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Andy Dufresne Two Round Mock (1 Viewer)
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Ryan McBean is a first rounder.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I like it. If Hawk could go that high, so can Willis. He's a freak.
I agree. Willis and Landry are both threats to go top 5.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I'm trying to organize a list based on "can't miss-ness." I think the little blurb you liked about 1st rounders needing to contribute immediately can be expanded beyond OLs. Anyway, Landry and Willis pretty much top "can't miss-ness" list for me.
OldMilwaukee
IBL Representative
Question AD,
What did the Bills give to move up?
Nice work!
What did the Bills give to move up?
Nice work!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Their 1st and both 3rds.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I flipped a coin. I'm not crazy about McCauley either.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
McCauley isn't very good. Andy just follows the herd against his better judgment sometimes.
Shepherd and Brown are inked in through 2011. Is corner a pressing need for Philly?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I was getting pretty tired by that point. They lost Rod Hood as a nickel, so that was my thought process. Pick another corner if you like. The other consideration was one of Trent Edwards/Drew Stanton.McCauley isn't very good. Andy just follows the herd against his better judgment sometimes.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Btw, I think Wade is going to go earlier than most expect. Nice to see him slip into this mock. I think he could be this year's Kelly Jennings... late first, very early 2nd. Kid is a baller.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I wasn't criticizing. I was asking sincerely. Two good, albeit undersized corners, is not enough.I was getting pretty tired by that point. They lost Rod Hood as a nickel, so that was my thought process. Pick another corner if you like. The other consideration was one of Trent Edwards/Drew Stanton.McCauley isn't very good. Andy just follows the herd against his better judgment sometimes.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I didn't mean to come off as "firing back". I took it in the spirit it was given.I wasn't criticizing. I was asking sincerely. Two good, albeit undersized corners, is not enough.I was getting pretty tired by that point. They lost Rod Hood as a nickel, so that was my thought process. Pick another corner if you like. The other consideration was one of Trent Edwards/Drew Stanton.McCauley isn't very good. Andy just follows the herd against his better judgment sometimes.Shepherd and Brown are inked in through 2011. Is corner a pressing need for Philly?
It's sure good having you back around to talk this stuff through. I'm doing a lot of this in a vacuum. You've seen these guys first hand MUCH more than I have.If Detroit pulled that off, I'd need a clean pair of shorts too.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
YOU would be the first person I would think of if that happened.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
One of my driving intentions with this mock was to work through how Detroit could best improve their defense, using that #2 pick. A lot of fans would like either Anderson or Adams. But like I wrote, I think they're much better off going Willis EVEN AS HIGH AS #2, then DE in the 2nd as opposed to the other way around.What do you think of Ross as the CB in the Cover 2? I think he'd be perfect. Just like Griffin (also from Texas) was for the Vikings in the 2nd round last year.I think the Lions trades could happen. The Bills/Vikings one is a stretch, but still plausible.
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Aaronstory
Footballguy
I'll give it a serious once over tomorrow when I have more time (oldest daughter's BDay today - my brain is fried...) But so far, I am quite impressed.
"Like Nothing You've Ever Seen Before" = a mock where the Lions (ahem Millen) actually play the draft correctly!
Adding an early 2nd and 4th while still adding an immediate impact player at a huge position of need would be a master stroke of brilliance. I would have to stock being so hard on Millen if this actually unfolded.
Adding an early 2nd and 4th while still adding an immediate impact player at a huge position of need would be a master stroke of brilliance. I would have to stock being so hard on Millen if this actually unfolded.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Love the Saints pick and totally agree that if Bowe is there at that point there is no way they pass, that being said Im not so sure he'll be there. The combo of Bowe/Colston/Henderson would be unreal
pgreenfan
Footballguy
If the Cowboys take Ginn over Bowe I will likely be the most irritated I have been in a draft since Greg Ellis over Randy Moss or worse yet watching the Seahawks have 2 first rounders for Joey Galloway. 
Nitpicks
Cowboys taking Ginn, I think a lot of Ginn's value comes from returns and the Boys need a true WR more than they need a return man.
I think Joe Staley goes first round now for sure.
I can't see Leonard falling that far, if he does he will be a huge steal in my opinion.
others I think are falling farther than they should - Tank Tyler, Drew Stanton, Eric Wright and Marcus McCauley
Things I like
Patrick Willis to the Lions who pick up a 2nd and 4th for moving down. I think they could likely get more than that.
Michael Griffin and David Harris to the Pats. Harris I think would be a great fit there at ILB. Griffin should be a very solid system player in that defense.
Nitpicks
Cowboys taking Ginn, I think a lot of Ginn's value comes from returns and the Boys need a true WR more than they need a return man.
I think Joe Staley goes first round now for sure.
I can't see Leonard falling that far, if he does he will be a huge steal in my opinion.
others I think are falling farther than they should - Tank Tyler, Drew Stanton, Eric Wright and Marcus McCauley
Things I like
Patrick Willis to the Lions who pick up a 2nd and 4th for moving down. I think they could likely get more than that.
Michael Griffin and David Harris to the Pats. Harris I think would be a great fit there at ILB. Griffin should be a very solid system player in that defense.
Sean Baca
Footballguy
I agree with Willis going as high as #2, the more film I watch of him the more impressed I am. He could instantly enhance any defense. Great job.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I told Andy when he sent me the preview that I found this a strange pick. That offense is loaded with or without Stallworth and Horn. It is a system. Bush creates havoc. Deuce grinds. Colston dominates smaller DBs. They added a pass catching TE in free agency. They really really really need to focus on that defense. No?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That was a pick to keep Chaos Commish off my back. (Just kidding CC!)I'm not sure where to go with the 'Boys. I thought about cornerback as well as Bowe.If the Cowboys take Ginn over Bowe I will likely be the most irritated I have been in a draft since Greg Ellis over Randy Moss or worse yet watching the Seahawks have 2 first rounders for Joey Galloway.
He did go in the first. Pick 1.33.
The RBs are funny in this draft. I think Leonard is a bit overhyped right now. But at the same time, he is a player.
Other than McCauley, they were all considered at spots quite a bit higher than where they ended up.
This is a HUGE point that I was hoping would come up. My emphatic response to this is THEY'LL GET NOTHING IF THEY GET TOO GREEDY. If they take just a bit less than value for that #2 spot, they'll come out like gangbusters. If they hold out, like the Bears are, they'll be stuck with the #2 and not get nearly the value out of it that they could.
CC, if those trades happened and the Lions got Willis, I would be shaking hands with Jack Daniels early and often enough that those picks at the turn would be something I learn about in Sunday's paper. As far as the picks and players, I could see the Lions taking Stanton, as opposed to Ross. Conversely, the Lions have a recent habit of taking players from Austin and the pick would not shock me. Specific to Ross, I am indifferent but I do think Griffin is the better of the two. Willis at MLB addresses a need and helps or at least in theory helps alleviate some of the problems on defense, if he plays as advertised. He has shown he has the motor and moves to play 3 downs or at least be moved into coverage should an offense force him into pre snap coverage. He just need help with his technique but what rookie doesn't? He and Sims paired together would clean up much of the mess left by the DL. Thus, the team could actually decide to take any combination of DE, OL, DB or QB with their next few picks. Willis appears to be a high character kid and the pick would make sense but, as was suggested, not at 1.02. If this happened, though, I expect the HC to get his way and all those early picks will be spent on the defensive side of the ball. Sims, Willis, a new DE, a new DB and a better second year from Bullocks and things could get turned around in a hurry. Plus, a better defense will limit the pressure on the offense. Please, God, let something like this happen for the Lions.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
They added Kevin Kaesviharn and Brian Simmons as free agents. Corner is a definite need. Where else to you see glaring deficiencies?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If the Lions improve the defense to anywhere near the level this appears to, I think they have to be right in the mix to win the NFC Central next year. No, I'm not kidding.They've made decent moves with their o-line. Roy Williams should be a monster this year. I'm not sold on the situation at #2 wr and the RB spot. But it only needs to be efficient, not spectacular.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I was screaming for Moss that draft day. Remember Randy publicly proclaiming his desire to play in Dallas, but he expected to go sooner? Anyway, I prefer Ginn to Bowe. Ginn is a polarizing player who unfortunately brings out the worst in conversation, so I am avoiding it, but he improves a team more than Bowe... instantly, imo.If the Cowboys take Ginn over Bowe I will likely be the most irritated I have been in a draft since Greg Ellis over Randy Moss or worse yet watching the Seahawks have 2 first rounders for Joey Galloway.
They'll have players that can impact the team now with an immediate on field ROI versus any type of developmental period. That is assuming they do not draft Stanton or...for the love of all humanity...a WR, which is speaking directly to this mock draft and picks. All things considered I would feel much better with the team taking defensive players over the first few rounds. All the picks would play in September and would/should contribute right away. At a minimum they have an improved defense to start the year that could in theory be coming around by late second quarter, early third quarter of the season.
If that happens and the team can get average RB play and Kitna can stop turning the ball over, then that team stands a chance. Chance defined as playing at or just above .500, which would be a great improvement.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
They were 23rd in run defense. The weaknesses were right up the middle and at LB in general. That team played with amazing spirit, but the talent level is lacking everywhere but DE, imo. The two additions aren't too exciting. Simmons was a nice player a few years ago. Kaesviharn is a journeyman type talent... stop gaps... upgrades needed all over.I dunno. I look at that team, and the offense impresses me, the defense doesn't.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I wonder how much Hollis Thomas' suspension had to do with that ranking.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I like the fact that you have the Jags taking Reggie Nelson and Allison the 2nd. 
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I really like that mock ~ although I still hope the Bears trade for that earlier pick.
Thought about the Bengals taking a LB at their spot, but I could easily see a corner.
I also think people in Miami will go bananas if the Dolphins don't address the offensive line.
Other than that though
Well thought out. Probably the best mock I've seen to date.
Although I am still hoping some of the teams mess up so a better player can fall to the Bears.......
Thought about the Bengals taking a LB at their spot, but I could easily see a corner.
I also think people in Miami will go bananas if the Dolphins don't address the offensive line.
Other than that though
Well thought out. Probably the best mock I've seen to date.
Although I am still hoping some of the teams mess up so a better player can fall to the Bears.......
pgreenfan
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Lions aren't getting any picks from the Vikings.
pgreenfan
Footballguy
Not even to get a guy they really want?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Nope.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Re: the Chargers 1st rounder (30th), I think Weddle is definitely on their radar. A Turner deal could really shake up their draft - AJ Smith hasn't been an aggressive "move-upper", but with such a deep roster he may figure he can role the dice a bit and bring in an impact guy. There aren't many open roster spots anyway.
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
And when Dan Morgan get knocked out for the 18th time, their greatest need will be at middle backer. Am I wrong in thinking that TE is a nice to have position rather than absolute necessity like middle backer and safety? Minter already told them that he is retiring 2007 and if Morgan knew what was good for him, he would already be retired.
erymer
Footballguy
that would be a tremendous feat for the Lions...great draft day work. And if my Browns can come out of the first two rounds with Quinn and Jarrett, I would be thrilled. We have alot of holes, but this would give our offense no excuses. I think our O-line was just destroyed by injury, so if they can return to health with the addition of Steinbach, it will be good enough.Sigmund Bloom said:
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erymer
Footballguy
to me the panthers need a few things. 1) someone to help Steve Smith....whether that be a potential all world TE like Olsen or waiting to look for a WR in the second. this is a pretty deep draft class at the WR position2) ILB....As much as I like morgan, he is a health risk waiting for the IR. I am not sure there is a ILB worthy of the 14th overall pick. 3) backup QB......having williams take direct snaps just ain't gonna cut it. 4) they need their players to play. to me no other team underacheived as much as they did. I had very high hopes for them and last year was quite a letdown. 5) something I never understood was their redzone offense. To me this is a no brainer but why not put in Peppers @ TE in goal line situations. He played power forward for UNC basketball.....I mean if warren sapp and Joe klecko can be a redzone threat for their respective teams and other teams use converted basketball players at TE, how is Peppers not perfect on the goal line. I am not saying to use him all the time. but they need more options on offense. just my $0.02Donnybrook said:
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FYI, They do this. Ive seen Peppers draw a few PI penalties in the end zone as a receiver.
erymer
Footballguy
I am just surprised I've never seen it. It seems upon first look to be a great idea.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
But at the spot they're at in the draft, DL may not be the best value.The assumption with the Beason pick was that Al Wilson is gone.rascal said:
