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The "Hasty Pudding" mock draft (1 Viewer)

Andy Dufresne

Andy Dufresne

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Hasty Pudding because I was a bit hasty in pudding it together. :no: Thank you, I'll be here...well I'll be back Monday.

Let's get caught up and speculate a bit. This takes into account the Schaub trade, the free agent moves (and non-moves such as Moss still in Oakland) and where players seem to be rising/falling. I still struggle with the teams at the bottom of the round because they, by default, have few glaring needs.

I'll comment as people pile on.

1. Oakland - Brady Quinn

Moss is still there and I still think Quinn is the #1 QB.

2. Detroit - Gaines Adams

I swapped Adams for Anderson since Jamaal hasn't looked all that good recently.

3. Cleveland - Jamarcus Russell

4. Tampa - Calvin Johnson (Atlanta gives the 1.08 and 2.12)

Too bad Atlanta can't move to this spot. The numbers match up on the pick value chart. But Tampa won't trade him to a division rival.

5. Arizona - Joe Thomas

6. Buffalo - Adrian Peterson (Buffalo gives the 1.12 and 2.11)

Another one that seems a no-brainer. Washington needs the picks and Peterson would be a stud in Buffalo.

7. Minnesota - Jamaal Anderson

8. Atlanta - Laron Landry

May not be the slam-dunk a lot think it is as they may move Jimmy Williams to safety. In that case, this pick is probably a corner.

9. Miami - Leon Hall

10. Houston - Amobi Okoye

11. San Francisco - Patrick Willis

12. Washington - Alan Branch

He's slipped a bit and Washington moves down yet still gets a guy that fills a big need.

13. St. Louis - Adam Carriker

Can play either DE or DT for a team that needs both.

14. Carolina - Reggie Nelson

Makes far too much sense now that I look at it.

15. Pittsburgh - Lawrence Timmons

Can play in either the 3-4 or 4-3, so he helps in the transition to the latter.

16. Green Bay - Marshawn Lynch

17. Jacksonville - Ted Ginn

18. Cincinnati - Darrelle Revis

19. Tennessee - Chris Houston

Insert another quarter (or twenny) Pac Man.

20. New York Giants - Levi Brown

21. Denver - Charles Johnson

22. Dallas - Aaron Ross

23. Kansas City - Dwayne Bowe

24. New England (from Seattle) - Michael Griffin

25. New York Jets - Greg Olsen

26. Philadelphia - Brandon Meriweather

27. New Orleans - Justin Harrell

28. New England - Paul Poszlusny

29. Baltimore - Joe Staley

30. San Diego - Eric Weddle

A slight reach, but he adds multi-dimensional talent to the d-backfield

31. Chicago - Robert Meachem

32. Indianapolis - Demarcus Tyler

 
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While I'd love it, I don't see Meachum falling to the Bears. Also don't see Weddle going in the first. Love the trade speculations.

 
I don't see it in many mocks, but Branch to Cleveland seems like a match made in heaven. I don't think the Browns know what they have at QB since he played behind that awful line last year.

Washington is 38, they need to find his replacement NOW. Their LB corp looks solid with a couple of good picks last year. McGinest provides the leadership for the young guys, but up front they got no help last year. Some solid help on the line would improve the defense a lot.

 
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While I'd love it, I don't see Meachum falling to the Bears. Also don't see Weddle going in the first. Love the trade speculations.
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Meachem is a player that can go anywhere between 15-32. :goodposting:I agree with Weddle being a reach, but safety is the only glaring need for the Chargers. And projecting a WR to them all the time gets boring.
 
The Duff Man said:
I don't see it in many mocks, but Branch to Cleveland seems like a match made in heaven. I don't think the Browns know what they have at QB since he played behind that awful line last year.Washington is 38, they need to find his replacement NOW. Their LB corp looks solid with a couple of good picks last year. McGinest provides the leadership for the young guys, but up front they got no help last year. Some solid help on the line would improve the defense a lot.
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He could really help. But he's not going at the #3 overall.
 
I don't get where all the Jarvis Moss love comes from.

Also, the Vikings have been linked to Laron Landry. While I would welcome it, they still have Sharper & Dwight Smith to go along with Tank Williams and Greg Blue. I just don't think the Vikes feel they need to fill that spot with a #7 overall.

 
Would SF take Willis with Branch still on the board? SF would like to move to a 3-4 but a big obstacle to that plan is lack of a big space eating NT. I know they signed Baltimore's backup NT as a free agent, but my impression is that Branch is the best player of this type available in this years draft. Am I wrong there?

 
commisholio said:
Would SF take Willis with Branch still on the board? SF would like to move to a 3-4 but a big obstacle to that plan is lack of a big space eating NT. I know they signed Baltimore's backup NT as a free agent, but my impression is that Branch is the best player of this type available in this years draft. Am I wrong there?
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Both Nolan and Singletary were very impressed with Willis at the senior bowl.It's my opinion that it's easier to find a big body for the middle of a 3-4 line than it is a playmaker LB like Willis.I may be quite wrong though. And Branch wouldn't be a bad pick.
 
commisholio said:
Would SF take Willis with Branch still on the board? SF would like to move to a 3-4 but a big obstacle to that plan is lack of a big space eating NT. I know they signed Baltimore's backup NT as a free agent, but my impression is that Branch is the best player of this type available in this years draft. Am I wrong there?
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I think there may have been a chance of that happening before Willis' pro day. Now, I think it would be hard for them to pass. Actually, and I know people will think I' m nuts, but I could see Miami or Atlanta taking Willis before he gets to SF.
 
Andy...one question about Baltimore's pick. Why would they try and sign Joe Staley, an undersized LT to fill the role of a road-grading RT like Pashos was? It doesn't make a drop of sense to me at all and seems like a terrible pick. While Staley has shown a knack to get the job done despite his rawness at the position but he simply does not have the strength at the point of the attack to power back DE's and linebackers and does not have the bulk to open up lanes for a RB.

What role do you see him having in Baltimore?

 
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Andy...one question about Baltimore's pick. Why would they try and sign Joe Staley, an undersized LT to fill the role of a road-grading RT like Pashos was? It doesn't make a drop of sense to me at all and seems like a terrible pick. While Staley has shown a knack to get the job done despite his rawness at the position but he simply does not have the strength at the point of the attack to power back DE's and linebackers and does not have the bulk to open up lanes for a RB.What role do you see him having in Baltimore?
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I think he's still growing into the position. He was only 220 as a freshman. With the departure of Pashos and the impending retirement of Ogden, I think the versatility of Staley comes into play.I just like him better than Sears or Ugoh. A better pick may be Blalock.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
nshelat1 said:
Andy...one question about Baltimore's pick. Why would they try and sign Joe Staley, an undersized LT to fill the role of a road-grading RT like Pashos was? It doesn't make a drop of sense to me at all and seems like a terrible pick. While Staley has shown a knack to get the job done despite his rawness at the position but he simply does not have the strength at the point of the attack to power back DE's and linebackers and does not have the bulk to open up lanes for a RB.What role do you see him having in Baltimore?
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I think he's still growing into the position. He was only 220 as a freshman. With the departure of Pashos and the impending retirement of Ogden, I think the versatility of Staley comes into play.I just like him better than Sears or Ugoh. A better pick may be Blalock.
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Hmm...well I don't quite see Baltimore as a team who can afford to let staley grow into a position, with such a pressing need at RT. Sure he may be a better LT than both Sears and Ugoh but when you are talking about putting him in as a RT, he would be in a position where he could not utilize his strengths and would be an utter waste of a pick. I think Blalock is a better pick as well. Perhaps even Ugoh.
 
nshelat1 said:
Andy Dufresne said:
nshelat1 said:
Andy...one question about Baltimore's pick. Why would they try and sign Joe Staley, an undersized LT to fill the role of a road-grading RT like Pashos was? It doesn't make a drop of sense to me at all and seems like a terrible pick. While Staley has shown a knack to get the job done despite his rawness at the position but he simply does not have the strength at the point of the attack to power back DE's and linebackers and does not have the bulk to open up lanes for a RB.What role do you see him having in Baltimore?
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I think he's still growing into the position. He was only 220 as a freshman. With the departure of Pashos and the impending retirement of Ogden, I think the versatility of Staley comes into play.I just like him better than Sears or Ugoh. A better pick may be Blalock.
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Hmm...well I don't quite see Baltimore as a team who can afford to let staley grow into a position, with such a pressing need at RT. Sure he may be a better LT than both Sears and Ugoh but when you are talking about putting him in as a RT, he would be in a position where he could not utilize his strengths and would be an utter waste of a pick. I think Blalock is a better pick as well. Perhaps even Ugoh.
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I think I may have been getting ahead of myself and assuming that Ogden will retire and Staley could play LT. :unsure:Perhaps Jonathan Wade, Daymeion Hughes, or Marcus McCauley?
 
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Andy Dufresne said:
nshelat1 said:
Andy Dufresne said:
nshelat1 said:
Andy...one question about Baltimore's pick. Why would they try and sign Joe Staley, an undersized LT to fill the role of a road-grading RT like Pashos was? It doesn't make a drop of sense to me at all and seems like a terrible pick. While Staley has shown a knack to get the job done despite his rawness at the position but he simply does not have the strength at the point of the attack to power back DE's and linebackers and does not have the bulk to open up lanes for a RB.What role do you see him having in Baltimore?
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I think he's still growing into the position. He was only 220 as a freshman. With the departure of Pashos and the impending retirement of Ogden, I think the versatility of Staley comes into play.I just like him better than Sears or Ugoh. A better pick may be Blalock.
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Hmm...well I don't quite see Baltimore as a team who can afford to let staley grow into a position, with such a pressing need at RT. Sure he may be a better LT than both Sears and Ugoh but when you are talking about putting him in as a RT, he would be in a position where he could not utilize his strengths and would be an utter waste of a pick. I think Blalock is a better pick as well. Perhaps even Ugoh.
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I think I may have been getting ahead of myself and assuming that Ogden will retire and Staley could play LT. :confused:Perhaps Jonathan Wade, Daymeion Hughes, or Marcus McCauley?
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No I think RT may very well be the path they take. It seems to be a battle between Blalock and Sears, but many are starting to churn up that Sears bandwagon because of his versatility to swing inside and out. Blalock seems to me to be a true guard. However, a DE might be an option here. Suggs is only signed through this season and Trevor Pryce is getting old. Anthony Spencer would fit in well in this hybrid 3-4 and would be a terror in years to come- that is if they intend to let go of Suggs after this season. As for a CB I would have thought the same but it seems that most homers view samari rolle as adequate- especially in man coverage where he may be beat but the safety help will prevent recievers from breaking a long one.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
27. New Orleans - Justin Harrell
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i watched a lot of the vols games last year. i like harrell a lot but i don't see the saints grabbing him here. with ross and others at CB taken ahead of here, why not mccauley? he has the size-speed ratio that most coaches and GM's salivate over. the saints are thin at the position and given their position in the 1st round it's not stretch for them to grab a borderline r1/2 player...
 
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
27. New Orleans - Justin Harrell
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i watched a lot of the vols games last year. i like harrell a lot but i don't see the saints grabbing him here. with ross and others at CB taken ahead of here, why not mccauley? he has the size-speed ratio that most coaches and GM's salivate over. the saints are thin at the position and given their position in the 1st round it's not stretch for them to grab a borderline r1/2 player...
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while his intangibles are great, the tape on him shows an unmotivated player who looked lost in coverage and simply had a dismal season. Perhaps the reason his junior year was so good was due to the presence of Richard Marshall on the other side.
 
nshelat1 said:
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
27. New Orleans - Justin Harrell
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i watched a lot of the vols games last year. i like harrell a lot but i don't see the saints grabbing him here. with ross and others at CB taken ahead of here, why not mccauley? he has the size-speed ratio that most coaches and GM's salivate over. the saints are thin at the position and given their position in the 1st round it's not stretch for them to grab a borderline r1/2 player...
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while his intangibles are great, the tape on him shows an unmotivated player who looked lost in coverage and simply had a dismal season. Perhaps the reason his junior year was so good was due to the presence of Richard Marshall on the other side.
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Right. I had his name typed in, but I can't see taking a guy that was benched in the first round. So while CB is the most obvious need, the value just isn't there. 2nd on the list is DT, in my eyes.

 
I do not think Green Bay takes EITHER a RB or WR at #16. If they stay with that pick, I think they will pick a defensive player (best S, CB, or DE/T on the board).

Morency and Herron may be fine, but I think TT sings a RB rather than drafts one. The whole point of the Denver system (blocking and rushing) is to not overspend on a RB.

 
ookook said:
I do not think Green Bay takes EITHER a RB or WR at #16. If they stay with that pick, I think they will pick a defensive player (best S, CB, or DE/T on the board).
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I don't see that at all.
ookook said:
Morency and Herron may be fine, but I think TT sings a RB rather than drafts one. The whole point of the Denver system (blocking and rushing) is to not overspend on a RB.
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Morency & Herron are not fine. And which RB remaining would be a good signing?
 
Andy Dufresne said:
nshelat1 said:
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
27. New Orleans - Justin Harrell
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i watched a lot of the vols games last year. i like harrell a lot but i don't see the saints grabbing him here. with ross and others at CB taken ahead of here, why not mccauley? he has the size-speed ratio that most coaches and GM's salivate over. the saints are thin at the position and given their position in the 1st round it's not stretch for them to grab a borderline r1/2 player...
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while his intangibles are great, the tape on him shows an unmotivated player who looked lost in coverage and simply had a dismal season. Perhaps the reason his junior year was so good was due to the presence of Richard Marshall on the other side.
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Right. I had his name typed in, but I can't see taking a guy that was benched in the first round. So while CB is the most obvious need, the value just isn't there. 2nd on the list is DT, in my eyes.
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credible response. i think mccauley could still crack the 1st because his numbers were so good. he might have looked unmotivated last year but, if he interviews well, the temptation to grab him will be strong.
 
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
nshelat1 said:
saintfool said:
Andy Dufresne said:
27. New Orleans - Justin Harrell
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i watched a lot of the vols games last year. i like harrell a lot but i don't see the saints grabbing him here. with ross and others at CB taken ahead of here, why not mccauley? he has the size-speed ratio that most coaches and GM's salivate over. the saints are thin at the position and given their position in the 1st round it's not stretch for them to grab a borderline r1/2 player...
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while his intangibles are great, the tape on him shows an unmotivated player who looked lost in coverage and simply had a dismal season. Perhaps the reason his junior year was so good was due to the presence of Richard Marshall on the other side.
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Right. I had his name typed in, but I can't see taking a guy that was benched in the first round. So while CB is the most obvious need, the value just isn't there. 2nd on the list is DT, in my eyes.
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credible response. i think mccauley could still crack the 1st because his numbers were so good. he might have looked unmotivated last year but, if he interviews well, the temptation to grab him will be strong.
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sure he might, but that all depends on how many of the other corners are off the board. The Saints run a variation cover-2 correct? If so, your best bet would be to wait for a corner- perhaps Daymeion Hughes or Josh Wilson (who i really like). If I were to go with a DT, I really like Harrell here.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
commisholio said:
Would SF take Willis with Branch still on the board? SF would like to move to a 3-4 but a big obstacle to that plan is lack of a big space eating NT. I know they signed Baltimore's backup NT as a free agent, but my impression is that Branch is the best player of this type available in this years draft. Am I wrong there?
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Both Nolan and Singletary were very impressed with Willis at the senior bowl.It's my opinion that it's easier to find a big body for the middle of a 3-4 line than it is a playmaker LB like Willis.I may be quite wrong though. And Branch wouldn't be a bad pick.
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ILB in the 3-4 is easier to find than NT. On a 3-4 team I could see Willis going before Branch, but a 3-4 team that needs a NT is going to take Branch first.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
ookook said:
I do not think Green Bay takes EITHER a RB or WR at #16. If they stay with that pick, I think they will pick a defensive player (best S, CB, or DE/T on the board).
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I don't see that at all.
ookook said:
Morency and Herron may be fine, but I think TT sings a RB rather than drafts one. The whole point of the Denver system (blocking and rushing) is to not overspend on a RB.
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Morency & Herron are not fine. And which RB remaining would be a good signing?
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There are some solid backs to be had in the 2nd round as well. Only five backs have been taken in the middle third (11-22) of the first round since 2000.Laurence Maroney - 21 (appears to be worth it)William Green 16 - bustT.J. Duckett 18 - bustRon Dayne 11 - bust Shaun Alexander 19 - HOFerNot much of a sample size but it would appear that there really isn't a lot of value in taking a running back in that range. I just don't see it as a value selection there. Marshawn Lynch reminds me of guys like Chris Perry, Kevin Jones, Larry Johnson, Steven Jackson, DeAngelo Williams, and Joseph Addai. Guys that came off the board in the third portion of the round. TT could very well trade back and get Marshawn there. Typically backs that slide past 6 or 7 end up getting picked in the 23-32 range
 
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I don't see the Jets going TE in the first round. Baker isn't anything more than an above average blocker and a slightly below average recieving TE. It's hardly a position of need compared to other positions.

Thomas Jones won't fix the poor rush offense, and given the number of O linemen available here, I could see the Jets going Staley, Ugoh, Blalock or even Sears here. RG Moore is cheap, and that is the only reason he starts. Starting RT Clement, a cast off from such notable powerhouse O lines as SF and AZ tested the FA market in a year where non- pro bowl O linemen wre buying mansions eneded up signing back on with the Jets. Why? Because he isn't a NFL starting caliber lineman. Starting LG Kendall is getting long in the tooth as well.

I'm sure the Jets go CB if one of the top 4 are there, but in your mock they are gone by 25. So, the next big need area that fits with a BPA approach would be Meachem. Coles plays through injuries, but he gets hit... a lot. Two obvious bad cincussions last year, and after Cotchery, there is... Brad Smith? Tim Dwight? McCariens will be cut if they can't find a sucker to give them a sixth rounder for him. Meachem would solve two problems... lack of a deep speed threat, and a #3 WR.

Olsen? The Jets boo birds would raise there ugly heads at the draft once again. I'd be one of them.

 
Rovers said:
I don't see the Jets going TE in the first round. Baker isn't anything more than an above average blocker and a slightly below average recieving TE. It's hardly a position of need compared to other positions.

Thomas Jones won't fix the poor rush offense, and given the number of O linemen available here, I could see the Jets going Staley, Ugoh, Blalock or even Sears here. RG Moore is cheap, and that is the only reason he starts. Starting RT Clement, a cast off from such notable powerhouse O lines as SF and AZ tested the FA market in a year where non- pro bowl O linemen wre buying mansions eneded up signing back on with the Jets. Why? Because he isn't a NFL starting caliber lineman. Starting LG Kendall is getting long in the tooth as well.

I'm sure the Jets go CB if one of the top 4 are there, but in your mock they are gone by 25. So, the next big need area that fits with a BPA approach would be Meachem. Coles plays through injuries, but he gets hit... a lot. Two obvious bad cincussions last year, and after Cotchery, there is... Brad Smith? Tim Dwight? McCariens will be cut if they can't find a sucker to give them a sixth rounder for him. Meachem would solve two problems... lack of a deep speed threat, and a #3 WR.

Olsen? The Jets boo birds would raise there ugly heads at the draft once again. I'd be one of them.
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still don't see Levi Brown falling to,or being taken by, the NY Giants.they don't need to go OL in the first round,they need LB's and DB's.

While a player like Brown might be a nice pick, there simply is no way of dodging the problems at the LB position . and they haven't selected a good CB since Mark Collins, way back when.

this team needs to get better defensively, first, before they go out and grab offensive linemen.

play along with me here, lets say Brown has already been selected before the Giants pick, whom do you think the next player on their Board is?

 
DA RAIDERS said:
brady quinn #1? no way OAK goes qb & it's not russell. it's either russell, CJ or trade down(unlikely)
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I dunno. I don't think the Raiders have shown their hands very much. I don't think the Browns and Lions have either. Going to be an interesting month.
 
As far as the Pats go:

Griffin/S-Love that pick. He's a very good player that also plays a position of need. With Rodney nearing the end, Wilson turning into an enigma, Sanders still a work in progress and Hawkins best suited as a backup safety is an area that needs to be addressed (especially if you factor in the Pats injury luck in the secondary the past three or so years). Griffin is a guy who would help now and later.

Posluszny/OLB-Every year the mocks predict the Pats going LB and it never transpires. Will this be the year they break tradition? If they do the big question is where do they have Vrabel slotted. If it's the outside than PP may not make sense because they'll have Thomas, Vrabel and Colvin there and the inside will need to be addressed. If Vrabel's headed inside than the Pats could go either inside or out and PP would make sense.

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
ookook said:
I do not think Green Bay takes EITHER a RB or WR at #16. If they stay with that pick, I think they will pick a defensive player (best S, CB, or DE/T on the board).
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I don't see that at all.
ookook said:
Morency and Herron may be fine, but I think TT sings a RB rather than drafts one. The whole point of the Denver system (blocking and rushing) is to not overspend on a RB.
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Morency & Herron are not fine. And which RB remaining would be a good signing?
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I agree with ookook. Look for the Pack to go defense.As far as RBs, they'll draft one later, and, just a hunch of course, make a run at trading for Williams or Turner.
 
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As far as RBs, they'll draft one later, and, just a hunch of course, make a run at trading for Williams or Turner.
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The "later" running backs don't look any better than Morency or Herron.Edit: All right. That may be a bit over the top. But they're not that impressive.
 
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Aaronstory said:
As far as RBs, they'll draft one later, and, just a hunch of course, make a run at trading for Williams or Turner.
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The "later" running backs don't look any better than Morency or Herron.Edit: All right. That may be a bit over the top. But they're not that impressive.
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Trust me, I hear you. But you can't fill every hole in one draft, and if there is a much better rated defensive player sitting there, even with a glaring need at RB, Thompson will most likely take him. Serviceable RB's have always been able to be found later in the draft, no matter what the perception of the positions draft class may be. I just don't think Thompson is locked into "I have to solve my RB problem with my first round pick" I think he's looking at trades, and what teams do after the draft. On the other hand, I know the 'Packers are trying to emulate Denver's plug-in-a-back system' gets a lot of play on this board and in the Wisconsin press, but I have yet to see one person affiliated with the Packers say it. I just don't think that's the case. Plus, look how the bottom fell out on Denver last year by sticking with that philosophy too long. For every Terrell Davis there's a Maurice Clarette. All that said, who knows. They may end up trading up to grab Adrian Peterson and make me look like a fool.
 
Andy, sorry if you have already covered this but what are your latest thoughts on Dwayne Jarrett? Where do you see him going now? I think you haven't had him in the 1st in either of your mocks.

 
nygiants56 said:
Andy Dufresne said:
20. New York Giants - Levi Brown
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:banned: :bye: :pickle: not a chance he falls to #20.
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nygiants56 said:
Andy Dufresne said:
Aaronstory said:
As far as RBs, they'll draft one later, and, just a hunch of course, make a run at trading for Williams or Turner.
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The "later" running backs don't look any better than Morency or Herron.Edit: All right. That may be a bit over the top. But they're not that impressive.
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neither is this mock.

:bowtie:
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Uh. You're wrong. People sid several of the tackles last year wouldn't drop but then ended up doing so. (Winston Justice & Marcus McNeil)If he gets by Miami, there's no other team that has a huge need for a LT of Brown's style. Don't say Houston, because he doesn't fit that scheme.

And I'll chock your being so crabby up to posting at 4:00 in the morning on a Saturday night. Must be a bit of :banned: going on here. Go to bed dude.

 
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