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David Carr will be traded, and Jake Plummer will be the Texans quarterback next season. Plummer will compete with Sage Rosenfels and a rookie Gary Kubiak wants to develop. -- Houston Chronicle

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scor....nfl/index.html

CARR HEADING TO THE JUNKYARD?

A year after the Houston Texans eschewed (thanks, Jim and Phil) an opportunity to draft hometown hero Vince Young by exercising an $8 million option to keep quarterback David Carr, the first overall pick in 2002 could be out of a job.

Owner Bob McNair was noncommittal about Carr on Tuesday, explaining that the former Fresno State signal-caller is being evaluated.

"David has been inconsistent, and we've said that," McNair told the Houston Chronicle. "We've got to get better consistency there, either with David or some additional help.

"A lot depends on what the options are," McNair said. "It's not just a question of, 'Are you totally satisfied with the results at that position?' The real question is, 'What can I do to improve myself at that position?' If I'm not in a position to get someone who is better than the person who is in that position, you're going to continue doing what you've been doing."

Though the market for starting quarterbacks will be a little slim this season, one guy to watch is former Broncos starter Jake Plummer. His days in Denver are done, and the only question at this point is whether he'll be traded or cut.

Plummer could find refuge in Houston, where former Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak is the head coach.

And that's precisely what John McClain of the Houston Chronicle believes will happen. "I'm constantly amazed that Texans fans have listened to or have read comments by McNair, Kubiak and [G.M. Rick] Smith and are convinced that Carr will return," McClain writes.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/4532439.html

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"David has been inconsistent, and we've said that," McNair told the Houston Chronicle. "We've got to get better consistency there, either with David or some additional help."

Jake Plummer....the epitome of consistency.

Houston....you have a problem.

 
The Houston Chronicle is regurgitating what's been talked about since midseason last year when it was becoming clear that for yet another year Carr wasn't cutting it. When Cutler was drafted we knew Snake would be gone, and Kubiak's Texans would be a sensible fit.

The real question is whether Rosenfels has a legit shot at the job or whether that's nonsense. I think if Plummer lands in Houston it's with private assurances he's the guy.

 
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Couch Potato said:
The Houston Chronicle is regurgitating what's been talked about since midseason last year when it was becoming clear that for yet another year Carr wasn't cutting it. When Cutler was drafted we knew Snake would be gone, and Kubiak's Texans would be a sensible fit.
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Exactly. Good call on Houston Chronicle being months behind the Shark Pool.
Couch Potato said:
The real question is whether Rosenfels has a legit shot at the job or whether that's nonsense. I think if Plummer lands in Houston it's with private assurances he's the guy.
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Answer = nonsense
 
My bro-in-law and I werer talking about this the other day. I told him that I believe Lefty's contract is up and could go to the Texans.

Like I said, i think his contract is up. I only see a few teams with a desperate need for a QB.

Texans

Miami?

Carolina

 
derek19 said:
My bro-in-law and I werer talking about this the other day. I told him that I believe Lefty's contract is up and could go to the Texans. Like I said, i think his contract is up. I only see a few teams with a desperate need for a QB.TexansMiami?Carolina
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If Lefty = Byron Leftwich, he's signed thru the 2007 season.
 
derek19 said:
My bro-in-law and I werer talking about this the other day. I told him that I believe Lefty's contract is up and could go to the Texans. Like I said, i think his contract is up. I only see a few teams with a desperate need for a QB.TexansMiami?Carolina
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Tampa Bay
 
I highly doubt any team would trade for Carr and his $11mil price tag over the next 2 seasons. He certainly could be cut, however.

 
BigTex said:
Good for Carr. :angry:
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GREAT for the Texans. Dump the LOSER who has never had a winning season and grab a QB who is not a coward. Bump up Andre Johnson. Bump down the offensive players of whatever team is foolish enough to pick up the hack David Carr.
 
lod2005 said:
BigTex said:
Good for Carr. :lmao:
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GREAT for the Texans. Dump the LOSER who has never had a winning season and grab a QB who is not a coward. Bump up Andre Johnson. Bump down the offensive players of whatever team is foolish enough to pick up the hack David Carr.
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I can't think how losing Carr would bump up AJ. A better QB may follow his read progression rather than locking onto AJ. I'd have to think he'd get less targets with a better QB.
 
Punchie said:
lod2005 said:
BigTex said:
Good for Carr. :lmao:
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GREAT for the Texans. Dump the LOSER who has never had a winning season and grab a QB who is not a coward. Bump up Andre Johnson. Bump down the offensive players of whatever team is foolish enough to pick up the hack David Carr.
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I can't think how losing Carr would bump up AJ. A better QB may follow his read progression rather than locking onto AJ. I'd have to think he'd get less targets with a better QB.
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Yes but those targets would be more quality. When Carr actually hung in long enough to throw downfield to Andre, Andre converted those throws into big plays. By midseason, Carr was back to his timid self, and Andre was back to lots of 8-80 type lines.Ill take 5-100-1 over 8-80 anyday.
 
Is Jake that much better than Carr?

The OL problem in Texas caused some of the problems with Carr but Jake has good protection in Denver and still was bad. I can't imagine Jake improving that offense - if anything it would be a complete Chinese fire drill with that OL.

 
The problem for Carr has been consistent pass protection. He needs a team that will provide something more than a turnstile for the pass rush.

It is funny to think that Houston perceives Plummer as being better. Houston needs to beef up their line and then draft a good passer.

Unfortunately for Carr, most teams needing his services likely have line problems to begin with. Carr, with his salary, can't be traded without his cooperation. I think you will see him cut, a year after Houston passed on the hometown hero, instead opting to pay Carr $8 MILLION. I still can't fathom why you pass on a QB that already has the hometown juice, especially when you have a question at the position. I understand passing on the RB, but not the QB.

 
Plummer is more mobile than Carr and can mask some pass protection deficiencies. He knows how to run the kind of offense Kubes wants to implement.

I think Plummers confidence was shot in 2006 with Cutler coming in - that wouldn't be the case in Hou. Plummer may still throw a good # of picks, but at least he won't get sacked nearly as much.

 
Carr is a broken QB mentally. He doesn't make many bad plays, but he doesn't hang in to make good plays anymore. He needs a change of scenery. Plummer will be an improvement because he'll be back with the guy who unlocked his potential (Kubiak). Plummer makes some stupid plays, but he can also create on his own, something Carr has lost the ability to do.

 
Jacksonville maybe in the mix???

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9981491

SNAKING AROUND

Since the Broncos benched quarterback Jake Plummer, speculation has persisted about where he would end up in 2007.

But Broncos coach Mike Shanahan made it clear this week he will determine that because Denver intends to trade Plummer, not cut him.

Shanahan pointed out that the Broncos deserve compensation for a quarterback who has compiled a 40-18 record as a starter in Denver.

And Denver could have another factor working in its favor. The two teams expected to be the most interested in Plummer, Houston and Jacksonville, each has a coach familiar with him.

In Houston, Texans head coach Gary Kubiak worked with Plummer in Denver. In Jacksonville, Jaguars offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter is the former Arizona State head coach. Koetter admires Plummer, Plummer admires Koetter. If Kubiak and the Texans don't stand in the way, the two could be working together again.
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You have to wonder why the Browns don't feel the need to do something. Pretty much every sign points to Frye being a bust. Unless they're targeting Russell/Quinn, maybe, though I would rather get Joe Thomas and move Shaffer to RT.

In any case, Plummer with Kubiak makes a lot of sense. Jacksonville is insane not to stick with Lefty, he was clearly the better QB last year - their WR corps was kinda like Atlanta's, size & speed but can't hold on to the ball, which was the source of most of the problems. Reggie Williams is lucky Rogers was taken ahead of him, or he'd be recognized as the bust he is.

 
Josh the FunkDOC said:
You have to wonder why the Browns don't feel the need to do something. Pretty much every sign points to Frye being a bust. Unless they're targeting Russell/Quinn, maybe, though I would rather get Joe Thomas and move Shaffer to RT.In any case, Plummer with Kubiak makes a lot of sense. Jacksonville is insane not to stick with Lefty, he was clearly the better QB last year - their WR corps was kinda like Atlanta's, size & speed but can't hold on to the ball, which was the source of most of the problems. Reggie Williams is lucky Rogers was taken ahead of him, or he'd be recognized as the bust he is.
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What makes you think the Browns don't feel the need to do something? I doubt they'll draft Brady Quinn, but I think they'll bring in a veteran to compete with Frye or start above him (I would try to upgrade on Frye as well, but I think it's too early to call him a bust).I couldn't agree more on the Leftwich/Jags situation. Good comparison with the reaches at WR in Atlanta.
 
Plummer isn't necessarily the most consistent QB out there but he did a pretty good job with the Broncos, all things considered.

When you've:

(a) led the Cardinals to their only playoff victory since 1947 and

(b) led the Broncos to their only playoff victory without Elway since 1977,

There's a possibility that you don't completely suck. :shrug:

 
Punchie said:
lod2005 said:
BigTex said:
Good for Carr. :goodposting:
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GREAT for the Texans. Dump the LOSER who has never had a winning season and grab a QB who is not a coward. Bump up Andre Johnson. Bump down the offensive players of whatever team is foolish enough to pick up the hack David Carr.
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I can't think how losing Carr would bump up AJ. A better QB may follow his read progression rather than locking onto AJ. I'd have to think he'd get less targets with a better QB.
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Actually one of Plummer's biggest faults is his tendency to lock onto his #1 WR and throw it is way when he often shouldn't.
 
Demons said:
The problem for Carr has been consistent pass protection. He needs a team that will provide something more than a turnstile for the pass rush.It is funny to think that Houston perceives Plummer as being better. Houston needs to beef up their line and then draft a good passer.Unfortunately for Carr, most teams needing his services likely have line problems to begin with. Carr, with his salary, can't be traded without his cooperation. I think you will see him cut, a year after Houston passed on the hometown hero, instead opting to pay Carr $8 MILLION. I still can't fathom why you pass on a QB that already has the hometown juice, especially when you have a question at the position. I understand passing on the RB, but not the QB.
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It's very difficult to build up your o-line and draft a stud QB. If they can get an above average QB through FA or trade, then they can address their o-line much easier then using a #8 pick on a QB. Plus their is the risk factor. Kubiak knows for sure what Plummer can do, who knows about any of the guys in the draft.
 
Punchie said:
lod2005 said:
BigTex said:
Good for Carr. :D
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GREAT for the Texans. Dump the LOSER who has never had a winning season and grab a QB who is not a coward. Bump up Andre Johnson. Bump down the offensive players of whatever team is foolish enough to pick up the hack David Carr.
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I can't think how losing Carr would bump up AJ. A better QB may follow his read progression rather than locking onto AJ. I'd have to think he'd get less targets with a better QB.
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:blackdot: The man has been running for his life since he's been in Houston.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Yes but those targets would be more quality. When Carr actually hung in long enough to throw downfield to Andre, Andre converted those throws into big plays. By midseason, Carr was back to his timid self, and Andre was back to lots of 8-80 type lines.Ill take 5-100-1 over 8-80 anyday.
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Exactly. Yardage totals will increase without Carr because Carr's best pass is a 5 yarder and hope the receiver can do the rest.
 
BigTex said:
;) The man has been running for his life since he's been in Houston.
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That's what happens when you can't read a defense. You look at your primary receiver, if he is covered, you tuck the football in, put your head down and haul ### towards the sidelines. THAT is David Carr. He runs because he sucks.
 
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10021837

A NEW CARR

After watching the college quarterbacks this weekend and further assessing the potential free-agent class, the Houston Texans came away even more convinced that David Carr will be their quarterback this season.

Up until now, the Texans have said they would listen to offers for Carr, but never have committed to trading him. And upon further review, Texans officials now believe that Carr is their best alternative and they won't be making a trade for Denver's Jake Plummer or any other quarterback.
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I believe two elements in the market, the Texans not be able to get much for Carr and the fact that Plummer/Garcia etc are not inheriently any better than Carr play into apparently Davis remaining a Texan.
 
A NEW CARR

After watching the college quarterbacks this weekend and further assessing the potential free-agent class, the Houston Texans came away even more convinced that David Carr will be their quarterback this season.

Up until now, the Texans have said they would listen to offers for Carr, but never have committed to trading him. And upon further review, Texans officials now believe that Carr is their best alternative and they won't be making a trade for Denver's Jake Plummer or any other quarterback.
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ANOTHER LOSING season for the Texans. Bank on it.
 
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