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*** Official Michael Turner 2007 offseason thread *** (1 Viewer)

Loco Barlow

Loco Barlow

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Sports radio announced that the Green Bay Packers have expressed interest in trading for Michael Turner. There was talk all afternoon about the possibility, and that it would most likely be a draft day trade. It's apparent Green Bay is in the market for a RB, be it Michael Turner through trade, perhaps Marshawn Lynch via draft. This should get interesting.

 
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Isn't Turner a RFA and can be had by outbidding the Chargers?
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There is still the compensation side of things though. NOt sure what he was tendered at, but something like a 1st rounder which would also need to be sent to the Chargers. The Chargers can demand less if they want, but the Packers would need to match and give the Chargers a pick in return.
 
I think it is highly, highly unlikely that any deal for Turner will be a draft day trade, which makes me think this is bogus. No team will trade for Turner unless a contract deal has been worked out first. That can't be done as a draft day trade, or at the very least, is near impossible to pull off. Now, if some team decides to match the tender, that's a different issue, but a draft day trade? I really don't thinks so.

 
Rovers said:
I think it is highly, highly unlikely that any deal for Turner will be a draft day trade, which makes me think this is bogus. No team will trade for Turner unless a contract deal has been worked out first. That can't be done as a draft day trade, or at the very least, is near impossible to pull off. Now, if some team decides to match the tender, that's a different issue, but a draft day trade? I really don't thinks so.
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Why not? If Lynch falls, they can take him. If he doesn't, they can trade the pick as part of the Turner deal.
 
Loco Barlow said:
Sports radio announced that the Green Bay Packers have expressed interest in trading for Michael Turner. There was talk all afternoon about the possibility, and that it would most likely be a draft day trade. It's apparent Green Bay is in the market for a RB, be it Michael Turner through trade, perhaps Marshawn Lynch via draft. This should get interesting.
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So you've moved your rumor creating shtick from Barlow to Denver to Turner to Green Bay? OK I gotchaDo Dillon to Cleveland next please
 
Rovers said:
I think it is highly, highly unlikely that any deal for Turner will be a draft day trade, which makes me think this is bogus. No team will trade for Turner unless a contract deal has been worked out first. That can't be done as a draft day trade, or at the very least, is near impossible to pull off. Now, if some team decides to match the tender, that's a different issue, but a draft day trade? I really don't thinks so.
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:lmao:
 
Bri said:
Loco Barlow said:
Sports radio announced that the Green Bay Packers have expressed interest in trading for Michael Turner. There was talk all afternoon about the possibility, and that it would most likely be a draft day trade. It's apparent Green Bay is in the market for a RB, be it Michael Turner through trade, perhaps Marshawn Lynch via draft. This should get interesting.
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So you've moved your rumor creating shtick from Barlow to Denver to Turner to Green Bay? OK I gotchaDo Dillon to Cleveland next please
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:lmao:
 
With how the NFL has moved to where teams have found you really are foolish to only have 1 (at least) solid RB, why would the Chargers do this? Who would then become Tomlinson's backup?

 
Spike said:
With how the NFL has moved to where teams have found you really are foolish to only have 1 (at least) solid RB, why would the Chargers do this? Who would then become Tomlinson's backup?
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Sproles? Some new 3rd round pick?With Norv in town, I do not see Turner dealt.
 
Bri said:
Loco Barlow said:
Sports radio announced that the Green Bay Packers have expressed interest in trading for Michael Turner. There was talk all afternoon about the possibility, and that it would most likely be a draft day trade. It's apparent Green Bay is in the market for a RB, be it Michael Turner through trade, perhaps Marshawn Lynch via draft. This should get interesting.
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So you've moved your rumor creating shtick from Barlow to Denver to Turner to Green Bay? OK I gotchaDo Dillon to Cleveland next please
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:goodposting:
 
The headline in the sports just now showed Nick Barnett and the caption said "California Dreamin"

Barnett to SD for Turner and a pick?

:mellow:

I'm just sayin.....

 
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With how the NFL has moved to where teams have found you really are foolish to only have 1 (at least) solid RB, why would the Chargers do this? Who would then become Tomlinson's backup?
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Because if they don't trade him before this season, he'll be a free agent next season and will walk away with no compensation or picks to the Chargers at all. The only way they could prevent it then would be to franchise tag him, but they would not do that because they are already paying big money to LT. So if they want anything in return for him, they have to make a move this off season.
 
I don;t think they could trade him right now if they wanted to, could they? Teams are going to have a chance to match the tender offer the Chargers put on him and will have until April 20th to do so. Don't think the Chargers could trade him until then but I could be wrong.

 
fruity pebbles said:
I don;t think they could trade him right now if they wanted to, could they? Teams are going to have a chance to match the tender offer the Chargers put on him and will have until April 20th to do so. Don't think the Chargers could trade him until then but I could be wrong.
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Chargers will be able to match any offer from other teams (insert poison pill here). They would have 7 days in which to match the offer or receive the appointed compensation.It's all in the link on how Restricted Free Agency works. Read it.
 
I just don't think a team that is this close to a championship would worry too much about losing their proven back-up RB next year for nothing. Not to say they wouldn't if they got a deal they could live with, but I don't think they're going to shop him around.

 
snorlax said:
Rovers said:
I think it is highly, highly unlikely that any deal for Turner will be a draft day trade, which makes me think this is bogus. No team will trade for Turner unless a contract deal has been worked out first. That can't be done as a draft day trade, or at the very least, is near impossible to pull off. Now, if some team decides to match the tender, that's a different issue, but a draft day trade? I really don't thinks so.
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Why not? If Lynch falls, they can take him. If he doesn't, they can trade the pick as part of the Turner deal.
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So, you think that GB would either trade away a first round pick on a guy that will be a free agent the next year, or be able to sign a contract with Turner inside of five minutes while they are on the clock? April 20 is the deadline for making offers to RFA's, so that can't be a draft day trade either. No, Turner won't be any part of a draft day trade. The only scenario I could see is if the Bolts give a team permission to talk to Tunrer's agent first, and have a deal already worked out. This is really stretching the limits of reality. I doubt the Chargers would allow any contract negotiations for Turner unless the potential aquiring team had already agreed to compensation with the SD front office. That would again, not be a draft day trade..... the Chargers aren't going to have a deal in place that is contingent on whether or not a certain player falls in the draft. If Turner gets traded, it will be well before draft day.
 
I'm not sure but I would assume that if Turner is a RFA the two sides could discuss a contract and then if they felt they could reach a contract the Packers (or any NFL club) could either sign that contract with him or negetiate a trade with the Chargers to acquire his rights at a lesser cost and then sign the contract?

 
thelongsnapper said:
I just don't think a team that is this close to a championship would worry too much about losing their proven back-up RB next year for nothing. Not to say they wouldn't if they got a deal they could live with, but I don't think they're going to shop him around.
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This guy gets it. Winning a SB would more than make up for getting nothing out of Turner.
 
cstu said:
thelongsnapper said:
I just don't think a team that is this close to a championship would worry too much about losing their proven back-up RB next year for nothing. Not to say they wouldn't if they got a deal they could live with, but I don't think they're going to shop him around.
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This guy gets it. Winning a SB would more than make up for getting nothing out of Turner.
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I agree that having a viable back up for LT is important but if Ladanian goes down (as good as we can all agree Turner has looked thus far) so does the Superbowl aspirations of the Chargers. Turner is a great back that can get tough yards and run very well. L.T. is someone the entire defense has to be aware of at all times running, catching, sometimes even passing. The way they used Turner last year, someone else could have spelled Tomlinson too (as stated before, maybe not with a 6+ yard per carry average).
 
Sabertooth said:
Carl Spackler said:
The headline in the sports just now showed Nick Barnett and the caption said "California Dreamin"

Barnett to SD for Turner and a pick?

:goodposting:

I'm just sayin.....
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Barnett said he'd love to end his career in Green Bay, but if he can't he's heading west.
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With Jamal Lewis' release today, I'd think that the Ravens might be interested in Turner, as well.Giants

Jets

GB

Ravens

Detroit

Cleveland?

Oakland

Denver

Houston

there aren't too many guys like Turner who are available.

he could be the hot commodity of this off-season. we'll find out friday!

 
nygiants56 said:
Sabertooth said:
Carl Spackler said:
The headline in the sports just now showed Nick Barnett and the caption said "California Dreamin"

Barnett to SD for Turner and a pick?

:thumbup:

I'm just sayin.....
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Barnett said he'd love to end his career in Green Bay, but if he can't he's heading west.
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With Jamal Lewis' release today, I'd think that the Ravens might be interested in Turner, as well.Giants

Jets

GB

Ravens

Detroit

Cleveland?

Oakland

Denver

Houston

there aren't too many guys like Turner who are available.

he could be the hot commodity of this off-season. we'll find out friday!
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Unless they're willing to part with a 1st and a 3rd or better I don't see any way the Chargers will allow the teams I've crossed out to get Turner.
 
Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports the San Diego Chargers have tendered RB Michael Turner, a restricted free agent, with a one-year, $2.35 million tender. Turner can negotiate with other teams but the Chargers would have the ability to match any offer. If they chose not to match, they would receive a first-round and third-round pick as compensation for him from the other squad.

from KFFL

 
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If they chose not to match, they would receive a first-round and third-round pick as compensation for him from the other squad.
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They won't match. The picks are worth more than Turner, regardless of the size of the contract.
 
jeter23 said:
Kevin Acee, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports the San Diego Chargers have tendered RB Michael Turner, a restricted free agent, with a one-year, $2.35 million tender. Turner can negotiate with other teams but the Chargers would have the ability to match any offer. If they chose not to match, they would receive a first-round and third-round pick as compensation for him from the other squad. from KFFL
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They would take less than the 1st and 3rd in a trade, I'd bet on it. I can see SD taking a 2nd and a player or trade with a team for a late 1st for Turner.
 
Turner is going to stay in SD for another season, and all those people holding Turner will have to wait for another year. jmo

 
Making the first-and-third tender was the pretty obvious move, but it doesn't help clarify the issue of where he'll be next year.

Maybe he'll be traded, maybe he won't be.

 
(Technically, the chargers gave him the second highest tender, not the highest. The highest is just a first, the second highest is a first and third, and the third highest is just a first . . . If that doesn't make a lot of sense, that's why the highest tender has never been used.)

 
Smart move by the Chargers.

As of 2/9, the Chargers had around $21M of cap room. $2.35M for one year to ensure they have a solid backup is not that bad. If someone does make them an offer, then they make out even better.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
(Technically, the chargers gave him the second highest tender, not the highest. The highest is just a first, the second highest is a first and third, and the third highest is just a first . . . If that doesn't make a lot of sense, that's why the highest tender has never been used.)
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Whaaa?
 
Gordon Keith said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
(Technically, the chargers gave him the second highest tender, not the highest. The highest is just a first, the second highest is a first and third, and the third highest is just a first . . . If that doesn't make a lot of sense, that's why the highest tender has never been used.)
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Whaaa?
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From the CBA:
(i) For Restricted Free Agents with three Accrued Seasons:

(1) Right of First Refusal: one year Player Contract with Paragraph 5 Salary of at least $721,600 for the 2006 League Year, $850,000 for the 2007 League Year, $927,000 for the 2008 League Year, $1,010,000 for the 2009 League Year, $1,101,000 for the 2010 League Year, $1,200,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $1,308,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable;

(2) Right of First Refusal and Draft Selection at Player’s Original Draft Round: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) the amount set forth in Subsection (b)(i)(1) above, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged (this Subsection is subject to the rules of Subsection © below);

(3) Right of First Refusal, One Second Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $1,300,000 in the 2007 League Year, $1,417,000 in the 2008 League Year, $1,545,000 in the 2009 League Year, $1,684,000 in the 2010 League Year, $1,835,000 in the 2011 League Year, or $2,000,000 in the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged;

(4) Right of First Refusal and One First Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $1,573,000 for the 2006 League Year, $1,850,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,017,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,198,000 for the 2009 League Year, $2,396,000 for the 2010 League Year, $2,611,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $2,846,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged

(5) Right of First Refusal, One First Round Draft Selection, and One Third Round Draft Selection: one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least (a) $2,096,600 for the 2006 League Year, $2,350,000 for the 2007 League Year, $2,562,000 for the 2008 League Year, $2,792,000 for the 2009 League Year, $3,043,000 for the 2010 League Year, $3,317,000 for the 2011 League Year, or $3,616,000 for the 2012 League Year, as applicable, or (b) 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, whichever is greater; in addition, if option (b) applies, all other terms of the player’s prior year contract are carried forward unchanged;

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(m) Notwithstanding the foregoing, in the event that the Prior Club of a Restricted Free Agent has tendered the player a Qualifying Offer pursuant to this Article XIX, Section 2(m) in an amount at least $500,000 greater than that specified by Subsections 2(b)(i)(5) or 2(b)(ii)(5) above, as applicable depending upon whether the League Year is a Capped Year or an Uncapped Year, or by Article LVI, Section (b), if applicable, then the Club shall have a Right of First Refusal and Draft Choice Compensation of only One First Round Selection, but any provision in an Offer Sheet to such player waiving or limiting the New Club’s ability to designate the player as a Franchise Player or Transition Player in the future shall not be a Principal Term, and therefore need not be included in a contract formed with the Prior Club as a result of matching such an Offer Sheet (but shall be included in a contract formed with the New Club as a result of the Prior Club not matching such an Offer Sheet).
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So the highest tender offer for 2007 would be $2,850,000 under subsection (m), but would give the tendering team draft choice compensation of only one first round selection.Turner got a $2,350,000 tender offer under subsection (b)(i)(5), which gives the Chargers draft choice compensation of one first round selection and one third round selection.

The advantage to making the $2,850,000 offer is that the Chargers would not have to match any promise by another club not to franchise Turner the following year. However, this advantage is not nearly enough to offset the disadvantage of paying more money (if the player stays) or foregoing a third round draft pick (if he leaves), so no team has ever used it.

 
Stinger Ray said:
Smart move by the Chargers. As of 2/9, the Chargers had around $21M of cap room. $2.35M for one year to ensure they have a solid backup is not that bad. If someone does make them an offer, then they make out even better.
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They didnt do that to have a 2.35 million dollar backup. They didnt it to insure Denver wasnt going to get him. I would be very shocked if he isnt traded. The Chargers know they should get some picks instead of nothing in two years
 
cowboy homer said:
Stinger Ray said:
Smart move by the Chargers. As of 2/9, the Chargers had around $21M of cap room. $2.35M for one year to ensure they have a solid backup is not that bad. If someone does make them an offer, then they make out even better.
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They didnt do that to have a 2.35 million dollar backup. They didnt it to insure Denver wasnt going to get him. I would be very shocked if he isnt traded. The Chargers know they should get some picks instead of nothing in two years
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$2.35M is worth it for Turner. They may well trade him, but if not they're getting plenty of bang for the buck in a guy with Turner's ability. The Chargers wouldn't get "nothing" in two years; they'd get a third-rounder (like they will this year for losing Brees last year).I really think it's about 50-50 that the Chargers will keep Turner this year as opposed to trading him. It depends on what kind of offers they get.
 
cowboy homer said:
Stinger Ray said:
Smart move by the Chargers. As of 2/9, the Chargers had around $21M of cap room. $2.35M for one year to ensure they have a solid backup is not that bad. If someone does make them an offer, then they make out even better.
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They didnt do that to have a 2.35 million dollar backup. They didnt it to insure Denver wasnt going to get him. I would be very shocked if he isnt traded. The Chargers know they should get some picks instead of nothing in two years
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They are close to a Super Bowl, keeping Turner this year will help their chances. As a Turner owner, I'm hoping he gets dealt to the Jets or other teams, but I'd bet against it.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Gordon Keith said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
(Technically, the chargers gave him the second highest tender, not the highest. The highest is just a first, the second highest is a first and third, and the third highest is just a first . . . If that doesn't make a lot of sense, that's why the highest tender has never been used.)
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Whaaa?
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From the CBA:
(i) For Restricted Free Agents with three Accrued Seasons:

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(m) Notwithstanding the foregoing, in the event that the Prior Club of a Restricted Free Agent has tendered the player a Qualifying Offer pursuant to this Article XIX, Section 2(m) in an amount at least $500,000 greater than that specified by Subsections 2(b)(i)(5) or 2(b)(ii)(5) above, as applicable depending upon whether the League Year is a Capped Year or an Uncapped Year, or by Article LVI, Section (b), if applicable, then the Club shall have a Right of First Refusal and Draft Choice Compensation of only One First Round Selection, but any provision in an Offer Sheet to such player waiving or limiting the New Club’s ability to designate the player as a Franchise Player or Transition Player in the future shall not be a Principal Term, and therefore need not be included in a contract formed with the Prior Club as a result of matching such an Offer Sheet (but shall be included in a contract formed with the New Club as a result of the Prior Club not matching such an Offer Sheet).
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So the highest tender offer for 2007 would be $2,850,000 under subsection (m), but would give the tendering team draft choice compensation of only one first round selection.Turner got a $2,350,000 tender offer under subsection (b)(i)(5), which gives the Chargers draft choice compensation of one first round selection and one third round selection.

The advantage to making the $2,850,000 offer is that the Chargers would not have to match any promise by another club not to franchise Turner the following year. However, this advantage is not nearly enough to offset the disadvantage of paying more money (if the player stays) or foregoing a third round draft pick (if he leaves), so no team has ever used it.
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You could call this the Curtis Martin rule. The Jets structured a contract to get him where it was either a one year deal with the club promising not to franchise or a 6 year deal. NE for a variety of reasons, felt they couldn't match the offer.
 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
(Technically, the chargers gave him the second highest tender, not the highest. The highest is just a first, the second highest is a first and third, and the third highest is just a first . . . If that doesn't make a lot of sense, that's why the highest tender has never been used.)
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I can see Matt Millen in heavy discussions right now with the Ford family as to whether to use the first or third highest tender for their most prized RFA this year. :)
 
Sweet Love said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
(Technically, the chargers gave him the second highest tender, not the highest. The highest is just a first, the second highest is a first and third, and the third highest is just a first . . . If that doesn't make a lot of sense, that's why the highest tender has never been used.)
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I can see Matt Millen in heavy discussions right now with the Ford family as to whether to use the first or third highest tender for their most prized RFA this year. :)
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I can't see that at all. I mean, you're talking about Millen and Turner can actually play.
 
-OZ- said:
As a Turner owner, I'm hoping he gets dealt to the Jets or other teams, but I'd bet against it.
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Agreed, but if I'm Turner's agent, I'm working the phones as aggressively as possible. While Turner would be free to sign anywhere in 2008, a lot can happen by this time next year - he could get hurt, have an off-year, or face poor supply/demand dynamics (glut of RBs with few possible destinations).
 
Sweet Love said:
Maurile Tremblay said:
(Technically, the chargers gave him the second highest tender, not the highest. The highest is just a first, the second highest is a first and third, and the third highest is just a first . . . If that doesn't make a lot of sense, that's why the highest tender has never been used.)
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I can see Matt Millen in heavy discussions right now with the Ford family as to whether to use the first or third highest tender for their most prized RFA this year. :cry:
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If Millen had half a brain, he would trade down, get extra picks, and then trade for Turner at a lower position in the draft order. Why would he take Turner if he could have his choice of the best rookies? If he didn't like any of the rookies over Turner, he should move down and then trade.
 
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