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Vincent Jackson's '07 Reception Total (1 Viewer)
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Only one time has he caught more than 3 passes
in one game during his career.
Is is still a prospect at this point.
51-60
in one game during his career.
Is is still a prospect at this point.
51-60
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
not as high as you think, I think he breaks 40
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
He's the #1 in SD...that would be awfully low for a #1 WR.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
#4 passing option though. LT Gates and probably parker get more looks
I wouldn't use previous VJ stats as a basis for future projections; his role will change this year. I think he's only started four games. Next year he will be the #1 WR.Nonetheless, I think a lot of people's projections will be too high. VJ will probably be the third-leading receiver on the team.
I voted 51-60.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
That would seem to be a pretty low range for a Norv Turner #1 WR, granted there are several factors like Gates, LT and Jackson's inexperience.I voted 61-70.
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The Chargers' leading WR last year (running pretty much the same offense they'll run this year) had 48 receptions.Of course, none of the WRs stayed healthy last year.One big advantage VJ will have as a starter is that he'll stay on the field in the red zone. Last year's starters, Parker and McCardell, really only played between the twenties, with Jackson and Floyd coming in near the goal line.So I do expect Jackson to have more receptions in 2007 than the Chargers' leading WR did in 2006 (if he mostly stays healthy). But how many more? I don't know. Rivers spreads the ball around an awful lot. Aside from LT and Gates, Parker and Floyd will get receptions, as will Manumaleuna, and maybe someone like Osgood or Camarillo will start to get looks. And a lot of people expect the Chargers to draft a WR in the first or second round this year . . .
Zoomanji
Footballguy
Do Chargers homers think Parker can play outside of the slot?I don't see it
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Parker is a below average #2...VJ has #1 ability...I don't see it either.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
He'll have more catches than VJax in 2007
On The Rocks
Footballguy
i guess that means i guessed wrong. BostonSportsGuy
Footballguy
Great note from Wikipedia about Jackson:
In a 2006 game against the Oakland Raiders, Jackson nearly made one of the most bizarre turnovers in recent NFL history. After making a 13 yard catch on fourth down, Jackson immediately got up and spun the ball forward in celebration. Because Jackson had fallen on his own and was not tackled, Raiders cornerback Fabian Washington believed it to be a fumble and leapt upon the ball. Possession was originally awarded to Oakland, but the Chargers were then flagged for an illegal forward pass and allowed to keep the ball.
On that note, I vote <40.
In a 2006 game against the Oakland Raiders, Jackson nearly made one of the most bizarre turnovers in recent NFL history. After making a 13 yard catch on fourth down, Jackson immediately got up and spun the ball forward in celebration. Because Jackson had fallen on his own and was not tackled, Raiders cornerback Fabian Washington believed it to be a fumble and leapt upon the ball. Possession was originally awarded to Oakland, but the Chargers were then flagged for an illegal forward pass and allowed to keep the ball.
On that note, I vote <40.
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FFCardsFan
Footballguy
Vincent Jackson meet Plaxico Burress
*watching the games* Eric Parker recieved alot of targets from Rivers last season. Week 15-16-17 VJappeared to get alot more targets, but Parker still had plenty of good looks. *memory*
Charger's leading pass-catchers '07 (not citing positions other than wr is a mistake any way you cut it):
71 rec - Antho Gates
56 rec - LT
48 rec - Parker
27 rec - VJ
chargers qbs comps-attempts last 3 seasons
'07: 284-460 Rivers
'06: 323-500 Brees
'05: 262-400 Brees
Its safe to say 250-275 completions is a conservative '08 completion range. The ball gets around.
Parkers receptions last 3 seasons
48
57
47
Putting Parker in the 41-50 range.
LT is a 50 rec guy minimum.
Gates and Rivers never really found any chemistry until later in the season.
I voted for 51-60. Looking at the numbers couple with guarded optimism makes me believe 61-70 is not a strectch by any means.
But its not only about statistics. VJ is clearly a redzone target(watch the games). VJ was a primary reciever in the red zone packages. Ask Keenan he knows. He was constantly pulled off the field for VJ. And VJ is a respecatable blocker.
Being a redzone target will help your production fantasy-wise.
Who would you rather have a player with 75-80 receptions 3-6 TDs or 60-65 rec 8-10 TDs?
I take the player who get more redzone targets. VJ can be this guy.
Answer: Vincent Jackson.
Charger's leading pass-catchers '07 (not citing positions other than wr is a mistake any way you cut it):
71 rec - Antho Gates
56 rec - LT
48 rec - Parker
27 rec - VJ
chargers qbs comps-attempts last 3 seasons
'07: 284-460 Rivers
'06: 323-500 Brees
'05: 262-400 Brees
Its safe to say 250-275 completions is a conservative '08 completion range. The ball gets around.
Parkers receptions last 3 seasons
48
57
47
Putting Parker in the 41-50 range.
LT is a 50 rec guy minimum.
Gates and Rivers never really found any chemistry until later in the season.
I voted for 51-60. Looking at the numbers couple with guarded optimism makes me believe 61-70 is not a strectch by any means.
But its not only about statistics. VJ is clearly a redzone target(watch the games). VJ was a primary reciever in the red zone packages. Ask Keenan he knows. He was constantly pulled off the field for VJ. And VJ is a respecatable blocker.
Being a redzone target will help your production fantasy-wise.
Who would you rather have a player with 75-80 receptions 3-6 TDs or 60-65 rec 8-10 TDs?
I take the player who get more redzone targets. VJ can be this guy.
Answer: Vincent Jackson.
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Chunky Soup
Footballguy
No Schotty = much better shot at higher catches. It has to help somewhat
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Other than that fiasco of a playoff game, Parker was a very solid receiver when healthy last year.
phillyfan72
Footballguy
I really like VJax, but WR's in SD aren't gonna catch a lot of balls like on other teams. LT will catch his 70 receptions, Gates get at least 60, I like VJ to get between 50 and 60. Parker drops to about 30-40.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
My initial "guesstimate" was 70-75 max (between 4 and 5 a game) as he's the #1 WR.
After looking at 2006's game logs, I don't see many games where the #1 WR got much beyond 5.
2006 SD Game Logs
Weeks 1-5: 1
, 5, BYE, 4, 5
Weeks 6-9: 7 (WR2 had 6), 4, 4, 5 (WR2 5)
Weeks 10-13: 5, 4, 4, 3
Weeks 14-17: 3, 3, 5, 5
WR1 was marginal, WR2 barely there.
So with no marked improvement in passing, the #1 WR each week would give you 66 catches.
I'll revise my guess to about 60 catches.
After looking at 2006's game logs, I don't see many games where the #1 WR got much beyond 5.
2006 SD Game Logs
Weeks 1-5: 1
, 5, BYE, 4, 5Weeks 6-9: 7 (WR2 had 6), 4, 4, 5 (WR2 5)
Weeks 10-13: 5, 4, 4, 3
Weeks 14-17: 3, 3, 5, 5
WR1 was marginal, WR2 barely there.
So with no marked improvement in passing, the #1 WR each week would give you 66 catches.
I'll revise my guess to about 60 catches.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
This may be a chicken vs egg argument but don't LT (and Westbrook for that matter) catch so many passes because the WRs are no good?If a WR like VJ looks good maybe they throw less to LT?
In the Chargers' case, it depends on the year. In 2003, the Chargers ran a ton of screen passes, where Tomlinson was getting the ball regardless of anyone else's ability to get open.Last year, not so much. Tomlinson got the ball when the defense didn't adequately cover him. But he wasn't often the primary receiver.
McCardell and Parker did often have trouble getting open last year. And Tomlinson got a number of catches as the check-down receiver as a result.
If Vincent Jackson can get open better than McCardell did, it could mean fewer catches for Tomlinson.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
why are we looking at last year's numbers? I recall SD getting a completely new coach and offense.My initial "guesstimate" was 70-75 max (between 4 and 5 a game) as he's the #1 WR.
After looking at 2006's game logs, I don't see many games where the #1 WR got much beyond 5.
2006 SD Game Logs
Weeks 1-5: 1, 5, BYE, 4, 5
Weeks 6-9: 7 (WR2 had 6), 4, 4, 5 (WR2 5)
Weeks 10-13: 5, 4, 4, 3
Weeks 14-17: 3, 3, 5, 5
WR1 was marginal, WR2 barely there.
So with no marked improvement in passing, the #1 WR each week would give you 66 catches.
I'll revise my guess to about 60 catches.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Norv Turner doesn't throw to his backs as much as cameron...I'm not sure why everybody is dwelling in the past...you'd all be better off looking at what Norv Turner does, not what Schottenheimer/Cameron did.
It's really the same offense. The Chargers have been running Norv Turner's offense since Norv installed it back in 2001. Cam made a few adjustments here and there, but it'll basically be the same offense. That was a major reason they hired Norv: continuity. (Norv was the Chargers' offensive coordinator in 2001. Cam Cameron had had previously served as QB coach under Norv with the Redskins, and when Cam took over as the Chargers' OC in 2002, he kept Norv's system in place. It's still in place.)
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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I'm not getting the Eric Parker hate.
Parker had the best yards/target ratio of all of them. Parker also has 9.2 Y/T ratio for his career.
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G T R Y Y/T Y/R R/T TDEric Parker 15 70 48 659 9.4 13.7 0.69 0Keenan McCardell 14 51 36 437 8.6 12.1 0.71 0Vincent Jackson 16 56 27 453 8.1 16.8 0.48 6Malcom Floyd 12 32 15 210 6.6 14.0 0.47 3
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Parker is generally clutch, but he had a number of bad drops last year, including several in the playoff loss to the Patriots.
In any event, he is really not a WR1. Ideally he'd operate out the slot, although he can be okay as the WR2.
In any event, he is really not a WR1. Ideally he'd operate out the slot, although he can be okay as the WR2.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
my previous posts down?Besides a horrible playoff game E.parker was their best WR last year. Vjax is still very very raw.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
http://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/players...5&Submit=Gohttp://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/players...7&Submit=Go
http://snap.stats.com/snap/pfw/nfl/players...4&Submit=Go
Really all the Chargers WRs were surehanded last year, but Parker had the fewest drops/target.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
thats the only reason they hired Norv. Not because he's a great coach, but because it's his system and for offensive cohesion. The team is so close to a title and totally starting over with a new system would be silly.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
From what I've read Parker prides himself on not dropping the ball. He supposedly rarely drops anything in practices.
Bad stats. It says just two drops, but he had two bad drops against Buffalo alone. He also had bad drops against the Steelers and Rams . . . and several against the Patriots (in addition to a muffed punt).
He generally has very good hands, but 2006 wasn't a great year for him in terms of drops.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Thanks.We all know that target/drop data tends to be hit or miss. I don't use that website too often, but I do use it when I want to find drop data. I'm almost positive the Patriots game wasn't included because it was in the post-season, but four is still not two. I guess I'll start putting a little less emphasis on that site.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
3rd option at the very best. I want to see him get consistent seperation. I'm not entirely sure what makes him the annointed "#1 WR" over Parker. If we're getting nit picky, they don't have a #1 WR (if you're excluding Gates from being a WR in a TE position).
I'd consider it a solid year if he broke 50 receptions for the season.
I'd consider it a solid year if he broke 50 receptions for the season.
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"[AJ] Smith and others in the organization have anointed Vincent Jackson as the new No. 1 receiver." (link)
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
What does this even mean?
