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1.24: Who Should The New England Patriots Take? (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Michael Griffin
Boston
Footballguy
The Pats biggest needs are in the back eight of their defense.
*CB-If Samuel is coming back long term than depth is needed to go along with Samuel, Hobbs, James and Gay. If it's a one and done situation with Samuel than his replacement could be obtained in this draft. If a deal is in the works for a draft day move involving Samuel than CB goes right to the head of the class.
*Safety-Rodney is still a big time player when he's on the field...the problem is he hasn't been on it too often. What he brings to the table is invaluable to the Patriot D. It's a different D when he's there. They need to groom his heir. Also, Eugene Wilson is an enigma who I could see shifiting to CB. Sanders is OK but I'm not comfortable with him as a starter. This is an area that definetly needs some love on draft day.
*LB-I think this is the draft we find out if the Pats will not draft a LB high. If they don't use a day one pick on a LB this year they may never use one. The x-factor here is where will Vrabel be playing. If he's outside that gives the Pats Thomas-Vrabel-Colvin which means the inside will really need some help. If he's moving inside than both areas could use some depth.
Other areas that could be looked at:
*D-Line-With Seymour-Wilfork-Warren-Green-Wright the Pats are in great shape here. Yet, like pitching in baseball you can never have enough D-Linemen in football and this area is always in play with the Pats on draft day.
*O-Tackle-The question is...are the Pats sold that either Kaczur or OC are the long term answer at RT. If not they could dip into the trenches for a pick.
*WR-I realy hope the Pats don't go WR but with Welker and Chad Jackson the only WRs signed after 2007 this could be a possibility.
If Leon Hall starts to slide I could see the Pats making a play for him. If not Griffin looks like a serious candidate to join the Pats secondary (and special teams) and I'd be pretty happy with that.
*CB-If Samuel is coming back long term than depth is needed to go along with Samuel, Hobbs, James and Gay. If it's a one and done situation with Samuel than his replacement could be obtained in this draft. If a deal is in the works for a draft day move involving Samuel than CB goes right to the head of the class.
*Safety-Rodney is still a big time player when he's on the field...the problem is he hasn't been on it too often. What he brings to the table is invaluable to the Patriot D. It's a different D when he's there. They need to groom his heir. Also, Eugene Wilson is an enigma who I could see shifiting to CB. Sanders is OK but I'm not comfortable with him as a starter. This is an area that definetly needs some love on draft day.
*LB-I think this is the draft we find out if the Pats will not draft a LB high. If they don't use a day one pick on a LB this year they may never use one. The x-factor here is where will Vrabel be playing. If he's outside that gives the Pats Thomas-Vrabel-Colvin which means the inside will really need some help. If he's moving inside than both areas could use some depth.
Other areas that could be looked at:
*D-Line-With Seymour-Wilfork-Warren-Green-Wright the Pats are in great shape here. Yet, like pitching in baseball you can never have enough D-Linemen in football and this area is always in play with the Pats on draft day.
*O-Tackle-The question is...are the Pats sold that either Kaczur or OC are the long term answer at RT. If not they could dip into the trenches for a pick.
*WR-I realy hope the Pats don't go WR but with Welker and Chad Jackson the only WRs signed after 2007 this could be a possibility.
If Leon Hall starts to slide I could see the Pats making a play for him. If not Griffin looks like a serious candidate to join the Pats secondary (and special teams) and I'd be pretty happy with that.
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massraider
Footballguy
Why is "need" playing into this?
Boston
Footballguy
I agree that with the Pats you never know what they'll do and quite often they don't draft for need. Yet, when you're trying to figure out what they'll do it only makes sense to look at their weakest areas if there's quality talent available.
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Green and Gold
Footballguy
BPA regardless of need. The best way to predict the Pats, imo, is to pick 2 players from positions they don't need and draft them. So, clearly it will be TE and DT.
nerangers
Footballguy
The Patriots also tend to evaluate talent a little different, and the player must be a good fit right from the start.
I think the pick will be S Michael Griffin if he is there. I know some have Brandon Meriweather, but I think the off-the-field antics will keep him out of a Patriot uniform.
It is possible that the Patriots go LB, but I think they are eyeing LB David Harris at 28th.
I think the pick will be S Michael Griffin if he is there. I know some have Brandon Meriweather, but I think the off-the-field antics will keep him out of a Patriot uniform.
It is possible that the Patriots go LB, but I think they are eyeing LB David Harris at 28th.
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jgb95
Footballguy
Why NER?Becuase PFT says so?
Where is the report coming from?
I never trust the scuttle that comes out right before the draft. I'd rather them trade down and get Harris if they really want him.
Boston
Footballguy
I think people maybe somewhat exaggerating the BPA theory with the Pats in the first round. They're also no stranger to filling needs with their #1's as well. IMO it's a combination of both philosophies. The Pats are not reaching for a position but the position addressed usually needs a little help as well and they are finding players worthy of their draft position. A look at #1's under Pioli/BB shows only one surefire BPA (Watson) as all the other picks addressed areas of need as well.
Richard Seymour-Prior to this draft the whole team was one giant need but Seymour definetly addressed a major hole.
Daniel Graham-Pats traded up to address a definite weakness as Wiggins and Rutledge weren't getting it done.
Ty Warren-When he was drafted there were thoughts he would be a NT which was a major hole. After realizing that was not his best position in camp the Pats traded for Ted Washington and Warren became Bobby Hamilton's replacement.
Vince Wilfork-Filled a need since Big Ted had left. Yet in all fairness he also fell into their lap as he wasn't expected to be available at #21.
Ben Watson-Definite BPA.
Logan Mankins-Filled void left by Andruzzi leaving and staterd his rookie year. The surprise with Mankins is not many knew who he was.
Laurence Maroney-Drafted as heir apparent which is what he has become. Dillon aging and having a bad 2005 made this a very nice fit.
Richard Seymour-Prior to this draft the whole team was one giant need but Seymour definetly addressed a major hole.
Daniel Graham-Pats traded up to address a definite weakness as Wiggins and Rutledge weren't getting it done.
Ty Warren-When he was drafted there were thoughts he would be a NT which was a major hole. After realizing that was not his best position in camp the Pats traded for Ted Washington and Warren became Bobby Hamilton's replacement.
Vince Wilfork-Filled a need since Big Ted had left. Yet in all fairness he also fell into their lap as he wasn't expected to be available at #21.
Ben Watson-Definite BPA.
Logan Mankins-Filled void left by Andruzzi leaving and staterd his rookie year. The surprise with Mankins is not many knew who he was.
Laurence Maroney-Drafted as heir apparent which is what he has become. Dillon aging and having a bad 2005 made this a very nice fit.
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Boston
Footballguy
Agreed. On paper their needs and what should be available seem to be a nice match. Their should he solid prospects at CB, S and LB when they're on the clock.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If the Patriots trade out of 28 (who ever heard of trading out of the 28th spot?), depending on how far, you're not going to get Harris. Heck, he may not even be available at 28. With the shortage of good MLB's in this draft, Harris' stock is climbing. And rightfully so, too, IMO. He's like Posluszny in that he's not flashy, but is a footballer.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I'd really love it if they got Posluzny if he's there.
Boston
Footballguy
AD-What's your take on Stewart Bradley? The Pats have been sniffing around him and if they were to trade down or up into the second it seems like he'd probably be available.
Boston
Footballguy
I know the Pats have been looking hard at the Michigan defenders (I believe Dean Pees has made a visit to Ann Arbor). The question is are they eying Harris, Hall or Woodley.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
From what I can tell, he'd make a good OLB in the 3-4. He got some experience playing DE a bit at Nebraska, so I assume that can only help him.He's likely a 2nd rounder for someone.
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Marc Faletti
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As a Longhorn, I hope he grows into becoming a consistent player, but based on what he showed during his time at UT, I would be scared to take Griffin in the 1st. He makes big plays happen -- for both teams. As I mentioned in another thread, the tape from this past year's Nebraska game might scare anyone off of him. Among other things, he misplayed a tackle so badly the play turned from a 15 yard curl into an 80 yard TD. He misses too many plays like that for me to take him over Meriweather, especially. But again, here's hoping he overcomes.
Mahoney
Footballguy
This demonstrates a trend and it holds consistent with Belichicks philosophy. It is that the most improtant guys on both sides of the football are the guys in the trenches. By far. Cornerbacks are important but in a typical game they may have 6-10 plays the entire game come to them. DL is involved in a major way in every single snap. Same with OL/TE on the other side of the ball.I'd like to see them add some young studs to the secondary. They are pretty injury prone back there and has hurt them in the last couple seasons down the stretch. I think they are impossible to predict unless a blue chipper falls to them. With Thomas, Bruschi, Vrabel and Colvin I'd be shocked if they drafted LB on day 1.I think they'll draft an OL/TE, and/or DL with thier first two picks. There is no sense picking names. Ty Warren, Logan Mankins, Ben Watson, and Daniel Graham had never been spoken of beforehand, no reason to think they guys they draft this year will be, but I'll know they are great football players.
nerangers
Footballguy
You are right that there is so much out right before the draft, it is hard to tell what is fact, and what is fiction. The info from PFT ends up on Patriots.com as well as Boston.com, which are the two sites I do Frequent. Since I don't have a subscription to PFT, I am already seeing there info second hand. (Note: might have been confusing PFT with PFW (aka Patriot Football Weekly).I have seen a few mocks also moving him up into the first round, and many people comparing him as the next DeMeco Ryans in this draft.jgb95 said:
From nfldraftcountdown.com
If he is a true second rounder, the Pats could reach for him. If he is a fourth rounder, the Pats could grab him in the third. Like all drafts though, no one really knows what the Pats will do.
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massraider
Footballguy
Just for your own info, Scott Wright at NFLDC changed his mock after the PFT report as well.
Mr. Pink
Footballguy
I just don't believe the Pats will spend a 1st rounder on a LB, but admittedly I am liking the Timmons call more and more.
Word around here (which is mostly speculation by the local media) is the Pats don't see the value in the second half of the first round. That draws two conclusions:
1) They package both picks to move up into the top ten with the hope of landing LaRon Landry. Or..
2) They trade back from at least one of their 1st round positions. Probably the 24th since that is more attractive.
Word around here (which is mostly speculation by the local media) is the Pats don't see the value in the second half of the first round. That draws two conclusions:
1) They package both picks to move up into the top ten with the hope of landing LaRon Landry. Or..
2) They trade back from at least one of their 1st round positions. Probably the 24th since that is more attractive.
Domination
Footballguy
The Pats seem to like to ensure that their lines are solid, and I think their pick will be Blaylock. I think he would fill their need at RT. I think that Woodley would be a perfect fit for them in the 3rd.
Boston
Footballguy
Here's what the "experts" are predicting:
http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=...733&pcid=41
http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=...733&pcid=41
Mr. Pink
Footballguy
If the Pats stick with pick #24, it seems Nelson makes the most sense. He has the talent and fills the need. I just read up some on Griffin and concur with a previous poster who follows the Horns. The tendency to give up big plays is a concern and probably won't endear him to the Pats braintrust.
I'm going against conventional wisdom and say the Pats do not draft a DB in round 1. They have done very well plucking guys like Samuel and an undrafted Gay after the first round and I don't see any elite db's like Landry, Hall or Revis being there at #24. So assuming they don't consider the remaining db's as good a value as other positions on the board here's my picks on where they go:
#24 Anthony Spencer, if he's still there I'm convinced he's their guy assuming an unexpected slide of Revis or ?
#24 other options if Spencer is gone: Staley, Blalock, Harris or trade down
#28 Anthony Gonzalez, Even though we added some wr help I see us taking another weapon here.
#28 other options: Steve Smith, Blalock, Harris, or of course trade down
#24 Anthony Spencer, if he's still there I'm convinced he's their guy assuming an unexpected slide of Revis or ?
#24 other options if Spencer is gone: Staley, Blalock, Harris or trade down
#28 Anthony Gonzalez, Even though we added some wr help I see us taking another weapon here.
#28 other options: Steve Smith, Blalock, Harris, or of course trade down
Workhorse
Footballguy
Imagine Ed Reed on the Patriots. I think that's the kind of career Landry might have in the Patriots system. I'd easily deal both #1s for a player like that.
Davej626
5.56 solves all
Fact of the matter is that other than a guess in the dark, there isn't anyway we nail what they will do. But I think (or guess) that it will be something like this:
At the top of the draft, there will be confusion as trades happen and there is one blue chip prospect that is falling. Teams will be falling over themselves to land that prospect. As a result, a mid round pick will be used on that prospect. Like any waterfall, that causes a mid round prospect to fall into the top of the 20s. If its a secondary player, then chances are the Pats will take this player as its a need, a BPA, and value. The only way they may not do that is if there are character issues.
The second pick is interesting. It depends if those LBs are still there or not. I think there is a real good chance of them trading back into the second and getting a high pick next year (like another 2nd).
But, like i said, its a crap shoot. BB said that their phone was ringing with a number of teams looking to move back and the Pats to move up. He was non-committal as if they wanted to do that...
At the top of the draft, there will be confusion as trades happen and there is one blue chip prospect that is falling. Teams will be falling over themselves to land that prospect. As a result, a mid round pick will be used on that prospect. Like any waterfall, that causes a mid round prospect to fall into the top of the 20s. If its a secondary player, then chances are the Pats will take this player as its a need, a BPA, and value. The only way they may not do that is if there are character issues.
The second pick is interesting. It depends if those LBs are still there or not. I think there is a real good chance of them trading back into the second and getting a high pick next year (like another 2nd).
But, like i said, its a crap shoot. BB said that their phone was ringing with a number of teams looking to move back and the Pats to move up. He was non-committal as if they wanted to do that...
Belichick is smart. He keeps taking players on the line of scrimmage high. In a TE and DT, that's two more high picks spent on the line. Great job on his part. He understands the game.
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Boston
Footballguy
I hear ya about the first scenario. A guy I could see fitting this scenario is Leon Hall. He seems to be all over the map right now and if he starts sliding (and the Pats don't plan on Samuel being around long term) he could be a guy they deal up a few spots to nab.
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed and I will never have an issue going after the trenches. You win or lose there. The reason why this year has a chance to be different is because all their line players on both sides of the ball are signed long term (as well as being young). Outside of RT (depending on what the Pats feel about Kazcur and OC) there isn't a hole in the trenches. Yet, since you can never have enough talent in that area it shouldn't surprise anyone if the Pats still go back to the well and nab a big guy or two.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Lynch being available is a scenario I've wondered about. I want the Pats to add another RB but I'm not sure using a #1 on one is the best fit both short and long term. My guess is if Lynch is available at #24 the Pats will be taking a lot of calls as far as making a deal.
I don't disagree with this but I don't know how pressing the need is. They lost several players to injury last spring/summer. While during 2006 I sure felt they needed more DBs, now that they're healthy....I don't know. Many people have forgotten just how many DBs are on their roster.(not nec Boston)http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=...s&print=yes
Their depth chart isn't exactly lacking some good players a DB
http://www.patriots.com/depthchart.cfm
They need to "get younger" no doubt but there's a dramatic difference between what's on their roster NOW and what was on their active roster in 2006.
I'm very torn on their LBers. I have never liked that BB+Pioli don't feel that a rookie LBer can contribute quickly enough in their complex system and that whole shpeal but it's worked very well for them. I rrrrrrrreally want them to pair up some young budding star with Seau and Bruschi while he has a chance to learn from two of the better LBers over the last so many years.(Bruschi may be homerism here but so what) Then again I feel like, why is it OK to get a rookie now but not in previous years? Also if they want young guys with experience, why did Banta Cain walk?
Due to his dad, I wonder if Carpenter watched more tapes of BBs Giants D than any college player ever. After developping an interest, what other BB D's did he watch? Despite a wealth of talent and love/respect for BB Ds, he wasn't the exception to the rule re rookie LBers so who is going to be this year? I can't wrap my head around the logic here.
As always though in BB "we" trust, I guess.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
I also see the Pats trading one of their firsts to recoup the 2nd the spent on Welker.
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