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Top 10 OTs - Baca

Does Levi Brown remind you of Leonard Davis? He kinda reminds _me_ of Leonard Davis.

Who scouts OLs!??

I confess to not being nearly as tuned in as last year, so this is all fwiw.

There's a couple I like going unmentioned.

First, Jermon Bushrod from Towson State. 6-5 315 pounder with 34.5 inch arms posted two 40s under 5 seconds and has a reputation for being sound fundamentally (4 year starter with great coaching) and a very hard worker. I heard his work outs turned a lot of heads and his phone line is busy. He could push Barbre for 1st small schooler and measures much better than Bender.

I've been a fan of Jake Kuresa (BYU) for a long time. I guess he's projecting as a guard and didn't measure well, but he's extremely sound and tenacious. He reminds me of O'Callaghan in that he will take a team down the field from the tackle posiition sometimes. I think he sticks in the NFL, maybe at guard.

Also a long time fan of the potential of Andrew Carnahan (Az St.). He's so long that it is very difficult to get around him if you don't beat him with a great first step. He always seemed like a future NFL player to me and he's also been starting forever. Still a project and still growing into his frame. With a lot of work anyway... he could be a player and you are going deeeep on this list.

No love for Thed Watson? Ah well, he coulda beena contenda... idiot.

Chaos Commish said:

Who scouts OLs!?? I confess to not being nearly as tuned in as last year, so this is all fwiw.There's a couple I like going unmentioned.First, Jermon Bushrod from Towson State. 6-5 315 pounder with 34.5 inch arms posted two 40s under 5 seconds and has a reputation for being sound fundamentally (4 year starter with great coaching) and a very hard worker. I heard his work outs turned a lot of heads and his phone line is busy. He could push Barbre for 1st small schooler and measures much better than Bender. I've been a fan of Jake Kuresa (BYU) for a long time. I guess he's projecting as a guard and didn't measure well, but he's extremely sound and tenacious. He reminds me of O'Callaghan in that he will take a team down the field from the tackle posiition sometimes. I think he sticks in the NFL, maybe at guard.Also a long time fan of the potential of Andrew Carnahan (Az St.). He's so long that it is very difficult to get around him if you don't beat him with a great first step. He always seemed like a future NFL player to me and he's also been starting forever. Still a project and still growing into his frame. With a lot of work anyway... he could be a player and you are going deeeep on this list. No love for Thed Watson? Ah well, he coulda beena contenda... idiot.

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Bushrod was next on my "worth mentioning" list, and I think he'll get drafted, I may add him. Kuresa definitely has a guard's body. He has dropped some weight and seems driven after being left off the combine list, he'll likely make the "worth mentioning" in the guards.Carnahan I left off because of the ACL, but you're right, solid is a great way to describe his game.Watson actually looked pretty good at Texas Vs. The Nation, but his mysterious dismissal should make hima priority FA.In reality, there are at least another 15-20 guys "worth mentioning" and there's also the somewhat arbitrary slotting of OG vs. OT. I am far from an OL expert, but I wanted to give our readers the lay of the land at OT this year.

Marc Faletti said:

Does Levi Brown remind you of Leonard Davis? He kinda reminds _me_ of Leonard Davis.

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Eh, I think he's a little bit more driven to succeed than Davis was. Or do you mean purely in technique?

Also, will you three guys being doing the defensive rankings? And where can we find Chaos' official rankings?

ConstruxBoy said:

Also, will you three guys being doing the defensive rankings? And where can we find Chaos' official rankings?

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I plan on posting rankings for every position except P and K (sorry Capybara). I cant speak for the rest of the guys, they actually have, you know, lives and stuff.

Sigmund Bloom said:

Chaos Commish said:

Who scouts OLs!?? I confess to not being nearly as tuned in as last year, so this is all fwiw.There's a couple I like going unmentioned.First, Jermon Bushrod from Towson State. 6-5 315 pounder with 34.5 inch arms posted two 40s under 5 seconds and has a reputation for being sound fundamentally (4 year starter with great coaching) and a very hard worker. I heard his work outs turned a lot of heads and his phone line is busy. He could push Barbre for 1st small schooler and measures much better than Bender. I've been a fan of Jake Kuresa (BYU) for a long time. I guess he's projecting as a guard and didn't measure well, but he's extremely sound and tenacious. He reminds me of O'Callaghan in that he will take a team down the field from the tackle posiition sometimes. I think he sticks in the NFL, maybe at guard.Also a long time fan of the potential of Andrew Carnahan (Az St.). He's so long that it is very difficult to get around him if you don't beat him with a great first step. He always seemed like a future NFL player to me and he's also been starting forever. Still a project and still growing into his frame. With a lot of work anyway... he could be a player and you are going deeeep on this list. No love for Thed Watson? Ah well, he coulda beena contenda... idiot.

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Bushrod was next on my "worth mentioning" list, and I think he'll get drafted, I may add him. Kuresa definitely has a guard's body. He has dropped some weight and seems driven after being left off the combine list, he'll likely make the "worth mentioning" in the guards.Carnahan I left off because of the ACL, but you're right, solid is a great way to describe his game.Watson actually looked pretty good at Texas Vs. The Nation, but his mysterious dismissal should make hima priority FA.In reality, there are at least another 15-20 guys "worth mentioning" and there's also the somewhat arbitrary slotting of OG vs. OT. I am far from an OL expert, but I wanted to give our readers the lay of the land at OT this year.

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Great stuff, btw. I love the big uglies and scouting them has become a sort of obsessive hobby (from which I needed a break this year), so I'll be spending some time on your list. There's several names there I know nada about. I claim to be a long time fan of Carnahan and didn't know he blew out a knee. Doh.When I say long time fan of Kuresa, I'm going all the way back to HS. He was one of the most heavily recruited linemen in memory and the choice of BYU was controversial. And don't worry about being an OL expert. There are none. Just accumulating the information is geeky enough. Having the lay of the land is all we can hope for.

Sigmund Bloom said:

ConstruxBoy said:

Also, will you three guys being doing the defensive rankings? And where can we find Chaos' official rankings?

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I plan on posting rankings for every position except P and K (sorry Capybara). I cant speak for the rest of the guys, they actually have, you know, lives and stuff.

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I probably won't post rankings this year. I'll just play peanut gallery and take shots at everyone else's. Bloom... Chris Denman, Fresno St. Check into him. He's a kid I saw play in HS and I guess he has blossomed and has a lot of interest.

Er, nevermind Denman. I see he was already on the list.

Thanks for doing this Bloom. A couple things I'd ask:

How do you come up with these scouting reports? Are these your own eyes, or are you working from other scouts' opinions? If so, which scouts/scouting services are you referencing?

Also, how do you do the rankings? If you clipped the player names off of your descriptions and put them in a random order, I'd probably put

6'5" 308 lbs.

"All XXX does is consistently keep pass rushers at bay with his great feet, agility, and long arms. He's also got the overall athleticism to lead block on traps and pulls. He's lower on this list than his less productive counterparts because he seems destined for RT, but he will have to bulk up and develop more of a mean streak/mauler mentality to carry over his success to the next level. Still, the team that drafts XXXX will get a smart, hard working player with an endless motor and the will to play through pain."

ahead of, say,

6'5" 301 lbs.

"XXXX's long frame and natural quickness say shutdown left tackle. His game says guard. XXXX's strong punch and killer instinct should be a huge asset whether stays at tackle or shifts inside. There are lingering questions about his dedication to the game, and he seems to tune in and out at times - increasing the bust risk that goes along with the upside of the athletic ability to excel as an LT in the NFL. "

But you seemed to rank them differently. Why?

bostonfred said:

Thanks for doing this Bloom. A couple things I'd ask:How do you come up with these scouting reports? Are these your own eyes, or are you working from other scouts' opinions? If so, which scouts/scouting services are you referencing? Also, how do you do the rankings? If you clipped the player names off of your descriptions and put them in a random order, I'd probably put 6'5" 308 lbs."All XXX does is consistently keep pass rushers at bay with his great feet, agility, and long arms. He's also got the overall athleticism to lead block on traps and pulls. He's lower on this list than his less productive counterparts because he seems destined for RT, but he will have to bulk up and develop more of a mean streak/mauler mentality to carry over his success to the next level. Still, the team that drafts XXXX will get a smart, hard working player with an endless motor and the will to play through pain."ahead of, say, 6'5" 301 lbs."XXXX's long frame and natural quickness say shutdown left tackle. His game says guard. XXXX's strong punch and killer instinct should be a huge asset whether stays at tackle or shifts inside. There are lingering questions about his dedication to the game, and he seems to tune in and out at times - increasing the bust risk that goes along with the upside of the athletic ability to excel as an LT in the NFL. "But you seemed to rank them differently. Why?

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1) The scouting reports are from a combination of watching tape (obviously not as intense as some other positions), watching all star practices (I got to watch 11 of the top 15 in person for three days each), andtrusted scouting opinions. The scouting opinion element is really an amalgam of everything Ive read, butof the "media" scouts, I put a lot of weight in what Russ Lande (sporting news/GM Jr) and Rob Rang (NFLdraftscout/Lindy's/Many national outlets) and their respective sites/print guides say. 2) This question really comes down to philosophy. One of these guys *should* be a very solid RT with a little development. The other *could* become a shutdown LT, but also could bust. What is worth more? Well, no disrespect to the great RTs in the league, but lets be real, you can get a decent RT type in the 4th or 5th round of just about every draft. The guys have the goods to play LT in the NFL usually dry up much sooner than that. Ill just pull some numbers out of my butt and call it a 25% chance at landing your LT/50% chance at landing a RT/OG vs. a 75% chance at landing your RT - to me, the scarcity of LTs makes the first guy worth more.As always, thanks for trusting us with your time and attention over at NFLDG.

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I see Free ranked fourth and fifth and... ugh. There's not much depth here is there. I was an apologist for Free and his foot through much of the season, but he was 100% against Blake. He... 's no pro.

Chaos Commish said:

I see Free ranked fourth and fifth and... ugh. There's not much depth here is there. I was an apologist for Free and his foot through much of the season, but he was 100% against Blake. He... 's no pro.

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That's the thing CC, there just ain't many guys who you can picture hanging at LT. I will say that Free looked TERRIBLE on Tuesday, then very solid on Wednesday at Shrine practices.

Sigmund Bloom said:

bostonfred said:

Thanks for doing this Bloom. A couple things I'd ask:How do you come up with these scouting reports? Are these your own eyes, or are you working from other scouts' opinions? If so, which scouts/scouting services are you referencing? Also, how do you do the rankings? If you clipped the player names off of your descriptions and put them in a random order, I'd probably put 6'5" 308 lbs."All XXX does is consistently keep pass rushers at bay with his great feet, agility, and long arms. He's also got the overall athleticism to lead block on traps and pulls. He's lower on this list than his less productive counterparts because he seems destined for RT, but he will have to bulk up and develop more of a mean streak/mauler mentality to carry over his success to the next level. Still, the team that drafts XXXX will get a smart, hard working player with an endless motor and the will to play through pain."ahead of, say, 6'5" 301 lbs."XXXX's long frame and natural quickness say shutdown left tackle. His game says guard. XXXX's strong punch and killer instinct should be a huge asset whether stays at tackle or shifts inside. There are lingering questions about his dedication to the game, and he seems to tune in and out at times - increasing the bust risk that goes along with the upside of the athletic ability to excel as an LT in the NFL. "But you seemed to rank them differently. Why?

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1) The scouting reports are from a combination of watching tape (obviously not as intense as some other positions), watching all star practices (I got to watch 11 of the top 15 in person for three days each), andtrusted scouting opinions. The scouting opinion element is really an amalgam of everything Ive read, butof the "media" scouts, I put a lot of weight in what Russ Lande (sporting news/GM Jr) and Rob Rang (NFLdraftscout/Lindy's/Many national outlets) and their respective sites/print guides say. 2) This question really comes down to philosophy. One of these guys *should* be a very solid RT with a little development. The other *could* become a shutdown LT, but also could bust. What is worth more? Well, no disrespect to the great RTs in the league, but lets be real, you can get a decent RT type in the 4th or 5th round of just about every draft. The guys have the goods to play LT in the NFL usually dry up much sooner than that. Ill just pull some numbers out of my butt and call it a 25% chance at landing your LT/50% chance at landing a RT/OG vs. a 75% chance at landing your RT - to me, the scarcity of LTs makes the first guy worth more.As always, thanks for trusting us with your time and attention over at NFLDG.

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Thanks for answering. Assuming I don't have a strong positional need, I think I'd rather have a guy who was likely to be a successful starter than the guy who had a shot at playing the better position. Or at least, I wouldn't have the potential LT five spots ahead at the position on my draft board. But I can totally understand the desire to lock up a left tackle long term if you need one. Makes sense.

Sigmund Bloom said:

Chaos Commish said:

I see Free ranked fourth and fifth and... ugh. There's not much depth here is there. I was an apologist for Free and his foot through much of the season, but he was 100% against Blake. He... 's no pro.

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That's the thing CC, there just ain't many guys who you can picture hanging at LT. I will say that Free looked TERRIBLE on Tuesday, then very solid on Wednesday at Shrine practices.

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I am pretty intrigued by this class of OT. I think there are several Ugoh, Harris, Free, Bender (maybe a couple others) who if a team can afford to hide and train for a couple of years have the physical characteristics to be LT in the NFL. They all seem to need techique and maybe strength work. The key is not for them to get exposed too quickly and actually have a OL coach worth a darn.