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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I can. SD has an entire new coaching staff and the Colts lost Harper, David, June, Morris, and Rhodes. While the defense played better in the post-season, I never thought the Colts D was all that great before they lost some key guys . . .
Mitchell0618
Footballguy
I can definitely rank them abouve SD
I see them equal if not better than Indy. It was the age of thier LB's and def backs, and the lack of great WR's that spelled the defeat. I think they improved all these areas, especially if Moss turns out to be an asset.
I see them equal if not better than Indy. It was the age of thier LB's and def backs, and the lack of great WR's that spelled the defeat. I think they improved all these areas, especially if Moss turns out to be an asset.
Reaper
Footballguy
I hope you're right....I've got it?New England..IndianapolisSan DeigoCincinnatiDenver.BaltimoreThe Patriots look like the team everyone will love to talk about, but there are way too many new guys.
It's going to take some time for them to gel. I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up missing the playoffs.
San Diego - Rivers will be more comfortable and Tomlinson won't have to do so much.
Indy - Still ??'s about their D
Cincinnatti - Palmer's starting the season healthy, but ??'s at LB
New England - should be very good but see above
New York Jets - will be right there with New England for the Div
Denver - Henry will allow Cutler to do his thing
Jacksonville - don't count them out
Baltimore, Pittsburgh - Balt regresses, Pittsburgh improves
Wild Card - Buffalo - I think they'll be good. Maybe a ceiling of 9-7, but it may be enough to be in the WC hunt still at the start of week 17
It's going to take some time for them to gel. I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up missing the playoffs.
San Diego - Rivers will be more comfortable and Tomlinson won't have to do so much.
Indy - Still ??'s about their D
Cincinnatti - Palmer's starting the season healthy, but ??'s at LB
New England - should be very good but see above
New York Jets - will be right there with New England for the Div
Denver - Henry will allow Cutler to do his thing
Jacksonville - don't count them out
Baltimore, Pittsburgh - Balt regresses, Pittsburgh improves
Wild Card - Buffalo - I think they'll be good. Maybe a ceiling of 9-7, but it may be enough to be in the WC hunt still at the start of week 17
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Yes but you hate the Patriots with the passion of 1,000 suns. I rank
atriotsChargersColtsBroncosBengalsRavensJetsThe Jets have now had two GREAT drafts in a row, IMO, but I think they're 1 year away from stepping into the elite of the AFC.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Okay, I know I'm a homer or anything, but I think this is pretty absurd. They had a lot of new guys last year too, but the difference is most of them were exponentially less talented than the new guys this year.Barring an injury to Tom Brady, I can't see how the Patriots miss the playoffs.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Teams that will make the playoffs and ranked in order:
NE
Indy
SD
Cincy
Pitt
Denver
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Teams on the cusp:
Jax
Balt
NYJ
NE
Indy
SD
Cincy
Pitt
Denver
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Teams on the cusp:
Jax
Balt
NYJ
radballs
Footballguy
True, but I can't put them any lower than 3rd right now. Slightly above the Raiders.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Let's start here . . .They went 12-4 last year. Given the guys they've added, what do you think there record will be in 07?at NY Jets 1:00 pm San Diego 8:15 pm Buffalo 1:00 pm at Cincinnati 8:30 pm Cleveland 1:00 pm at Dallas 4:15 pm at Miami 1:00 pm Washington 4:15 pm at Indianapolis 4:15 pm bye at Buffalo 1:00 pm Philadelphia 8:15 pm at Baltimore 8:30 pm Pittsburgh 1:00 pm NY Jets 1:00 pm Miami 1:00 pm at NY Giants 8:15 pm
PatsFanCT
Footballguy
So the Patriots, who finished the season 12-4 and were a couple of bad plays away from the Super Bowl, who far and away improved their team the most in the off-season, not only will miss the playoffs, but finish third in their division? Just clarifying.
Tau837
Footballguy
From Michael Turner thread:
I definitely think New England and San Diego are in a tier above the rest.
radballs
Footballguy
Looks like 10-6 to me.Let's start here . . .They went 12-4 last year. Given the guys they've added, what do you think there record will be in 07?at NY Jets 1:00 pm LossSan Diego 8:15 pm LossBuffalo 1:00 pm Winat Cincinnati 8:30 pm LossCleveland 1:00 pm Winat Dallas 4:15 pm Lossat Miami 1:00 pm WinWashington 4:15 pm Winat Indianapolis 4:15 pm Lossbye at Buffalo 1:00 pm WinPhiladelphia 8:15 pm Winat Baltimore 8:30 pm LossPittsburgh 1:00 pm WinNY Jets 1:00 pm WinMiami 1:00 pm Winat NY Giants 8:15 pm WinTrue, but I can't put them any lower than 3rd right now. Slightly above the Raiders.
hacman
Footballguy
Chargers- most talented team and their talent is already integrated
Patriots - possible they put it together again, but this has been an unPatriotic offseason for them. Feels like a rush job for Belichek.
Bengals
Ravens
Jets
Broncos
Colts- don't have the defense to put it all together again
Patriots - possible they put it together again, but this has been an unPatriotic offseason for them. Feels like a rush job for Belichek.
Bengals
Ravens
Jets
Broncos
Colts- don't have the defense to put it all together again
Well, anything can happen but I don't think so.At the most 2 teams from the East will make the playoffs. I was just suggesting that if Losman can pick up where he left off last year it would be possible for them to sneak in at 9-7. 9-7 is their ceiling though. They'd have to have a lot of things go their way which is unlikely.Also, I don't think NE will not win their division. The expectations are there and with so many new players plus the ?'s they bring it's not a given that they for sure will be all that they are expected to be. These things happen every year. It wouldn't surprise me is all. I'd be disappointed for sure as Brady is my QB in my dynasty league.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I'm not sure I understand why people are downgrading Baltimore. The biggest deficiencies on that team last year (especially considering what they wanted to do) were on the offensive line and at running back. They got the best guard in the draft, the best running back in free agency, and another guard in the third. The defense was phenomenal last year, and while they lost Thomas, adding McGahee and a couple guards on offense should keep them much fresher. And for those saying McNair is done, so what, he had a bunch of picks in the playoffs. So did Manning and Brady. Every QB gets intercepted more when they play playoff caliber defenses. McNair will be in year two in the offense and should be much more comfortable, Clayton was developing very well towards the end of the year, and McGahee will be seeing seven and eight man fronts instead of the eight and nine man fronts he saw in Buffalo.
I think they're a legitimate Superbowl contender, although I'd still put them as the fourth best team in the AFC, and a team that should win their division now that Cinci lost a key player on their offensive line.
I think they're a legitimate Superbowl contender, although I'd still put them as the fourth best team in the AFC, and a team that should win their division now that Cinci lost a key player on their offensive line.
bostonfred
Footballguy
@ Dallas loss? Is it because of the emotional letdown from their win over Cleveland, or because they'll be petrified of playing @Ted Ginn the following week?Looks like 10-6 to me.Let's start here . . .They went 12-4 last year. Given the guys they've added, what do you think there record will be in 07?at NY Jets 1:00 pm LossSan Diego 8:15 pm LossBuffalo 1:00 pm Winat Cincinnati 8:30 pm LossCleveland 1:00 pm Winat Dallas 4:15 pm Lossat Miami 1:00 pm WinWashington 4:15 pm Winat Indianapolis 4:15 pm Lossbye at Buffalo 1:00 pm WinPhiladelphia 8:15 pm Winat Baltimore 8:30 pm LossPittsburgh 1:00 pm WinNY Jets 1:00 pm WinMiami 1:00 pm Winat NY Giants 8:15 pm WinTrue, but I can't put them any lower than 3rd right now. Slightly above the Raiders.
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Chargers
Colts
Patriots
Bengals
Ravens
Jaguars
Broncos
Jets
Browns
Titans
Bills
Chiefs
Dolphins
Texans
Raiders
Steelers
Colts
Patriots
Bengals
Ravens
Jaguars
Broncos
Jets
Browns
Titans
Bills
Chiefs
Dolphins
Texans
Raiders
Steelers
radballs
Footballguy
I'm sure I missed on a couple of those 10 wins as well.
Walter Slovotsky
Footballguy
San Diego - Arguably the most talented team in the league. Addressed their only real weakness at safety. Linebackers and line depth are the only question marks.
Indy - Defense is going to be a question mark, but they still have some top notch talent on both sides of the ball.
NE - Appear to have upgraded at many positions. But a lot of changes for conference finalists. And changing game plans after the success with their previous formula makes you wonder.
Baltimore - The defense continues to get older, and they lost a key player. But a year in the system will mean a more productive McNair, and Willis is an upgrade over the aging Lewis.
Cincy - A healthy Palmer should keep Cincy in the elite teams. Defense continues to hold them back.
Denver - Not sold on Cutler. Defense is great outside, very weak up the middle.
Indy - Defense is going to be a question mark, but they still have some top notch talent on both sides of the ball.
NE - Appear to have upgraded at many positions. But a lot of changes for conference finalists. And changing game plans after the success with their previous formula makes you wonder.
Baltimore - The defense continues to get older, and they lost a key player. But a year in the system will mean a more productive McNair, and Willis is an upgrade over the aging Lewis.
Cincy - A healthy Palmer should keep Cincy in the elite teams. Defense continues to hold them back.
Denver - Not sold on Cutler. Defense is great outside, very weak up the middle.
bostonfred
Footballguy
I have a feeling Jacksonville misses the playoffs this year. I still don't think they can take the division from Indy, and they won't be able to feed off the weaklings of the division anymore.
The Jets have taken over for Jacksonville as the #2 team in a two team division. Baltimore and Cincinatti sit atop the North, New England and New York atop the East, San Diego and Denver atop the West, but Indy and Jacksonville have to deal with a much improved Houston team and a Tennessee team that seemed to be going in the right direction until this offseason.
Pittsburgh, Houston and Tennessee all have the ability to make a playoff spot, but would need things to work out really, really well. I will be surprised when/if one of Oakland, Kansas City, Cleveland, Buffalo, or Miami contends for a playoff spot, but it seems like there's always a surprise team.
The Jets have taken over for Jacksonville as the #2 team in a two team division. Baltimore and Cincinatti sit atop the North, New England and New York atop the East, San Diego and Denver atop the West, but Indy and Jacksonville have to deal with a much improved Houston team and a Tennessee team that seemed to be going in the right direction until this offseason.
Pittsburgh, Houston and Tennessee all have the ability to make a playoff spot, but would need things to work out really, really well. I will be surprised when/if one of Oakland, Kansas City, Cleveland, Buffalo, or Miami contends for a playoff spot, but it seems like there's always a surprise team.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Browns Rule!
Footballguy
It will be:
Cleveland
San Diego
Indy
New England
Wild Cards:
Cincinnati
Jacksonville
Cleveland
San Diego
Indy
New England
Wild Cards:
Cincinnati
Jacksonville
switz
Footballguy
Didn't they finish third in thier division last year?Indy has improved offensively. Yes their defense is scary, but they don't really face any offenses that can keep up.San Diego hasn't lost anything, I don't see the coaching staff being a negative.Why do we assume the additions to NE will gel - you're talking about two fragile (emotionally) WRs, and they lost Dillon.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
switz
Footballguy
Why not? I can see them possibly beating SD and Baltimore, but just as much as I can see SD and Baltimore beating them. NYJ will split with them. Dallas I think will beat them. Cinci too. I would add in a loss to Buffalo as well, probably in Buffalo. So that's 8 games they could realistically lose. Even if they don't lose them all, do you see better than 12-4????
switz
Footballguy
Buffalo contended for a playoff spot last year.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Indy
Patriots
Chargers
Jets
Baltimore
Pittsburgh-Cincinnatti-Denver
Kansas City-Jacksonville-Tennessee
Patriots
Chargers
Jets
Baltimore
Pittsburgh-Cincinnatti-Denver
Kansas City-Jacksonville-Tennessee
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
This point is entirely overrated. Norv Turner was brought in primarily because he is familiar with the offense, the personnel, and the philosophy. Ted Cotrell was hired because he will run the same defense. Clarence Shelmon was promoted from within the team. Even though there are new names at all three spots, there is also a lot of consistency.And don't forget, the Chargers were only two plays on the road against two playoff teams from going undefeated. Even with all the good players the Patriots added, there are still more 2006 Pro-Bowlers on the Chargers' squad.David Yudkin said:
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The 06 Chargers had 8 Pro Bowlers. The 2003 Pats had 3. So? I'm not arguing that the Chargers aren't a good team. But I do think that completely swapping out the coaching staff is not a minor thing (especially since people are lowering expecations for the Pats with a half dozen new faces in the fold as players in New England).Turner has not exactly had a great coaching track record to date. This team is much better than the others he's coached, but he's won one post-season games in 9 years as a head coach. (Sadly, that's one more than Schottenheimer had in the past 11 years.)
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I forgot he resigned. Didin't they lose someone else, another DB this offseason? Did Doss move on (that that he was a difference maker)?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I love it. Everyone says the Patriots have no chance last season harping on their horrible WR group - they then go out and probably upgrade their WR unit more than any other position on any other team in the NFL, and now the Patriots are being downgraded because of "?"'s at the WR position.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
I must have missed that (or blocked it out of my mind as being completely moronic). Post #?
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
The secondary is improved from last year's.Graham was an excellent run blocker and an inconsistent receiver - he will be missed, but Kyle Brady is a more than adequate run blocker himself. Graham and Dillon's loss pales in comparison to the additions the Patriots have made, including arguable the best defensive player on the market as well as three WR's who are all upgrades over the best WR on this team last season. I don't think the Patriots are going 16-0 this season, but the people here talking like the Patriots did not improve this season are either crazy or Radballs.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Division Winners (ranked in order of strength)
NE
Indy
SD
Baltimore
Wild Cards
Pittsburgh
Denve
NE
Indy
SD
Baltimore
Wild Cards
Pittsburgh
Denve
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Below are some quotes that are either directly or indirectly downgrading the Patriot's overall strength because of the WR's they've added and the baggage that comes with them.
switz said:
BLOX said:
Look - I'm not saying that there's not a chance Moss doesn't flip out or Stallworth doesn't pully a hammy. But to think that, even with the risk of these things happening, that the Patriots have no drastically upgraded their WR situation with Moss/Stallworth/Welker is foolish.hacman said:
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There is no doubt that they have improved, but they still have questions. I don't think their secondary has really improved (I'm not convinced Meriweather will start for one thing), plus Maroney had injury troubles and the depth behind him is not what it was (S Morris and K Faulk).But to be fair, IMO they have less questions then any other team, but questions nonetheless. Besides, SB's aren't won in April/May.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Not to single you out, but how is it that the Pats defense that:- Only allowed a team record low 237 points- Added Adelius Thomas and Brandon Meriweather- Should have Rodney Harrison, Randall Gay, Chad Scott, and Eugene Wilson back from injuriesThat worse off than last year while one of the other contenders (IND) . . .- Allowed 360 points- Lost their a Pro Bowl CB, a Pro Bowl LB, and their other starting CB- Whose have signed essentially no defensive free agents- Who added several rookies drafted in Rounds 3-5- Down the road would have to face a Pats offense with A LOT more firepowerI do agree that the Pats like all teams have a few question marks, but I can't see how people don't see them as in a much better place than they were starting out last season.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
You know the Patriots are back on top (in people's minds) when all guys can do is put them down. Most talked about team at FBG by far. That being said...
Patriots: 12-4
Colts: 12-4
Chargers: 11-5
Bengals: 10-6
Jets: - 10-6 WC
Broncos: - 10-6 WC
Ravens
Jaguars
Titans
Steelers
Bills
Chiefs
Browns
Dolphins
Texans
Raiders
In my eyes it's a repeat of last year's AFC Championship. Except this time, it's back at our house.
Flame away!
Patriots: 12-4
Colts: 12-4
Chargers: 11-5
Bengals: 10-6
Jets: - 10-6 WC
Broncos: - 10-6 WC
Ravens
Jaguars
Titans
Steelers
Bills
Chiefs
Browns
Dolphins
Texans
Raiders
In my eyes it's a repeat of last year's AFC Championship. Except this time, it's back at our house.
Flame away!
djcolts
Footballguy
Neither Harper nor David has ever made a Pro Bowl.
switz
Footballguy
I'm not saying they didn't upgrade. Heck, before the Moss trade I had a thread about how much they upgraded with Welker and Stallwortth that got locked.My point is - we can't assume that the upgrade automatically put them over other teams that were ahead of them last year and have also upgraded in Indy and SD.
jonessed
Footballguy
Oh God yes, NE has been absolutely trashed in this thread. Everyone is putting them down. Someone even suggested that they might not win the Super Bowl *gasp*. No respect, no respect at all.Chargers, Indy, and NE are the top teams. Baltimore has taken a step back in my eyes or I would have them in there as well. As a playoff dark horse I would pick Pitt or Miami
switz
Footballguy
That's the thing with NE fans... doesn't matter what's said - everyone disrespects NE.And criticize their WRs over the years, they defend them. Then criticize Brady - the excuse is his WRs were bad. It's just the average NE fan. Ignore it.
The Pats will be good this year, best in the division? Not until they beat the teams ahead of them.
jurb26
Footballguy
Who exactly do they need to beat in their division that is ahead of them?
