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Official Packers Off-season Thread (1 Viewer)

jurrassic

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Packers finished strong winning their final four games to end the season at 8-8. The defense really started to gel towards the end of the year as Hawk and Poppinga settled in at linebacker and Jenkins was moved out to end to start in place of KGB. The offensive line is young but improving. The team is headed in the right direction and Favre returns this year with his eyes set on the playoffs and several NFL records. What do you see or want to see the Packers do this off-season?

Knowing Ted Thompson philosophy regarding free agency, I am resigned to not make any bold predictions like them making a big play for Turner, or Hamlin. I do think Ted saw some nice returns on the Pickett and Woodson signings and has to know that Favre is on his last run. I like the current direction as last year's draft class was extremely solid and Ted appears to be building the defense.

Moves I would like to see:

Trade 4th round pick to Oakland for Randy Moss: Being a Packer fan this is a tough thing to say, but Moss can still play. He would rejuvenate Favre and provide the Packers with a great corps of wr's (Driver, Moss, Jennigs, and Robinson once he returns from suspension). The real debate is the effect Moss's attitude may have in the locker room. If the Packer's are comfortable, a 4th round pick for Moss is a steal.

Resign A. Green: He is getting old but doesn't have the wear and tear of other players his age based on his days in Seattle. The free agent rb class is pretty weak and Green was solid if not spectacular this year. The Packers have nothing on the bench so this is kind of a necessity.

Draft Lynch in the first round: This is starting to become the chalk pick in alot of mocks I am seein, and I have to tell you I am okay with it. Lynch has decent size and could do well in the one-cut zone system. A rb corps of Green, Lynch, and Morency is not bad.

Resign Jenkins: This guy is just productive. He will be the starter opposite Kampman

Sign Harris and Barnett to extensions: These guys have earned it. Use some of the cap money to front load their contracts similar to last year with Woodson. Give them large money in the first few years to take advantage of the 30 million you are sitting on. It's the right thing to do and it sends a message to the other players.

Areas to address:

Safety: I do think the Packers need to address the safety issue. Manuel was nothing short of horrible. Underwood showed promise in the pre-season but still has never started a game. Hamlin will be too expensive and Lewis is overrated. Not really sure who is there to get besides the prospects in the draft.

Tight End: Franks may be cut and Martin is inconsistent. Graham and Johnson are both possibilities but I think the Packers would be better off drafting someone.

Corner back: Dendy played alright towards the end of the year and the Packers should have Blackmon next year to compete but they need a solid nickel back. There are a few intriguing guys available but overpaying becomes an issue.

I don't think the Packers will make any big moves via free-agency and I don't know how much I like most of the players available. I am all for the Packers making a move for Jared Allen, Nate Clements, Asante Samuel, Turner, or Hamlin but I don't think it is going to happen. They are building their team through the draft and well timed free agency moves. I really think this team is headed in the right direction. The secondary really needs to be addressed and they need more playmakers on offense. The addition of Moss and Lynch along with a tightend in the draft would really go a long way in helping this team. Rodgers is still a huge question mark but I think you keep the qb situation as is for now and hope he shows something.

 
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Overall, an interesting take.

1. Randy Moss doesn't belong anywhere near a young, developing team. Period. The guy is a cancer. So, what if he comes and for one year plays with Favre and does well? Then, Favre hangs it up and he doesn't do as well with a Rodger or Martin? What do you think will happen? It's not worth giving up a pick for a guy who will tear this team apart. They don't need this kind of influence on a young team.

2. Lynch. I wouldn't be upset if it happened, but I actually think WR and TE are bigger needs. They can resign Green, and I think that's a given. Morency actually looked good last season, and has a lot of potential. I also think they really like Arliss Beach, who was on IR all year. Herron should be gone. I think they can get good returns from this group, so I'd rather see them work on WR and TE.

3. Agree completely on Jenkins, Harris, and Barnett. Those guys were key peices of the D last year, and need to be taken care of for the future.

 
jurrassic said:
Moves I would like to see:Trade 4th round pick to Oakland for Randy Moss: Being a Packer fan this is a tough thing to say, but Moss can still play. He would rejuvenate Favre and provide the Packers with a great corps of wr's (Driver, Moss, Jennigs, and Robinson once he returns from suspension). The real debate is the effect Moss's attitude may have in the locker room. If the Packer's are comfortable, a 4th round pick for Moss is a steal.
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This is the only thing I don't agree with. Moss is the last thong the Packers need. I would rather see them go after K. Curtis or D.J Hackett.You say Moss can still play, what do you base that on? I haven't seen evidence of that. Also, a 4th round pick and that huge contract is not a steal.Otherwise, good analysis.
 
I agree the contract is huge, but I guess I base alot of it on what is avaiable. Moss, even with the attitude, is better than Stallworth, Bennett, Curtis, etc. This team needs playmakers and a red zone threat. I agree it is a risk but I say make the move for Favre. Once he retires you have 11 millon extra dollars. I just like the idea of Green and Lynch split in the backfield with Moss, Jennings and Driver as your 3 wides. You must take into consideration that Moss has played with Collins, Brooks, and Walters in Oakland. He also had the "bad Daunte" for his last year in Minnesota. Favre has made stars out of Brooks, Freeman, and Driver. Moss is better talent wise than anyone Favre has ever had.

 
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I'll pile on here with not wanting Moss. There just won't be anough passes to go around and I doubt he will have a positive influence on Jennings even if he only stays one year.

As for Lynch and Green in the backfield at the same time - I don't think I've seen many situations where this has actually been a staple - even in NO Bush and Deuce don't see the field at the same time on every snap. I'd rather draft a replacement for Driver to match with Jennings down the road.

That aside - will the OL change (OC change really) not affect the running game?

 
I would like to see them look at Daniel graham at the TE spot. I think someone might offer him a big contract but if he is affordable I think he is a very good TE.

I am fine with the WR spot. Driver & Jennings make two pretty good starters so it comes down to adding some depth but there is no need to pay big money for a guy like Moss. DJ Hackett would be interesting if the price is right. Otherwise, I would favor looking at a veteran WR that is inexpensive and can play the 3rd WR spot.

I think the Packers need to look at some backup QBs that can maybe challenge Rodgers for the job when favre does retire. I am hoping Rodgers will develop but I have been unimpressed so far.

 
Rookie TE is a mistake. They need somebody who is used to the speed of the NFL and won't take the first 6 games to 'adjust'.

Go out and sign a free agent TE and WR....and all I know is that in Madden 2007 on PS2 I've made the switch to Morency from Green (in the coming season....er.....this season?) and he's doing well. :confused:

 
I would also rather see them bring in a veteran TE if they do not keep Franks around. I like 3 guys available in free agency. Daniel Graham, Jerramy Stevens and Eric Johnson. My guess is that Johnson might be the most affordable and seems to be a very good receiving type of TE.

 
Warhogs said:
I would like to see them look at Daniel graham at the TE spot. I think someone might offer him a big contract but if he is affordable I think he is a very good TE.I am fine with the WR spot. Driver & Jennings make two pretty good starters so it comes down to adding some depth but there is no need to pay big money for a guy like Moss. DJ Hackett would be interesting if the price is right. Otherwise, I would favor looking at a veteran WR that is inexpensive and can play the 3rd WR spot.I think the Packers need to look at some backup QBs that can maybe challenge Rodgers for the job when favre does retire. I am hoping Rodgers will develop but I have been unimpressed so far.
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Great observation on Graham. I like him too, and think he would be a definate upgrade over Bubba. I'm in the majority here too - in that I think Moss would have more of a negative affect on the Packers than a positive one.
 
While I hate to say it I'd like to see Moss in a Packer uniform as long as they don't give up too much for him...I could live with a 3rd or 4th rounder for him. While Moss has an attitude he also respects Favre quite a bit and I'd expect him to be on his best behavior in Green Bay. I just think if there's an opportunity to give Favre a weapon as talented as Moss you at least have to look into it.

I also agree that re-signing Green and redoing Harris' & Barnett's contracts would all be smart things to do. Also signing a free agent TE is a must. The Packers have crap at that position now and it's such a vital position in the offense they run.

I'm not sold on the Marshawn Lynch draft choice. If the re-sign Green and along with Morency that's a decent 1-2 punch. They could draft someone like Antonio Pittman in the 2nd that would give them a decent 3rd back. I'd like to see them draft S Reggie Nelson if he's available. They can always use DB's and he'd be an immediate upgrade over Manuel. Someone like Sidney Rice would be o.k. too if they use their free agent for a decent DB and not WR.

 
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Eric Johnson would be perfect. That would give Favre the Mark Chmura type guy he had early in his career....and Johnson is no slouch, if he can stay healthy he's a great pass catcher. 82 receptions 2 years ago I believe? I'd LOVE to see Johnson come to the packers and be backed up by Lee and Martin at TE.

 
Good stuff from everyone.

I'd only like to add that if you have the chance to get Randy Moss for anything less than 2nd round pick, you jump. You can draft all the solid young pros you want, the thing that makes a team great is playmakers. Moss can be a playmaker with a competent QB. Driver would never see another double team. Can you imagine that alone? Plus, the running game would open up with the safeties having to honor Moss deep. For a 3rd or 4th round pick, yes, that is a steal.

 
I agree with the post above about Moss, which was my whole argument to begin with. A 4th round pick for Moss is too good to pass up. I think he would play well here and I am not that worried about his attitude. Once again, we all need to remember the guy played in Oakland. I would be upset playing in Oakland too. This offense is in dire need of playmakers and he is the top one out there right now. It is a risk but you need to take risks to get big rewards.

I agree with everyone here that the Packers also need a tightend, but I don't know if I would be willing to pay the amount of money the Packers will need to ante up to get Graham, Johnson, or Stevens. Graham is solid but can't stretch the field, Johnson can't stay healthy so I don't feel good giving him big money, and Stevens is overrated.

 
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Eric Johnson would be perfect. That would give Favre the Mark Chmura type guy he had early in his career....and Johnson is no slouch, if he can stay healthy he's a great pass catcher. 82 receptions 2 years ago I believe? I'd LOVE to see Johnson come to the packers and be backed up by Lee and Martin at TE.
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Therein lies the rub. In six years Johnson has only twice played all 16 games and has been on IR for two full seasons. three seasons between 34-40 catches, 292-361 yards (avg between 8.6-9.1) and one golden season with 82 receptions for 825 yards. Never a prolific scorer - his max came in 2001, his rookie year, with 3 TDs. IIRC his golden 2004 season coinsided with several WR injuries so he was essentially the only option.Could the Packers use a 35 catch 300 yard 2 TD guy? It seems to me they already have potential for that on the team in Lee and Martin.

 
msommer said:
kevthegrad said:
Eric Johnson would be perfect. That would give Favre the Mark Chmura type guy he had early in his career....and Johnson is no slouch, if he can stay healthy he's a great pass catcher. 82 receptions 2 years ago I believe? I'd LOVE to see Johnson come to the packers and be backed up by Lee and Martin at TE.
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Therein lies the rub. In six years Johnson has only twice played all 16 games and has been on IR for two full seasons. three seasons between 34-40 catches, 292-361 yards (avg between 8.6-9.1) and one golden season with 82 receptions for 825 yards. Never a prolific scorer - his max came in 2001, his rookie year, with 3 TDs. IIRC his golden 2004 season coinsided with several WR injuries so he was essentially the only option.Could the Packers use a 35 catch 300 yard 2 TD guy? It seems to me they already have potential for that on the team in Lee and Martin.
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Hey, if they got Johnson, they would just have to make sure that his inevitable injury and Martin's inevitable injury happened at complemntary times during the season. :goodposting:

 
I read somewhere that the amount of Money Moss had tied up in Bonus's made it nearly impossible for the Raiders to cut him. They would take a huge salary cap hit to do so. This is also the reason they can't trade him for a first round pick. They can't afford both the Salary Cap hit and the Signing bonus to the rookie at the same time. I wich I could find the link, but I can't right now.

IF the Packers traded for Moss, there is one huge advantage that they have. All of His bonuses to this point will have been paid by Oakland. All the Pack would be responsilbe for would be the base salaries. The Pack could then cut Moss in future years with no cap hit. So if he didn't work out, they have a very easy out option.

 
I am for brining in Moss at just about any cost. If he is on the market somebody of his talent cannot be had in the draft or free agency. I also wanted the Packers to bring in Owens last year too. Of course that did not happen.

Our running game this year worked out well. Resign Green and use him in a ~70% capacity with Morency coming in as well. If drafting a RB is a must there are gems in the 3rd/4th round that can be had. No need to bring in a running back that will want money like a 1st rounder.

If our Dline is up to par the Packers should look to secure the safety position in the first round. The Packers could get one of the top safeties coming out and at 16 that would be a good prospect to have and possibly start right away.

 
Warhogs said:
I would like to see them look at Daniel graham at the TE spot. I think someone might offer him a big contract but if he is affordable I think he is a very good TE.

I am fine with the WR spot. Driver & Jennings make two pretty good starters so it comes down to adding some depth but there is no need to pay big money for a guy like Moss. DJ Hackett would be interesting if the price is right. Otherwise, I would favor looking at a veteran WR that is inexpensive and can play the 3rd WR spot.

I think the Packers need to look at some backup QBs that can maybe challenge Rodgers for the job when favre does retire. I am hoping Rodgers will develop but I have been unimpressed so far.
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:shrug: I think they've had little success at TE since Chmura left. Chmura wasn't Tony Gonzalez, but he seemed to help Favre's stats..he was a great safety valve for Favre.

 
I agree with a lot of the OP thoughts.

I think it's a given Green will be resigned, and at a reasonable price. Let's not forget he's about 70 yds away from being the Pack's all-time leading rusher.

A friend of mine brought up a great point regarding Al Harris. People stayed away from him in '05 during the "Carroll Era". They could throw to #28's side of the field all day resultng in either PI or TD. The other WR was 'invisible'. After bringing in Charles Woodson, he thought people would test Harris more this year, thus earning his payday. The end result was teams would still stay away from Harris, and a career year from Woodson. His play is determining that. He most certainly earns a raise after what I've seen from him the past couple of years. Woodson/Harris is a formidable duo, IMO.

I think Marquand Manuel was terrible. Very slow. Must draft a safety. I think Collins will be fine.

It would be stupid not extend to Barnett's contract. He is already pretty studly and entering the prime of his career. Barnett/Hawk can be a cornerstone for this defense to re-tool around. It would be foolish not to pay him while we have the money. Most of all, he's earned it and will command top $ on the FA market. PAY HIM NOW.

I am all for Moss in green and gold. Especially for the price of 3/4 rd. pick. Moss/Driver/Jennings=Who needs a tight end? ;) Favre can reel him in if needed. I know Moss has much respect for #4 after battling him for years. On a Brett Favre DVD (the one that came with his 4 The Record book), you can see Moss walking and yelling up the sideline: "I gotta see this, this Brett Favre right here! Brett Favre right here!" I get goosebumps when I see this clip. :lmao: I would probably touch myself if he was yelling this in our huddle. :wall: :wall:

Draft a S/TE/DL/RB.

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what about Korean? he will be back week 7 and hopefully Moss can stay healthy that long. haha

I am for Moss but only 1 year contract.

He is a cancer. But let Brett go out a winner!

Graham would be nice too!

Draft a safety in first. Maybe a rb future project 3rd or 4th.

Green Bay is gonna rock nex year! :lmao:

 
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Tony Jabroni said:
I agree with a lot of the OP thoughts.I think it's a given Green will be resigned, and at a reasonable price. Let's not forget he's about 70 yds away from being the Pack's all-time leading rusher.A friend of mine brought up a great point regarding Al Harris. People stayed away from him in '05 during the "Carroll Era". They could throw to #28's side of the field all day resultng in either PI or TD. The other WR was 'invisible'. After bringing in Charles Woodson, he thought people would test Harris more this year, thus earning his payday. The end result was teams would still stay away from Harris, and a career year from Woodson. His play is determining that. He most certainly earns a raise after what I've seen from him the past couple of years. Woodson/Harris is a formidable duo, IMO.I think Marquand Manuel was terrible. Very slow. Must draft a safety. I think Collins will be fine.It would be stupid not extend to Barnett's contract. He is already pretty studly and entering the prime of his career. Barnett/Hawk can be a cornerstone for this defense to re-tool around. It would be foolish not to pay him while we have the money. Most of all, he's earned it and will command top $ on the FA market. PAY HIM NOW.I am all for Moss in green and gold. Especially for the price of 3/4 rd. pick. Moss/Driver/Jennings=Who needs a tight end? :coffee: Favre can reel him in if needed. I know Moss has much respect for #4 after battling him for years. On a Brett Favre DVD (the one that came with his 4 The Record book), you can see Moss walking and yelling up the sideline: "I gotta see this, this Brett Favre right here! Brett Favre right here!" I get goosebumps when I see this clip. Draft a S/TE/DL/RB.
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:cry: I agree with everything here.
 
Tony Jabroni said:
I agree with a lot of the OP thoughts.

I think it's a given Green will be resigned, and at a reasonable price. Let's not forget he's about 70 yds away from being the Pack's all-time leading rusher.

A friend of mine brought up a great point regarding Al Harris. People stayed away from him in '05 during the "Carroll Era". They could throw to #28's side of the field all day resultng in either PI or TD. The other WR was 'invisible'. After bringing in Charles Woodson, he thought people would test Harris more this year, thus earning his payday. The end result was teams would still stay away from Harris, and a career year from Woodson. His play is determining that. He most certainly earns a raise after what I've seen from him the past couple of years. Woodson/Harris is a formidable duo, IMO.

I think Marquand Manuel was terrible. Very slow. Must draft a safety. I think Collins will be fine.

It would be stupid not extend to Barnett's contract. He is already pretty studly and entering the prime of his career. Barnett/Hawk can be a cornerstone for this defense to re-tool around. It would be foolish not to pay him while we have the money. Most of all, he's earned it and will command top $ on the FA market. PAY HIM NOW.

I am all for Moss in green and gold. Especially for the price of 3/4 rd. pick. Moss/Driver/Jennings=Who needs a tight end? ;) Favre can reel him in if needed. I know Moss has much respect for #4 after battling him for years. On a Brett Favre DVD (the one that came with his 4 The Record book), you can see Moss walking and yelling up the sideline: "I gotta see this, this Brett Favre right here! Brett Favre right here!" I get goosebumps when I see this clip. :lmao: I would probably touch myself if he was yelling this in our huddle. :bag: :bag:

Draft a S/TE/DL/RB.

:) ;) Great post Tony, all except the part about you touching yourself!!! The only point I would disagree on is who the pack should draft in the first round. I think Lynch is there only true option if they plan on resigning Green. God loves green all across wisconsin for what he's meant to the team but he's definately on the down end of his career. Bring in the young buck and let him learn from the likes of Green and Morencey and then figure out what your best option is in the next year. If they don't go RB I think saftey should be next on the wish list. I would love to see the likes of a Reggie Nelson playing and Manuel working at the burger king across from lambou field!!!

PS- Nobody ####'s wit da Jesus!!!
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I would love to see the Packers somehow get Willis McGahee in GB as well as Randy Moss. I dont know if a 2nd round pick is enough but if it is, acquiring McGahee would be the smart move. Heck - Id even pay Greg Jennings for McGahee. McGahee maskes 950K in 07 and is FA in 08. In 08 - Brett will likely retire (maybe not) and we wil have money to resign him.

Id also like to see the Pack get Randy Moss - if he can truely be had for a 3rd round pick.

Then in the draft they would be able to focus on Dline or safety.

 
God no, don't bring in McGahee or Moss. I'm not sure why so many people want to bring in these cancers to give Brett Favre a few more weapons for one more season? There is no reason to really believe they would change their ways for a season under Favre and bringing in guys with their character issues would set the franchise back several seasons. Pay your money to keep your best players with good character. If you spend big money on a free agent then make sure he fits your team. Bring in younger free agents that have good skills and no character issues that just need an opportunity. Build through the draft. That is the quickest way to building a strong franchise for several years.

Please, please, please, no Randy Moss or Willis McGahee. That would be incredibly short sighted.

 
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God no, don't bring in McGahee or Moss. I'm not sure why so many people want to bring in these cancers to give Brett Favre a few more weapons for one more season? There is no reason to really believe they would change their ways for a season under Favre and bringing in guys with their character issues would set the franchise back several seasons. Pay your money to keep your best players with good character. If you spend big money on a free agent then make sure he fits your team. Bring in younger free agents that have good skills and no character issues that just need an opportunity. Build through the draft. That is the quickest way to building a strong franchise for several years.Please, please, please, no Randy Moss or Willis McGahee. That would be incredibly short sighted.
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:wall: :rant: I can't agree enough. I do not want to see Green Bay sacrifice the future, and team chemistry, in the name of trying to send Favre out a winner. Some are talking like Favre will keep Moss in line. Well, if there's one thing we know, it's that no one keeps Moss in line. And frankly, if Favre is there only one more season, do you think ol' Randy would be pumped about playing with Aaron Rodgers or Ingle Martin? Guys like Moss don't change. Period. He's not suddenly going to be a good guy in Green Bay. Further, Ted Thompson had demonstrated that he doesn't operate this way anyway. So, I'm sure we'll hear more #####ing from the Packer masses when he doesn't make this trade. And he'll quietly draft well and sign free agents that fit nicely on the team.
 
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Warhogs said:
God no, don't bring in McGahee or Moss. I'm not sure why so many people want to bring in these cancers to give Brett Favre a few more weapons for one more season? There is no reason to really believe they would change their ways for a season under Favre and bringing in guys with their character issues would set the franchise back several seasons. Pay your money to keep your best players with good character. If you spend big money on a free agent then make sure he fits your team. Bring in younger free agents that have good skills and no character issues that just need an opportunity. Build through the draft. That is the quickest way to building a strong franchise for several years.Please, please, please, no Randy Moss or Willis McGahee. That would be incredibly short sighted.
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:goodposting: :goodposting: I can't agree enough. I do not want to see Green Bay sacrifice the future, and team chemistry, in the name of trying to send Favre out a winner. Some are talking like Favre will keep Moss in line. Well, if there's one thing we know, it's that no one keeps Moss in line. And frankly, if Favre is there only one more season, do you think ol' Randy would be pumped about playing with Aaron Rodgers or Ingle Martin? Guys like Moss don't change. Period. He's not suddenly going to be a good guy in Green Bay. Further, Ted Thompson had demonstrated that he doesn't operate this way anyway. So, I'm sure we'll hear more #####ing from the Packer masses when he doesn't make this trade. And he'll quietly draft well and sign free agents that fit nicely on the team.
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I understand this thinking, I just don't agree with it in regards to Moss.With Moss, and a young back to spell/split with Green, our offense has the chance to be Top 10.I don't see Moss as a cancer at all, esp with Favre as his QB. As long as the deal is structured right, you make sure you can cut Moss when Brett retires. Again, you need playmakers to win Championships. Look at the Colts - They probably have a less talented team across the board than the Bears - except at key playmaking positions. NFL teams, if they have a competent GM/management (which isn't most of them) have a base of young talent. What seperates the great teams from the good ones is playmakers. (Yes, this is the 'Cliff Cristal' doctrine, and I am a firm believer.) The more, the better. Favre used to be one. But he can't be special without help anymore. Moss would do more than help. He would change the entire equasion on offense. As for McGahee, I'd much rather draft Lynch or perhaps Bush in a latter round.
 
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Thompson signed alcoholic and trouble making Koren Robinson to a contract so no offense, but I think he's work with Moss.

Speaking of K-Rob, when does he get out of purgatory and do you think the Packers take him back if the NFL lets him back in?

 
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Thompson signed alcoholic and trouble making Koren Robinson to a contract so no offense, but I think he's work with Moss.Speaking of K-Rob, when does he get out of purgatory and do you think the Packers take him back if the NFL lets him back in?
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He's eligible for reinstatment the same week next season that he was suspended last season. But it is the commissioners decision if he is reinstated or not. And yes, the Packers have expressed their interest in having K-Rob remain with the team.
 
kevthegrad said:
Thompson signed alcoholic and trouble making Koren Robinson to a contract so no offense, but I think he's work with Moss.Speaking of K-Rob, when does he get out of purgatory and do you think the Packers take him back if the NFL lets him back in?
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Big, big differene. As far as I know, K-Rob was never a locker room cancer who threw teammates under the bus. His problems, while real, have more to do with alcohol. Certainly, this was risky move, but Thompson also had a hand in drafting him and knows him quite well. Seems to me that Robinson is more of a guy battling addiction, than he is a bad teammate known to tank.Moss, on the other hand, has attitude problems, takes plays off, and generally appears to tank at the slightest sign of adversity. Thompson has no ties to him.I don't think these situation are similar.
 
I would also add that Koren Robinson was a freebie. Free agent that really did not cost much of an investment, no pick to bring him in. I am not sure what the value of his contract is but I am guessing he is pretty cheap. Big difference between the investment in Koren Robinson and what you would have invested in Moss/McGahee.

 
Okay so here goes:

1) I'm not opposed to letting Ahman Green go if they have a plan in place. I don't think anybody in the coaching staff has said a word about Morency being a guy of the future at RB, so what is the plan here? Sign a Travis Henry? Chris Brown? Rhodes? Get McGahee (this I would love)? No point signing an oldie like Corey Dillon or Jamal Lewis unless they come in for cheap (they won't) and they draft a RB in the 1st round. Lynch or Irons may be there when they pick.

2) WR's. There are some names out there that I'd be excited about seeing in a Packer uniform for Favre to throw the ball around to. I know the Moss rumours are still rampant, but what about Joe Horn? Drew Bennett? And what the devil is up with the Moss rumours?

3) TE's. Daniel Graham should have been a target. I still like Eric Johnson if he can stay healthy, big if! They need a good TE....no questions asked.

4) What happened to the D players they were going after? Sounds to me like the big name LB's and CB's are signing elsewhere with the Packers not being mentioned at all.

GET BUSY PACKERS!!!! MAKE A SPLASH!!!!!! YOU HAVE SOME MONEY TO SPEND!!!!!

 
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2) WR's. There are some names out there that I'd be excited about seeing in a Packer uniform for Favre to throw the ball around to. I know the Moss rumours are still rampant, but what about Joe Horn? Drew Bennett? And what the devil is up with the Moss rumours?
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Why all the WR action when you have Jennings at the #2? Why not draft depth to replace Driver in a few years?
 
With the recent releasings aroung the league I would wait to see what A. Green does. I would like to see McGahee come over here because he has been underused and not utilized in Buffalo the way he could be. The McGahee/Morency combo might not sound sexy but they should be able to run for 1500 and maybe even more than that. Plus, McGahee has some burst that one or two blocks will allow him to use.

I still want Moss to be a Packer. If Thompson can work it for a 3rd round pick with a new contract that would be sweet. If the Packers could get McGahee and Moss and draft defense in the 1st and possibly 2nd... that would be sweet.

 
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Looks like Thompson is taking a wait and see approach again. He seems content to wait until there is someone he really would like before overpaying. But looking at the FAs out there, there were only 1 or 2 worth overpaying for, so it's not that bad.

Not sure what to say about that. I guess he wants to completely turn this thing around with the draft and draft alone.

Then again, we do have to make sure our guys are getting paid first. Barnett comes to mind here.

I really hope this works out.

 
I still don't want Thompson to overpay for players despite the cap room. I don't want us to be a playoff contender, I want us to be a Super Bowl contender. I like the way TT works, and am hoping he resists temptation this year by throwing money at players that don't fit.

I do not want Randy Moss on this team. I am not talking about his character, although we can get into a long discussion about that. I am talking about his on field performance. Moss uses his freakish speed to burn by opponents. Does he still have that speed? Because he certainly is not a possession receiver, he slows up routes if he thinks he is going to get hit over the middle. We don't need to be throwing money at a question mark. And yes, Moss is a question mark. Someone mentioned Kevin Curtis, and I think he would be a great fit, but it looks like he is either going to Minny or Detroit.

I would like to see some help in the secondary, but TT needs to wait until these outrageous signings are through and get some bargains.

Definitely like the Eric Johnson talk, as he should come cheap and he has great receiving skills. We need a guy with reliable hands over the middle this year. It was so frustrating watching drop after drop on key 3rd downs.

 
a1ter3go said:
Packer fans interesting reading here www.jsonline.com/packers

Looks like Thompson is taking a wait and see approach again. He seems content to wait until there is someone he really would like before overpaying. But looking at the FAs out there, there were only 1 or 2 worth overpaying for, so it's not that bad.

Not sure what to say about that. I guess he wants to completely turn this thing around with the draft and draft alone.

Then again, we do have to make sure our guys are getting paid first. Barnett comes to mind here.

I really hope this works out.
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Well, Ryan Pickett and Charles Woodson weren't from the draft.
 
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Okay so here goes: No point signing an oldie like Corey Dillon or Jamal Lewis unless they come in for cheap (they won't) and they draft a RB in the 1st round.
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Jamal Lewis isn't that old, what is he 27? I'm just saying, don't count him out, he will be a starter some where. (Dynasty Disclaimer of course).
 
While I wopuld like to see Moss score 4 touchdowns against the Vikings no thanks.

Make sure K Rob makes it back instead and draft Steve Smith.

 
Good point on Lewis. I thought he was older than that but his birthday was in 1979, so he's still on the right side of 30. Wouldn't come for cheap though.

On the WR front, I'm reminded of how they went out and got some guys like Terry Glenn in the past to just have some depth at WR. The WR ranks have been killed the last two years. I think Jennings is going to be #1 in 2 years time, but in the meantime, they need some depth and TALENT. Robert Ferguson is a walking injury and drops too many passes. That's why I'm saying bring in a Joe Horn, let Jennings develop at WR3, and you suddenly have a nice group surrounding Favre...good leaders and a vet to help lead the youngest team in the NFL. I think that's why I'm so high on getting a Horn (or McCardell)

Putting Moss and McGahee in the dressing room would certainly be adding some spice (as in the type of spice that tastes bad and spoils all the other spices around them) to the locker room, but I want them to compete.

 
Packers will not go after McGahee. TT will not give up the compensation to the Bills and McGahee already complains about playing in the cold in Buffalo. Additionally, I don't think he wants to deal with Rosenhaus. I still think the Moss trade will eventually go down probably for a third and Fergusson. I would like to see us to do the following:

Sign Kelley Washington

Sign Justin Griffith

Sign Roderick Hood

Sign Brian Russell

If we lose Green, go out and sign Buckhalter or C Brown for a year or two.

The draft is dependent on who is their. I like Lynch, Hall, Nelson, and Meachum.

 
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I like the C Brown suggestion. He played quite well when healthy in Tennessee. Deserved better than to get poop canned.

Speaking of that, what about Travis Henry?

 
I definitely don't want to break the bank on a rb. There is no clear cut great running back out there, so I would rather them spend a little on a couple questions (like the aforementioned Brown and Buckhalter), then spend a ton on talented backs that have a shaky recent history (Jamal Lewis).

I think Buckhalter fits the blocking scheme well, and would be a nice fit. And you have to love a guy who refused to give up despite numerous leg injuries that would make other players retire.

Here are some of my thoughts:

Wide Receiver

We definitely need depth at receiver. I am with others who think Jennings is going to be a solid starter, and if Robinson can shake off the rust, he will help tremendously. But we always seem to get hit with injuries at this position. I want a veteran who can be the # 3 or # 4 and can play special teams. I think Justin Gage could fill this role, and he should come cheaply. One guy who I would love to see join the team is Brandon Stokely, but he might be a little too much $$$. Sure handed slot receiver, he would be awesome on 3rd downs. AS for the draft, I would like to see this position addressed, but not with a 1st or 2nd rounder.

Safety

We got terrible play from the safety position last year. Nick Collins oozes talent, but he was maddeningly inconsistent last year. Someone mentione his name, but I also like Brian Russell here. Smart, solid player. But I am sure he will have many suitors.

Running Back

I definitely don't want to break the bank on a rb. There is no clear cut great running back out there, so I would rather them spend a little on a couple questions (like the aforementioned Brown and Buckhalter), then spend a ton on talented backs that have a shaky recent history (Jamal Lewis). I think Buckhalter fits the blocking scheme well, and would be a nice fit. And you have to love a guy who refused to give up despite numerous leg injuries that would make other players retire.

Coernerback

Definitely would like to see Roderick Hood. For a little less $$$, Jamar Fletcher would do well as a nickel/dime back.

 
I like Buckhalter a lot but with the injuries he's had the last 3 years, it was a miracle to see him make it through this year healthy. Every time he touches the ball I'd be waiting to see him get up out of the pile healthy.

I'd much rather they go after a Chris Brown level guy, and have them share time and develop Morency.

If Jamal Lewis were available for cheaper I'd say they should jump on that though. I had no idea he was only 27. Lots of miles on those legs though.

 
Balco said:
I still don't want Thompson to overpay for players despite the cap room. I don't want us to be a playoff contender, I want us to be a Super Bowl contender. I like the way TT works, and am hoping he resists temptation this year by throwing money at players that don't fit.I do not want Randy Moss on this team. I am not talking about his character, although we can get into a long discussion about that. I am talking about his on field performance. Moss uses his freakish speed to burn by opponents. Does he still have that speed? Because he certainly is not a possession receiver, he slows up routes if he thinks he is going to get hit over the middle. We don't need to be throwing money at a question mark. And yes, Moss is a question mark. Someone mentioned Kevin Curtis, and I think he would be a great fit, but it looks like he is either going to Minny or Detroit.I would like to see some help in the secondary, but TT needs to wait until these outrageous signings are through and get some bargains.Definitely like the Eric Johnson talk, as he should come cheap and he has great receiving skills. We need a guy with reliable hands over the middle this year. It was so frustrating watching drop after drop on key 3rd downs.
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kevthegrad said:
I like Buckhalter a lot but with the injuries he's had the last 3 years, it was a miracle to see him make it through this year healthy. Every time he touches the ball I'd be waiting to see him get up out of the pile healthy.

I'd much rather they go after a Chris Brown level guy, and have them share time and develop Morency.
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uwgb96 said:
kevthegrad said:
I like Buckhalter a lot but with the injuries he's had the last 3 years, it was a miracle to see him make it through this year healthy. Every time he touches the ball I'd be waiting to see him get up out of the pile healthy.

I'd much rather they go after a Chris Brown level guy, and have them share time and develop Morency.
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Don't compare having your freakin' knees (both of them) torn from the bone the way poor Buck has dealt with with having a sore toe and missing time here and there. Brown's injury woes are nowhere near the risk that Correll Buckhalter's would be. :thumbup:

 
Great.......so now the FB we were targetting is gone, all that's left on the free agent RB pile of any worth and youth is Chris Brown (would you want Corey Dillon at this stage of the game?) and as per all the posts above that's Brown's iffy too.

Are they really going to go with Morency and a rookie as the 1-2 punch? It's looking more like it.

TE's - Johnson is gone. McMichael is gone. WTF???!!!

HEY PACKERS! MAKE SOME MOVES TO COMPETE DAMMIT!!!

 
kevthegrad said:
HEY PACKERS! MAKE SOME MOVES TO COMPETE DAMMIT!!!
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Many teams have not "made moves" in free agency yet. No need to panic and even more reason to be happy since the Packers are not "jumping at the bit" to just sign somebody/anybody.Listened to 107.5 this afternoon and the first caller I heard was saying what the OP said... with Havel agreeing. I could just shake my head and laugh.
 
Challenge Everything said:
kevthegrad said:
HEY PACKERS! MAKE SOME MOVES TO COMPETE DAMMIT!!!
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Many teams have not "made moves" in free agency yet. No need to panic and even more reason to be happy since the Packers are not "jumping at the bit" to just sign somebody/anybody.Listened to 107.5 this afternoon and the first caller I heard was saying what the OP said... with Havel agreeing. I could just shake my head and laugh.
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Same thing on the radio in Milwaukee. The radio guys hate Thompson and the idiot callers are all thinking that we have to, HAVE TO trade up to get Lynch because the Packers don't have a RB on their roster. Hmmm, what position do Morency, Herron, or Beach (they are pretty high on him, sleeper alert) play?Anyway, I figure they have something in mind. They'll definitely get a back in day 1. Who it is will probably surprise people, but that's just the way it goes. Packer fans have been pleasantly surprised with the drafting of Nick Barnett, Nick Collins, and Greg Jennings as of late so it is definitely not a bad thing. I doubt the Lynch will be there at 16, if he is great, but if he isn't I'd love to see a guy like Jarrett up in Titletown. Regardless, this will be a great draft and the Packers don't have as many holes to fill as people think so they may just surprise some people this year.Relax Packer fans. We're in the NFC, all is not lost.
 
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