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strong like bull
Im just not sure how he fits. He doesn't seem like a feature back, but he's not a versatile role-playing back either. I suppose he could be a Tatum Bell/Julius Jones type as his upside, which is why he ranks higher on my fantasy list than my draft list.
Wow, Leonard at 4? Really? I'm not saying its not right...its just surprising to me. I had him at 6 in my own personal rankings behind Hunt and Bush. Do you think he could ever be a starting HB in the NFL? I really can only see him as a RBBC but you know more then me
PFW has him at #4 as well.
This is exactly my concern as well. He strikes me as someone who will be far more valuable to his NFL team than he ever will be from a fantasy perspective.
He'll be a top 10 back in the 2008 class.
The bottom line in my draft rankings is helping your team win games. I think Leonard will excel in that category, even if he doesnt get enough touches to be a big factor in fantasy leagues. A lot of his value doesn't show up on the stat sheet.
I think you need to make it clearer in the thread's title that this is your NFL draft list, not your fantasy ranking list.
Thanks. I wasn't sure if he was coming back or not.
These are strictly pre-draft rankings. The Bloom 100 is still in effect for relative fantasy values and will continue to be updated after the draft.
this is a funny thread:Lammey : Mine are up tomorrow. here is Blooms.
For me it all comes down to versatility and big plays. Few, if any, backs in this class have Booker's game breaking combination of shiftiness and straight line speed. He can also split out wide, creating matchup nightmares for DCs, and return kicks. There are plenty of guys that gave us time to talk to them, and some at the Texas vs. the Nation that I would consider friends after hanging out with them back at the hotel. The fact that Booker gave us his time did not influence our rankings - in fact it was the exact opposite. When I met Booker's agent in Mobile, I told him we thought he was extremely underrated and would be one of the steals of the draft. The fact we saw "the real Booker" before others did was the reason Booker and his agent warmed to us so much, not the other way around.
He's going to miss spring practice, but he'll be back in Ann Arbor this fall.
I wouldnt say Booker's college stats are "awful":
YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST2003 62 334 5.4 71 3 19 86 4.5 20 0 0 02004 173 887 5.1 53 4 24 160 6.7 25 0 0 02005 119 552 4.6 58 4 38 329 8.7 71 2 0 02006 143 616 4.3 34 4 33 420 12.7 73 0 0 0YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST2003 74 387 5.2 27 1 10 90 9.0 18 0 0 02004 138 951 6.9 69 7 14 90 6.4 14 0 0 02005 97 430 4.4 26 3 25 267 10.7 61 1 0 0
Averaging these out... Bloom / Lammey / BacaA player not in another top20 gets 21 points...
01-Adrian Peterson-Oklahoma----------6'2--217--01-01-01--01.002-Marshawn Lynch--California--------5'11-215--02-02-02--02.003-Lorenzo Booker--Florida State-----5'11-191--03-03-03--03.004-Michael Bush----Louisville--------6'2--243--05-04-04--04.305-Kenny Irons-----Auburn------------5'11-203--07-05-05--05.706-Brian Leonard---Rutgers-----------6'2--226--04-06-09--06.307-Antonio Pittman-Ohio State--------5'11-207--08-07-06--07.008-Brandon Jackson-Nebraska----------5'10-210--09-09-07--08.309-Tony Hunt-------Penn State--------6'2--233--06-08-12--08.710-Kolby Smith-----Louisville--------5'11-220--13-10-13--12.011-Jason Snelling--Virginia----------5'11-230--11-16-11--12.712-DeShawn Wynn----Florida-----------5'10-232--17-12-10--13.013-Dwayne Wright---Fresno State------6'0--228--12-14-16--14.014-Darius Walker---Notre Dame--------5'10-206--14-13-15--14.015-Thomas Clayton--Kansas State------5'10-218--16-11-xx--16.016-Tyrone Moss-----Miami-Florida-----5'9--231--19-15-14--16.017-Ahmad Bradshaw--Marshall----------5'10-198--10-19-xx--16.718-Kenneth Darby---Alabama-----------5'10-213--xx-xx-08--16.719-Selvin Young----Texas-------------5'11-207--15-20-18--17.720-Chris Henry-----Arizona-----------5'11-230--18-18-19--18.321-Garrett Wolfe---Northern Illinois-5'8--186--20-xx-17--19.322-Ronnie McGill---North Carolina----5'10-220--xx-17-20--19.3Bloom, I don't understand how comparing the guy you rank as RB3 with Leon Washington is helping your argument. Washington was mediocre in college, drafted as RB9 (in an admittedly deeper draft), and was mediocre in his first year in the NFL. If the rough idea is to say Booker is on par with Washington, then I'll agree.Sigmund Bloom said:
It's very good, but not elite. I haven't checked, but I'm assuming there are at least a handful over 40.(For what it's worth, I did 36 reps back in college - too bad I'm 5'10"
)Like the above poster says it's good, but not great. Either way that stat is overrated by the rest of us who couldn't imagine being able to lift that much weight. I remember some lineman from a div II school set the record with 45 reps a few years back and wasn't even drafted
It was mainly to show that Booker's "awful" stats do not preclude success in the NFL. Washington had similar stats at Florida St, and was modestly successful. Anyone who has watched both backs should agree that Booker's skillset is a notch above Washington's - so I see Washington as Booker's floor.
Man, never thought I'd see that sentence.
Let sleeping dogs lie dOOd.
I'll let this one go...
Agreed. I think he's still a year away so whoever drafts him will need to be patient. That being said, he has a heck of a lot more upside than does a Brian Leonard or Antonio Pittman.I think the combine will hurt his draft position, and as a result he will be an even greater dynasty sleeper.
where can I find Mayock's rankings?
Totally agree in terms of not understanding how he'd fit into the NFL. Not enough talent to be a starting NFL back but also doesn't seem to have the receiving skills to be a third down back. I think whenever a guy doesn't appear to have talent he's compared to Rudi Johnson...I've seen that thrown around here a few times...I don't think he'll have half the career Rudi has had.
It was pretty funny....LHUCKS said:
Thoughts on this, anyone? Bloom, ya there? What can we expect out of the guys outside of the top 2 this year? We see how they are ranked, sure, but Wood's comment brings up an interesting point that could change the way we draft or trade draft picks.
Outside of the top-2 guys, much of it will depend on situation. For example, Dom Davis and Rudi Johnson are recent example of later picks that found themselves in situations where, given the opportunity, they were able to take a lot of carries and make the most of them. Michael Turner is the opposite case. We can pick over these guys a ton (and it's fun to do so) but the mud isn't going to start settling on the bottom of the pond until after draft day.
Exactly
It's rare when a RB is so transcendant he can step into virtually any situation and have success; but in this class I think most of the backs has some very pronounced flaws. In my mind, prior to the draft, all we can do is speculate and one of the ways I do that with RBs is to think about how many situations I could envision them flourishing in, versus really struggling.That's one of the reasons I'm so perplexed about Lorenzo Booker. I can think of so few situations where he's likely to even get the chance to flourish, much less have the situation in place to facilitate it.
