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anybody else real nervous about LJ? (1 Viewer)

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Ok I own him, but this is not a should I trade.

Getting real nervous

Damon Huard?? He stunk when he was on the dolphins, is not the vetran like Green.

Another HOF lineman gone, did NOT draft 1 lineman.

outside of Tony G, no real recievers for the semi decent new QB to throw to.

I'm not buying into Herm as a negative, just wondering what type of dropoff to expect.

1190/ rushing 9tds (rushing)

450 recieving 3 rec td's

huh?

 
I am onboard the train and expecting the trainwreck.

But he is still being taken as the third pick in almost every draft I see. I don't understand it. Is a down year still third overall?

 
I have him as a very "cheap" keeper. So, he's definitely staying on my team. But, I'm expecting a lot less this year. I think he still finishes in the top 5 RB's, but, I'm reeeeeal nervous.

3rd pick overall in most mocks. Sounds crazy, but, who would you put in front of him?

LT

SJax

LJ

Gore

SA

Portis

Brown

After LT, questions arise for all of them.

 
Sputnikv8 said:
I have him as a very "cheap" keeper. So, he's definitely staying on my team. But, I'm expecting a lot less this year. I think he still finishes in the top 5 RB's, but, I'm reeeeeal nervous.

3rd pick overall in most mocks. Sounds crazy, but, who would you put in front of him?

LT

SJax

LJ

Gore

SA

Portis

Brown

After LT, questions arise for all of them.
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All of them.
 
FWP, Addai, maybe Edge too.... The loss of offensive talent aside, LJ is also unhappy and has been mentioned in several trade rumours (I know rumours are just rumours, but still - how many guys have emerged from an offseason like that, under a coach they don't like, and gone on to have huge seasons?). He's almost an automatic top 10 RB just because he gets the vast majority of his team's carries, but you've got to expect, at the very least, that his numbers drop off significantly.

I'd sell high with Johnson right now for sure. The way Edwards uses his RB's + the way Johnson runs, he's likely to hit the wall like Eddie George did in the next couple of years. The good news is if you do decide to keep him, and he maintains his numbers, you know for sure the guy is a true stud and not just a product of Vermeil/Saunders/Roaf/Shields/Waters/etc.

 
Sputnikv8 said:
I have him as a very "cheap" keeper. So, he's definitely staying on my team. But, I'm expecting a lot less this year. I think he still finishes in the top 5 RB's, but, I'm reeeeeal nervous.

3rd pick overall in most mocks. Sounds crazy, but, who would you put in front of him?

LT

SJax

LJ

Gore

SA

Portis

Brown

After LT, questions arise for all of them.
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Very "cheap" Keeper here as well. Went into the draft last year with LJ as an even CHEAPER keeper and parlayed that into a championship. While the stars are not lined up for LJ to have a banner year in KC, I think the Chiefs do ride him all year, keeping him from falling out of the top 10.It's a shame that the team has fallen into a rebuilding mode just as LJ had broken out as a stud...

...Maybe it's karma. :lmao:

Maybe they'll trade him. :crossesfingers:

 
I just reviewed the Chiefs present roster and they have :

9 Offensive Tackles

2 Centers

2 Offensive Guards

listed.

The Colts have :

7 Offensive Tackles

2 Centers

6 Offensive Guards

listed.

The Giants have :

4 Offensive Tackles

2 Centers

5 Offensive Guards

listed.

I have not done an exhaustive search of all the NFL teams, but this really seems wacky to me that the Chiefs only have two Guards presently active especially in lieu of losing Shields. Any ideas from the local folks?

 
Giggity said:
I'm worried he'll only get 1,600/16 instead of his normal 1,750/19.
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The Td's are probably high but if he gets around 400 carries again he should get 1600. I'd guess he'll get more like 1450-1500 and 12-13. I just don't see alot to like on KC besides LJ.
 
Even if it is a "down year" i would still expect 1700 total yards and 14 TD's. I put his ceiling at 2100 yards and 20 TD's, but i would bet he finishes somewhere in between.

He lost more than just a guard last year and was supposed to have a down year, if those are his down years, things are pretty good for LJ owners.

 
Burning Sensation said:
Even if it is a "down year" i would still expect 1700 total yards and 14 TD's. I put his ceiling at 2100 yards and 20 TD's, but i would bet he finishes somewhere in between.He lost more than just a guard last year and was supposed to have a down year, if those are his down years, things are pretty good for LJ owners.
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He set a record for carries last year to offset the loses around him. I'm not sure we should expect the same this year.
 
More ignorance.

The offensive line is BETTER. McIntosh > Black, Welbourne = Shields, Terry > Turley.

Bowe, Kennison > Parker, Kennison

 
I was high on LJ last year despite all his loses. Some people are down on LJ every year, but I just wanna put up this disclaimer that I'm not one of them.

With that said, this year I am down on LJ. Nothing good can come of that many carries. I'm staying away from him, but IMO he'll still put up decent numbers. Just not top 1600/16 numbers. If he falls, take him. But in the top of the first round, I'd be wary.

 
Burning Sensation said:
Even if it is a "down year" i would still expect 1700 total yards and 14 TD's. I put his ceiling at 2100 yards and 20 TD's, but i would bet he finishes somewhere in between.He lost more than just a guard last year and was supposed to have a down year, if those are his down years, things are pretty good for LJ owners.
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:link: I don't know how I keep getting so lucky in these down years with LJ. Maybe one day he'll start producing. :thumbup:
 
jurb26 said:
Burning Sensation said:
Even if it is a "down year" i would still expect 1700 total yards and 14 TD's. I put his ceiling at 2100 yards and 20 TD's, but i would bet he finishes somewhere in between.He lost more than just a guard last year and was supposed to have a down year, if those are his down years, things are pretty good for LJ owners.
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He set a record for carries last year to offset the loses around him. I'm not sure we should expect the same this year.
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He may get a few less carries, but not in the redzone. LJ is only 27, and has only been the starter for 2 years, he has plenty of carries left in him.Also, i dont think the O-line is any worse than last year, and Bowe should help the WR corps.
 
smot^poker said:
Ok I own him, but this is not a should I trade.Getting real nervousDamon Huard?? He stunk when he was on the dolphins, is not the vetran like Green.Another HOF lineman gone, did NOT draft 1 lineman.outside of Tony G, no real recievers for the semi decent new QB to throw to.I'm not buying into Herm as a negative, just wondering what type of dropoff to expect.1190/ rushing 9tds (rushing)450 recieving 3 rec td'shuh?
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1. Huard is 34, so he IS a veteran. Not only is a veteran, he had the 2nd best passer rating in the AFC last season2. They DID draft a lineman, see the 6th round pick.3. Eddie Kennison not a real WR.....he only had 1K yard seasons 2 out of the last 3 seasons. Dwayne Bowe not a real WR? Then why did EVERY MOCK DRAFT have him going in the 1st round. That is like saying Brady Quinn is not a REAL QB.
 
jurb26 said:
Burning Sensation said:
Even if it is a "down year" i would still expect 1700 total yards and 14 TD's. I put his ceiling at 2100 yards and 20 TD's, but i would bet he finishes somewhere in between.He lost more than just a guard last year and was supposed to have a down year, if those are his down years, things are pretty good for LJ owners.
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He set a record for carries last year to offset the loses around him. I'm not sure we should expect the same this year.
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SJAX had as many touches, should we expect his numbers to drop also?
 
Giggity said:
jurb26 said:
Burning Sensation said:
Even if it is a "down year" i would still expect 1700 total yards and 14 TD's. I put his ceiling at 2100 yards and 20 TD's, but i would bet he finishes somewhere in between.He lost more than just a guard last year and was supposed to have a down year, if those are his down years, things are pretty good for LJ owners.
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He set a record for carries last year to offset the loses around him. I'm not sure we should expect the same this year.
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SJAX had as many touches, should we expect his numbers to drop also?
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Yes, it seems rather obvious that St.L drafted Leonard to relieve some of the pressure off of Jackson. I don't think there will be a drop in the rushing attempts, but the 90 receptions should drop to about 50 IMO. Leonard is a very good receiving RB as well as a pass blocker. I'd expect him to get a fair amount of 3rd down work.
 
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smot^poker said:
Ok I own him, but this is not a should I trade.

Getting real nervous

Damon Huard?? He stunk when he was on the dolphins, is not the vetran like Green.

Another HOF lineman gone, did NOT draft 1 lineman.

outside of Tony G, no real recievers for the semi decent new QB to throw to.

I'm not buying into Herm as a negative, just wondering what type of dropoff to expect.

1190/ rushing 9tds (rushing)

450 recieving 3 rec td's

huh?
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yes they did.as an LJ owner, I'm not worried. Reports are that Shaffer wants out of Cleveland, since they drafted J Thomas..perhaps the Chiefs sign him. They grabbed Turley last season, when no one else wanted him, and he did well , considering he was underweight ( for an O-lineman) to begin the season.

I think the Chiefs will sign an O-lineman who gets cut from another team, in June.Their O-line isn't that bad ..Huard is one of the most underrated QB's out there! the guy had 11 tds with just 1 int, in 10 games and a 60.1 comp percentage.

people need to stop burying the guy already! He's a solid QB, knows the offense like the back of his hand. Don't want to jinx the guy, but I remember a LOT of people saying Rich Ganon was nothing more than a career backup, a 'never-has-been', an also-ran. He went on to become the NFLs MVP for 2002...

that isn't to say Huard is going to do the same, but I think you'd be foolish to disregard his achievements last season,esp. when you consider that Green went down in week 1, the O-line was a mess early on, etc...in huards 11 starts, LJ ran for 6 100+ yard games, only blemish was him stubbing his toe vs. the Steelers , when he ran for 26 yards on 15 carries. He didn't do well against AZ, but, he still managed 106 rec yards and 1 TD in that game...

here's the BIGGEST reason to love LJ in '07:

he's set to become a F/a in 2008, and is likely to put up HUGE numbers in hopes of securing a FAT contract , either with KC or elsewhere.

Listen, you'd have MUCH more to worry about,if you had Frank Gore...he lost his offensive coordinator,and

he was replaced by a first time NFL OC. oh, and Gore is as brittle as they come..

relax, sit back,and watch LJ rush for 1700+ yards and nearly 20 tds,yet again. Herm sucks, but the guy LOVES to run the ball!!

 
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The Jacket said:
More ignorance.The offensive line is BETTER. McIntosh > Black, Welbourne = Shields, Terry > Turley.Bowe, Kennison > Parker, Kennison
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yep...although Terry is probably gone....that is, if the cops can find him.
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I'm not sure I agree Welbourne=Sheilds, but even if I did what was the last season Welbourne played an entire season? 2000? When was the last time Shileds missed a game? None going all the way back to '93. I'm guessing they still miss Shields plenty.
 
I just started to get back into fantasy football, after taking 3 months off. from what i understand is that the o-line is worst than last year. Which was the same thing said last year IIRC. He may end up doing a bit worst than last year, but still put up good numbers. no worst than top 6th, but for that to happen they may have to use Gonzalez more as a blocker. so if its true that the O-line is not going to be as good as last year (and they said last year that it got worst. IIRC) i see more Gonzalez suffering more than LJ.

 
March 17, 2007, 10:28

Chiefs :: RB

RB Michael Bennett To Carry Ball 100+ Times

KCChiefs.com - [Full Article]

According to Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herman Edwards, veteran RB Michael Bennett will be an important part of the offense this season and should finish with more than 100 carries on the season if he stays healthy. Edwards believes that starting RB Larry Johnson carried the ball too much in 2006 and would like to cut those carries back a little in 2007.

This is what I don't get with some owners. The coaches in SF, KC and Washignton have all came out and said they plan on getting the back up rb more involved to save their lead backs but for some reason Portis is the only one getting put into a RBBC.

LJ is coming off of the most touches in NFL history. History has shown us that 3 out of 3 times so far when a rb gets 400 carries the next year they wear down

Here are the #'s for Eddie George, Jamal Anderson and Eric Dickerson (in that order)

+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1996 hou | 16 | 335 1368 4.1 8 | 23 182 7.9 0 |

| 1997 ten | 16 | 357 1399 3.9 6 | 7 44 6.3 1 |

| 1998 ten | 16 | 348 1294 3.7 5 | 37 310 8.4 1 |

| 1999 ten | 16 | 320 1304 4.1 9 | 47 458 9.7 4 |

| 2000 ten | 16 | 403 1509 3.7 14 | 50 453 9.1 2 |

| 2001 ten | 16 | 315 939 3.0 5 | 37 279 7.5 0 |

| 2002 ten | 16 | 343 1165 3.4 12 | 36 255 7.1 2 |

| 2003 ten | 16 | 312 1031 3.3 5 | 22 163 7.4 0 |

| 2004 dal | 14 | 132 432 3.3 4 | 9 83 9.2 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 142 | 2865 10441 3.6 68 | 268 2227 8.3 10 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1994 atl | 4 | 2 -1 -0.5 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |

| 1995 atl | 16 | 39 161 4.1 1 | 4 42 10.5 0 |

| 1996 atl | 16 | 232 1055 4.5 5 | 49 473 9.7 1 |

| 1997 atl | 16 | 290 1002 3.5 7 | 29 284 9.8 3 |

| 1998 atl | 16 | 410 1846 4.5 14 | 27 319 11.8 2 |

| 1999 atl | 2 | 19 59 3.1 0 | 2 34 17.0 0 |

| 2000 atl | 16 | 282 1024 3.6 6 | 42 382 9.1 0 |

| 2001 atl | 3 | 55 190 3.5 1 | 3 111 37.0 1 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 89 | 1329 5336 4.0 34 | 156 1645 10.5 7 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1983 ram | 16 | 390 1808 4.6 18 | 51 404 7.9 2 |

| 1984 ram | 16 | 379 2105 5.6 14 | 21 139 6.6 0 |

| 1985 ram | 14 | 292 1234 4.2 12 | 20 126 6.3 0 |

| 1986 ram | 16 | 404 1821 4.5 11 | 26 205 7.9 0 |

| 1987 ind | 9 | 223 1011 4.5 5 | 13 133 10.2 0 |

| 1987 ram | 3 | 60 277 4.6 1 | 5 38 7.6 0 |

| 1988 ind | 16 | 388 1659 4.3 14 | 36 377 10.5 1 |

| 1989 ind | 15 | 314 1311 4.2 7 | 30 211 7.0 1 |

| 1990 ind | 11 | 166 677 4.1 4 | 18 92 5.1 0 |

| 1991 ind | 10 | 167 536 3.2 2 | 41 269 6.6 1 |

| 1992 rai | 16 | 187 729 3.9 2 | 14 85 6.1 1 |

| 1993 atl | 4 | 26 91 3.5 0 | 6 58 9.7 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 146 | 2996 13259 4.4 90 | 281 2137 7.6 6 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

You can say some of these were a freak accident or LJ doesn't have enough wear and tear on his body yet but when a trend is 3 for 3 that makes me a alittle leary of it happening again.

Anyone you is drafting LJ this year should look up Freud's definition of insanity.

 
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Blackjacks said:
According to Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herman Edwards, veteran RB Michael Bennett will be an important part of the offense this season and should finish with more than 100 carries on the season if he stays healthy. Edwards believes that starting RB Larry Johnson carried the ball too much in 2006 and would like to cut those carries back a little in 2007.
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This Michael Bennett?
 
Blackjacks said:
March 17, 2007, 10:28

Chiefs :: RB

RB Michael Bennett To Carry Ball 100+ Times

KCChiefs.com - [Full Article]

According to Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herman Edwards, veteran RB Michael Bennett will be an important part of the offense this season and should finish with more than 100 carries on the season if he stays healthy. Edwards believes that starting RB Larry Johnson carried the ball too much in 2006 and would like to cut those carries back a little in 2007.

This is what I don't get with some owners. The coaches in SF, KC and Washignton have all came out and said they plan on getting the back up rb more involved to save their lead backs but for some reason Portis is the only one getting put into a RBBC.

LJ is coming off of the most touches in NFL history. History has shown us that 3 out of 3 times so far when a rb gets 400 carries the next year they wear down

Here are the #'s for Eddie George, Jamal Anderson and Eric Dickerson (in that order)

+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1996 hou | 16 | 335 1368 4.1 8 | 23 182 7.9 0 |

| 1997 ten | 16 | 357 1399 3.9 6 | 7 44 6.3 1 |

| 1998 ten | 16 | 348 1294 3.7 5 | 37 310 8.4 1 |

| 1999 ten | 16 | 320 1304 4.1 9 | 47 458 9.7 4 |

| 2000 ten | 16 | 403 1509 3.7 14 | 50 453 9.1 2 |

| 2001 ten | 16 | 315 939 3.0 5 | 37 279 7.5 0 |

| 2002 ten | 16 | 343 1165 3.4 12 | 36 255 7.1 2 |

| 2003 ten | 16 | 312 1031 3.3 5 | 22 163 7.4 0 |

| 2004 dal | 14 | 132 432 3.3 4 | 9 83 9.2 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 142 | 2865 10441 3.6 68 | 268 2227 8.3 10 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1994 atl | 4 | 2 -1 -0.5 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |

| 1995 atl | 16 | 39 161 4.1 1 | 4 42 10.5 0 |

| 1996 atl | 16 | 232 1055 4.5 5 | 49 473 9.7 1 |

| 1997 atl | 16 | 290 1002 3.5 7 | 29 284 9.8 3 |

| 1998 atl | 16 | 410 1846 4.5 14 | 27 319 11.8 2 |

| 1999 atl | 2 | 19 59 3.1 0 | 2 34 17.0 0 |

| 2000 atl | 16 | 282 1024 3.6 6 | 42 382 9.1 0 |

| 2001 atl | 3 | 55 190 3.5 1 | 3 111 37.0 1 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 89 | 1329 5336 4.0 34 | 156 1645 10.5 7 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1983 ram | 16 | 390 1808 4.6 18 | 51 404 7.9 2 |

| 1984 ram | 16 | 379 2105 5.6 14 | 21 139 6.6 0 |

| 1985 ram | 14 | 292 1234 4.2 12 | 20 126 6.3 0 |

| 1986 ram | 16 | 404 1821 4.5 11 | 26 205 7.9 0 |

| 1987 ind | 9 | 223 1011 4.5 5 | 13 133 10.2 0 |

| 1987 ram | 3 | 60 277 4.6 1 | 5 38 7.6 0 |

| 1988 ind | 16 | 388 1659 4.3 14 | 36 377 10.5 1 |

| 1989 ind | 15 | 314 1311 4.2 7 | 30 211 7.0 1 |

| 1990 ind | 11 | 166 677 4.1 4 | 18 92 5.1 0 |

| 1991 ind | 10 | 167 536 3.2 2 | 41 269 6.6 1 |

| 1992 rai | 16 | 187 729 3.9 2 | 14 85 6.1 1 |

| 1993 atl | 4 | 26 91 3.5 0 | 6 58 9.7 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 146 | 2996 13259 4.4 90 | 281 2137 7.6 6 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

You can say some of these were a freak accident or LJ doesn't have enough wear and tear on his body yet but when a trend is 3 for 3 that makes me a alittle leary of it happening again.

Anyone you is drafting LJ this year should look up Freud's definition of insanity.
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I'm not really that nervous, no. still think he's the safest bet on the board after LT and Jackson.

 
Blackjacks said:
March 17, 2007, 10:28Chiefs :: RBRB Michael Bennett To Carry Ball 100+ TimesKCChiefs.com - [Full Article]According to Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herman Edwards, veteran RB Michael Bennett will be an important part of the offense this season and should finish with more than 100 carries on the season if he stays healthy. Edwards believes that starting RB Larry Johnson carried the ball too much in 2006 and would like to cut those carries back a little in 2007.
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I'm a fan of Herm Edwards but didn't he say the exact same thing about Lamont Jordan every off-season, only to give Curtis Martin a huge workload every year? Lamont Jordan never got a single 100 carry season with the Herm coached Jets and Herm had more reason to limit Martins carries than he has to limiit LJ's carries.
 
BoltBacker said:
Blackjacks said:
March 17, 2007, 10:28Chiefs :: RBRB Michael Bennett To Carry Ball 100+ TimesKCChiefs.com - [Full Article]According to Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herman Edwards, veteran RB Michael Bennett will be an important part of the offense this season and should finish with more than 100 carries on the season if he stays healthy. Edwards believes that starting RB Larry Johnson carried the ball too much in 2006 and would like to cut those carries back a little in 2007.
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I'm a fan of Herm Edwards but didn't he say the exact same thing about Lamont Jordan every off-season, only to give Curtis Martin a huge workload every year? Lamont Jordan never got a single 100 carry season with the Herm coached Jets and Herm had more reason to limit Martins carries than he has to limiit LJ's carries.
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Yes, he did say that.... and in one game when the running backs coach pulled Martin for Jordan late in the third quarter with a lead, Herman Edwards physically attacked the coach on the sideline and had to be held back. He later fired the guy. Herman Edwards is a liar. He will attempt to run LJ 400 times again this year. If the man's mouth moves, he's lying.
 
I'm not saying he's lying in this instance, just that it's one thing to pontificate in the spring on what will transpire in the fall, but when he's in a game situation things will be entirely different. He's not the only coach that talks like this.

 
Rovers said:
BoltBacker said:
Blackjacks said:
March 17, 2007, 10:28Chiefs :: RBRB Michael Bennett To Carry Ball 100+ TimesKCChiefs.com - [Full Article]According to Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herman Edwards, veteran RB Michael Bennett will be an important part of the offense this season and should finish with more than 100 carries on the season if he stays healthy. Edwards believes that starting RB Larry Johnson carried the ball too much in 2006 and would like to cut those carries back a little in 2007.
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I'm a fan of Herm Edwards but didn't he say the exact same thing about Lamont Jordan every off-season, only to give Curtis Martin a huge workload every year? Lamont Jordan never got a single 100 carry season with the Herm coached Jets and Herm had more reason to limit Martins carries than he has to limiit LJ's carries.
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Yes, he did say that.... and in one game when the running backs coach pulled Martin for Jordan late in the third quarter with a lead, Herman Edwards physically attacked the coach on the sideline and had to be held back. He later fired the guy. Herman Edwards is a liar. He will attempt to run LJ 400 times again this year. If the man's mouth moves, he's lying.
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LOL.....lets all stand up and give Rovers a round of applause.;standsup;He is the only man on earth to have never lied. That is to be commended.
 
whitem0nkey said:
I just started to get back into fantasy football, after taking 3 months off. from what i understand is that the o-line is worst than last year. Which was the same thing said last year IIRC. He may end up doing a bit worst than last year, but still put up good numbers. no worst than top 6th, but for that to happen they may have to use Gonzalez more as a blocker. so if its true that the O-line is not going to be as good as last year (and they said last year that it got worst. IIRC) i see more Gonzalez suffering more than LJ.
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I can't believe that you really admitted that.LJ at his worst without injury will still end up in the top-5 but his ceiling is sky high.

As mentioned earlier, why is nobody predicting SJax to break down? He had 436 touches last year and 297 the year before, plus he plays on turf while LJ plays on grass.

How about LT? According to your stats and argument on EG/JA/ED, he should have broken down after every season (I know that you meant 400 carries, not touches but c'mon, LT has a ton of touches every year).

2001 SD 16 339 1236 3.6 10 59 367 6.2 0 220 7 85 398 touches

2002 SD 16 372 1683 4.5 14 101 79 489 6.2 1 307 3 155 451 touches

2003 SD 16 313 1645 5.3 13 137 100 725 7.2 4 344 3 202 413 touches

2004 SD 15 339 1335 3.9 17 66 53 441 8.3 1 288 3 130 392 touches

2005 SD 16 339 1462 4.3 18 76 51 370 7.3 2 318 3 174 390 touches

2006 SD 16 348 1815 5.2 28 80 56 508 9.1 3 427 1 266 404 touches

TOT 95 2050 9176 4.5 100 460+ 398 2900 7.3 11 1904 1012

 
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Kevin Ashcraft said:
Rovers said:
BoltBacker said:
Blackjacks said:
March 17, 2007, 10:28Chiefs :: RBRB Michael Bennett To Carry Ball 100+ TimesKCChiefs.com - [Full Article]According to Kansas City Chiefs head coach Herman Edwards, veteran RB Michael Bennett will be an important part of the offense this season and should finish with more than 100 carries on the season if he stays healthy. Edwards believes that starting RB Larry Johnson carried the ball too much in 2006 and would like to cut those carries back a little in 2007.
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I'm a fan of Herm Edwards but didn't he say the exact same thing about Lamont Jordan every off-season, only to give Curtis Martin a huge workload every year? Lamont Jordan never got a single 100 carry season with the Herm coached Jets and Herm had more reason to limit Martins carries than he has to limiit LJ's carries.
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Yes, he did say that.... and in one game when the running backs coach pulled Martin for Jordan late in the third quarter with a lead, Herman Edwards physically attacked the coach on the sideline and had to be held back. He later fired the guy. Herman Edwards is a liar. He will attempt to run LJ 400 times again this year. If the man's mouth moves, he's lying.
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LOL.....lets all stand up and give Rovers a round of applause.;standsup;He is the only man on earth to have never lied. That is to be commended.
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Not quite, but I also don't run around claiming to be a saint the way Hermie does. I can go through the history of how many times Edwards blatantly, premeditatedly lied, but that's been done ad nauseum already. A comparison for you.... a fellow I know was selling a 15 year old work van. It was good enough to pass inspection, had some rust, but not bad. He told me this loooong story about how honest he was with the buyer. He kept talking about how honest he was, and he told the buyer this many times over. When the buyer asked if it leaked oil, he said "not as far as I know." He was fulla baloney. It had an oil leak, and his mechaic was putting 10W-50 in t to stop it from leaking. When I asked him why he lied to the buyer, he said "I was as honest as my honesty would take me." When people start ranting about how honest they are.... it usually means they are lying. That in a nutshell is how Herm Edwards thinks.... and acts. For $1500 bucks on a 15 year old van, admitting there is an oil leak shouldn't be a problem. Just tell the guy you're putting 10W-50 in it, so he doesn't blow the dern thing up. Herm Edwards would have handled this the same way this guy I know did.... lie when it's not only unethical, but unecessary as well. I'm human, and humans lie. Some people take it to the next level.... and that is Herman Edwards. And, there really wasn't any need to call my personal integrity into question here. You want to defend Edwards, fine, he's your HC. Denial is the worst form of lying.... lying to yourself. I can only surmise that your response is indicative of the fact that you know Edwards lacks integrity. Attacking mine doesn't change that fact. Grow up and keep the personal attacks for your bestest friends. You don't know me well enough to question my ethics and intergrity. :goodposting:
 
Dynasty league i offered W Parker and M Turner for LJ and i did nt come even close of getting him .

So some thinks he still is a top 3 . Cause Parker will again score 10 more TDs and Turner will be a stud next season and he refused it in a snap.

 
betterthanyou said:
whitem0nkey said:
I just started to get back into fantasy football, after taking 3 months off. from what i understand is that the o-line is worst than last year. Which was the same thing said last year IIRC. He may end up doing a bit worst than last year, but still put up good numbers. no worst than top 6th, but for that to happen they may have to use Gonzalez more as a blocker. so if its true that the O-line is not going to be as good as last year (and they said last year that it got worst. IIRC) i see more Gonzalez suffering more than LJ.
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I can't believe that you really admitted that.LJ at his worst without injury will still end up in the top-5 but his ceiling is sky high.

As mentioned earlier, why is nobody predicting SJax to break down? He had 436 touches last year and 297 the year before, plus he plays on turf while LJ plays on grass.

How about LT? According to your stats and argument on EG/JA/ED, he should have broken down after every season (I know that you meant 400 carries, not touches but c'mon, LT has a ton of touches every year).

2001 SD 16 339 1236 3.6 10 59 367 6.2 0 220 7 85 398 touches

2002 SD 16 372 1683 4.5 14 101 79 489 6.2 1 307 3 155 451 touches

2003 SD 16 313 1645 5.3 13 137 100 725 7.2 4 344 3 202 413 touches

2004 SD 15 339 1335 3.9 17 66 53 441 8.3 1 288 3 130 392 touches

2005 SD 16 339 1462 4.3 18 76 51 370 7.3 2 318 3 174 390 touches

2006 SD 16 348 1815 5.2 28 80 56 508 9.1 3 427 1 266 404 touches

TOT 95 2050 9176 4.5 100 460+ 398 2900 7.3 11 1904 1012
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I can appreciare your post and say yes LT has had a lot of touches in the last 6 years and yes S. Jackson had alot last year but last year Larry Johnson still had 20 more touches than S-Jax did (if we are counting catches and 70 more touches the year before). LT's carries are been controlled. In the past he's never gotten over 350 which seems like a nice benchmark for rb's. Also LJ is alot more of a physical back than the other 2 (I know how big Jackson is but I'm a rams homer and trust me LJ is much more physical) and those hits will start to wear him down. I'm never a fan of projecting an injury cause it's silly but when stars align funning things can happen. Also, LT lost his left side of his line, his starting qb and is 2 years out of the best offensive coordinator in the NFL.

The magic # is 400 carries here guys, not 390 or 421 touches, it is 400 carries.

BEWARE

 
There's some cause for concern, but I see a lot of people prematurely discounting LJ.

I agree that a dropoff can be expected, but largely due to an expectedly less potent offense than what we've seen in KC in recent years. And if the defense doesn't hold up, the need to throw the ball more could hurt LJ's production.

That said, he's still going to get a TON of carries in Herm's offense, and there aren't too many RBs out there in line for as sizable of a role.

Overall, he carries more risk than LT, S-Jax and Gore, but I don't think there's anyone else I'd take over him right now.

 
zamboni said:
There's some cause for concern, but I see a lot of people prematurely discounting LJ.

I agree that a dropoff can be expected, but largely due to an expectedly less potent offense than what we've seen in KC in recent years. And if the defense doesn't hold up, the need to throw the ball more could hurt LJ's production.

That said, he's still going to get a TON of carries in Herm's offense, and there aren't too many RBs out there in line for as sizable of a role.

Overall, he carries more risk than LT, S-Jax and Gore, but I don't think there's anyone else I'd take over him right now.
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your right there isn't one person I'd take of Johnson right now there is about 5Westbrook

Henry

McGahee

Portis

FWP

 
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Blackjacks said:
zamboni said:
There's some cause for concern, but I see a lot of people prematurely discounting LJ.

I agree that a dropoff can be expected, but largely due to an expectedly less potent offense than what we've seen in KC in recent years. And if the defense doesn't hold up, the need to throw the ball more could hurt LJ's production.

That said, he's still going to get a TON of carries in Herm's offense, and there aren't too many RBs out there in line for as sizable of a role.

Overall, he carries more risk than LT, S-Jax and Gore, but I don't think there's anyone else I'd take over him right now.
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your right there isn't one person I'd take of Johnson right now there is about 5Westbrook

Henry

McGahee

Portis

FWP
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To each his own, but I don't think any of those guys are going to sniff the end zone as much as LJ will.
 
LJ a holdout?

The Chiefs are bracing for a training-camp holdout by running back Larry Johnson. Johnson, who has rushed for 3,539 yards and 37 touchdowns the last two seasons, has 3 years left on the deal he signed as a rookie in 2003. He is scheduled to make $1.85 million this year and $967,000 next year. The Chiefs have been talking to Johnson's agent about a new deal, but the two sides still are far apart. A club source put the odds of Johnson holding out this summer at 50-50. Johnson, who owns a home in New York with rapper Jay-Z, showed up in Kansas City Sunday for the first time since the team began its voluntary workouts last month and has worked out with his teammates the last 2 days. He has indicated that he will attend the team's postdraft minicamp in 2 weeks.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles..._S__Brown_.html
 
Blackjacks said:
zamboni said:
There's some cause for concern, but I see a lot of people prematurely discounting LJ.

I agree that a dropoff can be expected, but largely due to an expectedly less potent offense than what we've seen in KC in recent years. And if the defense doesn't hold up, the need to throw the ball more could hurt LJ's production.

That said, he's still going to get a TON of carries in Herm's offense, and there aren't too many RBs out there in line for as sizable of a role.

Overall, he carries more risk than LT, S-Jax and Gore, but I don't think there's anyone else I'd take over him right now.
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your right there isn't one person I'd take of Johnson right now there is about 5Westbrook

Henry

McGahee

Portis

FWP
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So even though LJ hasn't missed a game you're worried about him getting injured and therefore missing games but you're ok with Westbrook who always injured? Alrighty then. That makes perfect sense. And let's talk about Henry who has been injured, Portis injured, McGahee has done little and will not be on a great offense and doesn't catch passes. FWP is fine but he's not in LJ's league.

I'm just saying that you are totally contradicting yourself.

 
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Blackjacks said:
betterthanyou said:
whitem0nkey said:
I just started to get back into fantasy football, after taking 3 months off. from what i understand is that the o-line is worst than last year. Which was the same thing said last year IIRC. He may end up doing a bit worst than last year, but still put up good numbers. no worst than top 6th, but for that to happen they may have to use Gonzalez more as a blocker. so if its true that the O-line is not going to be as good as last year (and they said last year that it got worst. IIRC) i see more Gonzalez suffering more than LJ.
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I can't believe that you really admitted that.LJ at his worst without injury will still end up in the top-5 but his ceiling is sky high.

As mentioned earlier, why is nobody predicting SJax to break down? He had 436 touches last year and 297 the year before, plus he plays on turf while LJ plays on grass.

How about LT? According to your stats and argument on EG/JA/ED, he should have broken down after every season (I know that you meant 400 carries, not touches but c'mon, LT has a ton of touches every year).

2001 SD 16 339 1236 3.6 10 59 367 6.2 0 220 7 85 398 touches

2002 SD 16 372 1683 4.5 14 101 79 489 6.2 1 307 3 155 451 touches

2003 SD 16 313 1645 5.3 13 137 100 725 7.2 4 344 3 202 413 touches

2004 SD 15 339 1335 3.9 17 66 53 441 8.3 1 288 3 130 392 touches

2005 SD 16 339 1462 4.3 18 76 51 370 7.3 2 318 3 174 390 touches

2006 SD 16 348 1815 5.2 28 80 56 508 9.1 3 427 1 266 404 touches

TOT 95 2050 9176 4.5 100 460+ 398 2900 7.3 11 1904 1012
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I can appreciare your post and say yes LT has had a lot of touches in the last 6 years and yes S. Jackson had alot last year but last year Larry Johnson still had 20 more touches than S-Jax did (if we are counting catches and 70 more touches the year before). LT's carries are been controlled. In the past he's never gotten over 350 which seems like a nice benchmark for rb's. Also LJ is alot more of a physical back than the other 2 (I know how big Jackson is but I'm a rams homer and trust me LJ is much more physical) and those hits will start to wear him down. I'm never a fan of projecting an injury cause it's silly but when stars align funning things can happen. Also, LT lost his left side of his line, his starting qb and is 2 years out of the best offensive coordinator in the NFL.

The magic # is 400 carries here guys, not 390 or 421 touches, it is 400 carries.

BEWARE
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How did you arrive at this magic number? Your assumption flys in the face of reality based on what's happened the last few years.BEWARE when amking assumptions and applying them generically to all RB's to try and make a point. What's good or bad for 1 guy may not be good or bad for another.

A few years ago most of us would have agreed with this argument regarding too many touches. But the definition of what is too many carries has changed. LT set the benchmark higher. Some were concerned when he had all those touches but he just keeps getting them and producing. There is nothing to cause us to think LJ can't handle the load. We have no real evidence to support your conclusion. In fact, if anything, LJ has proven, like LT, that he can handle the load.

 
JaxBill said:
LJ a holdout?

The Chiefs are bracing for a training-camp holdout by running back Larry Johnson. Johnson, who has rushed for 3,539 yards and 37 touchdowns the last two seasons, has 3 years left on the deal he signed as a rookie in 2003. He is scheduled to make $1.85 million this year and $967,000 next year. The Chiefs have been talking to Johnson's agent about a new deal, but the two sides still are far apart. A club source put the odds of Johnson holding out this summer at 50-50. Johnson, who owns a home in New York with rapper Jay-Z, showed up in Kansas City Sunday for the first time since the team began its voluntary workouts last month and has worked out with his teammates the last 2 days. He has indicated that he will attend the team's postdraft minicamp in 2 weeks.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles..._S__Brown_.html
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:fishing: more time to rest after 400+ carry season.
 
A source close to the situation puts the odds of Larry Johnson staging a training camp holdout at 50-50.

However, the odds of him getting what he's asking for (eight years, $85 million) are likely far less than 50-50. So far L.J. has been working out and says he'll be at the Chiefs' post-draft minicamp in two weeks.

 
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