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Rick Gosselien's 2nd mock (1 Viewer)

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No., Team Player Pos. College

1. Oakland Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech

COMMENT: Say goodbye to Randy Moss

2. Detroit Gaines Adams DE Clemson

COMMENT: Best pass-rusher in the draft

3. Cleveland JaMarcus Russell QB LSU

COMMENT: Browns like his 85-yard arm

4. Tampa Bay Adrian Peterson HB Oklahoma

COMMENT: Bucs need more big plays on offense

5. Arizona Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin

COMMENT: LT Leonard Davis left in free agency

6. Washington LaRon Landry S LSU

COMMENT: Landry-Sean Taylor a stout safety combo

7. Minnesota Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame

COMMENT: Too much value to pass up

8. Atlanta Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas

COMMENT: DE Patrick Kerney left in free agency

9. Miami Amobi Okoye DT Louisville

COMMENT: DL Kevin Carter a salary-cap casualty

10. Houston Darrelle Revis CB Pittsburgh

COMMENT: Texans must play the Colts twice each year

11. San Francisco Adam Carriker DE Nebraska

COMMENT: DE Bryant Young getting up in years

12. Buffalo Leon Hall CB Michigan

COMMENT: CB Nate Clements left in free agency

13. St. Louis Robert Meachem WR Tennessee

COMMENT: Speed to complement WRs Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt

14. Carolina Patrick Willis MLB Mississippi

COMMENT: MLB Dan Morgan's concussions a concern

15. Pittsburgh Ben Grubbs G Auburn

COMMENT: Soft in middle with retirement of G Jeff Hartings

16. Green Bay Marshawn Lynch RB California

COMMENT: RB Ahman Green left in free agency

17. Jacksonville Reggie Nelson S Florida

COMMENT: Safety Deon Grant left in free agency

18. Cincinnati Alan Branch DT Michigan

COMMENT: Injecting 325 pounds into the run defense

19. Tennessee Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State

COMMENT: Need a kick returner with Pacman suspended

20. N.Y. Giants Levi Brown OT Penn State

COMMENT: LT Luke Petitgout a salary-cap casualty

21. Denver Jarvis Moss DE Florida

COMMENT: Pass-rushing help arrives

22. Dallas Michael Griffin S Texas

COMMENT: Best special-teamer in the draft

23. Kansas City Joe Staley OT Central Michigan

COMMENT: Chiefs struggled in 2006 without LT Willie Roaf

24. New England Lawrence Timmons OLB Florida State

COMMENT: An old LB corps gets younger

25. N.Y. Jets Aaron Ross CB Texas

COMMENT: Can't have enough ballhawks in the AFC

26. Philadelphia Jon Beason OLB Miami

COMMENT: Eagles need to replace all three linebackers

27. New Orleans Justin Harrell DT Tennessee

COMMENT: Beefing up NFL's 23rd-ranked run defense

28. New England Brandon Meriweather S Miami

COMMENT: Cover safeties are hard to find

29. Baltimore Dwayne Bowe WR LSU

COMMENT: Ravens get bigger, younger, better on the flank

30. San Diego Paul Posluszny MLB Penn State

COMMENT: ILB Donnie Edwards a salary-cap casualty

31. Chicago Greg Olsen TE Miami

COMMENT: Another weapon for QB Rex Grossman

32. Indianapolis Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State

COMMENT: Third WR Brandon Stokley left in free agency

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...ft.324c744.html

 
this mock has the eery "ring of truth" to it...

lots of mocks give WR to KC, but they have repeatedly shown they value the position differently from pundits... staley makes a ton of sense...

conversely, beason to PHI is flying in face of recent history that seems to indicate they don't value LB position as much as OL, & DL & DB on defense...

 
I would be pleasantly surprised if Brown fell to the Giants.

I would be shocked if TB took Peterson.

 
28. New England Brandon Meriweather S Miami

COMMENT: Cover safeties are hard to find

Sure thing, they avoid guys like this only to grab one in the First Round with a weapons incident AND a football incident.

This is a "needs based" mock. I struggle with reading these, they are just so useless :banned: , but it's fun to watch.

 
Made me wonder about the Meacham pick to St.Louis...Never thought they would go WR in the 1st after bringing in Bennett

 
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also looks like 5 WR in the first...Gonzales to the Colts ???

Would this make him the 3rd WR in rookie drafts...could make an arguement for number 2.

 
also looks like 5 WR in the first...Gonzales to the Colts ???Would this make him the 3rd WR in rookie drafts...could make an arguement for number 2.
I think so. I halfway expect the Colts to take a WR, and whoever it is is going to be a fast riser in rookie drafts.
 
I would like to see this mock after the draft.

With so many other areas that need addressing, I just can't see the Bears nabbing a TE in the 1st. Just my opinion, but I don't see it happening.

 
I would like to see this mock after the draft.With so many other areas that need addressing, I just can't see the Bears nabbing a TE in the 1st. Just my opinion, but I don't see it happening.
I think he does one more mock, either the day of or the day before the draft. If I remember correctly his hit and miss was about 50/50 in last years draft. Things always change when the drafting actually begins.
 
Made me wonder about the Meacham pick to St.Louis...Never thought they would go WR in the 1st after bringing in Bennett
was going to post the same thing. I'd think they'd have more needs on the other side of the ball. Then again, Bruce is probably gone after this season, and they lost not only Curtis but Shaun McDonald too. Whoever they draft could be the #3 WR next season.
 
I like Landry to Washington and its a pick I have adopted in the v2 of the 7 rounder.

I just dont see Buffalo passing on Willis for a CB.

Interesting that he has two of the guys rumored to be slipping, Nelson and Lynch, still in the mid first.

 
I like Landry to Washington and its a pick I have adopted in the v2 of the 7 rounder.I just dont see Buffalo passing on Willis for a CB.Interesting that he has two of the guys rumored to be slipping, Nelson and Lynch, still in the mid first.
It's just a tidbit from another forum and a poster without a link, but he says, Goose says, these early mocks are not real serious. He was imitated too much in the past, so his only serious mock is the one he publishes the morning of the draft. That made me laugh. It's one thing for front offices to put out smokescreens, but not mock drafters!! :bs:
 
Made me wonder about the Meacham pick to St.Louis...Never thought they would go WR in the 1st after bringing in Bennett
:bs: I'm with you
Guys, the Rams have been all over this WR class. They are very very interested in adding one of the top guys according to many of the connected types. Below are the WRs they have interviewed at various events or brought in for private workouts.Dwayne Bowe, Louisiana State, Ted Ginn Jr., Ohio State, Robert Meachem, Tennessee, Jason Hill, Washington State, Jacoby Jones, Lane, Aundrae Allison, East Carolina, Dallas Baker, Florida, Chris Davis, Florida State, Yamon Figurs, Kansas State, Ryne Robinson, Miami(OH), Mike Walker, Central Florida That's a bunch. They obviously perceive a need.
 
The most accurate guy out there.
I looked into Gosslein's mocks and his FINAL mock has been impressively accurate. But not his first or second mocks. So its not really interestng until we get his final.
I should change the deadline in my contest to "before Gosselin's final mock!!"
To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with mocks. Absolutely no-one gets them right well in advance of the draft, and even this guy, who apparently is the best of the best, only gets his right with his final mock a few days before the draft.
 
The most accurate guy out there.
I looked into Gosslein's mocks and his FINAL mock has been impressively accurate. But not his first or second mocks. So its not really interestng until we get his final.
I should change the deadline in my contest to "before Gosselin's final mock!!"
To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with mocks. Absolutely no-one gets them right well in advance of the draft, and even this guy, who apparently is the best of the best, only gets his right with his final mock a few days before the draft.
What else are we "die-hards" to do, outside of Frankinbean's "who's hottest"?
 
The most accurate guy out there.
I looked into Gosslein's mocks and his FINAL mock has been impressively accurate. But not his first or second mocks. So its not really interestng until we get his final.
I should change the deadline in my contest to "before Gosselin's final mock!!"
To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with mocks. Absolutely no-one gets them right well in advance of the draft, and even this guy, who apparently is the best of the best, only gets his right with his final mock a few days before the draft.
What else are we "die-hards" to do, outside of Frankinbean's "who's hottest"?
:lmao:
 
The most accurate guy out there.
I looked into Gosslein's mocks and his FINAL mock has been impressively accurate. But not his first or second mocks. So its not really interestng until we get his final.
I should change the deadline in my contest to "before Gosselin's final mock!!"
To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with mocks. Absolutely no-one gets them right well in advance of the draft, and even this guy, who apparently is the best of the best, only gets his right with his final mock a few days before the draft.
It's information and discussion. It's opinion and feedback. If you want them to be accurate, you will be disappointed. If you want deep knowledge of the rooks, the mock world, to my knowledge is the best way to get it. You could sit down and quietly study all the prospects without ever considering a mock, but it would be very boring (to me) and it doesn't take into account possible team needs (another study). Mocking combines both and keeps the information and conversation alive. Some people, are simply addicted to the whole idea of evaluating talent in order to create a better organization, football franchise, fantasy team, etc. I am.... utterly... hopelessly fascinated by the process.
 
Another mock that has Nelson to the Jags. Is this looking like a lock? I have him going there also but there seems to be no dissenting opinions. No WR?

 
The most accurate guy out there.
I looked into Gosslein's mocks and his FINAL mock has been impressively accurate. But not his first or second mocks. So its not really interestng until we get his final.
I should change the deadline in my contest to "before Gosselin's final mock!!"
To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with mocks. Absolutely no-one gets them right well in advance of the draft, and even this guy, who apparently is the best of the best, only gets his right with his final mock a few days before the draft.
It's information and discussion. It's opinion and feedback. If you want them to be accurate, you will be disappointed. If you want deep knowledge of the rooks, the mock world, to my knowledge is the best way to get it. You could sit down and quietly study all the prospects without ever considering a mock, but it would be very boring (to me) and it doesn't take into account possible team needs (another study). Mocking combines both and keeps the information and conversation alive. Some people, are simply addicted to the whole idea of evaluating talent in order to create a better organization, football franchise, fantasy team, etc. I am.... utterly... hopelessly fascinated by the process.
Ok. But all too often discussions don't flow in that direction around here. The most common result of any mock I've seen is either blind "thumbs up' statements or incessant personal attacks. Discussion is not to be found. I mean, let's look at the talk in here so far. A bunch of vague comments "I find it interesting that x happens." Someone posts a loco smilie for another pick. Someone is shocked that the Bucs take Peterson (no reason given why). This is conversation? No one is giving reasons for anything.
 
Another mock that has Nelson to the Jags. Is this looking like a lock? I have him going there also but there seems to be no dissenting opinions. No WR?
If the "lack of football smarts" rumor is true, and I suspect it is, then Nelson needs to play in a simplified secondary scheme. Does Jax qualify?
 
The most accurate guy out there.
I looked into Gosslein's mocks and his FINAL mock has been impressively accurate. But not his first or second mocks. So its not really interestng until we get his final.
I should change the deadline in my contest to "before Gosselin's final mock!!"
To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with mocks. Absolutely no-one gets them right well in advance of the draft, and even this guy, who apparently is the best of the best, only gets his right with his final mock a few days before the draft.
It's information and discussion. It's opinion and feedback. If you want them to be accurate, you will be disappointed. If you want deep knowledge of the rooks, the mock world, to my knowledge is the best way to get it. You could sit down and quietly study all the prospects without ever considering a mock, but it would be very boring (to me) and it doesn't take into account possible team needs (another study). Mocking combines both and keeps the information and conversation alive. Some people, are simply addicted to the whole idea of evaluating talent in order to create a better organization, football franchise, fantasy team, etc. I am.... utterly... hopelessly fascinated by the process.
Ok. But all too often discussions don't flow in that direction around here. The most common result of any mock I've seen is either blind "thumbs up' statements or incessant personal attacks. Discussion is not to be found. I mean, let's look at the talk in here so far. A bunch of vague comments "I find it interesting that x happens." Someone posts a loco smilie for another pick. Someone is shocked that the Bucs take Peterson (no reason given why). This is conversation? No one is giving reasons for anything.
All the good conversation is in PMs, but you have to make a couple mocks to get in the PM chain. :goodposting:
 
The most accurate guy out there.
I looked into Gosslein's mocks and his FINAL mock has been impressively accurate. But not his first or second mocks. So its not really interestng until we get his final.
I should change the deadline in my contest to "before Gosselin's final mock!!"
To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with mocks. Absolutely no-one gets them right well in advance of the draft, and even this guy, who apparently is the best of the best, only gets his right with his final mock a few days before the draft.
It's information and discussion. It's opinion and feedback. If you want them to be accurate, you will be disappointed. If you want deep knowledge of the rooks, the mock world, to my knowledge is the best way to get it. You could sit down and quietly study all the prospects without ever considering a mock, but it would be very boring (to me) and it doesn't take into account possible team needs (another study). Mocking combines both and keeps the information and conversation alive. Some people, are simply addicted to the whole idea of evaluating talent in order to create a better organization, football franchise, fantasy team, etc. I am.... utterly... hopelessly fascinated by the process.
While I agree with some of what you are saying CC, I happen to feel that mocks have become far to diluted and watered down. I think we could be better served if more time was spent actually breaking down the prospects and not just where they are going to end up. I know I lost interest in mocks about a month and a half ago. I never seem to loose interest in reading about the prospects. We have about 5 mocks thrown at us every day. I think it's a bit of overkill.
 
Another mock that has Nelson to the Jags. Is this looking like a lock? I have him going there also but there seems to be no dissenting opinions. No WR?
If the "lack of football smarts" rumor is true, and I suspect it is, then Nelson needs to play in a simplified secondary scheme. Does Jax qualify?
No.Last year they ran all different kinds of schemes. Deon Grant, when pressed about his years in Jacksonville by the Seattle media in his initial press conference, said, "With the system I've been in (Jacksonville), I might be playing strong one minute, the next I might be playing free," he said. "I might be in the box for 10 plays straight. The next minute I might be deep, might be playing cover-2. it really alternates back and forth, strong and free." He also noted that he felt comfortable and experienced in other coverages.Interesting note on Nelson. I hadn't heard that until this weekend.
 
The most accurate guy out there.
I looked into Gosslein's mocks and his FINAL mock has been impressively accurate. But not his first or second mocks. So its not really interestng until we get his final.
I should change the deadline in my contest to "before Gosselin's final mock!!"
To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with mocks. Absolutely no-one gets them right well in advance of the draft, and even this guy, who apparently is the best of the best, only gets his right with his final mock a few days before the draft.
It's information and discussion. It's opinion and feedback. If you want them to be accurate, you will be disappointed. If you want deep knowledge of the rooks, the mock world, to my knowledge is the best way to get it. You could sit down and quietly study all the prospects without ever considering a mock, but it would be very boring (to me) and it doesn't take into account possible team needs (another study). Mocking combines both and keeps the information and conversation alive. Some people, are simply addicted to the whole idea of evaluating talent in order to create a better organization, football franchise, fantasy team, etc. I am.... utterly... hopelessly fascinated by the process.
While I agree with some of what you are saying CC, I happen to feel that mocks have become far to diluted and watered down. I think we could be better served if more time was spent actually breaking down the prospects and not just where they are going to end up. I know I lost interest in mocks about a month and a half ago. I never seem to loose interest in reading about the prospects. We have about 5 mocks thrown at us every day. I think it's a bit of overkill.
the key is to be selective about whose mocks you read.
 
Made me wonder about the Meacham pick to St.Louis...Never thought they would go WR in the 1st after bringing in Bennett
:useless: I'm with you
Guys, the Rams have been all over this WR class. They are very very interested in adding one of the top guys according to many of the connected types. Below are the WRs they have interviewed at various events or brought in for private workouts.Dwayne Bowe, Louisiana State, Ted Ginn Jr., Ohio State, Robert Meachem, Tennessee, Jason Hill, Washington State, Jacoby Jones, Lane, Aundrae Allison, East Carolina, Dallas Baker, Florida, Chris Davis, Florida State, Yamon Figurs, Kansas State, Ryne Robinson, Miami(OH), Mike Walker, Central Florida That's a bunch. They obviously perceive a need.
As a Niner fan, I love the Ram focus on WRs.I just shake my head at what the team has done so far this offseason. This team should have won a poor NFC West last year, even with a miserable D. The talent on offense is top 3-4 in the league, but that Defense is horrible.So who do they give valuable cap room to? A WR3 and a TE. Who do they focus on in the draft? WRs.You improve this teams 31st ranked Run D, and the Rams are in the playoffs this season. What am I missing? Are the Rams team needs that hard to see? Gotta firm up that front 7!If I was a Rams fan, I'd be pretty pissedoff right now.
 
The most accurate guy out there.
I looked into Gosslein's mocks and his FINAL mock has been impressively accurate. But not his first or second mocks. So its not really interestng until we get his final.
I should change the deadline in my contest to "before Gosselin's final mock!!"
To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with mocks. Absolutely no-one gets them right well in advance of the draft, and even this guy, who apparently is the best of the best, only gets his right with his final mock a few days before the draft.
It's information and discussion. It's opinion and feedback. If you want them to be accurate, you will be disappointed. If you want deep knowledge of the rooks, the mock world, to my knowledge is the best way to get it. You could sit down and quietly study all the prospects without ever considering a mock, but it would be very boring (to me) and it doesn't take into account possible team needs (another study). Mocking combines both and keeps the information and conversation alive. Some people, are simply addicted to the whole idea of evaluating talent in order to create a better organization, football franchise, fantasy team, etc. I am.... utterly... hopelessly fascinated by the process.
While I agree with some of what you are saying CC, I happen to feel that mocks have become far to diluted and watered down. I think we could be better served if more time was spent actually breaking down the prospects and not just where they are going to end up. I know I lost interest in mocks about a month and a half ago. I never seem to loose interest in reading about the prospects. We have about 5 mocks thrown at us every day. I think it's a bit of overkill.
the key is to be selective about whose mocks you read.
Yes and also mocks with commentary tend to lead to discussion. If someone has made a "controversial" selection and includes a detailed reasoning then it easier to have banter than when one just has his listing of players and teams.
 
I think a TE with one TD last year will fit in nicely with the Bears.

I'd much prefer Lawrence Timmons or Jon Beason in Round One and Grubbs or Blalock in Round Two.

 
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And I too have Landry to the skins. My first mock in a couple months is almost ready.
I agree. I think the Falcons are going to be disappointed if they sit and wait for Landry. He's the 3rd best football player in the draft and the best defensive player.
 
No way do the Steelers draft a guard. I hope not at least.

Steelers need for OLB help is pretty darn near desperation. I love James Harrison, but he cannot even stay healthy when he is a spot start/situational guy. And if/when Harrison goes down there is nothing (and Haggans has the habit of missing a couple games a year on the other side).

Making the guard pick even worse of a prediction, he has the Steelers skipping out on drafting Levi Brown? Are you kidding me?

 
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The most accurate guy out there.
I looked into Gosslein's mocks and his FINAL mock has been impressively accurate. But not his first or second mocks. So its not really interestng until we get his final.
I should change the deadline in my contest to "before Gosselin's final mock!!"
To be honest, I don't understand the fascination with mocks. Absolutely no-one gets them right well in advance of the draft, and even this guy, who apparently is the best of the best, only gets his right with his final mock a few days before the draft.
It's information and discussion. It's opinion and feedback. If you want them to be accurate, you will be disappointed. If you want deep knowledge of the rooks, the mock world, to my knowledge is the best way to get it. You could sit down and quietly study all the prospects without ever considering a mock, but it would be very boring (to me) and it doesn't take into account possible team needs (another study). Mocking combines both and keeps the information and conversation alive. Some people, are simply addicted to the whole idea of evaluating talent in order to create a better organization, football franchise, fantasy team, etc. I am.... utterly... hopelessly fascinated by the process.
While I agree with some of what you are saying CC, I happen to feel that mocks have become far to diluted and watered down. I think we could be better served if more time was spent actually breaking down the prospects and not just where they are going to end up. I know I lost interest in mocks about a month and a half ago. I never seem to loose interest in reading about the prospects. We have about 5 mocks thrown at us every day. I think it's a bit of overkill.
Hey jurb, I have found myself agreeing with just about everything you "think" about this draft class. I think we watch the same college games every week. I agree with what you are saying here too. I took a long refreshing break from this place to avoid the overkill. Mocks, in that sense are too easy, and some solid player breakdowns and rankings would be more interesting to read and discuss. Duly noted and I am in draft-over-drive right now, and I will try to do that....eta IF I CAN EVER FINISH MY MOCK! :lmao:
 
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Wondering about this possible conspiracy theory:

6. Washington LaRon Landry S LSU

COMMENT: Landry-Sean Taylor a stout safety combo

24. New England Lawrence Timmons OLB Florida State

COMMENT: An old LB corps gets younger

Washington trades the #6 for the #24 and Asante Samuel.

I say this because I would think Timmons would be a better fit as OLB in a 43 than a 34 defense.

:goodposting:

 
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Gosselin does his mocks only by speaking with his contacts in the league. He doesn't study any of the players... doesn't watch any film, doesn't read anything about them, and generally doesn't let anything about the potential draft pick cloud his judgment of where they will be chosen.

His first mock (4/15) is done simply for the newspaper's benefit. He has said before in interviews that he doesn't like doing early mocks but is more or less forced into it by his superiors. The second mock (4/22) is done based on need more than anything. For this mock he will put some players in places where they will more than likely not end up (see Russell in Cleveland) for sh-ts and grins. The third mock (Fri/Sat of this week) is the one he really uses his good info to create. It obviously will be the most accurate being that it's right up to draft day. Look for quite a few changes between this week's mock and the real deal that will be unveiled this weekend.

Gosselin :lmao:

 
SteelerMurf said:
No way do the Steelers draft a guard. I hope not at least. Steelers need for OLB help is pretty darn near desperation. I love James Harrison, but he cannot even stay healthy when he is a spot start/situational guy. And if/when Harrison goes down there is nothing (and Haggans has the habit of missing a couple games a year on the other side).Making the guard pick even worse of a prediction, he has the Steelers skipping out on drafting Levi Brown? Are you kidding me?
I agree with your initial reaction, as it was mine as well. However, with Faneca leaving after this year(maybe sooner even), I think this could actually happen. There are questions about Levi Brown as well as the linebackers and DEs that are available at 15. It wouldn't be my first choice either, but stranger things have happened. :unsure:
 

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