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Are Brady Quinn and the Houston Texans a good match?

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I'm sure most of you have seen this by now, but Pasquerelli is reporting the Texans are so interested in drafting Brady Quinn, they may have a deal with the Redskins to move up to 6 and take him before the Vikings at 7.

It's hard to belive that just a year ago they were signing Carr to the max extension they could, giving him $8 mil a year, and proclaiming him the face of the franchise -- all while passing on hometown hero Vince Young. Apparently, this is their bizarro version of a do-over -- minus the hometown hero, plus possible cap penalties (depending on how they handle Carr), and give or take another round of fan apathy.

Not only is Quinn not VY, he's not Matt Leinart, either. Leinart came up big in all of the biggest games of his career (even the one he lost to Vince), but Quinn's laid way too many eggs to cinch the status of "sure thing." His much-vaunted accuracy strikes me as his biggest myth. Check out his big-game completion numbers against the best defenses he faced last year: 15-35 with 2 INT vs. LSU (loss), 22-45 vs USC (loss), 24-48 with 2 INT vs Mich (loss).

Even if he turns out to be a fine QB, is he really the right fit for the Texans? How much better than Carr is he, and how long will folks in Houston give him to prove it?

Jamaal Anderson may be there at 8. Imagine if they had taken VY last year and were able to take Anderson in a few weeks. I'd take that team over one with Mario Williams and Brady Quinn every day of the week.

[edited b/c my typos were annoying me]

 
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Published on rotoworld from the Houston Chronicle:

Brady Quinn-QB-Player Mar. 10 - 9:31 pm et

In response to a rumor posted on ESPN.com that the Texans may already have a deal in place with Washington for the No. 6 pick overall, the Houston Chronicle reports the team has no plans to trade up.

The Texans aren't expected to pass if Brady Quinn falls to No. 8, but they reportedly are unwilling to part with picks to get in better position for him. The Chronicle maintains that Houston aims to add picks, not move them.

 
wannabee said:
Published on rotoworld from the Houston Chronicle:

Brady Quinn-QB-Player Mar. 10 - 9:31 pm et

In response to a rumor posted on ESPN.com that the Texans may already have a deal in place with Washington for the No. 6 pick overall, the Houston Chronicle reports the team has no plans to trade up.

The Texans aren't expected to pass if Brady Quinn falls to No. 8, but they reportedly are unwilling to part with picks to get in better position for him. The Chronicle maintains that Houston aims to add picks, not move them.
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/4619278.htmlHere is the link the article with some of the text below.

For the second consecutive week, there has been a report that the Texans might be trying to move up in the draft to select quarterback Brady Quinn.

Neither report is true.

As the Chronicle reported last week, the Texans are not expected to pass up Quinn if he is available with the eighth pick, but they haven't tried to move up.

The Texans have denied they are interested in moving up. Executives with five of the teams that draft in front of the Texans said last week they haven't been contacted by general manager Rick Smith or coach Gary Kubiak about the Texans trying to move up in the first round.

Publicly and privately, the Texans insist they are trying to add draft choices, not surrender them.

As the draft draws closer, there will be a lot of reports involving a lot of teams, including the Texans, about moving up or down in the draft. A few might even be true.

The Texans have the same quarterbacks — David Carr, Sage Rosenfels and Bradlee Van Pelt — as they had at the end of the season.

They made an effort to sign Jeff Garcia and Patrick Ramsey. Why? Garcia would have been the starter with Rosenfels as the backup and, more than likely, a rookie selected in the second or third round.

If they had signed Ramsey, he would have backed up Rosenfels. A rookie would have been the third quarterback.

They wouldn't have signed Garcia to compete with Carr for the starting job and have Rosenfels as the third quarterback. Kubiak kept only two veterans on the roster last season.

They wouldn't have signed Ramsey as the third quarterback behind Carr and Rosenfels.

Even though the Texans never will admit it, both of those scenarios would have played out without Carr.

If the Texans end up with Quinn in the first round or a quarterback in the second or third round, the rookie is going to be developed. A veteran, probably Rosenfels, would start this season.

Rosenfels also is the type of veteran who will work with a rookie and help develop him.

So where does that leave Carr? Still on the trading block, but it takes two to make a trade.
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Good info, but the Texans are obviously considering him, regardless of whether the Washington rumor is true -- even the Chron piece says "the Texans are not expected to pass up Quinn if he is available with the eighth pick."

So the question still stands: good idea or bad?

 
they could have drafted either Bush , Vince Young , or Matt Leinart last year, but instead, they're stuck with a aging Ahman Green and NO starting QB heading into the 2007 season. And now this?

wow. And I thought the Jets had bad luck!

How do you go from a project named Dave Carr to another project named Brady Quinn? I could see them drafting Quinn, but they're going to need to sign a veteran QB to start this season, someone like Trent Green/Bledsoe, or maybe talk Plummer out of retirement. I know Bledsoe is a statue, but he's an accurate passer and would be an improvement over Carr.What the Texans really need is a few good O-linemen.

 
He is not going to make it to the Texans , Cleveland will select him .

The Browns cant pass on him , they have zero QB on their roster ( Frye showed he is worthless and Anderson please ) so they need to draft Quinn and start him first week .

 
As of this moment, Sage Rosenfeld is the likely opening day starter for the Texans. They wont give up a draft pick, any draft pick, for a QB. The team has a wide variety of needs and the new management plan on building through the draft. If they get Quinn at 8, he'll be allowed to develop for a year or 2 on the bench, by which time the team is hopefully turning around. Seems like a good fit as long as the team is looking longer term.

Besides, the Texans have cap issues and they'll need another year or 2 in order to fix those issues.

As for Quinn's preformances in big games, he didn't play all that well but he was also on his back for large portions of those games. You can't find a QB that can play well with as much consistent pressure as he faced, especially with a sub-par running game. I'm not entirely sold on Quinn, but those games shouldn't preclude his being a top draft pick any more then Russel's big day against ND should qualify him for the first pick. Fact of the matter is, the entire ND team got run over three times last year because they were completely outclassed by their opposition.

One last thing. Carr was very accurate last year. He just never threw the ball over 10 yards.

 
For some reason, I don't ever get tired of pointing out what a bone-headed draft pick last year! What were they thinking???? :mellow:

 
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For some reason, I don't ever get tired of pointing out what a bone-headed draft pick last year! What were they thinking???? :lmao:
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I have a feeling MArio Williams is going to develop into an above average end in the NFL, but people will never forget that the TExans took him over Bush. Texans need to take the best player available, period. Whether that is Jamal Anderson, Landry . . . etc. Too many holes to decide to pick for need.
 
zed2283 said:
For some reason, I don't ever get tired of pointing out what a bone-headed draft pick last year! What were they thinking???? :lmao:
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Yeah, I don't think drafting Quinn will make up for not drafting the area's beloved Vince Young. Also, the NFLN guys broke down film of Quinn and revealed a weakness for throwing on the run. I'm guessing Kubiak would prefer to utilize the rollout plays he learned from Shanahan. But like I said, I'm guessing.
 
nygiants56 said:
they could have drafted either Bush , Vince Young , or Matt Leinart last year, but instead, they're stuck with a aging Ahman Green and NO starting QB heading into the 2007 season. And now this?

wow. And I thought the Jets had bad luck!

How do you go from a project named Dave Carr to another project named Brady Quinn? I could see them drafting Quinn, but they're going to need to sign a veteran QB to start this season, someone like Trent Green/Bledsoe, or maybe talk Plummer out of retirement. I know Bledsoe is a statue, but he's an accurate passer and would be an improvement over Carr.What the Texans really need is a few good O-linemen.
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Now I have heard everything. Bledsoe in Houston? :goodposting:
 
Their mistake was extending Carr rather than bringing in a veteran who they could work with. If they were going to draft offense a year ago, QB was the way to do it, not Bush. The Williams pick (assuming he's talented enough to reasonably justify the draft position) wasn't a stupid pick from the standpoint of drafting good building blocks, but by staking their fate to Carr, they've put themselves back into almost an identical position as last year, except for the fact that they now have a worse draft position and an probably a weaker draft class at QB, balanced only by having the best DE from last year's class now (and Ryans wasn't bad either).

 
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I don't see the comparison between Quinn and Carr. Carr has a phenomenal amount of athleticism, was a Jeff Tedford product where you basically make 1 read, has questionable mechanics and not a good feel for the game- he simply never steps up in the pocket.

Quinn has average athleticism, played in a pro-style system where you must identify mismatches and go through progressions, has excellent mechanics (although they do break down undr strong pressure) and haas very good pocket awareness. Quinn would have been right in the QB mix if he declared last year. He was slightly worse this year, but that is no surprise given that Fasano and Stovall moved on.

 
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