I'm so confused why people think Schaub is or will even be a good or at the least average QB. The guy has done absolutely nothing in his career and probably will be worse than Carr. Paying him starter's money is just plain stupid. This guys will be a HUGE bust. You heard it first here.
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Why do people rate Schaub as a good QB (1 Viewer)
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I understand saying you're not sure he's going to make it, but what makes you sure he's going to be a bust? Please tell us what you've seen when you've watched him play, or heard about him, that makes you think he will bust.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I often wonder why Schaub was annointed the next big thing. He hasn't done much. He's a preseason player at this point.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I think there's some hyperbole involved in the OP, but I have to concur I'm not sure how this trade makes sense for Houston. There is no indication that Schaub is any better than David Carr, and if he gets the same type of protection in Houston that Carr got, Schaub will be a major bust.
I think Carr is an underrated QB, and if some team out there needs a starter, I'd part with a 3rd round pick in an eyeblink. Granted, he has his flaws, but from what I've seen of him (limited - homers, correct me if I'm wrong) he has pretty good accuracy and quite good mobility. Certainly, he has more promise and the ability to help a team now, as opposed to whatever QBs are likely to be out there in round 3 of this draft.
I think Carr is an underrated QB, and if some team out there needs a starter, I'd part with a 3rd round pick in an eyeblink. Granted, he has his flaws, but from what I've seen of him (limited - homers, correct me if I'm wrong) he has pretty good accuracy and quite good mobility. Certainly, he has more promise and the ability to help a team now, as opposed to whatever QBs are likely to be out there in round 3 of this draft.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
I heard this exact take on Fitz and Brooks yesterday
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
What is Fitz and Brooks, a radio show?I heard this exact take on Fitz and Brooks yesterday
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Country Music groupWhat is Fitz and Brooks, a radio show?I heard this exact take on Fitz and Brooks yesterday
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I outlined some of this in the other thread, but he's basically had one good game as a starter against a shell of a New England defense. That's pretty much it for positives. He has not seen a lot of live action and when he has (in all his games vs anyone but N.E.) statistically he has been below average. I guess he's looked good in preseason action, but I'm not sure how viable that is as an evaluation tool.The fact of the matter is that he's played so sparingly in the regular season that no one knows definitively how productive he may or may not be. He was the 90th player selected in his draft class and the 5th QB taken after Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, and Losman. I don't remember him being the second coming of (insert name here) in his time at Virginia.As for the debate as to what has he done to merit talk of being a future bust, the counterargument is what has he done to NOT be considered a potential bust.I certainly have no clue what to expect from Schaub, but IMO the love displayed by many people for him surprises me. Maybe that has stemmed from the anti-Vick camp . . .
To answer the original question, here are a few of the reasons:
1) Schaub really got the Falcons coaching staff's attention when he was basically ready to be a the backup in a WCO at the end of his first camp, with an excellent preseason. Yes, he ran something similar in Virginia, but the point is that the Falcons felt comfortable giving him responsibility from day one - usually something reserved for top of the first round QBs. How many rookie QBs were backups last year at the end of camp... Leinart, Cutler, Young and....? exactly.
That first preseason, Jim Mora said:
3) There's all of the interest Schaub has garnered around the league for the last 2 years. Im not even going to link to all the stories, but it's clear that the book on Schaub around the league is that he's starter quality. Minnesota and Miami among others were looking at making a play for him last year, but neither would give their first, which was Atlanta's asking price. Now, you can say that the whole NFL is just buying into the hype too, but you should just know that its not only people like me on this board, or the Texans front office, that believe that Schaub can be at least an adequate starting QB - the entire league has thought it for a while now.
1) Schaub really got the Falcons coaching staff's attention when he was basically ready to be a the backup in a WCO at the end of his first camp, with an excellent preseason. Yes, he ran something similar in Virginia, but the point is that the Falcons felt comfortable giving him responsibility from day one - usually something reserved for top of the first round QBs. How many rookie QBs were backups last year at the end of camp... Leinart, Cutler, Young and....? exactly.
That first preseason, Jim Mora said:
2) There's The game against NE in 2005Schaub had one week to prepare for his first NFL start, and he was more than ready. Yes, the NE secondary was banged up, but still Schaub led two 4th quarter TD drives and converted a two point conversion with less than 5 minutes left to tie the game. You can point to Volek, Garrett, or Fitzpatrick, but anyone who watched those QBs, and watched Schaub that day, can attest to the fact that Schaub showed the bread and butter skills you need to make it in this league, whereas the other 3 looked like backups. You have to go beyond the stats.
3) There's all of the interest Schaub has garnered around the league for the last 2 years. Im not even going to link to all the stories, but it's clear that the book on Schaub around the league is that he's starter quality. Minnesota and Miami among others were looking at making a play for him last year, but neither would give their first, which was Atlanta's asking price. Now, you can say that the whole NFL is just buying into the hype too, but you should just know that its not only people like me on this board, or the Texans front office, that believe that Schaub can be at least an adequate starting QB - the entire league has thought it for a while now.
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Sabertooth, this is the second time you have made a straw man argument about Schaub. I dont see anyone saying Schaub will lead Houston to the promised land, or even be more than an average starter - all people have said is that he's good enough to start and should get a full shot to take over a team.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Now, here's the difference between a fan sitting at home and the people who make their living evaluating talent.
A fan will say nothing is known about him, he's done nothing, he's only played two games and lost them both (gee, I didn't realize he personally lost both games -- I guess the rest of his team had nothing to do with that).
The "only two games" argument makes me laugh every time, as though this guy has never touched a football in his life except during those two games. Some must think players sit in boxes all week waiting to be taken out on Sunday, and if they don't start they remain in their boxes. These guys get offseason reps. They practice all week during the season. Their talent becomes evident and they get known by the people who matter. Scouts, coaches, GMs all understand that players don't sit in boxes.
Schaub was highly recommended to Kubiak by Bill Musgrave, Al Groh, and Alex Gibbs. These guys, just maybe, might know a little more about Schaub than the fan who has done his expert evaluation based on two games, both of which he (all by himself apparently) lost.
A fan will say nothing is known about him, he's done nothing, he's only played two games and lost them both (gee, I didn't realize he personally lost both games -- I guess the rest of his team had nothing to do with that).
The "only two games" argument makes me laugh every time, as though this guy has never touched a football in his life except during those two games. Some must think players sit in boxes all week waiting to be taken out on Sunday, and if they don't start they remain in their boxes. These guys get offseason reps. They practice all week during the season. Their talent becomes evident and they get known by the people who matter. Scouts, coaches, GMs all understand that players don't sit in boxes.
Schaub was highly recommended to Kubiak by Bill Musgrave, Al Groh, and Alex Gibbs. These guys, just maybe, might know a little more about Schaub than the fan who has done his expert evaluation based on two games, both of which he (all by himself apparently) lost.
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coolnerd
Footballguy
Carr's accuracy is very good below 15 yards, but he does run hot and cold even within games. Mobility it depends on what you mean. If is rollouts, bootlegs, and outside of the pocket scrammbles then he is above average. If mobility means slide stepping the rush to throw or stepping up in the pocket to also throw he has been awful at that.
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see above post.
T Man
Footballguy
Teams have always looked at backup QBs as potential stars. Sometimes it has worked and sometimes it hasn't. I think the price paid was too much, but if Schaub is at least steady (he doesn't need to be spectacular) the trade will be a good one for Houston.
My guess is Kubiak, after having been with Carr for a season, felt that Carr could not either (1) handle the offensive system, or (2) would never be very good in Houston (although could be good elsewhere with a fresh start), or (3) both.
In looking at the ATL offense, he felt that Schaub ran the offense well and could transfer that skill set to the Houston offense.
Carr should have a chance to rejuvenate his career. I think he prefers a place where he can be the starter, but IMHO he would be better off in a situation behind a star QB where he can just sit back, watch and learn. He never was given that opportunity in Houston. A team like Indy, NE, etc.
He may also be a good fit in Carolina. He wouldn't be expected to supplant Delhomme, but if Delhomme plays like he did last year, he may have a chance to take over sooner rather then later.
More likely Carr goes to a team like Oakland -- where I think he will have the same problems.
My guess is Kubiak, after having been with Carr for a season, felt that Carr could not either (1) handle the offensive system, or (2) would never be very good in Houston (although could be good elsewhere with a fresh start), or (3) both.
In looking at the ATL offense, he felt that Schaub ran the offense well and could transfer that skill set to the Houston offense.
Carr should have a chance to rejuvenate his career. I think he prefers a place where he can be the starter, but IMHO he would be better off in a situation behind a star QB where he can just sit back, watch and learn. He never was given that opportunity in Houston. A team like Indy, NE, etc.
He may also be a good fit in Carolina. He wouldn't be expected to supplant Delhomme, but if Delhomme plays like he did last year, he may have a chance to take over sooner rather then later.
More likely Carr goes to a team like Oakland -- where I think he will have the same problems.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Efficiency IMHO will be what makes him stand out compared to Carr. Not turning the ball over will be key to an offense that ran the 27th fewest offensive plays from scrimmage. If he can do that, the offense will have more opportunity to put up points. Also, he has shown a knack for the deep ball, something that David Carr was shy about simply from the lack of protection. It is my belief that his years in Houston have made Carr question his instinct and have stunted his growth. A change of scenery may be all he needs to salvage his career.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
After 2006 Draft... you have to question everything Houston does...
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Certainly one game does not a career make or players like Volek would be HOFers. However, in that Pats game the NE defense was in shambles and many starters and pretty much the entire starting secondary was out with injuries. In their surrounding games around that time, the Pats defense allowed games of 28, 28, 40, and 41 points--EASILY the worst month for points allowed by the Pats post-2001.Again, I am not qualified to evaluate Schaub as I am not an NFL scout, but I wonder with the number of QBs that normally shuffle around in the offseason and the players available in the draft if two 2nd round picks and dropping two spots in the first round this year really gets Houston a big upgrade at the QB spot.
We certainly can also debate if swapping QBs is the fix to the offense (I personally don't think that alone will make much difference) or whether the supporting cast (mainly OL) and playcalling were bigger issues than the QB.
I generally am in favor of teams at least making an effort to shake things up so I don't really have anything negative to say when a team at least makes an effort to go in a different direction. Maybe things will work out for the Texans, but IMO they did not get a PROVEN commodity even if Schaub has looked good either in college, the preseason, or practice.
Fantasy wise I suspect he will initialy suffer the same fate as Carr has the past few years, but here's hoping I'm wrong . . .
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
OK, good points but they're all flawed based on one simple fact: we just don't have enough information.1) Do you expect coaches to speak badly of players? There were plenty about Orlovsky benig great, Gradkowski in TB, Manning in NYG, Frye in CLE, etc etc etc. Seriously, must I go on? Still, there are definitely examples of coaches talking up their players and they are in fact gems. Hass may have been one, Tony Romo, and I'm sure that there are many many more.
2) NE banged up + 1 week to prepare for a compeltely different ATL offense without Vick. Things change pretty quickly without him around and a decent QB could exploit that. Regardless, it is 1 game dude. I don't want to base my franchise off of one game performance. Like you said, Volek, Garrett, Fitz, how about Koy Detmer? AJ Feeley? IMO they all looked good and yes, not much worse than if not equal to Schaub.
3) League hype isn't enough either. Miami liked Harrington, Feeley and Culpepper. Denver liked Clarrett. HOU liked Carr. The list goes on.
While I think there is *potential*, we simply haven't seen enough to really trust he can be a #1 QB. I don't think hes prime for bust status, but I certainly don't think hes secure for a starting job in the next 2 years.
twistd
Footballguy
When you look at back up QBs who were sought after the ones that come to mind for me are Delhomme and Scott Mitchell. They are obviously the two extremes, but you are right in that the NFL consensus has been that Schaub has the potential to be a solid starter. I think that Schaub could definitely be a Delhomme type player. That is a huge improvement for the Texans.
The two most impressive things about Schaub in that game had nothing to do with the secondary being banged up:1) taking big hits and hanging in the pocket to make the throw - the pressure did not rattle him one bit2) naturally putting the ball where only his receiver could make a playOnce again, we are not citing his stat line as what to take away from that game, we are citing what he actually did on the field. Once again, please go back and watch Volek when he was on his run in 2004. Just like many people around the league thought Schaub was possible starter material, many people around the league were unconvinced that Volek would ever amount to anything. The only thing Volek displayed in those games to hang his hat on was the ability to throw a good 50/50 ball (ok im being harsh, but many of us warned everyone off of Volek because the dude has ZERO pocket presence, and that was still obvious during his run in 04)
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
See Matt Hasselbeck or Mark Brunell
LHUCKS
Footballguy
A couple of things to consider other than his limited game time action:
1) His coaching staff and teammates from years past have stated he's looked awesome in practice
2) He was highly regarded coming out of college
3) Players like him as a leader
Mix that in with looking pretty good in his limited action and you end up with some fairly high expectations.
Nobody knows for sure if he's an improvement over Carr, but a lot of people would bet on it including the Texans.
1) His coaching staff and teammates from years past have stated he's looked awesome in practice
2) He was highly regarded coming out of college
3) Players like him as a leader
Mix that in with looking pretty good in his limited action and you end up with some fairly high expectations.
Nobody knows for sure if he's an improvement over Carr, but a lot of people would bet on it including the Texans.
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When they got 6 starters from 6 rounds and one was the DROY?
coolnerd
Footballguy
Actually, Houston had an excellent 2006 draft. Defensive rookie of the year, a starting TE, a starting ORT and a starting OLT (if he return from injury). Ok there was the first pick thing...Honestly, because Houston has not won or even really came close to being a playoff team, they are not given the benefit of the doubt. It is quite easy for people just pile on the decision because it is Houston. I don't know who flippant you meant the statement, but seriously we all know that if some other franchises made exact same move that the blowhards would be jumping over each other to praise how the team was agrressive in getting the best young QB prospect in the NFL. Houston has earned its lack of trust. I would argue that it is about 60/40 anti-trade even among its fans who don't trust the organization either.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Fans are generally slaves to game stats, while those connected to the game look at exactly the kinds of things you are talking about. They evaluate the way a player makes decisions, how he handles pressure, his mechanics, arm strength, leadership ability, etc. I'm just a fan, but I'm going to have at least some faith that guys like Alex Gibbs and Gary Kubiak know what they are looking at and have a reason to like it. Could he still be a bust? Of course, but that can be said of any new starter. Every bust and every All Pro was a new starter at some point.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I remember the game against Schaub. It's true the Patriots had scrubs playing in the secondary, but I still remember being impressed with Schaub.
Harrison, Wilson, etc. were hurt but he still went up against Bill Belichick, a guy who is known for putting the right pieces in place and is especially adept at confusing quarterbacks. Schaub still handled the pressured and made the throws and had a great game, and that is impressive regardless of who was lining up in the secondary.
Harrison, Wilson, etc. were hurt but he still went up against Bill Belichick, a guy who is known for putting the right pieces in place and is especially adept at confusing quarterbacks. Schaub still handled the pressured and made the throws and had a great game, and that is impressive regardless of who was lining up in the secondary.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
My point in all of this is whether Schaub went 0 for 26 or 24 for 26 with 500 yards in that game it was exactly that . . . ONE GAME. IMO, what players/coaches/scouts are saying about him have way more value than how he did in a single isolated game with very little other action to talk about.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
People who think that Schaub is/was being evaluated on just a couple of games are 
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I agree that the track record Schaub has built up in practices is more important than that ONE GAME, but that ONE GAME demonstrated that what was observed about him in practice does carry over to the field. Since you cited "what players/coaches/scouts are saying about him" as having value, does that count as something he's done (as in, he had do something for those people to say good things about him), because I am wondering where you are at on this question you asked above:
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prymetyme25
Footballguy
I was thinking about Favre too. Green bay seemed to have done the same thing and worked out pretty good for them.
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I believe the Texans are extrapolating what he does well to the offense they intend to run.
Even though he lost both games he started, he was a much better passer than Vick. He made the WR's they have look alot better. Then again, it isn't hard to look better at passing the ball if you are being compared to Vick.
Houston basically paid two 2nd round picks and a bunch of money so that they hit the ground running, rather than have a huge learning curve with a rookie QB. Too bad they didn't listen to the fans last year that were clamoring for Vince Young. Young was a hometown guy with a winning record, a national championship and off the charts measurables.
For better or worse, Houston ruined Carr by putting him behind a line that would be better at bullfighting. Carr is not the same QB they drafted. He now has to unlearn bad habits that have been ingrained by several years of leading the league in sacks taken. We'll see if Houston drafts several offensive linemen, or decides to repeat the mistakes of the past.
Even though he lost both games he started, he was a much better passer than Vick. He made the WR's they have look alot better. Then again, it isn't hard to look better at passing the ball if you are being compared to Vick.
Houston basically paid two 2nd round picks and a bunch of money so that they hit the ground running, rather than have a huge learning curve with a rookie QB. Too bad they didn't listen to the fans last year that were clamoring for Vince Young. Young was a hometown guy with a winning record, a national championship and off the charts measurables.
For better or worse, Houston ruined Carr by putting him behind a line that would be better at bullfighting. Carr is not the same QB they drafted. He now has to unlearn bad habits that have been ingrained by several years of leading the league in sacks taken. We'll see if Houston drafts several offensive linemen, or decides to repeat the mistakes of the past.
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Sidewinder
Footballguy
Groh and Musgrave are probably just a bit biased
Like several have already stated, the evaluation goes far beyond a couple of games. One interesting thing is, he was actually as highly (if not more so) regarded as Rivers during 2002 (their junior years, Schaub at UVa, Rivers at NC State). It wasn't until his senior year where Rivers' value really took off, and Schaub's fell some due to some inconsistent play and nagging injuries in his senior year. Does that factor into the equation now, nearly 4 years later ? Probably not much, but perhaps some.For anyone who cares:2002 stats (both junior years at competing ACC schools):Schaub: 288-418, 2976 yds, 28 TDs, 7 Ints (and 2 rush TDs)Rivers: 262-418, 3352 yds, 20 TDs, 10 Ints (plus 10 rush TDs)
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
fla\/\/ed argument right there. 1 game still doens't show if coaches knew what they were talking about or not. Might give us islightly more reason to believe it, but we don't know. C'mon dude. Colston was a guy that was really hyped in camp. If he has one or two games of decent-ness now he can start right away? For any team?
There is hardly enough information to beleive he could start for many teams, or that he is an upgrade over Carr. Carr was an extremely great prospect, like Ryan Leaf.
7 games into Carr's career he posted these 5 games:
145/2/1
188/2/2
218/1/0
267/1/0
184/1/0
That along with #1 pick along wtih being part of the Texans didn't make you think he'd be better than Schaub? And now Schaub is going to be better?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
And the Jets acquired Patrick Ramsey. I'm sure we can come up with plenty of back up QBs that switched teams and had success (Favre, Young, Hasselbeck, Delhomme) and some that did not (AJ Feeley, Kelly Holcomb, Kent Graham, etc.). Bottom line is, none of those matter anyway as Schaub will do whatever he will do and all the other QBs that switched teams will have no bearing on how he fares in Houston.
The biggest thing being overlooked in the trade right now is what were the Texans options for QB? Carr was done in Houston, no matter what this year, he'll either be traded or cut. So what replacement options do they have?They were interested in Garcia but didn't want to pay the kind of money that Tampa did to a 37 year old QB. It was widely speculated they were interested in Plummer and whether they were or not, he has now decided to retire. Both Quinn and Russell would command spending a 1st round pick (if not more, since it's quite possible neither would last to #8). So instead of giving up the 8th pick (1,400 draft points), they swap 1sts (100 points) and gave up a 2nd this year (500 points), and a 2nd next year (420 points at the middle of the round, or if we discount it by 1 round, only 190 points.)Andy Dufresne said:He's started two more games than JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn have.
Then there's the matter of actually having been in the league learning for three years. But I'm not sure that counts for much -
I can see how he reminds people of David Carr as they physical tools match up pretty equally. But David Carr acts like the football has been super glued to his hand. Carr's style reminds me more of Carson Palmer.
The big questions would be: would it have been better to suffer thru Carr for another season and get a QB then (from a PR standpoint probably unacceptable)? Or would any of their 2nd round options have been better (possibly Kolb or Stanton?)
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
It's not about looking at the Pats game and saying Schaub will be a great quarterback - I think it's valuable to actually watch a player play in a game situation. Obviously one cannot extrapolate an entire career expectation from one game, but isn't it worth discussing the few times the guy has seen starting action?
I'm not a huge Schaub fan like others - I think he has a decent chance to be the next Jake Delhomme. But all I'm saying is I remember being impressed with him in that one game. I don't see how you could object to using this as evidence when talking about what kind of player he could be.
I'm not a huge Schaub fan like others - I think he has a decent chance to be the next Jake Delhomme. But all I'm saying is I remember being impressed with him in that one game. I don't see how you could object to using this as evidence when talking about what kind of player he could be.
BoneYardDog
Footballguy
You also cannot live or die by these "experts" they also passed on Vince Young and Reggie Bush with the #1 for Mario "freaking" Williams... Sometimes you cannot see the forest for the trees and situations can be over-analyzed...
Fixed:They are cluelessPeople who think that Schaub is/was being evaluated on just a couple of games are
Sidewinder
Footballguy
He was ?
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
you can be convinced however you want. However, I think you need a lot more than one game to extrapolate into a completely different situation (starter, different team, etc).David Garrard looked ridiculously impressive first 1 or 2 games. Not so much after that. AJ Feely looked great for the Eagles, not so much after that. Tommy Maddux, etc.Tell me guys you've seen play 2 games, were impressed with, then went on the next year to be a starter on a different team and be successful.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
Yes, pretty highly.He was ?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I feel like my posts are not even being read. This is what I see going on a lot in this thread and in the discussion about Schaub in general.
Tell me guys you've seen play 2 games, were impressed with, then went on the next year to be a starter on a different team and be successful.
PERSON A says: "The Texans traded for Schaub. This is a good move for them."
PERSON B responds: "Why does everyone here think Schaub is the next Dan Marino?"
Another example.
PERSON A says: "I remember Schaub against the Pats, and I remember being impressed with how he played."
PERSON B responds: "You can't just conclude that he's going to be a good quarterback from one game."
I don't really feel inclined to defense positions that I never claimed to have in the first place. All I said was he played against a good defense ran by Bill Belichick and I was impressed by that game.
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Sidewinder
Footballguy
Would love to see the threads. They must have been removed because I searched and couldn't find any...Yes, pretty highly.He was ?
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
While I'm not claiming anyone is sayinghes the next Marino, I think its a little quick to assume this is even an upgrade. Thats my point.I feel like my posts are not even being read. This is what I see going on a lot in this thread and in the discussion about Schaub in general.you can be convinced however you want. However, I think you need a lot more than one game to extrapolate into a completely different situation (starter, different team, etc).David Garrard looked ridiculously impressive first 1 or 2 games. Not so much after that. AJ Feely looked great for the Eagles, not so much after that. Tommy Maddux, etc.
Tell me guys you've seen play 2 games, were impressed with, then went on the next year to be a starter on a different team and be successful.
PERSON A says: "The Texans traded for Schaub. This is a good move for them."
PERSON B responds: "Why does everyone here think Schaub is the next Dan Marino?"
Valid point, I acknowledge that. You can be impressed all you want. I didn't see the game, but I'll assume he was impressive as you say. I'm just saying that while he looked impressive, I'm not convinced its an upgrade for them.Lighten up man, nobody is out here to get you. Even if the Jets lose.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I wasn't speaking about just you, especially in the first example, but rather talking about an overall dynamic that is going on in the Schaub discussion. I think it's a case of when the pendulum swings, it swings too far. I don't think anyone has expressed overwhelming optimism about Schaub being a top tier QB or anything, yet I think pepole are reacting to the Schaub-supporters as if they were saying that.I can't say for sure that Schaub will be an upgrade in Houston over Carr because I'm not sure how much of the lack of success there was Carr's fault - but I think it's pretty clear that Carr is not going to be the guy there who takes them to the next level, so maybe Schaub is, AND, like I said, in the one game I've seen him play, I thought he played very well.While I'm not claiming anyone is sayinghes the next Marino, I think its a little quick to assume this is even an upgrade. Thats my point.I feel like my posts are not even being read. This is what I see going on a lot in this thread and in the discussion about Schaub in general.
Tell me guys you've seen play 2 games, were impressed with, then went on the next year to be a starter on a different team and be successful.
PERSON A says: "The Texans traded for Schaub. This is a good move for them."
PERSON B responds: "Why does everyone here think Schaub is the next Dan Marino?"Valid point, I acknowledge that. You can be impressed all you want. I didn't see the game, but I'll assume he was impressive as you say. I'm just saying that while he looked impressive, I'm not convinced its an upgrade for them.Lighten up man, nobody is out here to get you. Even if the Jets lose.
Also I'm not a Jets fan.
rhawkins68
Footballguy
Good info and I agree completly.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
uh, here we go:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=262593&hl=Would love to see the threads. They must have been removed because I searched and couldn't find any...Yes, pretty highly.He was ?
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=265898&hl=
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=263138&hl=
There is tons of info, this was a very quick search I did. Many threads talked about him before season started.
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