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Making the transition from college to the pros is a huge aspect of a player's game. Given Colston's first year, it appears he has made the transition.While I believe CJ is very likely to also make that transition, the possibility of him busting is still there. If I had to make the decision today, I think I'd have to go with Colston.
This is my own opinion as well, and I traded 1.03 for Colston (but I also got an 08 first and it is non-PPR, so maybe not the best example).Rookie values soar February thru April. Why? We're bored and we want something to look forward to, and FA and the Draft are the answers, along with the Combine.Rookie picks are undervalued come May, overvalued Jan-April. Yes, you can rebuild a dominant team if you pick the right ones (and CJ looks can't miss) but with so many other variables, it's tough.WRs have historically been slow to transition to the NFL. Add in the QB issues, O-line issues, scheme, and better defenses and there's a ton of reasons to look towards a veteran in a better position to perform, or even better has done so in previous year(s).
I never understood this reasoning. Because Michael Clayton had a good rookie year and then has disappointed since somehow increases the likelihood that the same will happen to Colston? Applying this same logic, Anquan Boldin had a monster rookie year, and hasn't busted so let's assume Colston will continue to produce....sounds just as silly.I tend to agree with the other posters that 1) we already know that Colston is in a great situation to continue to produce 2) he has already shown the ability to make the jump from college to the pros and 3) we don't know where CJ will land, but it's highly unlikely that he's going to go to a team with as explosive of an offense or as good of a QB.It's highly possible that Johnson will end up with better career numbers than Colston because he's a freak athlete and one of the best WR prospects to ever come out - but if someone offers me CJ for Colston right now straight up in a dynasty league, I'm turning it down...there's too many question marks at this point in time.
Not trying to compare the two, but minus the fact that he's a little bit slower, you could argue Colston has all those attributes as well...it's not like he's mediocre and has just benefitted solely from Brees throwing him the ball.
For the love of god Johnny. You don't think teams focused on him and doubled him at all last year? Considering he was their best receiving weapon, it's highly doubtful that teams let him run 1 on 1 all game.. I'm not picking Colston because I think he's more athletic than Calvin Johnson. I'm picking him because he had a great rookie season in which he proved he was a legitimate threat, has a great supporting offense and a very good QB. Calvin Johnson however, will likely end up on a crap offense with a bad QB and has not proved he is a legitimate threat. Sure Johnson is big and fast, but what is that going to do for us if he can't get a pass to him or his offense is constantly 3 & out? And even with those factors aside, the transition from college to the pros isn't as easy as guys like Boldin and Colston make it look. Just think about how many WRs don't turn out like they were expected.NOBODY IS BUST PROOF.
I don't know if they did, but Henderson did pretty well also. If I had to guess, I would say they didn't roll coverage to Colston. I bet if they did he wouldn't be as effective because of his lack of speed. CJ is a freak who is also big, but fast as well, and catches the jump ball well. No way in hell would I take MC over CJ in a dynasty league. Key words, "dynasty League"
Key words: Don't buy into the hype, you'll lose your ###.
Key words: Don't play a dynasty league like it is a redraft league, especially with certain talents.Disclaimer: I don't have a snow ball's chance in hell at Calvin Johnson in any league. I guess that's what happens when you do very well in $$$ dynasty leagues, 4 of 5 of them. Two titles, 1 runner-up, 1 loss in first rd. So I don't worry too much about what you said about "losing my xxx".
Judging from this post you haven't watched too may Saints games, but you are speculating on how he handles coverages?And what does him being a waiver wire squire have to do with anything?
While not the fastest receiver in the NFL, I think Colston's speed, combined with his size AND athleticism, is more than enough to thrive in today's NFL. Throw in the fact that he is playing in an offensive scheme that will milk his talents to the max, and I say Colston is a stud for year's to come. That said, I'd trade Colston for Calvin Johnson in a heartbeat..
You are correct, I haven't watched the coverage on Colston, but I do know he isn't a fast guy. He wasn't highly rated in the draft and wasn't drafted in hardly any dynasty leagues that I know of for a reason. Now I do admit he was a pleasant surprise in 2006 coming out of nowhere, but I wouldn't go as far to say he's on the same planet as Calvin Johnson either.
He was the 14th ranked WR in my dynasty leagues last year. I'm not so sure he will be a stud for years to come, but he will be pretty good. He won't sneak up on anyone in 2007.
I would be fine waiting 2 years on CJ to "outstat" Colston. After all, we are talking about dynasty leagues. Like I said, Colston won't sneak up on anyone in 2007, and I expect a sophmore slump.
Hey Johnny, I like Colston and CJ and am not an apologist for either. But, if you look at Colston's game recaps, you will see how productive he was before he got injured in week 11. He took a zero in week 11 and played hurt the remaining games. Hard to hold those games against him. He also took a zero in week 17 when he had one target because the starters were resting. Brees only attempted 5 passes. Take these two zeros out, and he was a top 10 WR in points per game. I think Colston is a top 8-12 WR depending on personal preference. The key variable is whether you think Calvin Johnson will be a top 10 WR. But, I think it is hard to tell at this point which will be the better fantasy WR.
Any back up QB would be an upgrade but he is now going to be playing against the best secondaries there out there. He didn't play against the top DB's in college every week.For now give me Colston as you know what you are getting. Calyton turned out to be a lazy dough boy as well. From the sounds of it Colston works much harder.
So does Colston.
Colston may end up with a top 3 or top 5 season at some point because of the offense he's in and the role he plays, but he's not an elite fantasy or NFL WR.
and Michael Clayton showed us that rookie WRs who have outstanding years aren't bust-proof either, all the more reason to go with the superior talent (and the one with the vastly better durability record too)
He was the #1 WR until he got hurt. Why does CJ have a better chance at excellence?
faster, stronger, more outstanding body control in the air, better durability - also his production will notbe situation specific. In all due respect to Colston, who is excellent, his numbers were partially based onBrees liking the big security blanket receiver. Brees gets hurt, and down goes Colston's productivity. Also, Colston's numbers were spiked by some huge lines in garbage time vs. the Ravens and Panthers. Im not saying that it won't happen again, but you can't overlook that Colston's average game when things were going well was not elite. We've already seen Johnson can produce with one of the worst QBs in all of college football - I think people are going to be blown away when they see what he can do with a real QB throwing him the ball - even Chris Simms or Jeff Garcia will be a HUGE improvement overReggie Ball.
2 different situations completely. Brad Johnson was transitioned out Clayton's sophomore year and he was mostly responsible for his rookie success. On top of that, Clayton got complacent b/c of his 1st round pedigree and fat contract that comes along with it.Brees will still be there, sans injury. And since Marques was almost Mr Irrelevant, I assume he's probably one of the lowest paid players in the league. I like my guys chasing big carrots, and he's got that small-school mentality that feeds into that.
Can I have you definition of "elite"? I see no reason Colston couldn't be a consistent top 5-10 fantasy WR for years to come.
It's not just the stats...Colston is in one the league's most dynamic offenses and with the relative youth of the Saints that shouldn't change anytime soon. We have no idea where Calvin is going to end up.
How about M. Westbrook, C. Rogers, W. Green, TJ Duckett or T. Couch? CJ should be great but it dosn't always work out that way. Logical arguments can be made either way, the only sure thing is that success, or a lack of for previous players is 100% irrelevent.
Let's revisit this thread in about two years. One of us will have a good laugh.I know my post was over the top, but that was intentional. If it keeps just one guy who reads it from buying into this foolishness, it will have served its purpose. Colston <<<< Calvin Johnson, and time will prove that to be the case. Two years from now people who prefer Colston today will be wondering what in the world they were thinking.
He ran away from coverage in the Carolina game.
He ran away from coverage in the Carolina game.
