BDPSL (Bid for your Draft Position Survivor League) (1 Viewer)

Ever felt like you got the shaft because of a poor draft position because of the luck of the die? Have you ever wanted the opportunity to draft from whichever spot in the draft order that you feel would give you the best chance of winning the league? Would you like to be in a league where there are absolutely no excuses for anyone to complain about where they picked from? Do you want to be part of a ground breaking league that finally accounts for the early pick advantage?

Here’s the answer: A league where you bid for your draft position. Bid what, you ask? The weekly points that you are willing to subtract from your team’s score each week.

So, how would this work? All participants will start out in one of the 16 spots at bids of 0.00. I will assign these randomly, but it really does not matter because all positions will be bid on at some point. Just think of your starting position as a placeholder. Everyone will be bidding simultaneously. When someone bids a higher amount on a given slot, they will exchange positions with the previous high bidder. Please copy the previous bid list from the post prior to yours. After posting, please ensure that your bid was legitimate, i.e. to make sure that another person didn't get a bid in while you were posting. All bidding will end after there have been no further bids for a six hour period of time. Bidding increments need to be done in minimum amounts of .05 points. The clock will not run during 12 AM-8 AM ET.

A bidding example is below taken from one of Bass' earlier posts:

Say the draft starts. If position #12 bids .05 points for spot #1, then #12 moves to #1 and #1 to #12. Later if #4 sitting at .15 bid points outbids #1 sitting at 1.85 bid points with 1.90 pts, #1 then moves to #4 and assumes his bid of .15. If #4 doesn't like that spot at that price, #4 could bid .10 points on #13 spot currently sitting at .05 points. They would then swap spots and so on.

Other Rules And The Bass Flow Chart:

We will refer to this to determine what is a valid bid. You need a rule that once someone bids and takes a new position, they can't bid on another slot until someone else has changed spots. That will prevent someone from jumping slot to slot to slot just to drive up bids. It should also make the end game simpler once fair prices have been established.

Also, someone winning a bid shouldn't be allowed to bid on their old position before anyone else bids on it. For example...

#1 Rads 1.50

#6 Duckboy .40

Duckboy bids on #1

#1 Duckboy 1.60

#6 Rads .40

Rads can bid on slot 1 since he was displaced, but Duckboy can't bid on slot 6 unless he occupies one of the other 14 slots first (either by bid or by being displaced). Possible flow chart....

Can I bid on a slot?

1) I was displaced = YES, I wasn't displaced = goto 2

2) Made last bid = NO, Didn't make last bid = goto 3

3) I wasn't previously in the slot = YES, I was previously in slot = goto4

4) Someone else bid on this slot since I was there = YES, No one else has bid on this slot = NO

Scoring rules and roster sizes will be identical to the SSLs. Scores will be calculated normally and then each person’s weekly discount factor would be subtracted from that score to determine the lowest points each week. Please post in this thread if you’re interested. The bidding for the draft spots will start at 11 AM ET on Monday 4/23. The actual draft will start the day after the FIRST SSL concludes or when a majority states that they are ready (whichever is sooner). I will keep the list updated here for alternates or a second league.

If someone has not placed a bid within the first six hours after the draft begins, I will PM that person to make sure they are around. A bid does not need to be placed within that time frame. I just want to know that people in the draft are present and involved. You can PM me sooner than that near the start of the draft to let me know that you're aware that the draft is in progress, but that you just haven't exercised your bidding options yet. If I PM someone after six hours for inactivity and I do not hear anything back from them OR they do not place a bid within the next four hours following my PM, they will be replaced in the draft with the first alternate. This will continue until we're certain that every participant has made at least one active bid. I will begin a new thread for the bidding and please keep that thread for bidding ONLY to keep it clean and less confusing. I will also start a bidding commentary thread for chatter throughout the process. Please let me know if you have any questions, need clarification, or have decided to bow out given the changes from the original rules. Thanks.

League 1

1. radballs

2. Team Legacy

3. valence

4. Fiddles

5. Thom Yorke

6. restless natives

7. Blue-Kun

8. Orgazmo

9. Duckboy

10. jeter23

11. wannabee

12. Pictus Cat

13. David Yudkin Perry Van Hook

14. Jeff Pasquino Hear-The-Footsteps

15. renesauz

16. Domination

League 2

1. NorrisB

2. Ruffrodys05

3. LHUCKS

This is going to be fun...

in

in

IN

count me in

In.

I have to step out for a couple hours and will update the list when I get back. Of course, if there's enough interest we can open it up for another league. I hope Twilight can not only join but help out with these as well.

It would be nice to operate from a spot that required fewer gambles.

IN

Sure, why not...

Hopefully, Twi's webiste has a "score adjuster" ability, although I doubt there's anything automated that could be established. I would think our standings page will have to be manually crunched each week.

I am IN ... this looks like fun, Rads.

Okee Doke

If we don't start drafting until 4/26 I'm in . . . won't be available until then.

when's this start?

Pencil me in.

radballs said:

Scoring rules and roster sizes will be identical to the SSLs. Scores will be calculated normally and then each person’s weekly discount factor would be subtracted from that score to determine the lowest points each week. Please post in this thread if you’re interested. I’m planning on starting the bidding for the draft spots DURING the SSLs since people will already be checking in for those drafts (I'm open to starting this sooner if the league fills up really soon and folks are anxious). The actual draft will start the day after the FIRST SSL concludes. I will keep the list updated here with those jumping in.

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I think we've got 16...let's go

I am so addicted...in if there's still a spot.

If I counted right...I'd be #16

David Yudkin said:

If we don't start drafting until 4/26 I'm in . . . won't be available until then.

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The actual draft won't start until after the NFL draft at a minimum (as stated in the rules it is after the first SSL concludes but we can change that). I'll put you in David.

I've counted 15 so far. Did I miss someone?

radballs said:

I've counted 15 so far. Did I miss someone?

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I don't think so.......at least, I can't find someone missing. I must have counted somebody twice before.

Tried to convince myself that I didn't want to do this, but I am an addict .

Count me in.

so when do we start bidding league is full

I'll take the minimum bid for the 1st pick.

I mean, I'm ready.

If we put a limit of no final determination on the 1st pick for the next two days,

we could start now and everyone would probably check in and realize it's started.

restless natives said:

so when do we start bidding league is full

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That's some punctuation-be-damned type of anxious right there.

IN if you got the room!!!

Orgazmo said:

restless natives said:

so when do we start bidding league is full

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That's some punctuation-be-damned type of anxious right there.

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Hear-the-Footsteps said:

IN if you got the room!!!

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I'll put you in as first alternate and at the top of league 2 if there is enough interest for a second one.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

Thanks Rad

In for the "second BDPSL"

It seems like many of you want to start the bidding process asap. I will PM everyone individually to let them know and will start the first bidding thread in about two hours. The clock for the first draft position won't start until tomorrow morning at 8 AM ET. I want to make sure that everyone who signed up is actually around when the bidding is taking place. Please respond to my PM that you're ready to go. If David Yudkin can't make it, I will bump HTF up into this.

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Perry Van Hook said:

Imitation is the sincerest form of flatteryThanks RadIn for the "second BDPSL"

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You got it Perry.

Rad...suggestion for you to make this better, but more complicated (seems as if you have plenty of time to implement).

Intially roll for positions so everyone has a seat at the table. Open the bidding on all 16 spots at the same time. If position #12 bids .01 points for spot #1, then #12 moves to #1 and #1 to #12. Later if #4 sitting at .18 bid points outbids #1 sitting at 1.85 bid points with 1.86 pts, #1 then moves to #4 and assumes his bid of .18. If #4 doesn't like that spot at that price, #4 could bid .03 points on #13 spot currently sitting at .02 points. They would then swap spots.

The reason I suggest this is that postion #9 may be favored over #4, or #16 over #13 due to drop offs in tiers. Some may like the turn, others my prefer the exact middle. Using this method you're not influencing the outcome and everyone always has a seat at the table. This exercise would kind of suck if the last 8 spots are all .00 points and determined by dice roll. You could let this play out over several weeks until you start without a problem.

Also keep in mind that Twilight does not use decimal scoring so you will have to convince him to run another set of scoring. My want to save him a seat as an enticement.

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Also keep in mind that Twilight does not use decimal scoring so you will have to convince him to run another set of scoring. My want to save him a seat as an enticement.

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So whole points perhaps?"Its a hundred percent pure adrenaline, Johnny!"

Orgazmo said:

BassNBrew said:

Also keep in mind that Twilight does not use decimal scoring so you will have to convince him to run another set of scoring. My want to save him a seat as an enticement.

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So whole points perhaps?"Its a hundred percent pure adrenaline, Johnny!"

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Would never work. You might get 2 or 3 for LT and then a bunch of zero bids. Other than Lhucks, most of this group has the skills to win from most anywhere and doesn't complain about draft position being the end all. Most aren't likely to give away much in the way of points.

renesauz said:

I am so addicted...in if there's still a spot.

If I counted right...I'd be #16

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I warned you...

BassNBrew said:

Rad...suggestion for you to make this better, but more complicated (seems as if you have plenty of time to implement).Intially roll for positions so everyone has a seat at the table. Open the bidding on all 16 spots at the same time. If position #12 bids .01 points for spot #1, then #12 moves to #1 and #1 to #12. Later if #4 sitting at .18 bid points outbids #1 sitting at 1.85 bid points with 1.86 pts, #1 then moves to #4 and assumes his bid of .18. If #4 doesn't like that spot at that price, #4 could bid .03 points on #13 spot currently sitting at .02 points. They would then swap spots.The reason I suggest this is that postion #9 may be favored over #4, or #16 over #13 due to drop offs in tiers. Some may like the turn, others my prefer the exact middle. Using this method you're not influencing the outcome and everyone always has a seat at the table. This exercise would kind of suck if the last 8 spots are all .00 points and determined by dice roll. You could let this play out over several weeks until you start without a problem.Also keep in mind that Twilight does not use decimal scoring so you will have to convince him to run another set of scoring. My want to save him a seat as an enticement.

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I really think you make some valid points here Bass but I'm not quite sure how to make adjustments. So, your idea is that all spots are open for auction all at the same time. And, I guess you can never bid higher on a draft spot if you're already the leader on one. Hmmm. I'd rather do this right than jump in and have it not work like I'm hoping. So, this is what I'm proposing for now or to get additional opinions.Option 1 - We roll given the rules I already laid out. Something still needs to be determined if we get no bids on a number of draft spots, i.e. Do we just randomly assign the rest of the positions that went unbid on (Because obviously if pick 7 goes unbid on, we'd still bid on pick 8)?Option 2 - Go with what Bass is suggesting. It might be tough coordinating this on the message boards but I'm game and it does give people flexibility. We would have to have 16 threads with simultaneous bidding (although a lot of them may be fairly inactive). Still could work very well though if someone is really targeting a specific spot and not a player. Could very well be much more fair than option 1.Option 3 - This is what I'll call the Perry Van Hook rule because I think this is how one of his leagues work (but maybe I have it wrong). It works like option 1 but after each winning bid is determined in the first round, the participant actually makes his pick. In other words, when somebody wins the auction they select and then the bidding begins on the next selection (for the first round only). This allows people to feel out the first round but if their target slips a bit, they may be more inclined to bid a different amount given that "their" first round player is still on the board.Any other suggestions from anyone is welcome. I can always start a poll, but I'd rather not and go with the most sensible option given the arguments. Thanks for understanding that I want to fine tune this before we get started. I thought I had this format nailed down since the original option is fairly simple. But, equity across all draft spots is really what I'm trying to accomplish here even though every option has its pros and cons.

For me, its either Option 1 or 3. If someone doesn't bid on a spot, move to the next one and so on. Those would be randomly assigned using a dice roll.

just my two cents.

Considering that we have plenty of time until these start. If we were looking to rectify the problem with picks not getting any bids, we could always revisit the picks that had no bids with the remaining players after we have gone through the rd once. I think people would be more willing to bid on a spot, even if it wasn't their first choice, if given a second chance and possibly at a discount.

Team Legacy said:

For me, its either Option 1 or 3. If someone doesn't bid on a spot, move to the next one and so on. Those would be randomly assigned using a dice roll. just my two cents.

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The threat of a dice roll might entice people to bid just so they know when they are picking and actually have a say in it.

Domination said:

Considering that we have plenty of time until these start. If we were looking to rectify the problem with picks not getting any bids, we could always revisit the picks that had no bids with the remaining players after we have gone through the rd once. I think people would be more willing to bid on a spot, even if it wasn't their first choice, if given a second chance and possibly at a discount.

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This isn't a bad idea. The only issue I have with it is that it might encourage less spending per position if people think they might have a second crack at it. I'd like to avoid diminishing the draft selection values by giving the conservative guys another shot. Will still consider this though and thanks for the input Domination.

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BassNBrew said:

Rad...suggestion for you to make this better, but more complicated (seems as if you have plenty of time to implement).Intially roll for positions so everyone has a seat at the table. Open the bidding on all 16 spots at the same time. If position #12 bids .01 points for spot #1, then #12 moves to #1 and #1 to #12. Later if #4 sitting at .18 bid points outbids #1 sitting at 1.85 bid points with 1.86 pts, #1 then moves to #4 and assumes his bid of .18. If #4 doesn't like that spot at that price, #4 could bid .03 points on #13 spot currently sitting at .02 points. They would then swap spots.The reason I suggest this is that postion #9 may be favored over #4, or #16 over #13 due to drop offs in tiers. Some may like the turn, others my prefer the exact middle. Using this method you're not influencing the outcome and everyone always has a seat at the table. This exercise would kind of suck if the last 8 spots are all .00 points and determined by dice roll. You could let this play out over several weeks until you start without a problem.Also keep in mind that Twilight does not use decimal scoring so you will have to convince him to run another set of scoring. My want to save him a seat as an enticement.

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I really think you make some valid points here Bass but I'm not quite sure how to make adjustments. So, your idea is that all spots are open for auction all at the same time. And, I guess you can never bid higher on a draft spot if you're already the leader on one. Hmmm. I'd rather do this right than jump in and have it not work like I'm hoping. So, this is what I'm proposing for now or to get additional opinions.Option 1 - We roll given the rules I already laid out. Something still needs to be determined if we get no bids on a number of draft spots, i.e. Do we just randomly assign the rest of the positions that went unbid on (Because obviously if pick 7 goes unbid on, we'd still bid on pick 8)?Option 2 - Go with what Bass is suggesting. It might be tough coordinating this on the message boards but I'm game and it does give people flexibility. We would have to have 16 threads with simultaneous bidding (although a lot of them may be fairly inactive). Still could work very well though if someone is really targeting a specific spot and not a player. Could very well be much more fair than option 1.Option 3 - This is what I'll call the Perry Van Hook rule because I think this is how one of his leagues work (but maybe I have it wrong). It works like option 1 but after each winning bid is determined in the first round, the participant actually makes his pick. In other words, when somebody wins the auction they select and then the bidding begins on the next selection (for the first round only). This allows people to feel out the first round but if their target slips a bit, they may be more inclined to bid a different amount given that "their" first round player is still on the board.Any other suggestions from anyone is welcome. I can always start a poll, but I'd rather not and go with the most sensible option given the arguments. Thanks for understanding that I want to fine tune this before we get started. I thought I had this format nailed down since the original option is fairly simple. But, equity across all draft spots is really what I'm trying to accomplish here even though every option has its pros and cons.

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I know I'm not in this but option 3 looks like a good choice. Easy to manage and meets your objective of forcing people to pay for their draft position.

Domination said:

Team Legacy said:

For me, its either Option 1 or 3. If someone doesn't bid on a spot, move to the next one and so on. Those would be randomly assigned using a dice roll. just my two cents.

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The threat of a dice roll might entice people to bid just so they know when they are picking and actually have a say in it.

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That should exactly be the point. The bidding continues through each position regardless if the previous one didn't have any bidders.

radballs said:

BassNBrew said:

Rad...suggestion for you to make this better, but more complicated (seems as if you have plenty of time to implement).Intially roll for positions so everyone has a seat at the table. Open the bidding on all 16 spots at the same time. If position #12 bids .01 points for spot #1, then #12 moves to #1 and #1 to #12. Later if #4 sitting at .18 bid points outbids #1 sitting at 1.85 bid points with 1.86 pts, #1 then moves to #4 and assumes his bid of .18. If #4 doesn't like that spot at that price, #4 could bid .03 points on #13 spot currently sitting at .02 points. They would then swap spots.The reason I suggest this is that postion #9 may be favored over #4, or #16 over #13 due to drop offs in tiers. Some may like the turn, others my prefer the exact middle. Using this method you're not influencing the outcome and everyone always has a seat at the table. This exercise would kind of suck if the last 8 spots are all .00 points and determined by dice roll. You could let this play out over several weeks until you start without a problem.Also keep in mind that Twilight does not use decimal scoring so you will have to convince him to run another set of scoring. My want to save him a seat as an enticement.

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I really think you make some valid points here Bass but I'm not quite sure how to make adjustments. So, your idea is that all spots are open for auction all at the same time. And, I guess you can never bid higher on a draft spot if you're already the leader on one. Hmmm. I'd rather do this right than jump in and have it not work like I'm hoping. So, this is what I'm proposing for now or to get additional opinions.Option 1 - We roll given the rules I already laid out. Something still needs to be determined if we get no bids on a number of draft spots, i.e. Do we just randomly assign the rest of the positions that went unbid on (Because obviously if pick 7 goes unbid on, we'd still bid on pick 8)?Option 2 - Go with what Bass is suggesting. It might be tough coordinating this on the message boards but I'm game and it does give people flexibility. We would have to have 16 threads with simultaneous bidding (although a lot of them may be fairly inactive). Still could work very well though if someone is really targeting a specific spot and not a player. Could very well be much more fair than option 1.Option 3 - This is what I'll call the Perry Van Hook rule because I think this is how one of his leagues work (but maybe I have it wrong). It works like option 1 but after each winning bid is determined in the first round, the participant actually makes his pick. In other words, when somebody wins the auction they select and then the bidding begins on the next selection (for the first round only). This allows people to feel out the first round but if their target slips a bit, they may be more inclined to bid a different amount given that "their" first round player is still on the board.Any other suggestions from anyone is welcome. I can always start a poll, but I'd rather not and go with the most sensible option given the arguments. Thanks for understanding that I want to fine tune this before we get started. I thought I had this format nailed down since the original option is fairly simple. But, equity across all draft spots is really what I'm trying to accomplish here even though every option has its pros and cons.

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Rad,I think you could pull this off in one thread. List all 16 spots and who owns that slot. Anyone bidding would copy the list, move their name to the slot they want with the bid, and move the person they're outbidding to their vacant slot. Everything would be concise in one thread with each post 16 lines long. They last post in the thread would always be the current order/bids. Fairly simple.The main reason I suggested this is that it leaves all slots open based on market demand. They aren't influenced by the order nominated or scarcity. This should give you a true picture of the value of each slot between 16 unique owners.

BassNBrew said:

Orgazmo said:

BassNBrew said:

Also keep in mind that Twilight does not use decimal scoring so you will have to convince him to run another set of scoring. My want to save him a seat as an enticement.

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So whole points perhaps?"Its a hundred percent pure adrenaline, Johnny!"

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Would never work. You might get 2 or 3 for LT and then a bunch of zero bids. Other than Lhucks, most of this group has the skills to win from most anywhere and doesn't complain about draft position being the end all. Most aren't likely to give away much in the way of points.

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SHHHHHHHhhhhhh!!!! I was PLANNING on doing nothing but carefully driving up other bids!

Jeff Pasquino said:

renesauz said:

I am so addicted...in if there's still a spot.

If I counted right...I'd be #16

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I warned you...

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Why...yes, I believe you did.Why does this smell of the first White Elephant attempt?

BassNBrew said:

radballs said:

BassNBrew said:

Rad...suggestion for you to make this better, but more complicated (seems as if you have plenty of time to implement).Intially roll for positions so everyone has a seat at the table. Open the bidding on all 16 spots at the same time. If position #12 bids .01 points for spot #1, then #12 moves to #1 and #1 to #12. Later if #4 sitting at .18 bid points outbids #1 sitting at 1.85 bid points with 1.86 pts, #1 then moves to #4 and assumes his bid of .18. If #4 doesn't like that spot at that price, #4 could bid .03 points on #13 spot currently sitting at .02 points. They would then swap spots.The reason I suggest this is that postion #9 may be favored over #4, or #16 over #13 due to drop offs in tiers. Some may like the turn, others my prefer the exact middle. Using this method you're not influencing the outcome and everyone always has a seat at the table. This exercise would kind of suck if the last 8 spots are all .00 points and determined by dice roll. You could let this play out over several weeks until you start without a problem.Also keep in mind that Twilight does not use decimal scoring so you will have to convince him to run another set of scoring. My want to save him a seat as an enticement.

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I really think you make some valid points here Bass but I'm not quite sure how to make adjustments. So, your idea is that all spots are open for auction all at the same time. And, I guess you can never bid higher on a draft spot if you're already the leader on one. Hmmm. I'd rather do this right than jump in and have it not work like I'm hoping. So, this is what I'm proposing for now or to get additional opinions.Option 1 - We roll given the rules I already laid out. Something still needs to be determined if we get no bids on a number of draft spots, i.e. Do we just randomly assign the rest of the positions that went unbid on (Because obviously if pick 7 goes unbid on, we'd still bid on pick 8)?Option 2 - Go with what Bass is suggesting. It might be tough coordinating this on the message boards but I'm game and it does give people flexibility. We would have to have 16 threads with simultaneous bidding (although a lot of them may be fairly inactive). Still could work very well though if someone is really targeting a specific spot and not a player. Could very well be much more fair than option 1.Option 3 - This is what I'll call the Perry Van Hook rule because I think this is how one of his leagues work (but maybe I have it wrong). It works like option 1 but after each winning bid is determined in the first round, the participant actually makes his pick. In other words, when somebody wins the auction they select and then the bidding begins on the next selection (for the first round only). This allows people to feel out the first round but if their target slips a bit, they may be more inclined to bid a different amount given that "their" first round player is still on the board.Any other suggestions from anyone is welcome. I can always start a poll, but I'd rather not and go with the most sensible option given the arguments. Thanks for understanding that I want to fine tune this before we get started. I thought I had this format nailed down since the original option is fairly simple. But, equity across all draft spots is really what I'm trying to accomplish here even though every option has its pros and cons.

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Rad,I think you could pull this off in one thread. List all 16 spots and who owns that slot. Anyone bidding would copy the list, move their name to the slot they want with the bid, and move the person they're outbidding to their vacant slot. Everything would be concise in one thread with each post 16 lines long. They last post in the thread would always be the current order/bids. Fairly simple.The main reason I suggested this is that it leaves all slots open based on market demand. They aren't influenced by the order nominated or scarcity. This should give you a true picture of the value of each slot between 16 unique owners.

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Yeah, that could definitely work. I was having a hard time visualizing your suggestion logistically. And what I am trying to do is get a feel for each draft slot's value prior to the draft starting. Does anyone have any concerns with this method of draft slot determination?

BassNBrew said:

radballs said:

BassNBrew said:

Rad...suggestion for you to make this better, but more complicated (seems as if you have plenty of time to implement).Intially roll for positions so everyone has a seat at the table. Open the bidding on all 16 spots at the same time. If position #12 bids .01 points for spot #1, then #12 moves to #1 and #1 to #12. Later if #4 sitting at .18 bid points outbids #1 sitting at 1.85 bid points with 1.86 pts, #1 then moves to #4 and assumes his bid of .18. If #4 doesn't like that spot at that price, #4 could bid .03 points on #13 spot currently sitting at .02 points. They would then swap spots.The reason I suggest this is that postion #9 may be favored over #4, or #16 over #13 due to drop offs in tiers. Some may like the turn, others my prefer the exact middle. Using this method you're not influencing the outcome and everyone always has a seat at the table. This exercise would kind of suck if the last 8 spots are all .00 points and determined by dice roll. You could let this play out over several weeks until you start without a problem.Also keep in mind that Twilight does not use decimal scoring so you will have to convince him to run another set of scoring. My want to save him a seat as an enticement.

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I really think you make some valid points here Bass but I'm not quite sure how to make adjustments. So, your idea is that all spots are open for auction all at the same time. And, I guess you can never bid higher on a draft spot if you're already the leader on one. Hmmm. I'd rather do this right than jump in and have it not work like I'm hoping. So, this is what I'm proposing for now or to get additional opinions.Option 1 - We roll given the rules I already laid out. Something still needs to be determined if we get no bids on a number of draft spots, i.e. Do we just randomly assign the rest of the positions that went unbid on (Because obviously if pick 7 goes unbid on, we'd still bid on pick 8)?Option 2 - Go with what Bass is suggesting. It might be tough coordinating this on the message boards but I'm game and it does give people flexibility. We would have to have 16 threads with simultaneous bidding (although a lot of them may be fairly inactive). Still could work very well though if someone is really targeting a specific spot and not a player. Could very well be much more fair than option 1.Option 3 - This is what I'll call the Perry Van Hook rule because I think this is how one of his leagues work (but maybe I have it wrong). It works like option 1 but after each winning bid is determined in the first round, the participant actually makes his pick. In other words, when somebody wins the auction they select and then the bidding begins on the next selection (for the first round only). This allows people to feel out the first round but if their target slips a bit, they may be more inclined to bid a different amount given that "their" first round player is still on the board.Any other suggestions from anyone is welcome. I can always start a poll, but I'd rather not and go with the most sensible option given the arguments. Thanks for understanding that I want to fine tune this before we get started. I thought I had this format nailed down since the original option is fairly simple. But, equity across all draft spots is really what I'm trying to accomplish here even though every option has its pros and cons.

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Rad,I think you could pull this off in one thread. List all 16 spots and who owns that slot. Anyone bidding would copy the list, move their name to the slot they want with the bid, and move the person they're outbidding to their vacant slot. Everything would be concise in one thread with each post 16 lines long. They last post in the thread would always be the current order/bids. Fairly simple.The main reason I suggested this is that it leaves all slots open based on market demand. They aren't influenced by the order nominated or scarcity. This should give you a true picture of the value of each slot between 16 unique owners.

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I don't think that will work. Say the guy in slot 6 bids 1.5 points to move to slot #1. The guy in slot #1 had 1.4 points, but now is in slot #6 at ???? points. If zero...then the bidding will NEVER end as the guy at #10 is sure to bid 0.1 to move up to 6, the guy at 15 0.1 to move to slot 10, etc. Then the guy who WAS at 1 bids 0.2 to move back to six. It will be a confusing mess, I think...UNLESS...Your bid does NOT change. If you bid 1.1 for slot one, and lose, then you still have 1.1 as your bid, REGARDLESS of what draft slot you currently hold. If you wish to move to another slot that has a current lower bid, 1.1 is your minimum bid for that slot.IE: SLot one (top pick) has a bid of 0.8, second slot has a bid of 0.6, third is at 0.4, fourth is also 0.4, tenth is 0.2. The guy in tenth slot bids 0.9 to take slot one. the guy who was at one is now in the ten slot with a 0.8 bid. He can immediately switch with slot two if he wishes, without bidding higher.To make that truly work, you could roll the dice as normal, assign the guy in #1 a 1.5, #2 a 1.4, etc. down to 0.0 for slot 16. People have to think hard about how much they want to bid to move up.Further, you could do this every round, keeping track of the final bids every round. At drafts end, we could add up the totals, and round them off to the nearest whole point.....that would make adjustments to Twilights rankings/scoring easy since it will be a whole number for everybody. It will make the draft take forever, but would be interesting!

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Please keep the debate going. I'd like more input and then I'll make a decision sometime tomorrow. Regardless, please try to stay in the loop for the beginning of the bidding process. Even if we start in whatever format tomorrow, no ending bidding clock will begin until Monday morning 4/23. Thanks for all of your patience as we get the details hammered out.

Bass' idea is really growing on me. Any comments about why that method isn't fair for determining respective draft slot values? TIA

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Rad...suggestion for you to make this better, but more complicated (seems as if you have plenty of time to implement).Intially roll for positions so everyone has a seat at the table. Open the bidding on all 16 spots at the same time. If position #12 bids .01 points for spot #1, then #12 moves to #1 and #1 to #12. Later if #4 sitting at .18 bid points outbids #1 sitting at 1.85 bid points with 1.86 pts, #1 then moves to #4 and assumes his bid of .18. If #4 doesn't like that spot at that price, #4 could bid .03 points on #13 spot currently sitting at .02 points. They would then swap spots.The reason I suggest this is that postion #9 may be favored over #4, or #16 over #13 due to drop offs in tiers. Some may like the turn, others my prefer the exact middle. Using this method you're not influencing the outcome and everyone always has a seat at the table. This exercise would kind of suck if the last 8 spots are all .00 points and determined by dice roll. You could let this play out over several weeks until you start without a problem.Also keep in mind that Twilight does not use decimal scoring so you will have to convince him to run another set of scoring. My want to save him a seat as an enticement.

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I really think you make some valid points here Bass but I'm not quite sure how to make adjustments. So, your idea is that all spots are open for auction all at the same time. And, I guess you can never bid higher on a draft spot if you're already the leader on one. Hmmm. I'd rather do this right than jump in and have it not work like I'm hoping. So, this is what I'm proposing for now or to get additional opinions.Option 1 - We roll given the rules I already laid out. Something still needs to be determined if we get no bids on a number of draft spots, i.e. Do we just randomly assign the rest of the positions that went unbid on (Because obviously if pick 7 goes unbid on, we'd still bid on pick 8)?Option 2 - Go with what Bass is suggesting. It might be tough coordinating this on the message boards but I'm game and it does give people flexibility. We would have to have 16 threads with simultaneous bidding (although a lot of them may be fairly inactive). Still could work very well though if someone is really targeting a specific spot and not a player. Could very well be much more fair than option 1.Option 3 - This is what I'll call the Perry Van Hook rule because I think this is how one of his leagues work (but maybe I have it wrong). It works like option 1 but after each winning bid is determined in the first round, the participant actually makes his pick. In other words, when somebody wins the auction they select and then the bidding begins on the next selection (for the first round only). This allows people to feel out the first round but if their target slips a bit, they may be more inclined to bid a different amount given that "their" first round player is still on the board.Any other suggestions from anyone is welcome. I can always start a poll, but I'd rather not and go with the most sensible option given the arguments. Thanks for understanding that I want to fine tune this before we get started. I thought I had this format nailed down since the original option is fairly simple. But, equity across all draft spots is really what I'm trying to accomplish here even though every option has its pros and cons.

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Rad,I think you could pull this off in one thread. List all 16 spots and who owns that slot. Anyone bidding would copy the list, move their name to the slot they want with the bid, and move the person they're outbidding to their vacant slot. Everything would be concise in one thread with each post 16 lines long. They last post in the thread would always be the current order/bids. Fairly simple.The main reason I suggested this is that it leaves all slots open based on market demand. They aren't influenced by the order nominated or scarcity. This should give you a true picture of the value of each slot between 16 unique owners.

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I don't think that will work. Say the guy in slot 6 bids 1.5 points to move to slot #1. The guy in slot #1 had 1.4 points, but now is in slot #6 at ???? points. If zero...then the bidding will NEVER end as the guy at #10 is sure to bid 0.1 to move up to 6, the guy at 15 0.1 to move to slot 10, etc. Then the guy who WAS at 1 bids 0.2 to move back to six. It will be a confusing mess, I think...UNLESS...Your bid does NOT change. If you bid 1.1 for slot one, and lose, then you still have 1.1 as your bid, REGARDLESS of what draft slot you currently hold. If you wish to move to another slot that has a current lower bid, 1.1 is your minimum bid for that slot.IE: SLot one (top pick) has a bid of 0.8, second slot has a bid of 0.6, third is at 0.4, fourth is also 0.4, tenth is 0.2. The guy in tenth slot bids 0.9 to take slot one. the guy who was at one is now in the ten slot with a 0.8 bid. He can immediately switch with slot two if he wishes, without bidding higher.To make that truly work, you could roll the dice as normal, assign the guy in #1 a 1.5, #2 a 1.4, etc. down to 0.0 for slot 16. People have to think hard about how much they want to bid to move up.Further, you could do this every round, keeping track of the final bids every round. At drafts end, we could add up the totals, and round them off to the nearest whole point.....that would make adjustments to Twilights rankings/scoring easy since it will be a whole number for everybody. It will make the draft take forever, but would be interesting!

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I just wanted to say that it took me reading this post 3 times until I finally got it. I think that we might be making this harder than it needs to be.

Some one needs to give up their spot to Lhucks. His excuse making for a poor draft spawned this league.