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Notes from Kiper on Mike & Mike (1 Viewer)

jeter23

jeter23

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Mel Kiper Jr. is a guest every Friday on Mike & Mike in the Morning. Now that the season is over, his chats will focus 100% on the draft and related events (pro days, combine, etc).

Each week, I will post his comments for discussion.

Quinn falling? Could be similar to Leinart. Many teams in top 10 don't have need for QB. There are mixed opinions on him and many are not sold on his ability.

AD in the top 5 and his rise affects Quinn. If Cleveland doesn't take him, someone may move up to get him.

Early draft projections are like a puzzle with one player affecting another.

He didn't have much to say today and talked mainly about the top names (Quinn, AD). He didn't mention specific teams other than to say that Houston may have to move up if they want to get Peterson.

 
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I would love it if Quinn fell to the Texans at #8. He could sit behind Plummer/Rosenfels for a year, then assume the reigns.

 
Festivus said:
I would love it if Quinn fell to the Texans at #8. He could sit behind Plummer/Rosenfels for a year, then assume the reigns.
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It's odd, because I have heard from Kiper and others that Quinn could fall, but I haven't seen the Quinn/Texans predicition. It makes a lot of sense.
 
LHUCKS said:
fruity pebbles said:
Think the AD hype is going to approach the Reggie hype
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Reggie lived up to it so I don't know that it was hype.
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Normally I agree with you LH but come on, did he really live to the hype?He did not even rush for 600 yards!For where he was taken in the draft he served his purpose of helping to gain fan interest but he was not a difference maker as a runner and his only real impact was as a compliment to the better back in Deuce as a pass catcher out of the backfield.While I do not want a Reggie vs Deuce debate, it does strick me as odd that you would say that Bush lived to the hype.Tom
 
ffchamp1 said:
He did not even rush for 600 yards!
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You seem to be forgetting some other yards he gained.
and his only real impact was as a compliment to the better back in Deuce as a pass catcher out of the backfield.
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that was a pretty significant impact. stop being disingenuous.
 
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Capella said:
ffchamp1 said:
He did not even rush for 600 yards!
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You seem to be forgetting some other yards he gained.
and his only real impact was as a compliment to the better back in Deuce as a pass catcher out of the backfield.
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that was a pretty significant impact. stop being disingenuous.
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:bag: Have to agree with Cap here.... Bush was never slated as the next 1,000 yard rusher. He's a Westbrook type RB.Certainly a very solid first season and a very good player in PPR leagues.Bush was #17 RB in FBG (no PPR) scoring, and #9 in PPR / WCOFF scoring. In a WCOFF-style league I'm in he was the 9th RB.That's good for a seasoned vet, let alone a rook, and I wasn't a huge proponent of Bush entering 2006.
 
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ffchamp1 said:
LHUCKS said:
fruity pebbles said:
Think the AD hype is going to approach the Reggie hype
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Reggie lived up to it so I don't know that it was hype.
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Normally I agree with you LH but come on, did he really live to the hype?He did not even rush for 600 yards!For where he was taken in the draft he served his purpose of helping to gain fan interest but he was not a difference maker as a runner and his only real impact was as a compliment to the better back in Deuce as a pass catcher out of the backfield.While I do not want a Reggie vs Deuce debate, it does strick me as odd that you would say that Bush lived to the hype.Tom
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Why would you think it odd that Lhucks compliments a USC player?He's actually right here though, just watching a few Saints games would show that he lived up to the hype.
 
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Think the AD hype is going to approach the Reggie hype of last year as we get closer to draft day.
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who is this AD you guys speak of? Is Adrian Peterson known as "AD" around the football world, or is there a prospect with those initials? I only ask because two guys have referred to AD?
 
eefflrat said:
fruity pebbles said:
Think the AD hype is going to approach the Reggie hype of last year as we get closer to draft day.
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who is this AD you guys speak of? Is Adrian Peterson known as "AD" around the football world, or is there a prospect with those initials? I only ask because two guys have referred to AD?
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Peterson's nickname is AD "All Day"
 
jeter23 said:
Festivus said:
I would love it if Quinn fell to the Texans at #8. He could sit behind Plummer/Rosenfels for a year, then assume the reigns.
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It's odd, because I have heard from Kiper and others that Quinn could fall, but I haven't seen the Quinn/Texans predicition. It makes a lot of sense.
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I doubt this happens and I hope i never happens. I dont think Quinn would be a big upgrade over Carr. We already have 1 pretty boy QB. We dont need another one.
 
jeter23 said:
He didn't have much to say today and talked mainly about the top names (Quinn, AD). He didn't mention specific teams other than to say that Houston may have to move up if they want to get Peterson.
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Not be a ESPN advertisement remember that Kiper has his own shown on Saturday like 10-2 central and there is a NFL show that foolows. One more football :yes: note the NFL network will have a daily draft show starting Monday.Back, to Houston, the stuff floating around rumor mills here are that the Texans want to either Joe Thomas or Peterson, but are not willing to pay the costs to move up because of the overall lack of talent and depth to move up.
 
coolnerd said:
jeter23 said:
He didn't have much to say today and talked mainly about the top names (Quinn, AD). He didn't mention specific teams other than to say that Houston may have to move up if they want to get Peterson.
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Not be a ESPN advertisement remember that Kiper has his own shown on Saturday like 10-2 central and there is a NFL show that foolows. One more football :confused: note the NFL network will have a daily draft show starting Monday.Back, to Houston, the stuff floating around rumor mills here are that the Texans want to either Joe Thomas or Peterson, but are not willing to pay the costs to move up because of the overall lack of talent and depth to move up.
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Thanks for the reminders CN. That is interesting about Houston. I could see AD still falling (doubtful), but Thomas won't fall to them @ 8.As a Texans homer, who do you want?
 
jeter23 said:
coolnerd said:
jeter23 said:
He didn't have much to say today and talked mainly about the top names (Quinn, AD). He didn't mention specific teams other than to say that Houston may have to move up if they want to get Peterson.
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Not be a ESPN advertisement remember that Kiper has his own shown on Saturday like 10-2 central and there is a NFL show that foolows. One more football :confused: note the NFL network will have a daily draft show starting Monday.Back, to Houston, the stuff floating around rumor mills here are that the Texans want to either Joe Thomas or Peterson, but are not willing to pay the costs to move up because of the overall lack of talent and depth to move up.
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Thanks for the reminders CN. That is interesting about Houston. I could see AD still falling (doubtful), but Thomas won't fall to them @ 8.As a Texans homer, who do you want?
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As a Texan homer i would want either of the 2 senerios:1.Trade 2nd or 3rd for McGahee.Draft Okoye in the first.If we trade a 2nd for McGahee then take Kolb or Stanton in the 3rd.If we trade a 3rd for Mcgahee then take the best DB.2.Draft AD (if he falls if not trade down)Draft the best DB whether S or CB in the 2nd3rd draft Kolb or Stanton.I'd be happy if either of those happened.
 
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jeter23 said:
coolnerd said:
jeter23 said:
He didn't have much to say today and talked mainly about the top names (Quinn, AD). He didn't mention specific teams other than to say that Houston may have to move up if they want to get Peterson.
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Not be a ESPN advertisement remember that Kiper has his own shown on Saturday like 10-2 central and there is a NFL show that foolows. One more football :confused: note the NFL network will have a daily draft show starting Monday.Back, to Houston, the stuff floating around rumor mills here are that the Texans want to either Joe Thomas or Peterson, but are not willing to pay the costs to move up because of the overall lack of talent and depth to move up.
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Thanks for the reminders CN. That is interesting about Houston. I could see AD still falling (doubtful), but Thomas won't fall to them @ 8.As a Texans homer, who do you want?
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I am also a Texans homer and would love Jamaal ndersonif her were still around. I am a big proponent of solidifying your lines.
 
prymetyme25 said:
jeter23 said:
coolnerd said:
jeter23 said:
He didn't have much to say today and talked mainly about the top names (Quinn, AD). He didn't mention specific teams other than to say that Houston may have to move up if they want to get Peterson.
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Not be a ESPN advertisement remember that Kiper has his own shown on Saturday like 10-2 central and there is a NFL show that foolows. One more football :goodposting: note the NFL network will have a daily draft show starting Monday.Back, to Houston, the stuff floating around rumor mills here are that the Texans want to either Joe Thomas or Peterson, but are not willing to pay the costs to move up because of the overall lack of talent and depth to move up.
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Thanks for the reminders CN. That is interesting about Houston. I could see AD still falling (doubtful), but Thomas won't fall to them @ 8.As a Texans homer, who do you want?
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As a Texan homer i would want either of the 2 senerios:1.Trade 2nd or 3rd for McGahee.Draft Okoye in the first.If we trade a 2nd for McGahee then take Kolb or Stanton in the 3rd.If we trade a 3rd for Mcgahee then take the best DB.2.Draft AD (if he falls if not trade down)Draft the best DB whether S or CB in the 2nd3rd draft Kolb or Stanton.I'd be happy if either of those happened.
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Most are saying that Stanton is moving up and could be the QB3, likely in the 2nd. Plenty of time to move up or down though.
 
jeter23 said:
prymetyme25 said:
jeter23 said:
coolnerd said:
jeter23 said:
He didn't have much to say today and talked mainly about the top names (Quinn, AD). He didn't mention specific teams other than to say that Houston may have to move up if they want to get Peterson.
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Not be a ESPN advertisement remember that Kiper has his own shown on Saturday like 10-2 central and there is a NFL show that foolows. One more football :nerd: note the NFL network will have a daily draft show starting Monday.Back, to Houston, the stuff floating around rumor mills here are that the Texans want to either Joe Thomas or Peterson, but are not willing to pay the costs to move up because of the overall lack of talent and depth to move up.
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Thanks for the reminders CN. That is interesting about Houston. I could see AD still falling (doubtful), but Thomas won't fall to them @ 8.As a Texans homer, who do you want?
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As a Texan homer i would want either of the 2 senerios:1.Trade 2nd or 3rd for McGahee.Draft Okoye in the first.If we trade a 2nd for McGahee then take Kolb or Stanton in the 3rd.If we trade a 3rd for Mcgahee then take the best DB.2.Draft AD (if he falls if not trade down)Draft the best DB whether S or CB in the 2nd3rd draft Kolb or Stanton.I'd be happy if either of those happened.
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Most are saying that Stanton is moving up and could be the QB3, likely in the 2nd. Plenty of time to move up or down though.
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Honestly I would prefer Kolb since whoever we draft will be groomed and not thrown into the fire. I see him as being able to be coached into a stud qb moreso than Stanton. IMO
 
Getinthemix said:
jeter23 said:
coolnerd said:
jeter23 said:
He didn't have much to say today and talked mainly about the top names (Quinn, AD). He didn't mention specific teams other than to say that Houston may have to move up if they want to get Peterson.
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Not be a ESPN advertisement remember that Kiper has his own shown on Saturday like 10-2 central and there is a NFL show that foolows. One more football :shrug: note the NFL network will have a daily draft show starting Monday.Back, to Houston, the stuff floating around rumor mills here are that the Texans want to either Joe Thomas or Peterson, but are not willing to pay the costs to move up because of the overall lack of talent and depth to move up.
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Thanks for the reminders CN. That is interesting about Houston. I could see AD still falling (doubtful), but Thomas won't fall to them @ 8.As a Texans homer, who do you want?
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I am also a Texans homer and would love Jamaal ndersonif her were still around. I am a big proponent of solidifying your lines.
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I don't see Thomas or AD falling to them. Also, I am a proponent on solidifying your lines. I think that Anderson or trading down a few picks for Brown would be good picks for the Texans.
 
Irish said:
LHUCKS said:
fruity pebbles said:
Think the AD hype is going to approach the Reggie hype
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Reggie lived up to it so I don't know that it was hype.
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:shrug: 565 yards rushing on 3.6 avg is not living up to the hyped given to the next Sayers.
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I think there are two different discussions going on here. Did Buch live up to the hype in fantasy? YesDid he live up to the hype as an NFL player? Questionable.
 
jeter23 said:
Irish said:
LHUCKS said:
fruity pebbles said:
Think the AD hype is going to approach the Reggie hype
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Reggie lived up to it so I don't know that it was hype.
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:shrug: 565 yards rushing on 3.6 avg is not living up to the hyped given to the next Sayers.
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I think there are two different discussions going on here. Did Buch live up to the hype in fantasy? YesDid he live up to the hype as an NFL player? Questionable.
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In a non PPR league I beg to differ that Bush lived up to his FF hype.
 
jeter23 said:
Festivus said:
I would love it if Quinn fell to the Texans at #8. He could sit behind Plummer/Rosenfels for a year, then assume the reigns.
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It's odd, because I have heard from Kiper and others that Quinn could fall, but I haven't seen the Quinn/Texans predicition. It makes a lot of sense.
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If the Texans take Quinn, Bob McNair may never be able to show his face in Houston again. There is so little talent overall on this team that it would be a huge waste to draft a QB so high. Plus, after having passed on VY last year in favor of Carr, if they draft a QB #1 this year he'll forever be compared to VY - and that wouldnt be good for either Russel or Quinn.
 
Irish said:
LHUCKS said:
fruity pebbles said:
Think the AD hype is going to approach the Reggie hype
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Reggie lived up to it so I don't know that it was hype.
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:goodposting: 565 yards rushing on 3.6 avg is not living up to the hyped given to the next Sayers.
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This is weak. Trust me, I would love to slam the guy for the sake of disagreeing with LHUCKS but Bush did live up to the hype. 1307 total yards and 8 TDs + a punt return for a TD in a rookie season is pretty outstanding especially when considering he wasn't a feature back. Also he did average 4.8 YPC the last 8 games.
 
Irish said:
jeter23 said:
Irish said:
LHUCKS said:
fruity pebbles said:
Think the AD hype is going to approach the Reggie hype
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Reggie lived up to it so I don't know that it was hype.
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:goodposting: 565 yards rushing on 3.6 avg is not living up to the hyped given to the next Sayers.
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I think there are two different discussions going on here. Did Buch live up to the hype in fantasy? YesDid he live up to the hype as an NFL player? Questionable.
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In a non PPR league I beg to differ that Bush lived up to his FF hype.
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I'm sure that anybody using an early pick on Bush may have been disappointed but I don't think you can blame Bush for FF owners drafting a rookie RB that isn't the feature back too early and expecting LT like numbers. Given his situation and his production I think Bush had a great year.
 
-OZ- said:
ffchamp1 said:
LHUCKS said:
fruity pebbles said:
Think the AD hype is going to approach the Reggie hype
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Reggie lived up to it so I don't know that it was hype.
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Normally I agree with you LH but come on, did he really live to the hype?He did not even rush for 600 yards!For where he was taken in the draft he served his purpose of helping to gain fan interest but he was not a difference maker as a runner and his only real impact was as a compliment to the better back in Deuce as a pass catcher out of the backfield.While I do not want a Reggie vs Deuce debate, it does strick me as odd that you would say that Bush lived to the hype.Tom
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Why would you think it odd that Lhucks compliments a USC player?He's actually right here though, just watching a few Saints games would show that he lived up to the hype.
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I think that he had a very good and solid rookie year but I don't think he lived up to the hype at all. He was hyped like Lebron- expected to be one of the very best right from the start. I don't think Reggie is close to a #5 overall RB(I'm talking real life, not fantasy). He was hyped as one of the all time greats.
 
Domination said:
Getinthemix said:
jeter23 said:
coolnerd said:
jeter23 said:
He didn't have much to say today and talked mainly about the top names (Quinn, AD). He didn't mention specific teams other than to say that Houston may have to move up if they want to get Peterson.
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Not be a ESPN advertisement remember that Kiper has his own shown on Saturday like 10-2 central and there is a NFL show that foolows. One more football :lmao: note the NFL network will have a daily draft show starting Monday.Back, to Houston, the stuff floating around rumor mills here are that the Texans want to either Joe Thomas or Peterson, but are not willing to pay the costs to move up because of the overall lack of talent and depth to move up.
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Thanks for the reminders CN. That is interesting about Houston. I could see AD still falling (doubtful), but Thomas won't fall to them @ 8.As a Texans homer, who do you want?
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I am also a Texans homer and would love Jamaal ndersonif her were still around. I am a big proponent of solidifying your lines.
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I don't see Thomas or AD falling to them. Also, I am a proponent on solidifying your lines. I think that Anderson or trading down a few picks for Brown would be good picks for the Texans.
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I would love to see AD fall to us or even take Lynch in the 1st and then grab Kolb in the 2nd or 3rd. It would be nice if we could get him in the 3rd but I don't know if he will fall that far. He would be a very popular pick and a nice QB to sit and watch for a year or 2.
 
jeter23 said:
coolnerd said:
jeter23 said:
He didn't have much to say today and talked mainly about the top names (Quinn, AD). He didn't mention specific teams other than to say that Houston may have to move up if they want to get Peterson.
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Not be a ESPN advertisement remember that Kiper has his own shown on Saturday like 10-2 central and there is a NFL show that foolows. One more football :nerd: note the NFL network will have a daily draft show starting Monday.Back, to Houston, the stuff floating around rumor mills here are that the Texans want to either Joe Thomas or Peterson, but are not willing to pay the costs to move up because of the overall lack of talent and depth to move up.
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Thanks for the reminders CN. That is interesting about Houston. I could see AD still falling (doubtful), but Thomas won't fall to them @ 8.As a Texans homer, who do you want?
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If Thomas or Peterson were both sitting there, I would go Thomas. I love Peterson, but a team is more likely to find/tape together, etc a running game than an OLT. I have seen five years of LT bandaids. Outside of that I want them to go BPA. There are no position groups where the Texans don't need an upgrade and need for them is a relative term. The only thing that would make me blink is a QB in the first round or a pure MLB on the first day.
 
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Assani Fisher said:
-OZ- said:
ffchamp1 said:
LHUCKS said:
fruity pebbles said:
Think the AD hype is going to approach the Reggie hype
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Reggie lived up to it so I don't know that it was hype.
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Normally I agree with you LH but come on, did he really live to the hype?He did not even rush for 600 yards!For where he was taken in the draft he served his purpose of helping to gain fan interest but he was not a difference maker as a runner and his only real impact was as a compliment to the better back in Deuce as a pass catcher out of the backfield.While I do not want a Reggie vs Deuce debate, it does strick me as odd that you would say that Bush lived to the hype.Tom
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Why would you think it odd that Lhucks compliments a USC player?He's actually right here though, just watching a few Saints games would show that he lived up to the hype.
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I think that he had a very good and solid rookie year but I don't think he lived up to the hype at all. He was hyped like Lebron- expected to be one of the very best right from the start. I don't think Reggie is close to a #5 overall RB(I'm talking real life, not fantasy). He was hyped as one of the all time greats.
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Name the NFL players who came into the league and made anywhere near the impact Lebron did as a rookie. :banned: It's a different game, and Bush made a huge impact, period. Very few of us were saying Bush would come in and dominate the league immediately. We did say he'd have a big impact and perform very well in PPR leagues. He did. Granted, Brees and Colston deserve as much or more credit, but the Saints had the #2 pick last year and made the NFC championship this year. Bush deserves credit for part of that.It's been said many times already, but Bush's value is only partially tied to his running.
 
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Name the NFL players who came into the league and made anywhere near the impact Lebron did as a rookie. :thumbup:
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I agree with your point on Bush.To answer the question, in the last few years, I can only name Randy Moss & Jevon Kearse off the top of my head. Pretty few and far between.
 
mnesvig said:
5Rings said:
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Name the NFL players who came into the league and made anywhere near the impact Lebron did as a rookie. :tumbleweed:
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I agree with your point on Bush.To answer the question, in the last few years, I can only name Randy Moss & Jevon Kearse off the top of my head. Pretty few and far between.
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Colston had a pretty big impact as a rookie this year.
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Boldin, Merriman and Roethlisberger also made a signficant impact as rookies.
 
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RC94 said:
mnesvig said:
5Rings said:
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Name the NFL players who came into the league and made anywhere near the impact Lebron did as a rookie. :thumbup:
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I agree with your point on Bush.To answer the question, in the last few years, I can only name Randy Moss & Jevon Kearse off the top of my head. Pretty few and far between.
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Colston had a pretty big impact as a rookie this year.
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Merriman and Roethlisberger also made a signficant impact as rookies.
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FWIW, San Diego actually lost 3 more games in Merriman's rookie year than the year before. He did have 10 sacks, but didn't make the pro bowl as a rookie.Roethlisberger probably belongs in the same group as Moss and Kearse.
 
-OZ- said:
RC94 said:
mnesvig said:
5Rings said:
-OZ- said:
Name the NFL players who came into the league and made anywhere near the impact Lebron did as a rookie. :thumbup:
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I agree with your point on Bush.To answer the question, in the last few years, I can only name Randy Moss & Jevon Kearse off the top of my head. Pretty few and far between.
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Colston had a pretty big impact as a rookie this year.
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Merriman and Roethlisberger also made a signficant impact as rookies.
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FWIW, San Diego actually lost 3 more games in Merriman's rookie year than the year before. He did have 10 sacks, but didn't make the pro bowl as a rookie.Roethlisberger probably belongs in the same group as Moss and Kearse.
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I edited in Boldin as well before I saw your post.
 
-OZ- said:
RC94 said:
mnesvig said:
5Rings said:
-OZ- said:
Name the NFL players who came into the league and made anywhere near the impact Lebron did as a rookie. :construction:
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I agree with your point on Bush.To answer the question, in the last few years, I can only name Randy Moss & Jevon Kearse off the top of my head. Pretty few and far between.
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Colston had a pretty big impact as a rookie this year.
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Merriman and Roethlisberger also made a signficant impact as rookies.
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FWIW, San Diego actually lost 3 more games in Merriman's rookie year than the year before. He did have 10 sacks, but didn't make the pro bowl as a rookie.Roethlisberger probably belongs in the same group as Moss and Kearse.
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Colston, Roeth, and Merriman all had excellent rookie seasons.However, I believe the OP, when referring to LeBron, was talking about game-changing impact players, of which those three were not. The impact Moss and Kearse had on the NFL>>>>the other 3 named.Point being "game changing saviors" like Bush was supposed to be are few and far between.
 
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RC94 said:
mnesvig said:
5Rings said:
-OZ- said:
Name the NFL players who came into the league and made anywhere near the impact Lebron did as a rookie. :shock:
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I agree with your point on Bush.To answer the question, in the last few years, I can only name Randy Moss & Jevon Kearse off the top of my head. Pretty few and far between.
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Colston had a pretty big impact as a rookie this year.
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Merriman and Roethlisberger also made a signficant impact as rookies.
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FWIW, San Diego actually lost 3 more games in Merriman's rookie year than the year before. He did have 10 sacks, but didn't make the pro bowl as a rookie.Roethlisberger probably belongs in the same group as Moss and Kearse.
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Im pretty sure Merriman made the pro-bowl his rookie season
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
-OZ- said:
RC94 said:
mnesvig said:
5Rings said:
-OZ- said:
Name the NFL players who came into the league and made anywhere near the impact Lebron did as a rookie. :shock:
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I agree with your point on Bush.To answer the question, in the last few years, I can only name Randy Moss & Jevon Kearse off the top of my head. Pretty few and far between.
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Colston had a pretty big impact as a rookie this year.
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Merriman and Roethlisberger also made a signficant impact as rookies.
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FWIW, San Diego actually lost 3 more games in Merriman's rookie year than the year before. He did have 10 sacks, but didn't make the pro bowl as a rookie.Roethlisberger probably belongs in the same group as Moss and Kearse.
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Im pretty sure Merriman made the pro-bowl his rookie season
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I was going off of: http://pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg2005.htmPro Bowlers: Antonio Gates (te), Hanik Milligan (db), Lorenzo Neal (rb), LaDainian Tomlinson (rb), Jamal Williams (dl).

It appears that while the 2005 stats are listed, it uses the Jan 2005 Pro bowl roster. The moderator of that site may want to change this.

 
Kiper was finally back on Mike & Mike after a 2 weeks absence. Here is what he had to say.

* With Oakland after Garcia, could they pass on Russell?- Kiper does not have Russell in his top 3 prospects so would not be surprised if they pass on Russell. He said Oakland made a mistake by passing on Cutler/Leinart last year, which is pretty obvious at this point. He was trying to make the point that you should have foresight and also take the talent that falls.

* Distance between Quinn and Russell?- Not much, but there are several good players at other positions that rank ahead of them. It is not always about the QB.

* Arizona and Washington are just outside of the elite tier and the top 4 will get a great player.

* Greg Olsen is "shooting up the board."

 
jeter23 said:
Kiper was finally back on Mike & Mike. Here is what he had to say.

* With Oakland after Garcia, could they pass on Russell - Kiper does not have Russell in his top 3 prospects so would not be surprised if they pass on Russell.
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He's assuming that Al Davis thinks like he does. That's dangerous.
He said Oakland made a mistake by passing on Cutler/Leinart last year, which is pretty obvious at this point.
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I called for Leinart in the draft thread here when the Raiders were on the clock at 1.07 last year, so I agree to a point. However, I still think Huff will be a special talent. He spent most of last season figuring out where to line up. Ryan's defense can be difficult on rookies. Also, I need to see Cutler and Leinart take another step or two in their respective progressions before I officially declare the Huff selection a "mistake."
 
RAIDERNATION said:
jeter23 said:
Kiper was finally back on Mike & Mike. Here is what he had to say.

* With Oakland after Garcia, could they pass on Russell - Kiper does not have Russell in his top 3 prospects so would not be surprised if they pass on Russell.
Click to expand...
He's assuming that Al Davis thinks like he does. That's dangerous.
He said Oakland made a mistake by passing on Cutler/Leinart last year, which is pretty obvious at this point.
Click to expand...
I called for Leinart in the draft thread here when the Raiders were on the clock at 1.07 last year, so I agree to a point. However, I still think Huff will be a special talent. He spent most of last season figuring out where to line up. Ryan's defense can be difficult on rookies. Also, I need to see Cutler and Leinart take another step or two in their respective progressions before I officially declare the Huff selection a "mistake."
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Yer team wants to sign Garcia. I think you can call it a mistake pretty safely at this point. At this point, anything the Raiders do has to be considered a mistake until proven otherwise. Shell, Moss, Porter, Gallery, Brooks, Jordan..... quite a streak they have goin there.... I'll give ya Howard Thomas though, he wasn't a mistake.
 
Last year I thought the Raiders should have selected a QB as well, but it may have been a blessing in disguise. A rookie QB may have been damaged beyond repair with that coaching staff and offensive line from last season.

 
Rovers said:
RAIDERNATION said:
jeter23 said:
Kiper was finally back on Mike & Mike. Here is what he had to say.

* With Oakland after Garcia, could they pass on Russell - Kiper does not have Russell in his top 3 prospects so would not be surprised if they pass on Russell.
Click to expand...
He's assuming that Al Davis thinks like he does. That's dangerous.
He said Oakland made a mistake by passing on Cutler/Leinart last year, which is pretty obvious at this point.
Click to expand...
I called for Leinart in the draft thread here when the Raiders were on the clock at 1.07 last year, so I agree to a point. However, I still think Huff will be a special talent. He spent most of last season figuring out where to line up. Ryan's defense can be difficult on rookies. Also, I need to see Cutler and Leinart take another step or two in their respective progressions before I officially declare the Huff selection a "mistake."
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Yer team wants to sign Garcia. I think you can call it a mistake pretty safely at this point. At this point, anything the Raiders do has to be considered a mistake until proven otherwise. Shell, Moss, Porter, Gallery, Brooks, Jordan..... quite a streak they have goin there.... I'll give ya Howard Thomas though, he wasn't a mistake.
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Thomas Howard is pretty good, too.
 
RAIDERNATION said:
Rovers said:
RAIDERNATION said:
jeter23 said:
Kiper was finally back on Mike & Mike. Here is what he had to say.

* With Oakland after Garcia, could they pass on Russell - Kiper does not have Russell in his top 3 prospects so would not be surprised if they pass on Russell.
Click to expand...
He's assuming that Al Davis thinks like he does. That's dangerous.
He said Oakland made a mistake by passing on Cutler/Leinart last year, which is pretty obvious at this point.
Click to expand...
I called for Leinart in the draft thread here when the Raiders were on the clock at 1.07 last year, so I agree to a point. However, I still think Huff will be a special talent. He spent most of last season figuring out where to line up. Ryan's defense can be difficult on rookies. Also, I need to see Cutler and Leinart take another step or two in their respective progressions before I officially declare the Huff selection a "mistake."
Click to expand...
Yer team wants to sign Garcia. I think you can call it a mistake pretty safely at this point. At this point, anything the Raiders do has to be considered a mistake until proven otherwise. Shell, Moss, Porter, Gallery, Brooks, Jordan..... quite a streak they have goin there.... I'll give ya Howard Thomas though, he wasn't a mistake.
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Thomas Howard is pretty good, too.
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Ah.... yeah, that's what I said.... didn't I?
 
5Rings said:
-OZ- said:
RC94 said:
mnesvig said:
5Rings said:
-OZ- said:
Name the NFL players who came into the league and made anywhere near the impact Lebron did as a rookie. :tumbleweed:
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I agree with your point on Bush.To answer the question, in the last few years, I can only name Randy Moss & Jevon Kearse off the top of my head. Pretty few and far between.
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Colston had a pretty big impact as a rookie this year.
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Merriman and Roethlisberger also made a signficant impact as rookies.
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FWIW, San Diego actually lost 3 more games in Merriman's rookie year than the year before. He did have 10 sacks, but didn't make the pro bowl as a rookie.Roethlisberger probably belongs in the same group as Moss and Kearse.
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Colston, Roeth, and Merriman all had excellent rookie seasons.However, I believe the OP, when referring to LeBron, was talking about game-changing impact players, of which those three were not. The impact Moss and Kearse had on the NFL>>>>the other 3 named.Point being "game changing saviors" like Bush was supposed to be are few and far between.
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Reggie Bush 88 receptions, 1300* yards, 8 TDsAnquan Boldin 101 receptions, 1377 yards, 8 TDsRandy Moss 69 receptions, 1313 yards, 17 TDsMarques Colston 70 receptions, 1038 yards, 8 TDsOne of these kids is not like the others.
 
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