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That is a bargain..tons of faith was giving Vick 110 million!
That's a very reasonable contract and if doesn't work out the Texans don't lose much.
In the Lion's case, Scott Mitchell.
All kidding aside, I'm not comparing Schaub to Mitchell other than the path they are taking to land a fat contract and a starting gig without doing very much on the field to necessarily justify it.From the Texans' perspective, Bloom nailed it. Less risk, less financial outlay and the only thing they lose if it doesn't pan out is ... time.
The bolded part is the section that I don't quite get. Schaub will get on average about a $1 million more per year than Carr would cost. And they have to eat the salary cap hit for dumping Carr. I don't see where acquiring Schaub "frees up" any money (cash or salary cap wise). I suppose it saves money compared to paying out a huge bonus for a rookie, but that was not the only choice they had.
I agree, I don't see it as a money-saving move but as a team-improving move. Their choices were paying a high price for Russell/Brady, developing a 2nd round pick like Stanton or Edwards, or signing an over the hill QB like Garcia - none of which I see as great options. Maybe this move doesn't work out but it makes financial sense and gives the Texans at least a chance of doing well this season and finding a franchise QB.
What other choices did they have?
Meaning what?
I completely disagree with both bolded statements. They didn't need to go out and get Schaub. They needed to get rid of Carr. They could have very easily gone into the year with Rosenfelds, some other experienced backup and a QB they drafted in the second round or later. Sage has proven just about as much as Schaub has - which is exactly nothing. But in Sage's favor he was already on the roster, knew the system, and signed for little money. Which brings me to the second point, the Texans won't be players in next years FA market. Instead they've made their cap issues worse. They'll probably wind up cutting Carr after June 1, meaning both he and Schaub will be on the cap in '08.
Why do you think Schaub is less mobile. He looked pretty mobile to me when I watched him. Maybe he is not mobile compared to Vick, but I think Schaub is probably still above average in that department.
He hasn't put up great numbers, he'll be 26 when the season starts and he has very little game experience, he has never led his NFL team to a win, he was on a team that doesn't seem to groom passers very well, has had to learn multiple NFL systems as a backup and won't be using any of them in Houston, and he comes from a weak college program where he redshirted, sat most of his freshman year, split time in his sophomore year, had a great junior year in a weak conference, then got hurt and missed part of his senior year. For this, Houston trades two seconds and a chance at a stud player, then gives him a $48 million contract? I can understand scouts thinking he's a reasonable prospect, but between the contract and the trade they're paying for him as if he were a can't miss.
Carr isn't in Vick's or VY's territory, but he's certainly at the top of the next level of mobile QBs. He's got very good mobility and is well above average.
Would like to see an answer to this. I posted this in one of the other threads but it holds true in this one and I didn't even discuss $ terms were Shaub is much cheaper than drafting a 1st rounder:
There's not much else out there in FA right now: Brooks? Bledsoe? Collins?!?!
So the Texans would have essentially been drafting a QB with an early pick this year, while giving themselves less an opportunity to win now. Essentailly the 2008 draft pick is the "cost" for not having to wait two or three years for the developmental QB to be Matt Schaub, a QB ready for a real shot at starting. No doubt, it is a gamble, but so is hoping that Sage holds down the fort while you figure if the drafted QB is even as promising as Schaub.
Dude, you obviously don't know much about our cap. We are in trouble this year because there is $15M tied up in dead money from Capers/Casserly players cut last year and another $5M in Dom Davis(Williams) who will either restructure or be cut outright. Andre Johnson was originally the highest cap number on the team and has already restructured and been extended at lower cap amounts. Combine that with a likely 10% increase in the cap next year and the Texans will be fine.
I dont claim to know more than the Texans' people about this, and the word out their camp is that it was going to take another year atleast before they were able to repair the cap situation. Fixing cap problems doesn't happen overnight.
Just dont see how Schaub is that much better than Sage, or has proven worth the price they paid for him. Consider that they could have had Plummer for at most a 3rd. A guy with flaws, but a guy that has posted a fairly good record in this league.
That's what coaches, GMs, and scouts are paid to evaluate. they have worked directly with Sage and should have some idea of what they think his best role in the NFL is. Basically, the million $ jobs of Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak are significantly tied as to whether they make the correct decisions. We fans are not working with the same amount and type of information. We may or may not see something correctly, but our jobs are not the ones on the line. All realistic options for the Texans were risky and have fair concerns: In order for the Texans to improve at QB these were the options1) hope that Carr improved in a 6th year as Qb. 2) hope Sage holds the fort and draft a rookie to develop3) hope that Schaub is a legitiamte NFL costing picks and $$$ to do so. 4) draft a rookie in the first round again.
I can only assume that Houston liked a couple guys who were expected to be drafted in the 8-12 range, and wasn't enamored with the guys who might "slip" to them. Then they're basically getting the same thing from their first round pick (and actually paying him a little less). So it's basically two seconds for Schaub. And then, the second next year is really worth a third this year in the win-now NFL, so this is basically a second and a third for Schaub. But it still seems like a lot for a guy who is completely unproven, especially since they're going to be paying him like a one year veteran or a long term starter.
...Darren McFadden
This is the argument I hate. Vick's been sacked a good number of times, and he's the most mobile of 'em all. Randall Cunningham was sacked a ton in Philly. Meanwhile, Dan Marino couldn't run a lick. Neither can Peyton Manning. Manning's OL was arguably the league's worst the season before he got there; two seasons later I believe the Colts were 13-3 and gave up a low number of sacks. You can argue about how good an offensive line is, for sure, but it's only part of the equation. Just because a guy can run doesn't make him a better QB or less likely to be sacked when you look at overall sack numbers. What a QB really needs is POCKET PRESENCE and POISE. Manning's not sacked as much as a guy like Vick because he knows what the hell he is doing back there. He's decisive and gets rid of the ball quickly. Carr has absolutely no pocket presence and he's not poised at all now. That makes him pretty horrible and ineffective (how and why he got that way is another debate). Carr is to the point where he either dumps it to the RB really quick or takes off running to his right. I've seen entire games likes this. I haven't really watched Schaub much, but if he has pocket presence and poise he's going to make the OL look a lot better. He'll also be a helluva lot better QB than Carr, despite not being as mobile...
6-10 last year buddy, a 2 game improvement isn't such a leap. We've now added a starting caliber RB, a QB who at worst is no worse than Carr, and likely another impact player on the defense with the #10 pick.What have we lost? Eric Moulds?!?!
Buckna= On the money.
One of the few predictions I got right, but still, I couldn't wait to bump this one all season.
The answer is very simple. Make a list of the 10 best QBs in the NFL. How many of them have seen significant action starting for two different franchises? If you want a good QB, you generally have to draft him, outside of the rare instances where you steal away a promising backup entrenched behind a franchise player at QB. Even if the bust rate is high and the financial cost is severe, drafting QBs high is pretty much the only way you even have a SHOT at a franchise QB, and since teams need a franchise QB to be competitive year in and year out, teams will continue to draft QBs high.
(Really like what I saw of Schaub. I do believe he'll be one of the top 10 QB's by the end of 2008. Not to mention they probably the best 'backup' QB in the league right now in Sage).
I may frame that post. 
