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Not in the least.Would you have passed on Tomlinson when the Chargers drafted him?
Many people did and took Michael Bennett.
For the most part, I think he'd be available a pick or two lower. Why not trade 1.1 to the guy at 1.2 or 1.3 who's dying to get Peterson? You get your player plus whatever else you can squeeze out of the other guy.
Sorry but that's
Roger Craig ran upright, Eric D. did also. E. Smith, LT, and a host of other were not as big as AD.
WHOOPS!
Says the guy with Calvin Johnson on his team.C'mon LOD...
make it worth his while to shift to three, offer him something and the 3 for the second overall.... I traded away the 3, knowing these 2 should be 1 and 2.. nothing wrong Lynch at 3... but these two are in a class by themselves.. FF wise I would be willing to argue, they have more value than Reggie Bush...and would advocate so long as Deuce is a saint, they both should be more valuable than reggie.. of course they could end up in poor situations too
I don't know man, I've got the first pick in a Dynasty PPR + Start 3 WR V 2 RB, and I am leaning strongly toward CJ. This could change if CJ goes to the Raiders, or if Peterson goes to Denver(assuming Denver is going to be able to trade up in the draft).Sorry but that'sRoger Craig ran upright, Eric D. did also. E. Smith, LT, and a host of other were not as big as AD.
AD is a monster, pass on him at the #1 spot you'll regret it regardless of league set up.
Last time a WR was chosen first over all for rookies was Charles Rogers
I wonder how many Kevin Jones #1 guys are wishing they had either one of them.
I'll bet there were a bunch in Detroit, and I know it happened in one of my leagues.
I'm taking AD at 1.01, without much of a doubt.The first team that could draft CJ that would change my opinion is Washington, but it's extremely unlikely that he falls that far.I don't know man, I've got the first pick in a Dynasty PPR + Start 3 WR V 2 RB, and I am leaning strongly toward CJ. This could change if CJ goes to the Raiders, or if Peterson goes to Denver(assuming Denver is going to be able to trade up in the draft).Sorry but that's
AD is a monster, pass on him at the #1 spot you'll regret it regardless of league set up.
Monster in College as are a lot of guys. Then they go to the NFL. Emmitt and LT are prototypical NFL backs. That is now 5'-9" to 5'-11" 215-225. Not 6-2, 218. That a guy that is gonna get busted up.Roger Craig lasted 7 years and then limped along thru 4 more. Dickerson also had 7 good years. Also they players were not nearly as big when Dickerson played. Calvin will have 10+ so while you figure out what to do with your hole in your team, I'll still be starting CJ.Sorry but that'sRoger Craig ran upright, Eric D. did also. E. Smith, LT, and a host of other were not as big as AD.
AD is a monster, pass on him at the #1 spot you'll regret it regardless of league set up.
There is no prototypical NFL back anymore. Peterson is roughly the same size as Larry Johnson and Steven Jackson. Same height, about 10 pounds lighter. He's 21, no reason he can't put 10 pounds on his frame as he matures.Monster in College as are a lot of guys. Then they go to the NFL. Emmitt and LT are prototypical NFL backs. That is now 5'-9" to 5'-11" 215-225. Not 6-2, 218. That a guy that is gonna get busted up.Roger Craig lasted 7 years and then limped along thru 4 more. Dickerson also had 7 good years. Also they players were not nearly as big when Dickerson played. Calvin will have 10+ so while you figure out what to do with your hole in your team, I'll still be starting CJ.Sorry but that's
AD is a monster, pass on him at the #1 spot you'll regret it regardless of league set up.
Here is Calvin Johnson: You can have your injured RB while i take Moss's athleticism combined with Harrison's work ethic.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...fl-report_x.htm
Sure he can but that won't stop the fact that he's injury prone and has yet to even play a FULL college schedule.
He played a full year freshman year, 339 carries. Finished sophomore year as well, got nicked up for a few games in the middle of the season. There's a difference between being injury prone and getting injured. The man carried an NFL load while at OU, averaging nearly 30 carries a game. This isn't Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown or Marshawn Lynch getting 15 carries a game, 200 carries a year. He had almost as many carries this year as Lynch in half a season. A lot easier to stay healthy when you're not carrying the entire load.
If you know they won't take CJ, then sure. That's always something you look at. That said, the only way to make that deal is to claim you're taking their guy. But maybe they're pulling one over on you.This should be part of the rookie draft 101 course.
Anyway, unless I'm damn sure who they're taking, I'm going CJ at 1. BTW, CJ at 1 is even more of a lock if AD goes to Cleveland.And that's where he's going too. Cleveland. Yuck.If you know they won't take CJ, then sure. That's always something you look at. That said, the only way to make that deal is to claim you're taking their guy. But maybe they're pulling one over on you.Anyway, unless I'm damn sure who they're taking, I'm going CJ at 1. BTW, CJ at 1 is even more of a lock if AD goes to Cleveland.
Cause CJ in Tampa paints a pretty picture?And that's where he's going too. Cleveland. Yuck.If you know they won't take CJ, then sure. That's always something you look at. That said, the only way to make that deal is to claim you're taking their guy. But maybe they're pulling one over on you.
In a word? No. Almost none of those guys carried the kind of grades that Calvin Johnson carries. I hear that most teams have him listed as the #1 player on their board. The only comparable talents from recent drafts are Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, and Charles Rogers. Two of those guys are stars. The other one failed more because of character issues than lack of talent (Rogers was 6'2" with 4.3 speed and plenty of football skills). Every indication is that Calvin Johnson is not a moronic dope fiend like Rogers. At a certain point, you have to trust your eyes. It only takes a few minutes of watching #21 to know he's going to be a player in the NFL. Like I've been saying, the worst case scenario is a Keyshawn Johnson type career. The best case scenario is production along the lines of what we saw from Moss and TO in their best years.
Larry Fitz is really the only valuable one out of those 3 though. Rogers is obviously worthless. AJ can be had for a decent #2 RB. If you hot on the runningback, ala LT or Steven Jackson, he's worth triple what even a great WR is worth. Runningbacks also tend to be worth more for longer even if they're not performing. Benson hasn't really done much of anything, yet he still has considerable value in dynasty leagues. Wrs have to hit almost right off the bat to keep their value or it plummets. Troy Williamson can be had right now for a bag of peanuts.
Steven Jackson is a best case scenario and he's not worth triple a great WR. In my PPR league, Andre Johnson had a higher weekly average than Chester Taylor, Shaun Alexander, Rudi Johnson, Ronnie Brown, Joseph Addai, and Edgerrin James. That was with David Carr throwing him passes. I don't think anyone is arguing that Peterson/Lynch aren't better picks in most formats. In a non-PPR league that requires you to start at least 2 RBs, the RBs hold much more value than Johnson. But in some formats, Calvin is a very viable choice as the 1.01 pick. Keep in mind that it's not all about the short-term. Consider the following questions:1996Top RB: Eddie GeorgeTop WR: Marvin Harrison, Terrell OwensWho had more value in 1997? Who has more value now? 1998 Top RB: Fred TaylorTop WR: Randy MossWho had more value in 1999? Who has more value now? 1999Top RB: Edgerrin JamesTop WR: Torry HoltWho had more value in 2000? Who has more value now?Great WRs can sometimes carry much greater long-term dynasty value than great RBs. Eddie George would've been great to own from 1996-2001, but Marvin Harrison and Terrell Owens have been far more valuable for the past five years. I think there's a very good chance that Peterson will carry more trade value than Johnson after one year. That doesn't mean he'll end up being the more valuable commodity in the long haul.
In my dynasty leagues lately I'm noticing WRs really seem to be hard to get. I didn't have much luck last year either landing WRs in trades. I'm beginning to wonder how true that is anymore.
So much can happen in that many years to change your team, the league etc. I'd rather look at a 3-5 year window than those.
In a PPR league, the best 3-5 years, Holt/Moss/TO/Harrison destroy Taylor/Edge/George. 80-90 catches ='s 12-15 TDs. Doesn't matter teams, or the years. Those WRs kill those RBs regardless of how you slice it.Edge had some great years, also missed a year. I'd wager in PPR Holt beat Edge 4 of their best 5 years.So the Edge one is close. Holt should kill Edge the next 3 years, so again it comes out in favor of the stud WR. It's just hard to identify a stud WR. They all run fast, they all look great, but a lot of them seem to be huge busts. I agree CJ is a cut above, and in PPR I also would take him at 1.01.In non-ppr, I'm not even sure CJ is a top 3 pick.
I'm just telling you. Heck, Peterson isn't even the best dynasty back this year. Marshawn Lynch is. If you want a dual threat and get points for rushing and receiving, then Marshawn is vastly superior to Peterson. Add to that Peterson will be playing most likely for the lowly Browns who aren't going anywhere anytime soon while Lynch will drop down in the 1st and go to a superior team.Now as far as Calvin. Damn right he's on my team. I targeted him 2 years ago by trading players for 2007 draft picks. The one that got him was trading Jerry 'Clown Shoes' Porter after week 1 in 2005 for a 2007 1st round pick that ended up being #1. Yeah, I'm taking CJ #1 because there is nothing close to CJ as a WR. There are plenty of Peterson's out there. Chris Brown is a Peterson. built just like him and injured just like him.CJ has been described as a combo of Moss and Harrison along with being called the Manning of WR's. I actually had called him that before the guy training him did yesterday.CJ..........All other WR'sLynchPeterson..all other RB's.See the difference?
You tell 'em EastBayFunk. This is an excellent comparison. Note that Eddie George was long dead and buried after 2003. Eddie scored zero points in that time frame because if you were starting him in his last year (2004) you were a loser. That's so far 3 years and counting that Marvin has continued to put up 3 more 1000 yard seasons and 39 TD's. Expect the same from the hard working Calvin Johnson.Simply put there is no one even close to Calvin Johnson as a WR. I've known this for 2+ years now.
No, I don't see the difference when you only have one of the top 3 picks. You take the best player and don't worry about whether another RB is close to his talent. Of course, you could trade down, but as we're talking about who we would take first, that isn't part of the discussion.I disagree with putting Lynch ahead of Peterson, but it is close. I'd compare (for FF) AD to between McGahee and Larry Johnson, while Lynch might be Tiki Barber. Both very good, but in most leagues, LJ is the better play.
I do like Lynch but still compared to the guys that came out the last 2 years im not liking this class at all.
dude just makes me CRY i dont have a pick to land him.... 
And this in a NON PPR
So now we know that Peterson is clearly insane, we must drop him on our boards.
Since you mentioned it, in the standard FBG scoring system (0 PPR), here's how the players you mentioned have fared:(First year fantasy value, career fantasy value)Eddie George, 78, 556Marvin Harrison, 17, 809Terrell Owens, 0, 649Fred Taylor, 139, 421 Randy Moss, 111, 674Edgerrin James, 186, 682Torry Holt, 0, 515Harrison, Owens, Moss, and Holt happened to go on to have HOF worhty careers. Many other Top 10 overall (NFL Draft) have not. Sure, if you knew without a doubt that a WR was going to come in an be dominant for 10+ years than grabbing a WR is probably a better plan. But how many WRs are actually DOMINANT for a full 10 years?
