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Ole Miss LB Willis Runs 4.37 In The Forty

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University of Mississippi LB Patrick Willis, at 6-1, 237 pounds, ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 and 4.38. He also had a 4.37 short shuttle and 7.10 three-cone drill at Ole Miss Pro Day. He stood on his numbers from the Combine for the rest. Willis ran a 4.49 in the 40-yard dash at last month's combine.

Does this put him in the TOP 10???

 
jgb95 said:
Ole Miss LB Willis Runs 4.37 In The Forty

NFL.com - [Full Article]

University of Mississippi LB Patrick Willis, at 6-1, 237 pounds, ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 and 4.38. He also had a 4.37 short shuttle and 7.10 three-cone drill at Ole Miss Pro Day. He stood on his numbers from the Combine for the rest. Willis ran a 4.49 in the 40-yard dash at last month's combine.

Does this put him in the TOP 10???
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Yeah, I just came on here to say WOW. I initially hoped the Bills wouldn't select him at 12, now he's #2 behind the hope we trade up to get Peterson.
 
I do not get how the guy shaved .1 off the combine number which is already a very fast track.

 
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I do not get how the guy shaved .1 off the combine number which is already a very fast track.
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MSU has a very very fast track. That and I would expect he's been working hard with a pro day expert. Getting below 4.4 means an awful lot of extra money.
 
bcr8f said:
TME said:
I do not get how the guy shaved .1 off the combine number which is already a very fast track.
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MSU has a very very fast track. That and I would expect he's been working hard with a pro day expert. Getting below 4.4 means an awful lot of extra money.
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whoa, whoa, whoa... Ole Miss and Mississippi State University are NOT the same school. Just a Rebel homer setting the record straight. :goodposting: & WOW @ PW!!! I have watched this guy very closely the last two years & I'm so excited that he's gonna be in the league now!!!

 
Willis already set the record straight about his athleticism (or perceived lack thereof) at the combine, this is just the exclamation point. He's in the play in the late single digit picks now, and Ill be shocked if he gets past Carolina. San Fran is a great possibility - their staff worked with Willis all week in Mobile, Singletary coached him all week, Nolan said he was more impressive than Ryans was last year, and so on...

 
I would have liked to see the Bills grab Willis in round 1 if they didn't see a DT they love, but now it looks like they probably won't even get a chance.

 
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willis is a bad man...

to use an analogy, sometimes in sales, you try & close doors (objections)... when all the doors are closed, you usually have made the sale...

when i'm vetting a prospect, i try & accumulate as much info as possible... when you have a confluence & convergence of multiple sources & types of information pointing to excellence, & few red flags, that is a good thing & makes me feel like a pick is safer...

to recap...

willis was long time starter... starred in his conference... won LB of the year award... was one of best players at senior bowl... was dominant in his position at COMBINE... by all accounts is eminently coachable, a team player, has a nasty, fiery, agressive disposition, is a leader, has passion & intensity for the game, fairly good instincts...

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he is taking a run at being first defensive player off the board in the actual draft (when until recently it was thought to be guys like DEs adams & anderson & S landry), and almost certainly the first IDP in nearly all dynasty rookie drafts from class of 07...

hawk & simms were among best prospects in 06 & were 4.4 guys...

derrick johnson was i think 4.4 & vilma & DJ williams more like 4.5...

willis could be close to 2/10th of a second faster than latter two, & they were amazing athletes in their own right (DJ was #1 recruited prospect in nation from concord de la salle as star RB/LB... only player madden ever said could go directly from prep ranks to NFL... high praise, needles to say)...

 
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Wow, that's shocking. I wonder where he'll fall in rookie drafts.
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This is what I am wondering as well.I don't have a first rounder in my 10 team rookie draft, but I do have 2.01, 2.03, and 2.04. Wondering if he will fall to 2.01....
 
pyite76 said:
Tick said:
Wow, that's shocking. I wonder where he'll fall in rookie drafts.
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This is what I am wondering as well.I don't have a first rounder in my 10 team rookie draft, but I do have 2.01, 2.03, and 2.04. Wondering if he will fall to 2.01....
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Unless LBs are king in your league, I wouldn't think he'd go in the top 10.In most leagues, I don't see him taken ahead of The big 3Russel or QuinnOlsenJarrett, Meachem, Bowe, Rice, and GinnPittman, Michael Bush, Booker, and IronsThat's 15. I could see him going anywhere after this.
 
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It seems that the top tier offensive depth determines where the first IDP will be taken.

Last year, Hawk was around 10-12 because that's where the dropoff was among offensive players. He went after Leinart, Young, Cutler, Davis, Bush, Maroney, DWilliams, Addai, White, then somewhere in the Holmes, Jackson, Drew area.

This year, I could see it being earlier depending on the WRs and any RBs that fall in good positions. I would think he'd go before the TEs and before the third QB (unless Edwards gets drafted into a good spot).

 
pyite76 said:
Tick said:
Wow, that's shocking. I wonder where he'll fall in rookie drafts.
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This is what I am wondering as well.I don't have a first rounder in my 10 team rookie draft, but I do have 2.01, 2.03, and 2.04. Wondering if he will fall to 2.01....
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He could but you should trade up a few spots if you want him. Last year Hawk went at 11 in some drafts.
 
bcr8f said:
pyite76 said:
Tick said:
Wow, that's shocking. I wonder where he'll fall in rookie drafts.
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This is what I am wondering as well.I don't have a first rounder in my 10 team rookie draft, but I do have 2.01, 2.03, and 2.04. Wondering if he will fall to 2.01....
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He could but you should trade up a few spots if you want him. Last year Hawk went at 11 in some drafts.
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Reminds me of that Limbo song: "....how low can you go."The word on Willis is that he's the classic Fletcher LB, a 12 tackle terror as a two down backer. Now, with that speed you'd expect him to be a three down backer but the word on the street is that he's locked into a two down roll.

If anybody can convice me that he's worth a 1.08 pick as a two down backer, have at it....unless of course, your league has bonus points over five tackles. :lmao:

 
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Magic Desert Toads said:
bcr8f said:
pyite76 said:
Tick said:
Wow, that's shocking. I wonder where he'll fall in rookie drafts.
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This is what I am wondering as well.I don't have a first rounder in my 10 team rookie draft, but I do have 2.01, 2.03, and 2.04. Wondering if he will fall to 2.01....
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He could but you should trade up a few spots if you want him. Last year Hawk went at 11 in some drafts.
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Reminds me of that Limbo song: "....how low can you go."The word on Willis is that he's the classic Fletcher LB, a 12 tackle terror as a two down backer. Now, with that speed you'd expect him to be a three down backer but the word on the street is that he's locked into a two down roll.

If anybody can convice me that he's worth a 1.08 pick as a two down backer, have at it....unless of course, your league has bonus points over five tackles. :lmao:
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Mine does - and Top LBs score about as well as top 10 RBs :drool:
 
Magic Desert Toads said:
bcr8f said:
pyite76 said:
Tick said:
Wow, that's shocking. I wonder where he'll fall in rookie drafts.
Click to expand...
This is what I am wondering as well.I don't have a first rounder in my 10 team rookie draft, but I do have 2.01, 2.03, and 2.04. Wondering if he will fall to 2.01....
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He could but you should trade up a few spots if you want him. Last year Hawk went at 11 in some drafts.
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Reminds me of that Limbo song: "....how low can you go."The word on Willis is that he's the classic Fletcher LB, a 12 tackle terror as a two down backer. Now, with that speed you'd expect him to be a three down backer but the word on the street is that he's locked into a two down roll.

If anybody can convice me that he's worth a 1.08 pick as a two down backer, have at it....unless of course, your league has bonus points over five tackles. :wall:
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Coverage is not one of his strengths, for sure, I guess he could start out as a 2 down backer, but eventually he won't leave the field. Sounds like someone :bag: to get Willis to slide to them :D
 
Rozelle said:
Magic Desert Toads said:
bcr8f said:
pyite76 said:
Tick said:
Wow, that's shocking. I wonder where he'll fall in rookie drafts.
Click to expand...
This is what I am wondering as well.I don't have a first rounder in my 10 team rookie draft, but I do have 2.01, 2.03, and 2.04. Wondering if he will fall to 2.01....
Click to expand...
He could but you should trade up a few spots if you want him. Last year Hawk went at 11 in some drafts.
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Reminds me of that Limbo song: "....how low can you go."The word on Willis is that he's the classic Fletcher LB, a 12 tackle terror as a two down backer. Now, with that speed you'd expect him to be a three down backer but the word on the street is that he's locked into a two down roll.

If anybody can convice me that he's worth a 1.08 pick as a two down backer, have at it....unless of course, your league has bonus points over five tackles. :hifive:
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Coverage is not one of his strengths, for sure, I guess he could start out as a 2 down backer, but eventually he won't leave the field. Sounds like someone :goodposting: to get Willis to slide to them :pickle:
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Seriously, just because he's fast and has a publicity machine behind him doesn't mean he's The Linebacker God!Fact: he doesn't do a good job of defending against the pass. If he doesn't have the skills to do that he can also start out as a two down backer and never acquire them.

He's Zack Thomas size, maybe a tad smaller, but Thomas was a fifth rounder, not the top choice in the draft. He's an inside LB that comes off the field after second down and that's a knock in tackle leagues. He has to get all his tackles from an inside LB position in a 3-4 or as a MLB in a 4-3, probaby his best position. Al Wilson has played MLB, as a three down backer, for nine year's and has always been a marginal top 30 backer.

A lot depends on where Willis ends up and that will unfold in about three weeks. :hey: I'll reserve his top LB tag until that one play's out....The Voice of Reason In The Wilderness.

 
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everybody thought Kirk Morrison would only be a 2-down backer in the NFL.

I'm sure there are many other LBs who were projected that way that exceeded expectations. I have little doubt that Willis will be a 3-down LB and an IDP stud.

if Willis goes to Buffalo, he's going to be a tackle machine.

 
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It may be just me, but I'm thinking that a team drafting a LB in the 1st (current Willis projection) isn't going for simply a 2-down only LB.

 
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Magic Desert Toads said:
Seriously, just because he's fast and has a publicity machine behind him doesn't mean he's The Linebacker God!

Fact: he doesn't do a good job of defending against the pass. If he doesn't have the skills to do that he can also start out as a two down backer and never acquire them.

He's Zack Thomas size, maybe a tad smaller, but Thomas was a fifth rounder, not the top choice in the draft. He's an inside LB that comes off the field after second down and that's a knock in tackle leagues. He has to get all his tackles from an inside LB position in a 3-4 or as a MLB in a 4-3, probaby his best position. Al Wilson has played MLB, as a three down backer, for nine year's and has always been a marginal top 30 backer.

A lot depends on where Willis ends up and that will unfold in about three weeks. :lmao: I'll reserve his top LB tag until that one play's out....The Voice of Reason In The Wilderness.
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I'm no college football enthusiast but I have yet to read a scouting report that says Willis will project as a below average coverage backer. What I'm reading suggests he's got the range and athleticism to be successful in coverage but could improve his recognition and ball skills. I certainly haven't seen anything that suggests he'll be limited to a two down role.When I look at his size, speed, and skill set I see Mike Peterson like NFL potential if his skills translate as well to the pro game as some observers (eg Mike Singletary, Mike Nolan, etc) feel they will.

 
Jene Bramel said:
Magic Desert Toads said:
Seriously, just because he's fast and has a publicity machine behind him doesn't mean he's The Linebacker God!

Fact: he doesn't do a good job of defending against the pass. If he doesn't have the skills to do that he can also start out as a two down backer and never acquire them.

He's Zack Thomas size, maybe a tad smaller, but Thomas was a fifth rounder, not the top choice in the draft. He's an inside LB that comes off the field after second down and that's a knock in tackle leagues. He has to get all his tackles from an inside LB position in a 3-4 or as a MLB in a 4-3, probaby his best position. Al Wilson has played MLB, as a three down backer, for nine year's and has always been a marginal top 30 backer.

A lot depends on where Willis ends up and that will unfold in about three weeks. :goodposting: I'll reserve his top LB tag until that one play's out....The Voice of Reason In The Wilderness.
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I'm no college football enthusiast but I have yet to read a scouting report that says Willis will project as a below average coverage backer. What I'm reading suggests he's got the range and athleticism to be successful in coverage but could improve his recognition and ball skills. I certainly haven't seen anything that suggests he'll be limited to a two down role.When I look at his size, speed, and skill set I see Mike Peterson like NFL potential if his skills translate as well to the pro game as some observers (eg Mike Singletary, Mike Nolan, etc) feel they will.
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My understanding is that Willis' speed (straight line and side to side) was the largest concern people...NFL types...had in regards to his ability to work into a three down role. I have not had as much time as usual this fall/spring to scout/watch players but I did read that Willis' situation hinged on his speed or lack thereof and his workouts cleared the matter up. He can be coached up, as long as he has the necessary recovery speed, and worked into that job on Sundays. If his times are true, Willis is not a liablity in coverage, assuming he overcomes his weaknesses. Technically speaking, the kid is proficient. He is not a prospect coming from a second tier athletic conference. Willis racked a** in the SEC on a weekly basis. He is the best pure tackler/finisher in the draft and he enters the league light years ahead of D. Ryans in terms of physical measurables and playing ability. The only thing I cannot determine is if Willis has the same overall onfield acumen as Ryans. Ryans is/was a damn smart football player. I cannot make the same assessment about Willis.

 
jgb95 said:
Ole Miss LB Willis Runs 4.37 In The Forty

NFL.com - [Full Article]

University of Mississippi LB Patrick Willis, at 6-1, 237 pounds, ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 and 4.38. He also had a 4.37 short shuttle and 7.10 three-cone drill at Ole Miss Pro Day. He stood on his numbers from the Combine for the rest. Willis ran a 4.49 in the 40-yard dash at last month's combine.

Does this put him in the TOP 10???
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Back to the salt mines.In the type of league you reference (noted from the contents of the signature), the picks will be about as follows:

1.) The first six picks, in no particular order, will be 4-RB's, I-WR and 1-QB.

2.) The next six picks will be, in no particular order:

a.) #5-RB

b.) #2-QB

c.) #1-LB

d.) #1-TE

e.) #1-Safety

f.) #2-WR

You could make an argument for the #6 -RB to displace any one of those guys, or you could substitute a #1-DE in there or even the #3-WR or a #2-LB but none surplant the #1-LB. The #1 Safety could fall out; scoring system dependent.

Conclusion: Willis is for sure a top twelve choice and most certainly a top ten pick.

 
In the league in my sig we are allowed to draft NCAA players anytime so Willis is already gone!!!

I meant in the real NFL Draft.

As you can see I already drafted Gaines Adams, Kenny Irons and D Jarrett last year. We carry these guys on our PS but they cost us a weekly fee that comes out of our bonus money. We get $250,000 for every W in the reg season. A NCAA player costs us $13,000/week. So it cost me $39,000/week * 13 weeks.

We also start 5 OLmen every week but leagues don't so i didn't put them in my sig.

Sounds crazy but this is the most fun I've ever had in FF!!!!

 
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jgb95 said:
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We also start 5 OLmen every week but leagues don't so i didn't put them in my sig.

Sounds crazy but this is the most fun I've ever had in FF!!!!
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I re-read that and discovered the reference to OLmen, probably an error and meant to be DLmen?If not, how do you score points for OLmen? # of pancakes, less sacks allowed?

 
I actually coached against PW's team in a basketball game when he was in High School

all the athleticism tidbits you have been reading are absolutely accurate

he was a beast on the hardwood, speed, strength, finesse, fluidity, dunk on your head, everything

he had over 30 points but it was so long ago i cant remember the rebound and other stat figures

 
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