not been the same force since the buttocks shooting but he did have 2 interceptions in 2005 and the 2006 seasons. The Steelers zone blitz scheme does have Porter dropping back in coverage when the inside linebackers blitz at times and also on corner and safety blitzes at other times.I know Porter is thier primary pass rusher but I think he is more versitile than you give him credit for and having a similar expectation for Geathers in that role is doubtful.I think Ware is a more natural ROLB than Geathers would be also. I think the main reason Ware has rushed the passer so often is because the Cowboys have lacked other players capable of creating pressure moreso than the scheme.So while I could see the Bengals using Geathers as a ROLB I don't think opposing offenses would be suprised by him blitzing and he isn't suited for much coverage. Much of the strength of the 3-4 comes from the suprise factor it can create over the 4-3. I don't think the Bengals could run a 3-4 that would cause much suprise in regards to what the ROLB might do and subsequently what other Lbers might do when Geathers is always rushing the passer. Standing up or hand down I still see that scheme working more as a 4-3 defense even if they had a 3-4 look.A thought though. If the Bengals signed Adalius Thomas from the Ravens that would open up some versitility in what they could do. I believe Thomas is a free agent?We seem to agree that Geathers would not be effective as a DE in a 3-4 D.
I'm probably underrating Porter's coverage ability. Many of his bigger plays have had as much to do with the confusion caused by the zone blitz schemes as his coverage ability. I agree with your points with regard to Ware. He's made significant strides as an all-around backer since entering the league. The comparison to both players was to suggest that neither are used much in coverage on the weak side; neither would Geathers be.There's no element of surprise with a blitzing weak side linebacker in a base 3-4. That's what they are there for. Except for the Lebeau zone blitz schemes, I agree that it works more like a 4-3 in that respect. Still, the angles and movement up and down the line the rush LB does in most cases make the front a good bit different.While I'm not real excited about overpaying for highly sought after free agents and certainly not those who are soon to enter the downside of their career, I'd be on board with the Bengals splurging for Thomas. He's the very type of player a team who wants to run some 4-3 and some 3-4 needs. Versatile, quick, all-around skill set. This defense needs an identity. Someone who can play sideline-to-sideline and impact all phases of the game. It's questionable how long Thomas can play at a high level -- the off and on ankle issues would bug me a little -- but he'd be a welcome addition.
 
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As a guy who has both Geathers and Madieu on the same team, all I can say about this much being up in the air is :lmao:

 
Marvin Lewis speaks

Long interview with Geoff Hobson of bengals.com. Here are the highlights.

The Bengals will stay with a 4-3 defense
The Bengals are unlikely to sign a big name defensive free agent
CB Tory James will not be re-signed
LB Odell Thurman isn't out of the picture, although Marvin still would rather not discuss him
Justin Smith may be franchised (this one is looking more and more likely)
Deltha O'Neal needs to get himself together or become a 3rd corner at best
Madieu Williams could play corner, but nothing has been determined yet
 
I still think Odell will be traded on or just before draft day. If not it is probably because the staff believes that when his head is in the game he is head and shoulders over the other MLBs on the team...

 
The corner Jonathan Joseph was one of the players arrested wasnt he ? Any news on his status for next season and FF outlook ? From what I've read about him he has looked promising and willing in run support.

 
The corner Jonathan Joseph was one of the players arrested wasnt he ? Any news on his status for next season and FF outlook ? From what I've read about him he has looked promising and willing in run support.
He's become the #1 CB by default. I agree with what you've read -- excellent in press coverage (big PD stats in limited time last year) and was willing to hit.
 
Madieu Williams could play corner, but nothing has been determined yet
Any news here?
Not really. Most of the speculation about a trade of Deltha O'Neal has quieted. Sounds like the Bengals would prefer not to move Williams but it will depend on how the draft plays out. If they don't take a corner in the first two rounds and go safety instead, the chance of a move goes up.
 
Defensive back Tory James has agreed to a one-year contract with the Patriots, according to ESPN's John Clayton.

Does this move WIlliams to corner?

 
I just saw this on the Bengals site. It probably doesn't mean much.. but I figured they might make this move because end would be a safer posiiton for a neck.

Last month, head coach Marvin Lewis said when he returns that Pollack wants to play defensive end instead of linebacker. "When I play on Madden, I take myself out (at linebacker) or put me at end," he told Matt's class.
 
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From the Enquirer

The Bengals are hopeful they finally have the answer at the all-important middle-linebacker position.

He is Ahmad Brooks, a second-year pro and the third- round pick in the league's supplemental draft last July. The use of that pick precludes the Bengals from having a third-round pick April 28.

Still, there's a sense Brooks has first-round talent and might have gone in Round 1 this year had he been able to stay in college.

After signing with the Bengals two weeks before training camp opened, Brooks made five starts and played in 11 games as a rookie last season. He had one sack among his 46 tackles.

The Bengals expect even more from Brooks this season.

"I'm going to take it on," Brooks said after a workout Wednesday. "I'm glad the opportunity is there for me. I want to live up to the expectations."

At 260 pounds, Brooks can run, jump and tackle. The question - as it was with Thurman - is whether Brooks can stay out of trouble off the field. Amid allegations of marijuana use, he was kicked off the University of Virginia team a year ago and forced to enter the supplemental draft.

Brooks' behavior since joining the Bengals has been exemplary.

"He's here early. He puts in extra time. He does the work he's supposed to," Lewis said.

"I do think he understands and is thankful."

Brooks will face competition from fourth-year pro Caleb Miller, who has six starts at middle linebacker for the Bengals. And former Falcons middle linebacker Ed Hartwell will visit Cincinnati today and Friday, his agent said.

"Nothing is going to be handed to you," Bengals linebacker Ricky Hunley said Wednesday.

Brooks knows.

"I'm going to have to keep studying and working hard every day," he said. "I mean, I'm here every day."

So far, Brooks, who turned 23 in March, has shown the right stuff.

"It's a situation where maturity is the determining factor for young players," Hunley said. "He's got the physical tools."

Thornton is optimistic that Brooks could be the answer.

"He came in and played well for a couple of games last year," Thornton said. "He came in right before camp, and it was unfair to judge him on that because he didn't have a full offseason. But this is going to be his opportunity."

After watching Brooks knock running back Kenny Watson silly in a scrimmage, Thornton went to his phone.

"I was calling all my friends: 'We've got this linebacker who is just sick,' " Thornton said.

 
Madieu Williams could play corner, but nothing has been determined yet
Any news here?
Not really. Most of the speculation about a trade of Deltha O'Neal has quieted. Sounds like the Bengals would prefer not to move Williams but it will depend on how the draft plays out. If they don't take a corner in the first two rounds and go safety instead, the chance of a move goes up.
The drafting of Hall now makes the move of Williams to corner less likely, no?
 
Madieu Williams could play corner, but nothing has been determined yet
Any news here?
Not really. Most of the speculation about a trade of Deltha O'Neal has quieted. Sounds like the Bengals would prefer not to move Williams but it will depend on how the draft plays out. If they don't take a corner in the first two rounds and go safety instead, the chance of a move goes up.
The drafting of Hall now makes the move of Williams to corner less likely, no?
That idea was killed a long time ago, but yeah, this pretty much seals the deal.
 

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