apkballa
Footballguy
http://www.realgmfootball.com/src_wiretap_...calvin_johnson/Do you guys think a trade between the lions and the broncos will go down between now and the draft? Or is this just talk?
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Broncos want Calvin Johnson (1 Viewer)
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phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I don't believe anything right now
NoFBinLA
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First of all, everyone would like Calvin Johnson. So it isn't untrue so much as a shade of a lie.Which is to say, sure, he'd be a nice fit for a long time with Cutler.But I can't see the Broncos mortgaging the rest of the frakkin draft just to get him. It seems uncharacteristically daring and dangerous even for that team.I mean three picks (first day) and their first round next year? That's Millen-like in it's insanity. Unless they got something else back as well, IMO.We need a :smokescreen: smilie....
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I would say the Lions need a lot more considering they would fall from #2 to #21.First of all, everyone would like Calvin Johnson. So it isn't untrue so much as a shade of a lie.Which is to say, sure, he'd be a nice fit for a long time with Cutler.But I can't see the Broncos mortgaging the rest of the frakkin draft just to get him. It seems uncharacteristically daring and dangerous even for that team.I mean three picks (first day) and their first round next year? That's Millen-like in it's insanity. Unless they got something else back as well, IMO.We need a :smokescreen: smilie....
Donnybrook
Footballguy
According to the draft pick value table, Broncos picks would be worth 2335 pionts assuming the Broncos pick is the #16 in 2008.
The Lions #2 pick is worth 2600 points.
The Lions #2 pick is worth 2600 points.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I realize that the draft chart says don't do it, but that would be a great deal for the Lions IMO.
The lions are not 1 player away from making the playoffs, they are many. This would give them a lot of picks to fill much needed holes. If I was a lions fan I would love that trade because you could potentially add 4 starters.
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NoFBinLA
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You're probably right -- easy to get caught up in just the Denver side of things -- but yeah, that's a steep drop - I just think this would be too expensive for either side.But stranger things have happened....
wadegarrett
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
If I'm Detroit and Denver calls, I want Champ Bailey.
cstu
Footballguy
That trade could make Detroit into a contender by next season - with the big if being if they can draft well. With 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, with none of them having huge bonuses, they'd be set for quite awhile. The 1st next year probably won't be high (in the 20's most likely) but it would still be a good player who they won't have to pay a lot. Frankly, I just can't see the Broncos pulling the trigger giving up that much.The Scientist said:
3nOut
Footballguy
Who cares what the chart says? I think that the value table is over used and in many cases just wrong. I would jump at that deal if I were the Lions. I think its a great deal. Two firsts, a second, AND a thrid? Detroit needs a lot more than one player and WR is not as top priority there with Roy Williams there. Those four picks can help them more than just one player. As a Bears fan, I hope they blow their pick thoughDonnybrook said:
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Kinda Reminds me of the Tony Dorsett trade. I would pass.Who cares what the chart says? I think that the value table is over used and in many cases just wrong. I would jump at that deal if I were the Lions. I think its a great deal. Two firsts, a second, AND a thrid? Detroit needs a lot more than one player and WR is not as top priority there with Roy Williams there. Those four picks can help them more than just one player. As a Bears fan, I hope they blow their pick thoughDonnybrook said:
Ron_Mexico
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Banger said:
He'll go to Tampa.Family Matters
Footballguy
If, and I mean if the Broncos got CJ then Cutler's value would be very high. He's already a solid prospect after last year but you'd have to think he would jump to top 7 with CJ and Walker in the mix.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
... if Tampa trades up.I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that if the Raiders aren't just plain stupid they will either draft CJ and keep him or trade him on draft day (a la Eli Manning), or trade the pick to someone who wants him. There is just too much interest in him for them to leave him on the board and not get the value he could bring, and he SHOULD NOT still be on the board when the Lions' pick comes up.I said a week ago that TB will trade up with OAK to get CJ, and I still believe that.Banger said:He'll go to Tampa.
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From PFT:
POSTED 4:56 p.m. EDT, April 23, 2007
BRONCOS WANT JOHNSON
A reader tells us that there's a rumor being reported on 950 AM in Denver that the Broncos are trying to make a play for the No. 2 overall pick in the draft, in an effort to land receiver Calvin Johnson.
A source with knowledge of the discussions tells us that the rumor is dead-on accurate, and that an offer has been made by the Broncos to the Lions.
Per the rumor and based on what we've heard, the Broncos have offered their first-round, second-round, and third-round pick in the 2007 draft and their first-rounder in 2008 for the No. 2 spot.
The Lions, we're told, are concerned that the No. 21 overall spot would put them too low to land one of the players whom they covet. The Lions' goal in trading down is/has been to get more picks, and to still get one of the players they want, but at a lower salary slot.
So the deal might hinge on the ability of the Lions to line up another deal that would allow them to move back up a bit.
The Broncos hold the No. 21 overall pick in round one, the No. 56 overall pick (No. 24 in round two), and the No. 70 and No. 86 overall picks (No. 6 and No. 23, respectively, in round two). We don't know which of the third-rounders has been offered.
Under the trade chart, the deal might favor the Lions. But different teams value picks from the next year's draft differently; some teams downgrade the points by a full round, making a 2007 first-rounder the equivalent of a 2008 secon-rounder. The other problem here is that no one will know where the Broncos draft in round one until the 2007 season ends.
The entire deal would be contingent on the Raiders not drafting Calvin Johnson with the No. 1 overall pick. We're currently told that the Raiders are expected to strike a deal on a contract with quarterback JaMarcus Russell before Saturday.
However, the fact that former Raiders coach/current Broncos coach Mike Shanahan apparently has a bee in his butt for Johnson could cause Raiders owner Al Davis to think twice about whether he would prefer to have Johnson on his team -- or to have to face him twice per year.
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I don't want to give up that much for Johnson. BTW, that last part really makes me think that Shanny wants to force the raiders to pick him or trade the pick away for somebody else to get him.
POSTED 4:56 p.m. EDT, April 23, 2007
BRONCOS WANT JOHNSON
A reader tells us that there's a rumor being reported on 950 AM in Denver that the Broncos are trying to make a play for the No. 2 overall pick in the draft, in an effort to land receiver Calvin Johnson.
A source with knowledge of the discussions tells us that the rumor is dead-on accurate, and that an offer has been made by the Broncos to the Lions.
Per the rumor and based on what we've heard, the Broncos have offered their first-round, second-round, and third-round pick in the 2007 draft and their first-rounder in 2008 for the No. 2 spot.
The Lions, we're told, are concerned that the No. 21 overall spot would put them too low to land one of the players whom they covet. The Lions' goal in trading down is/has been to get more picks, and to still get one of the players they want, but at a lower salary slot.
So the deal might hinge on the ability of the Lions to line up another deal that would allow them to move back up a bit.
The Broncos hold the No. 21 overall pick in round one, the No. 56 overall pick (No. 24 in round two), and the No. 70 and No. 86 overall picks (No. 6 and No. 23, respectively, in round two). We don't know which of the third-rounders has been offered.
Under the trade chart, the deal might favor the Lions. But different teams value picks from the next year's draft differently; some teams downgrade the points by a full round, making a 2007 first-rounder the equivalent of a 2008 secon-rounder. The other problem here is that no one will know where the Broncos draft in round one until the 2007 season ends.
The entire deal would be contingent on the Raiders not drafting Calvin Johnson with the No. 1 overall pick. We're currently told that the Raiders are expected to strike a deal on a contract with quarterback JaMarcus Russell before Saturday.
However, the fact that former Raiders coach/current Broncos coach Mike Shanahan apparently has a bee in his butt for Johnson could cause Raiders owner Al Davis to think twice about whether he would prefer to have Johnson on his team -- or to have to face him twice per year.
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I don't want to give up that much for Johnson. BTW, that last part really makes me think that Shanny wants to force the raiders to pick him or trade the pick away for somebody else to get him.
trader jake
Footballguy
1) PFT is now "confirming" this story
2) Dropping to #21 isn't that big a deal. If the Lions really like a top 15 player they can always trade back up and get their guy. The Skins did this years ago after trading down with the Saints...and they ended up getting Champ Bailey.
2) Dropping to #21 isn't that big a deal. If the Lions really like a top 15 player they can always trade back up and get their guy. The Skins did this years ago after trading down with the Saints...and they ended up getting Champ Bailey.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Of course Shanahan wants Calvin Johnson. He's probably the only WR that he could draft without ####### up.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Champ Bailey is 29. How many more years of elite status do you really think he has? 4? 5? How many CBs stay effective in their mid 30s?It's a sell high strategy.
apkballa
Footballguy
I agree.
cstu said:Not good for EEEEEEEEEEE owners though.
Yeah, what's Bloom's take on this rumor anyway.Every team in the league should want Calvin Johnson. That's not news. What IS news is hearing some of what Denver has reportedly offered for the right to move up and get him. Denver with Cutler, Henry, Walker, C. Johnson and Graham would be FIERCE from the standpoint of offensive skill positions. If that happened and I were in the AFC West....AND the team keeps both Bailey and Bly, I'd be 
jurb26
Footballguy
No, I'd just run right at them up the gut and keep that O off the field as well as the ball away from ball hawking CBs.cstu said:Not good for EEEEEEEEEEE owners though.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Who'd be stupid enough to trade Champ Bailey? Especially for a RB and give up a high pick?Snotbubbles said:
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Davis has been involved in drafts forever. He'll make his decisions based on what the thinks will make his team better, not anything Shanahan is saying or doing. To think there's all this intrigue going on between those two guys is just nonsense.
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Trading up should not be too hard. There are more teams wanting to trade down that up. The Redskins could be a good candidate for the Redskins to trade up. And the Redskins have shown that they like to wheel and deal and have no problems getting into three way trades.
redman
Footballguy
Sure, I mean what you see is what you get with Allen, right?
redman
Footballguy
Unless the Redskins are dealing players (unlikely) I don't think they've got the goods to trade up.
Or to make him think he is goading him into taking CJ so he doesn't take CJ and trade with TBAY (which could enable Davis to rebuild very quickly) and of course Davis thinks this is what Shanahan is thinking too so then Al won't think that is really what Shanahan is thinking so therefore...........
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I guess I wasn't clear. If the Lions trade down to No. 21, they should have no problems finding a trading partner to get back up. The Redskins could be a good candidate. I was trying to figure out if the Redskins would be happy at No. 21. They may be, since there is supposed to be good depth at DE in the draft.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I just enjoyed calling something you had to say nonsense Redman.Sure, I mean what you see is what you get with Allen, right?
Who is Allen? Is that Al's name? I always thought it was Alvin.
redman
Footballguy
I originally typed "Albert" before I looked it up and found Wiki saying his name was Allen.I just enjoyed calling something you had to say nonsense Redman.Sure, I mean what you see is what you get with Allen, right?
As for the nonsense crack, get in line. 
redman
Footballguy
Gotcha. I'd love if they did something like that, but I'm skeptical. The value in this draft, outside of the top two picks, is in the lower half of the first through the third, and maybe lower . . . precisely the part of the draft the 'Skins are trying to move into. I'm not sure they're going to have a lot of luck trading down unless their 1.06 rolls around on draft day with Quinn or Peterson still on the board.
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