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Patriots Interested in Randy Moss (1 Viewer)

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http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/...rticleid=186445

On the surface, Randy Moss doesn’t seem like a Patriots [team stats] kind of player. He often plays at half-speed and has quit on more than one team.

But Moss is supremely talented, and he’s got something else working in his favor - Bill Belichick apparently loves him.

League sources last night indicated the Patriots coach has long been enamored with the Raiders wide receiver and would welcome the opportunity to bring him to Foxboro for the right price.

Moss is on the block after two disappointing seasons in Oakland. The Raiders have worked on a deal that would send the mercurial wide receiver to Green Bay, with the Packers offering quarterback Aaron Rodgers and the Raiders holding out for a first-round pick, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

The Packers don’t seem in much of a rush to pull the trigger, however, which has left an opening for the Pats. A source said Belichick believes he could motivate Moss to play and that he’d have the locker room support system to back him up, thanks to high-character veterans like Tom Brady [stats], Richard Seymour [stats] and Rodney Harrison [stats], among others.

For proof, look no further than Corey Dillon [stats], who arrived in New England with a rap sheet far longer and more serious than Moss’ and yet proved to be a good soldier for virtually his entire tenure with the team.

Moss has traditionally responded better and played harder when surrounded by players he respects, like Cris Carter and Daunte Culpepper in Minnesota.

Word out of Oakland is the 30-year-old wants to play on a contender before his career ends. The Raiders are intent on moving him following a miserable 2006 that saw him post career-worst numbers in receptions (42), yards (553), and touchdowns (three).

“Moss quit on us last year,” a Raiders employee told the Journal Sentinel. “My feeling is he wants to go someplace where they can win. He knows he only has X number of years left and he’s never, ever won at any level.”

Moss clearly represents a gamble. He loafed through much of his tenure in Oakland and experienced his share of disciplinary issues, from possession of marijuana to pretending to moon the crowd at Lambeau Field. His most serious scrape came in 2002 when he tried to make an illegal turn and grazed a traffic cop with his car. He spent a night in jail and was ultimately charged with careless driving.

As twisted as this sounds, those transgressions are relatively minor in an NFL that includes Titans troublemaker Pacman Jones and the majority of the Cincinnati Bengals roster. The Patriots believe they can keep Moss in line, if given the chance.

One issue would be convincing Moss to restructure a contract that calls for $9.75 million in 2007 and $11.25 million in 2008. The Pats also need to strike a deal with what is considered a rudderless ship in Oakland, thanks to owner Al Davis and a depleted front office.

That’s a lot to overcome, but at the very least, color the Patriots intrigued.
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This is getting as bad as every RB being linked to Denv. this offseason. Now every FA Wr is being linked to NE. Have yet to hear a D.Jax to NE rumor though.

 
so they sign welker to an offer sheet for their 2, and then trade their one to get moss? Looks like NE is realizing how bad their WRs actually are. Not to say this happens, but Moss to New England would be great for me as a Dolphin fan.

(ie: He's done)

 
Gatorman said:
(ie: He's done)
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I guess my first blush question on this one is . . . why? Sure, Moss has been a disappointment the past couple of seasons, but what would you expect playing with Kerry Collins, Marques Tuiasosopo, Andrew Walter, and Aaron Brooks in the train wreck known as the Oakland offense? Certainly Brady is an upgrade over those guys and the Pats offense is leaps and bounds better than the Raiders. People said Corey Dillon was done when he came to New England and he responded with a career year.Moss certainly has his flaws and may no longer be motivated playing on a poor team, but I suspect that if he got in the right situation and was not double or triple teamed on every play he might put up top tier numbers again. I firmly believe that winning breeds winning, and a fresh start on a top team would be a kick in the pants for Moss.That being said, depending upon what it cost the Pats to obtain Moss he may or may not be worth it, especially when you factor in his $10 and $11 million salaries in 07 and 08. If N.E. could work on an extension that would cut those numbers down it probably would be a decent investment.
 
I don't think it would take a first round pick to land Moss at this point.

Regardless, I think the Pats should RUN from this deal. Randy isn't even close to the same player anymore, and worse, he THINKS he's still great.

No thanks.

 
David Yudkin said:
Gatorman said:
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I guess my first blush question on this one is . . . why? Sure, Moss has been a disappointment the past couple of seasons, but what would you expect playing with Kerry Collins, Marques Tuiasosopo, Andrew Walter, and Aaron Brooks in the train wreck known as the Oakland offense? Certainly Brady is an upgrade over those guys and the Pats offense is leaps and bounds better than the Raiders. People said Corey Dillon was done when he came to New England and he responded with a career year.Moss certainly has his flaws and may no longer be motivated playing on a poor team, but I suspect that if he got in the right situation and was not double or triple teamed on every play he might put up top tier numbers again. I firmly believe that winning breeds winning, and a fresh start on a top team would be a kick in the pants for Moss.That being said, depending upon what it cost the Pats to obtain Moss he may or may not be worth it, especially when you factor in his $10 and $11 million salaries in 07 and 08. If N.E. could work on an extension that would cut those numbers down it probably would be a decent investment.
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If they give up one of the first round draft picks for Moss, you could even stretch it and say a restructured contract for a 30 year old WR coming off two down years would cost less than the rookie.And when Moss was injured in 2005 going up between two defenders he was the leading YPC WR at the time. From that play on everything fell to pieces in Oakland.I hope it happens, his FF stock wouldn't increase all that much because people hate him, and he could be a nice value for once.
 
Okay, I have to say one thing.

There's no way on God's green Earth that the Patriots give up a 1st round pick for Moss. Absolutely, positively no chance whatsoever. If you don't like a deal for Moss for the Patriots, fine, but if you don't like it because you're thinking the Patriots will give up a 1st round pick for him, then rethink your position.

Charlie Casserly was just on EEI, he said the Raiders were shopping Moss mid-season last year and they wanted a 2nd round pick and nobod bit. I believe that. If Moss is traded it'll be for a 3rd or a late 2nd at most. If Al Davis won't take that, I really think they'll just end up having to keep him or release him.

It might be worth noting that although we don't know this for sure yet, there's been some speculation that the Patriots will be getting four compensatory draft picks this season and that one of them, I think for Vinatieri, might be as high as a 3rd rounder. You can't trade compensatory picks, but it does give them more flexibility.

 
I believe the Pats have 2 1st round picks (the second 1 being from Seattle for Branch). I could very easily see them giving up a second rounder for Moss. I dont think Oakland will get a 1st round pick, but may eventually settle for a 2nd rounder.

 
JetsWillWin said:
It might be worth noting that although we don't know this for sure yet, there's been some speculation that the Patriots will be getting four compensatory draft picks this season and that one of them, I think for Vinatieri, might be as high as a 3rd rounder. You can't trade compensatory picks, but it does give them more flexibility.
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There was a thread on compensatory picks last week where the breakdown of picks was covered. Last year, players that signed for $5+ million per year on average garnered a 3rd round compensatory pick. Players that were signed for an average of $4 million per year netted a 4th round compensatory pick, and so on.Compensatory picks are assigned based mostly on salary with some other factors considered (performance, post season, awards, etc.). However, those are basically tie breakers for players on the bubble in determining which round they would fall in.Compensatory picks are only awarded if a team fails to sign a player in that same bracket. For example, if a team gained and player and lost a played that both fell in the 4th round compensatory pick bracket then they would not get awarded a compensatory pick because they cancelled each other out.Long story short, no way the Pats will receive a 3rd round pick for Vinatieri. His salary is nowhere near that of a 3rd round compensatory pick. They probably will get a 5th for losing him (and even that may be wishful thinking).I don't know what salary breakdown they will be using for this year's compensatory picks but it's a safe bet the bar will be raised after some of the crazy signings last offseason. IIRC, they announce the pick allocations at the offseason owners meeting (which I believe is at the end of March).
 
Workhorse said:
I don't think it would take a first round pick to land Moss at this point.Regardless, I think the Pats should RUN from this deal. Randy isn't even close to the same player anymore, and worse, he THINKS he's still great.No thanks.
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i am not a fan of Randy Moss, and as a Bills fan, i would not want him on the Bills roster...however....if ever there was a player that could regroup with the right change of scenery, it is Randy Moss.the guy is as gifted an athlete as there is, and anyone that has been on the teams he played on the last two years it is easy to mistake him as not being the same player he once was.
 
David Yudkin said:
JetsWillWin said:
It might be worth noting that although we don't know this for sure yet, there's been some speculation that the Patriots will be getting four compensatory draft picks this season and that one of them, I think for Vinatieri, might be as high as a 3rd rounder. You can't trade compensatory picks, but it does give them more flexibility.
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There was a thread on compensatory picks last week where the breakdown of picks was covered. Last year, players that signed for $5+ million per year on average garnered a 3rd round compensatory pick. Players that were signed for an average of $4 million per year netted a 4th round compensatory pick, and so on.Compensatory picks are assigned based mostly on salary with some other factors considered (performance, post season, awards, etc.). However, those are basically tie breakers for players on the bubble in determining which round they would fall in.Compensatory picks are only awarded if a team fails to sign a player in that same bracket. For example, if a team gained and player and lost a played that both fell in the 4th round compensatory pick bracket then they would not get awarded a compensatory pick because they cancelled each other out.Long story short, no way the Pats will receive a 3rd round pick for Vinatieri. His salary is nowhere near that of a 3rd round compensatory pick. They probably will get a 5th for losing him (and even that may be wishful thinking).I don't know what salary breakdown they will be using for this year's compensatory picks but it's a safe bet the bar will be raised after some of the crazy signings last offseason. IIRC, they announce the pick allocations at the offseason owners meeting (which I believe is at the end of March).
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Thanks for the info. I'm not familiar with the magical compensatory pick formula - the 3rd round thing was just some speculation one of the EEI guys made reading some random website.
 
Verbal Kint said:
Dillon has a rap sheet longer than Moss :bag: :thumbup:
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Not that their respective criminal records are really relevant to the conversation, this IS a factual statement. From a Maxim Magazine archive:COREY DILLONArrested for: DUI, theft (twice), intent to sell cocaine, obstructing a police officer (thrice), resisting arrest (twice), assault (five times), criminal trespass, malicious mischief (twice), reckless endangerment (twice)Corey Dillon has committed so many crimes (with such variety!), we inducted him early. He had 11 arrests before age 17. Since going pro Corey’s been busted for DUI, driving with a suspended license, and assaulting his wife. Dillon was sentenced to rigorous “community service”—working with area youngsters on football skills and refereeing intramural basketball games. We still expect a lot of jail time from this promising youngster.
 
JetsWillWin said:
Thanks for the info. I'm not familiar with the magical compensatory pick formula - the 3rd round thing was just some speculation one of the EEI guys made reading some random website.
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Here is a detailed accounting of last year's compensatory pick breakdown for those that are interested.LINK

There was only one 3rd round pick (to NYJ for losing Lamont Jordan). There were also only four 4th round picks.

It's a very compliated process, as the league evaluates the net gains or losses before determining who gets what. There are 32 total compensatory picks available. If they do not award all of them initially, the remainder will be given out as 7th round picks in the same order as the draft order until there are no more left. last year, that meant the 5 worst teams got an extra 7th round pick (HOU, NO, GB, SF, and OAK).

So it does not appear that teams get a bounty of late first round picks which sometimes is the perception that gets conveyed at times on the boards.

 
David Yudkin said:
JetsWillWin said:
It might be worth noting that although we don't know this for sure yet, there's been some speculation that the Patriots will be getting four compensatory draft picks this season and that one of them, I think for Vinatieri, might be as high as a 3rd rounder. You can't trade compensatory picks, but it does give them more flexibility.
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There was a thread on compensatory picks last week where the breakdown of picks was covered. Last year, players that signed for $5+ million per year on average garnered a 3rd round compensatory pick. Players that were signed for an average of $4 million per year netted a 4th round compensatory pick, and so on.Compensatory picks are assigned based mostly on salary with some other factors considered (performance, post season, awards, etc.). However, those are basically tie breakers for players on the bubble in determining which round they would fall in.Compensatory picks are only awarded if a team fails to sign a player in that same bracket. For example, if a team gained and player and lost a played that both fell in the 4th round compensatory pick bracket then they would not get awarded a compensatory pick because they cancelled each other out.Long story short, no way the Pats will receive a 3rd round pick for Vinatieri. His salary is nowhere near that of a 3rd round compensatory pick. They probably will get a 5th for losing him (and even that may be wishful thinking).I don't know what salary breakdown they will be using for this year's compensatory picks but it's a safe bet the bar will be raised after some of the crazy signings last offseason. IIRC, they announce the pick allocations at the offseason owners meeting (which I believe is at the end of March).
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Good post.The best they'll get is probably a 4th round pick for losing Givens. The Vinatieri pick will be a 5th or a 6th. Probably the latter.
 
I hope they trade for Moss, and then cut him later in this season only for the Raiders to re-sign him again.

Serioulsy though, I would love for Moss to be traded.

 
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Jason Wood said:
Verbal Kint said:
Dillon has a rap sheet longer than Moss :goodposting: :thumbup:
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Not that their respective criminal records are really relevant to the conversation, this IS a factual statement. From a Maxim Magazine archive:COREY DILLONArrested for: DUI, theft (twice), intent to sell cocaine, obstructing a police officer (thrice), resisting arrest (twice), assault (five times), criminal trespass, malicious mischief (twice), reckless endangerment (twice)Corey Dillon has committed so many crimes (with such variety!), we inducted him early. He had 11 arrests before age 17. Since going pro Corey’s been busted for DUI, driving with a suspended license, and assaulting his wife. Dillon was sentenced to rigorous “community service”—working with area youngsters on football skills and refereeing intramural basketball games. We still expect a lot of jail time from this promising youngster.
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;) :lmao:
 
JetsWillWin said:
Okay, I have to say one thing.

There's no way on God's green Earth that the Patriots give up a 1st round pick for Moss. Absolutely, positively no chance whatsoever. If you don't like a deal for Moss for the Patriots, fine, but if you don't like it because you're thinking the Patriots will give up a 1st round pick for him, then rethink your position.

Charlie Casserly was just on EEI, he said the Raiders were shopping Moss mid-season last year and they wanted a 2nd round pick and nobod bit. I believe that. If Moss is traded it'll be for a 3rd or a late 2nd at most. If Al Davis won't take that, I really think they'll just end up having to keep him or release him.

It might be worth noting that although we don't know this for sure yet, there's been some speculation that the Patriots will be getting four compensatory draft picks this season and that one of them, I think for Vinatieri, might be as high as a 3rd rounder. You can't trade compensatory picks, but it does give them more flexibility.
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The Raiders would rather release him than get a 3rd round pick for him?
 
JetsWillWin said:
“Moss quit on us last year,” a Raiders employee told the Journal Sentinel. “My feeling is he wants to go someplace where they can win. He knows he only has X number of years left and he’s never, ever won at any level.”
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I heard he won the 40 yard dash in elementary school.
 
bostonfred said:
I'd love to see what Brady could do with a weapon like Moss.
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Moss would not get 15 targets, and he would whine. Brady spreads it out too much. This is a BAD matchup of player and team.
 
parrot said:
JetsWillWin said:
http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/...rticleid=186445

“Moss quit on us last year,” a Raiders employee told the Journal Sentinel. “My feeling is he wants to go someplace where they can win. He knows he only has X number of years left and he’s never, ever won at any level.”
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He won a National Championship in College. :rolleyes:
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Marshall won a National Championship? I guess I must have missed that Ohio State/Marshall classic...
 
buck naked said:
bostonfred said:
I'd love to see what Brady could do with a weapon like Moss.
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Moss would not get 15 targets, and he would whine. Brady spreads it out too much. This is a BAD matchup of player and team.
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I've mentioned this in other threads. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Maybe the Pats utilize the system they do because of the limited resources they have to work with.A few years ago, people were suggesting that the Pats acquisition in Corey Dillon would not help them because they had migrated to a passing game and had been unsuccessful running the ball. Then Dillon had a career year and they pounded the ball all year long.I'm sure the Patriots coaching staff is pretty bright. I'm pretty sure that they could work in some plays that would get Moss the ball a fair amount.Look at the Eagles from a few years ago. In the Reid/McNabb era they never had a WR post big numbers because they, too, spread the ball around. How did T.O. do when he came to town.IMO, Moss may not fit the team's team-focused philosophy more than he won't fit their system. if they do end up with him I suspect he will still pretty well.
 
Kit Fisto said:
parrot said:
JetsWillWin said:
http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/...rticleid=186445

“Moss quit on us last year,” a Raiders employee told the Journal Sentinel. “My feeling is he wants to go someplace where they can win. He knows he only has X number of years left and he’s never, ever won at any level.”
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He won a National Championship in College. :yes:
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Marshall won a National Championship? I guess I must have missed that Ohio State/Marshall classic...
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Marshall won the 1996 NCAA I-AA championship, beating Montana 49-29, to end the year 15-0. That team also featured Chad Pennington at QB.
 
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Tom Brady is 30 this year. And while it has certainly been a team effort for NE during their run, there is no one player more crucial to their success than Brady. Once he's gone, filling his shoes will be no easy task.

On top of that, how many more years will Bill Belichick coach? There have already been stories questioning his contract and its status.

I fully realize that NE operates to be competitive year in and out... but realistically, they have about (at most?) 5 more years of "Tom Brady" and hopefully, 5 of Belichick too.

What's this have to do with Randy Moss? Like it or not, there has to be a bit of a "win now" mentality in Foxboro.

With 2 more 1st rounders this year and a number of key players signed thru 2009 or later:

(Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Adalius Thomas, Vrabel, D Koppen, L Mankins, M Light, S Neal, B Watson, L Maroney, K Faulk, E Hobbs, R Gay, S Gostowski, C Jackson, J Green)

it may be the right time to take a chance on Randy Moss. If he doesn't pan out, the team will still be competitive and may win another super bowl. If he does pan out, the team will be very competetive and may winmultiple Superbowls and truly put an exlamation point on this decade... something I'm sure Kraft/Belichick/Brady would all want to do at this point.

Dynasties... teams... runs like this don't last forever. They have to make the most of all of this while it's here and Randy Moss just may be the exclamation point they're looking for.

 
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David Yudkin said:
Kit Fisto said:
parrot said:
JetsWillWin said:
http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/...rticleid=186445

“Moss quit on us last year,” a Raiders employee told the Journal Sentinel. “My feeling is he wants to go someplace where they can win. He knows he only has X number of years left and he’s never, ever won at any level.”
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He won a National Championship in College. :yawn:
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Marshall won a National Championship? I guess I must have missed that Ohio State/Marshall classic...
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Marshall won the 1996 NCAA I-AA championship, beating Montana 49-29, to end the year 15-0. That team also featured Chad Pennington at QB.
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:lmao: It's only been a decade, Montana fans haven't forgotten this game. Moss was a monster; 200+ and 4 tds IIRC.

 
David Yudkin said:
buck naked said:
bostonfred said:
I'd love to see what Brady could do with a weapon like Moss.
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Moss would not get 15 targets, and he would whine. Brady spreads it out too much. This is a BAD matchup of player and team.
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I've mentioned this in other threads. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Maybe the Pats utilize the system they do because of the limited resources they have to work with.A few years ago, people were suggesting that the Pats acquisition in Corey Dillon would not help them because they had migrated to a passing game and had been unsuccessful running the ball. Then Dillon had a career year and they pounded the ball all year long.I'm sure the Patriots coaching staff is pretty bright. I'm pretty sure that they could work in some plays that would get Moss the ball a fair amount.Look at the Eagles from a few years ago. In the Reid/McNabb era they never had a WR post big numbers because they, too, spread the ball around. How did T.O. do when he came to town.IMO, Moss may not fit the team's team-focused philosophy more than he won't fit their system. if they do end up with him I suspect he will still pretty well.
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I don't disagree at all but can he roll with a gameplan? Can he be a decoy for a game if it means the Pats win by 30? Can he appreciate that? I see a guy that thinks every defender is a mismatch and so any gameplan that doesn't involve him exclusively is a poor one. If he lets BB set it up, he could "break alot of teams backs" but that might involve him being a decoy or catching a bunch of short passes before BB sends him deep to "break their back." I've never read of him having that kind of faith in a coach's game plan before.The difference between Tice, Shell and BB is gigantic though so ...
 
TD Ryan said:
Tom Brady is 30 this year. And while it has certainly been a team effort for NE during their run, there is no one player more crucial to their success than Brady. Once he's gone, filling his shoes will be no easy task.On top of that, how many more years will Bill Belichick coach? There have already been stories questioning his contract and its status.I fully realize that NE operates to be competitive year in and out... but realistically, they have about (at most?) 5 more years of "Tom Brady" and hopefully, 5 of Belichick too.What's this have to do with Randy Moss? Like it or not, there has to be a bit of a "win now" mentality in Foxboro.With 2 more 1st rounders this year and a number of key players signed thru 2009 or later:(Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Adalius Thomas, Vrabel, D Koppen, L Mankins, M Light, S Neal, B Watson, L Maroney, K Faulk, E Hobbs, R Gay, S Gostowski, C Jackson, J Green)it may be the right time to take a chance on Randy Moss. If he doesn't pan out, the team will still be competitive and may win another super bowl. If he does pan out, the team will be very competetive and may winmultiple Superbowls and truly put an exlamation point on this decade... something I'm sure Kraft/Belichick/Brady would all want to do at this point.Dynasties... teams... runs like this don't last forever. They have to make the most of all of this while it's here and Randy Moss just may be the exclamation point they're looking for.
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Brought a tear to my eye. I'm proud to be an American!!!!sign him.
 
TD Ryan said:
Tom Brady is 30 this year. And while it has certainly been a team effort for NE during their run, there is no one player more crucial to their success than Brady. Once he's gone, filling his shoes will be no easy task.On top of that, how many more years will Bill Belichick coach? There have already been stories questioning his contract and its status.I fully realize that NE operates to be competitive year in and out... but realistically, they have about (at most?) 5 more years of "Tom Brady" and hopefully, 5 of Belichick too.What's this have to do with Randy Moss? Like it or not, there has to be a bit of a "win now" mentality in Foxboro.With 2 more 1st rounders this year and a number of key players signed thru 2009 or later:(Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Adalius Thomas, Vrabel, D Koppen, L Mankins, M Light, S Neal, B Watson, L Maroney, K Faulk, E Hobbs, R Gay, S Gostowski, C Jackson, J Green)it may be the right time to take a chance on Randy Moss. If he doesn't pan out, the team will still be competitive and may win another super bowl. If he does pan out, the team will be very competetive and may winmultiple Superbowls and truly put an exlamation point on this decade... something I'm sure Kraft/Belichick/Brady would all want to do at this point.Dynasties... teams... runs like this don't last forever. They have to make the most of all of this while it's here and Randy Moss just may be the exclamation point they're looking for.
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My question is how many teams out there are really looking past 3 years let alone 5 years? Player and coaching personnel rotate so often now that IMO thinking really long term is not a great maneuver.Sure, the Pats will have to wonder what to expect when Brady is done. But what about the Colts after Manning, the Chargers after LT, etc.And the Pats at this stage are not really a rapidly aging team. The only players that will be 31 or older to start the season are Troy Brown (36) assuming he's back, Rodney Harrison (34), Tedy Bruschi (34), Mike Vrabel (32), and Kevin Faulk (31). True, those are some pretty big shoes to fill but they are already making inroads at WR and LB and will likely get younger in the secondary through the draft.
 
David Yudkin said:
Kit Fisto said:
parrot said:
JetsWillWin said:
http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/...rticleid=186445

“Moss quit on us last year,” a Raiders employee told the Journal Sentinel. “My feeling is he wants to go someplace where they can win. He knows he only has X number of years left and he’s never, ever won at any level.”
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He won a National Championship in College. :wall:
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Marshall won a National Championship? I guess I must have missed that Ohio State/Marshall classic...
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Marshall won the 1996 NCAA I-AA championship, beating Montana 49-29, to end the year 15-0. That team also featured Chad Pennington at QB.
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Yeah, I know. That was sarcasm.Winning the 1-AA championship? Seriously? OK then I guess I am a champion too, since my little league team won in 1979.

 
Kit Fisto said:
David Yudkin said:
Kit Fisto said:
parrot said:
JetsWillWin said:
http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/...rticleid=186445

“Moss quit on us last year,” a Raiders employee told the Journal Sentinel. “My feeling is he wants to go someplace where they can win. He knows he only has X number of years left and he’s never, ever won at any level.”
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He won a National Championship in College. :goodposting:
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Marshall won a National Championship? I guess I must have missed that Ohio State/Marshall classic...
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Marshall won the 1996 NCAA I-AA championship, beating Montana 49-29, to end the year 15-0. That team also featured Chad Pennington at QB.
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Yeah, I know. That was sarcasm.Winning the 1-AA championship? Seriously? OK then I guess I am a champion too, since my little league team won in 1979.
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:hifive: yeah, that's the same
 
Case in point - Andre Rison helping Brett Favre win a Superbowl.

Randy Moss is unmotivated, in my opinion because of the environment he's in. Success breeds success, and him being surrounded by the tough-nosed, hard-working coaches of the Patriots would spur a world of change in him. I say they go after him.

 
TD Ryan said:
Tom Brady is 30 this year. And while it has certainly been a team effort for NE during their run, there is no one player more crucial to their success than Brady. Once he's gone, filling his shoes will be no easy task.On top of that, how many more years will Bill Belichick coach? There have already been stories questioning his contract and its status.I fully realize that NE operates to be competitive year in and out... but realistically, they have about (at most?) 5 more years of "Tom Brady" and hopefully, 5 of Belichick too.What's this have to do with Randy Moss? Like it or not, there has to be a bit of a "win now" mentality in Foxboro.With 2 more 1st rounders this year and a number of key players signed thru 2009 or later:(Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Adalius Thomas, Vrabel, D Koppen, L Mankins, M Light, S Neal, B Watson, L Maroney, K Faulk, E Hobbs, R Gay, S Gostowski, C Jackson, J Green)it may be the right time to take a chance on Randy Moss. If he doesn't pan out, the team will still be competitive and may win another super bowl. If he does pan out, the team will be very competetive and may winmultiple Superbowls and truly put an exlamation point on this decade... something I'm sure Kraft/Belichick/Brady would all want to do at this point.Dynasties... teams... runs like this don't last forever. They have to make the most of all of this while it's here and Randy Moss just may be the exclamation point they're looking for.
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Makes me wonder why they didn't sign Branch last year.
 
massraider said:
Makes me wonder why they didn't sign Branch last year.
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you can revisit this if you'd like (or just use the search function), but Deion Branch is not, was not, and probably will never be an elite NFL WR. He simply wasn't worth the money he was asking for.What he was, was a good locker room guy, a good player, and a guy who deserved to be making more money than his rookie deal was paying him. The question was never "if" Branch deserved a raise, just how much.
 
Kit Fisto said:
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Kit Fisto said:
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JetsWillWin said:
http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/...rticleid=186445

“Moss quit on us last year,” a Raiders employee told the Journal Sentinel. “My feeling is he wants to go someplace where they can win. He knows he only has X number of years left and he’s never, ever won at any level.”
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He won a National Championship in College. :goodposting:
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Marshall won a National Championship? I guess I must have missed that Ohio State/Marshall classic...
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Marshall won the 1996 NCAA I-AA championship, beating Montana 49-29, to end the year 15-0. That team also featured Chad Pennington at QB.
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Yeah, I know. That was sarcasm.Winning the 1-AA championship? Seriously? OK then I guess I am a champion too, since my little league team won in 1979.
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Huh, didn't really seem like sarcasm, it seemed like you didn't know what you were talking about. Regardless, his team went as far as they possibly could at the level they were at, thus it's pretty stupid to say he's never won at any level. Hope this clears things up for you captain sarcasm.

 
TD Ryan said:
massraider said:
Makes me wonder why they didn't sign Branch last year.
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you can revisit this if you'd like (or just use the search function), but Deion Branch is not, was not, and probably will never be an elite NFL WR. He simply wasn't worth the money he was asking for.
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I'd rather not use the search function, because if I do, I might find a bunch of comments explaining how:WR's are less important to the Pats because they spread it around so much.Branch's attitude doesn't fit in with the team-first approach, and self-sacrifice that all Pats players possess.Fiscal restraint is why the Pats are so successful.And if I did find those comments, the inconsistencies between last year and this year might make me laugh so hard I could injure myself. Any Pats fan that believes any of that propaganda that's been shoved down everyone's throat the last few years probably shouldn't support a move for Randy Moss. Kind of hypocritical.
 
massraider said:
WR's are less important to the Pats because they spread it around so much.
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- with the emergence of fantasy football, every knucklehead in a cbs league knows the name of every WR down to the 5th spot of every roster. WR's aren't less important to the Pats... they are less important to every NFL team. It is not a position to build the foundation of your team off of even though it's a high profile position.
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Branch's attitude doesn't fit in with the team-first approach, and self-sacrifice that all Pats players possess.
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- I guess you may have found someone claiming to be a Pats fan say/post this... or you may have just made it up to help your argument. Either way it's not true. Branch wasn't seen as a bad guy in NE. His character, work ethic, and locker room presence were fantastic in NE and I'm sure they will be in SEA. However, none of that makes him over 6'tall or durable.
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Fiscal restraint is why the Pats are so successful.
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- if a "smart front office" = "fiscal restraint", then OK. It's the Pats bashers that beat the drum of "they don't pay anyone". They pay... when they think it's right. You show me the list of players that NE regrets losing because they wouldn't "pay". Adam Vinatieri maybe? Maybe Lawyer Milloy a few years ago?and finally, I will further support the Moss signing because it will give you haters just another reason to harp on the NE Patriots... and this time, if Moss does screw up, you may actually have a legit argument.
 
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Fiscal restraint is why the Pats are so successful.And if I did find those comments, the inconsistencies between last year and this year might make me laugh so hard I could injure myself. Any Pats fan that believes any of that propaganda that's been shoved down everyone's throat the last few years probably shouldn't support a move for Randy Moss. Kind of hypocritical.
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Fiscal restraint doesn't necessarily mean never offering big contracts to big name players, it means not throwing excessive money at every player on the market (see "Washington Redskins") and trying to do your level-best to get the most bang possible for the bucks you do spend.
 
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massraider said:
TD Ryan said:
massraider said:
Makes me wonder why they didn't sign Branch last year.
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you can revisit this if you'd like (or just use the search function), but Deion Branch is not, was not, and probably will never be an elite NFL WR. He simply wasn't worth the money he was asking for.
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I'd rather not use the search function, because if I do, I might find a bunch of comments explaining how:WR's are less important to the Pats because they spread it around so much.Branch's attitude doesn't fit in with the team-first approach, and self-sacrifice that all Pats players possess.Fiscal restraint is why the Pats are so successful.And if I did find those comments, the inconsistencies between last year and this year might make me laugh so hard I could injure myself. Any Pats fan that believes any of that propaganda that's been shoved down everyone's throat the last few years probably shouldn't support a move for Randy Moss. Kind of hypocritical.
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Why should they have signed Branch last year? He was under contract. Why does offering up a 2nd round pick mean that WR's are less important to the Patriots because the ball is spread around? These comments would've came after the drafting of Chad Jackson in the 2nd round. "Less important" is also an entirely relative term - I still believe that WR's are less important to the Patriots than to most, if not all, teams in the NFL. I doubt anyone made any comments about Branch's attitude - he was a good soldier while he was here. If there were any comments made about his attitude, it probably had to do with what I wrote in line # 1. Fiscal "restraint" is a term you will not find if you use the search function, because that's misleading. Fiscle DISCIPLINE maybe. Restraint just sounds like they don't pay $. That's not true.It makes ME laugh that you call the fiscal discipline of the Patriots "propaganda" yet don't stop to wonder where the Patriots, a team that made it to the AFC Championship game last season, has the cap room to sign the best defensive player in the free agent market. I wonder where all this cap space came from if the Patriots "fiscal restraint" is just a myth?Kinda makes you think, no?
 
Financial restraint also includes not being held for ransom by the players you can live without, leaving you with the flexibility and cap room to bring in the guys YOU DO want.

Deion Branch wants #1 WR money... no.

Randy Moss wants #1 WR money... all day.

 
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